[03:41] <daftykins> Is this guy a known troublemaker?  -!- snapsdat [~snapsdat@172.56.3.136]
[03:41] <OerHeks> Hi all
[03:41] <bazhang> hi
[03:41] <daftykins> me and OerHeks just got some lovely PM abuse from this one
[03:42] <bazhang> will investigate, thanks!
[03:42] <OerHeks> daftykins and me got naste PM's
[03:43] <bazhang> they seemed to have quit
[03:44] <daftykins> right, so is it a recorded IP?
[03:45] <bazhang> in my internal db, yes
[03:46] <bazhang> bolo snapsdat
[04:03] <daftykins> hmm bolo rings a bell from yesterday perhaps
[04:03] <daftykins> ah well, will continue to enjoy those that appreciate our efforts
[04:04] <daftykins> cya \o
[07:07] <akiva-thinkpad> k1l, can I get my ban lifted from #ubuntu? I actually need support for installing ubuntu on this fellows laptop.
[07:08] <akiva-thinkpad> you can put the ban back on afterwards
[08:42] <retro_laptop> There's someone with the nickname Arse_ in #ubuntu
[08:42] <retro_laptop> I find that offensive
[08:45] <Flannel> retro_laptop: Thanks for the heads up.
[08:45] <retro_laptop> Okay
[12:13] <ikonia> hello akiva-thinkpad
[12:13] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, o/
[12:13] <ikonia> welcome to #ubuntu-ops, how can we help you ?
[12:14] <akiva-thinkpad> I wanted a unban from #ubuntu. The reason for the ban is something that will be brought forth towards the irc council, as it was not blatantly against the rules and needs to be ironed out.
[12:15] <ikonia> whats the issue ?
[12:15] <ikonia> I'm happy to take a look
[12:15] <ikonia> why where you banned and when ?
[12:15] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, in short, I advertised twice, once in november, and once two weeks ago, that the Ubuntu Q&A session was happening in approx 1 hour, and that people who are interested should go to #ubuntu-on-air
[12:15] <akiva-thinkpad> etc
[12:15] <akiva-thinkpad> I posted it just once.
[12:16] <ikonia> ok ?
[12:16] <ikonia> let me take a look
[12:16] <ikonia> have you spoken to anyone about this ?
[12:16] <akiva-thinkpad> I was banned for that as that was considered as spam.
[12:16] <ikonia> right, so it's normally pretty easy, please don't spam, and you get the ban removed
[12:16] <ikonia> have you spoken to anyone about this ?
[12:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, the individual who banned me, we disagreed respectfully as to what constituted as spam.
[12:16] <ikonia> it is spam
[12:17] <ikonia> but not a problem to resolve
[12:17] <akiva-thinkpad> I think it needs to be reclassified, so I agree it is spam under the definition, but I'll be bringing it forth to the ubuntu irc council to ask for an exception, due to the importance of ubuntu community Q&A
[12:18] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, until I get a decision from that third party, I will follow the rules and not spam.
[12:18] <ikonia> 3rd party ??
[12:18] <ikonia> sorry no
[12:18] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, 3rd party as in the irc council.
[12:18] <ikonia> it's #ubuntu it's a support channel
[12:19] <ikonia> blindly posting stuff like that isn't welcome, there are offtopic and targeted channels that may welcome it
[12:19] <ikonia> but #ubuntu, no
[12:19] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, Ive already agreed with the mod who banned me to do this.
[12:19] <ikonia> if you're happy not posting spam, and understand it's not allowed I'll be happy to remove the ban on you
[12:20] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, I'm happy to follow the rules. Alah the ubuntu COC; when disputes rise, you let the third party mediate and make a decision.
[12:20] <ikonia> mediate whaat ?
[12:20] <akiva-thinkpad> I will submit to whatever the ruling is now, and to whatever the ruling will be.
[12:20] <ikonia> I've just said, don't spam and I'll remove the ban
[12:21] <ikonia> am I missing something ?
[12:21] <ikonia> don't spam = ban gone, no problem
[12:22] <ikonia> acceptable ?
[12:22] <akiva-thinkpad> You arent missing anything. You will get no issue from me. I will plan to go before the council, and will always follow the rules.
[12:22] <Myrtti> if you want to make things more difficult and wait longer, that works as well, but if you agree to not do it again and you understand the reasoning behind the ban, then ikonia can and is willing to lift the ban.
[12:22] <Myrtti> there's no need for the council to get involved if the issue is resolved right now
[12:23] <ikonia> this is what I don't understand
[12:23] <ikonia> what has the council got to do with this ?? and why do you need to go before them ?? I'm offering to remove the ban if you don't spam more non-ubuntu support discussion
[12:24] <akiva-thinkpad> The council is just commentary to this. The rules of IRC are allowed to change, I am submitting a proposal; it will either pass, or not pass.
[12:25] <ikonia> what rules ?
[12:25] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, what constitutes as spam.
[12:25] <ikonia> rules that allow you to post unsolicited links ?
[12:26] <ikonia> fine, submit your request to them as long as your happy not posting unsoliciated links/information in the support channel, I'll remove the ban
[12:26] <Myrtti> akiva-thinkpad: there's so much ubuntu related stuff in the universe that if everything would be ok to be posted on a support channel, the whole channel would be rendered useless
[12:26] <akiva-thinkpad> Yep; I agree to follow the rules. You guys do a good job doing what you are doing, and I will heed to your request.
[12:27] <ikonia> perfect
[12:27] <akiva-thinkpad> Myrtti, Yes; that is a draw back.
[12:27] <ikonia> you where banned because you refused to not do it in future
[12:27] <ikonia> FYI: you where not banned for the actual spam
[12:27] <ikonia> just removing the ban for you now
[12:27] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, actually yes you are right; at that time i was being a bit cheeky, and immature.
[12:27] <ikonia> right
[12:27] <ikonia> so just keep it in context
[12:28] <ikonia> rather than telling me the ban was for posting one link
[12:28] <ikonia> no prolem though, you've agreed to stop
[12:28] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, for that I am sorry.
[12:28] <ikonia> it wasn't it was because your attitude and you refused to stop
[12:28] <ikonia> so the ban is removed
[12:28] <akiva-thinkpad> That is fair to say. I conflate the two, and that was an error.
[12:30] <ikonia> you're welcome to /part this channel and join #ubuntu n ow
[12:30] <ikonia> hopefully problem solvd
[12:30] <ikonia> solved
[12:31] <akiva-thinkpad> Myrtti, to your question; I think an exception could be made for #ubuntu-on-air community Q&A, due to that it is an official canonical event, and that it is a support channel of sorts, its just the questions are more broader. Obviously my intention is to help grow the ubuntu community.
[12:32] <ikonia> I don't think an exception should be made
[12:32] <akiva-thinkpad> Myrtti, Often what comes of this, is that gaining more people into that community, translates into people coming involved in development.
[12:32] <ikonia> and will raise that view when you raise your request
[12:32] <ikonia> so I suggest you raise your request
[12:32] <ikonia>  /part this channel and join #ubuntu as your ban is removed
[12:32] <akiva-thinkpad> ikonia, okay sure. I'm sorry for any trouble I caused you. Thanks for volunteering.
[12:33] <ikonia> not a problem
[12:33] <ikonia> no trouble
[12:33] <ikonia> 5 minutes out of a day is not a problem at all
[13:00] <ikonia> @btlogin
 why i am banned on ubuntu?
[22:22] <k1l_> ban 62734
[22:23] <k1l_> seems like his server ip was an issue back then