[00:45] hi, I have an Ubuntu Touch Nexus 4 latest updates (devel channel) - how do I get my Google contacts to sync to the phone? I have tried this, but to no avail: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360554/how-do-i-sync-google-contacts [00:52] maclesea: how many contacts do you have? [00:52] 150+ [00:53] I'm a very popular person ;-) [00:53] that may be part of the problem [00:54] i have a lot too and i'm having the same problem [00:54] with -devel-proposed [00:54] have you tried the adb solution? [00:55] yes - it said it could not connect to Gnome keyring...I'll need to run through it again to get you the exact error [00:56] harumph [00:56] i have "no such datastore" [00:56] I had to guess my way through some of it...the instructions are out of date [00:56] did you try adding --keyring=no? [00:57] in the command where you enter "Google_Contacts" I switched that to "Google" [00:58] that got me past the "no such datastore" issue [01:01] bah wow this isn't working for me either [01:05] yeah, it's kinda lame :-\ it's set up to sync out of the box...it just doesn't do it... I wonder if the official Ubuntu Touch phones that are being sold have the same issue... [01:05] you should file a bug [01:05] but meanwhile you might want to switch to the rtm channel and see [01:09] yeah, I'll file a bug... thanks for your time :-) [01:54] Which touch devices does Ubuntu run best on? [02:01] Nikesh: Canonical officially supports the Nexus 4 [02:01] and the new Aquaris from BQ just came out, as you've probably heard [02:02] rumor has it that the Meizu MX4 -- which has much better specs than those other 2 phones -- will be on display at Mobile World Congress in about 2 weeks, running Ubuntu Touch [02:02] Ahh [02:02] awesome! [02:03] Sounds like Ubuntu Touch runs pretty well on the Nexus 5, but I'm not sure everything works [02:03] I'm currently deciding between buying a Nexus 4, and waiting at least a few months to buy the MX4 (I'm in the US) [02:08] Would you use either of them with a carrier, or just as a tablet? [02:10] Nikesh: I'm not expecting Ubuntu Touch to be my daily driver/main phone quite yet, so I plan to use my Nexus 5 (running Android) as a wifi hotspot that the Ubuntu Touch device connects to to get internet access [02:10] that drains both batteries, but at least I'll have 4G internet on both, and use Ubuntu Touch more and more until it's the only phone I need :-) [02:11] Ah, awesome [02:11] I need to be able to do encrypted SMS, tethering, and a couple other things that I don't think Ubuntu Touch can do at present [02:11] Btw, do you have any experience with any Android laptops? They seem interesting.. [02:12] I don't. I'm on a Chromebook right now, whose SSD I replaced with a much bigger one, and threw Xubuntu on here [02:12] so that's what I've done, cheap laptop-wise [02:13] Ah, how do you find Xubuntu functions on it? [02:13] it's great, thanks to https://www.distroshare.com/distros/get/14/ [02:13] I asked about Chromebooks in #ubuntu and was quickly shutdown.. one person said that it "doesn't truly run ubuntu" [02:14] which customized Xubuntu to work well on the Acer C720 Chromebook [02:14] well ChromeOS can't do everything I need, so I can understand not being content with that [02:14] Yes, ChromeOS can't do everything I need, but the Chromebook hardware is appealing to me, for that it is very lightweight [02:15] I mostly do web development with vim/node/testing in browsers, and occasionally image editing in gimp [02:15] but the hardware is solid, especially for $340! I basically have an $800 laptop for $400 http://smile.amazon.com/Acer-C720-Chromebook-11-6-Inch-4GB/dp/B00FNPD1OY/ [02:15] So I am looking for a device that is light, but has good performance for those tasks [02:15] Thanks for the links [02:15] cool. I'm a Go/Python/JS developer and use this machine for that purpose [02:16] Ah awesome [02:16] this one's a bit better: http://smile.amazon.com/Acer-C720-3404-11-6-Inch-Chromebook-Granite/dp/B00KOUIZBC/ [02:17] Ah, and you say that you upgraded the SSD? [02:18] Nikesh: yup, using this guide -- http://www.androidcentral.com/how-upgrade-ssd-your-acer-c720-chromebook [02:19] Thanks! [02:19] What size do you have on it? [02:19] So the C720 isn't ARM, then? [02:19] bought the 128GB one for $65 [02:20] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EZ2E8NO/ [02:21] going from a 32GB SSD to a 128GB SSD is huge :-). If I need more than 100GB of data stored locally, I can put it on an external drive [02:22] soon I hope to run Ubuntu literally everywhere! Desktop, laptop, servers, and soon -- smartphone [02:23] I didn't buy the convergence story at all when I first heard it, but the way that people keep buying smartphones but needing bigger screens or better keyboards, it seems to be happening... [02:23] hm, convergence story? [02:24] yes, see many talks from Mark Shuttleworth, and http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Convergence-Is-Working-Check-Out-Grreat-Flashback-App-Video-461548.shtml [02:26] Funny, I've really wanted a Chromebook for its hardware, but I didn't want to give up Ubuntu. I'm happy you've shared all this! [02:28] The RAM cannot be upgraded? [02:37] Do you have a link for how to install HugeGreenBug's Xubuntu? Would you say it runs natively, or like someone in #ubuntu said, it runs on top of ChromeOS? [02:38] Nikesh: RAM can't be upgraded, no; it's 4GB forever [02:38] Nikesh: it absolutely does not run on top of ChromeOS [02:38] it natively runs on this device [02:38] ChromeOS is gone [02:38] ah, good :D [02:40] What's the install process? Do you have a link to a guide perhaps? [02:40] looking... [02:41] you must enable Legacy Boot mode, so you can install a non-ChromeOS OS http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices/acer-c720-chromebook#TOC-Developer-Mode [02:42] Do you use a flash drive to install? [02:42] then I think I wrote Xubuntu to an SD card, then booted the Chromebook with that [02:42] Aha [02:43] the forums in https://www.distroshare.com/distros/get/14/ are VERY helpful [02:43] from that DistroShare page -- [02:43] How to install: [02:43] - Follow this guide: http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/764181-how-to-install-linux-on-an-acer-c720-chromebook. It explains how to install Bodhi Linux instead of standard Ubuntu and also explains how to dual boot. Just replace the Bodhi Linux iso with the one from this site. [02:43] works great, and I'm probably about to set a friend up with the same configuration [02:44] it's light enough to carry around at < 3lbs, it's fast thanks to 4GB RAM and the SSD, and because Xubuntu is a light-weight OS [02:44] recommended for sure! [02:44] anyway, I must go for now [02:44] Thanks for all the help [02:44] I want the MX4, but I may just get a Nexus 4 so I can develop apps now :-D hard to wait... [02:44] you bet, Nikesh [03:07] Can anyone get notifications from the gmail app or Dekko? Is there anyway to set a polling interval? [03:14] kyoei: don't know, but I have a ton of questions like that for myself and may buy a Nexus 4 to install Ubuntu Touch onto so I can answer them all :-) [03:15] kyoei: I've been told that Ubuntu Touch can be run in the emulator that comes with the ubuntu-sdk package [03:27] elimisteve: I have N4, with touch installed. I was running devel channel, but just changed to rtm. Seem to be getting notifications now, but still don't get push, and can't set polling interval. [03:27] elimisteve: Also, doesn't seem to be anyway to get notifications from dekko [03:33] elimisteve: what do you think of the C720's battery life? Also, does 4GB seem to suffice for your development needs? What are your heaviest applications and how do they perform? I am trying to decide between this Chromebook and a regular laptop around the same price with a bit better performance/ram/processor, but heavier.. [03:43] Nikesh: I have c720 running ubuntu mate. It's the old 2g version. Works great. Flashed johnlewis firmware after removing write-protect screw, then coreboot. [03:43] Nikesh: Battery life is 6-8 hours easy [03:46] Hm, i wonder what johnlewis firmware is? coreboot? [03:58] elimisteve: what about printing and scanning? [04:02] Nikesh: yes I get good battery life on my C720. For some reason I got better battery life when using Bodhi Linux, and not as good on Xubuntu, but it's still good. Not sure exactly what it is [04:03] Nikesh: well once you have Xubuntu installed, I mean, it's a regular, full Linux distro, so there shouldn't be any limitations there [04:03] printing over the network or via USB should work fine [04:03] I will say that having just 2 USB ports kinda sucks [04:04] aha [04:04] thanks for all the feedback [04:05] sure [04:05] what's the most intensive thing you use it for, and how well does it perform? [04:07] I am on a tiny 1.6ghz atom/1gb ram netbook, so most anything will feel faster, but I really want to make a wise upgrade. [04:09] Nikesh: the most intensive thing... having 50+ tabs open is pretty intensive [04:10] running all 4 components of a distributed system, each in its own Docker container, works really well [04:10] never had issues with the CPU, but for my use cases, if I have enough browser tabs open, I can run out of RAM [04:12] I used a netbook for a few years before I got 2 Chromebooks, and going from 1-2GB of RAM and a 5400rpm HD to 4GB RAM and an SSD makes a world of difference [04:12] sounds pretty good. i can barely have more than 4 tabs open.. [04:12] i have to make very conservative browser navigations [04:13] but read other reviews for sure :-) [04:13] Chromebooks seem to be the cheapest way to get a lightweight laptop with an SSD [04:13] my co-workers have 16GB of RAM on their laptops, and that would be awesome [04:13] agreed [04:13] 16gb, wow [04:13] portability is really important to me, but not to most people [04:13] yeah, but those are like $1300 or $1600 [04:14] my budget is <=500 right now [04:14] and yes, portability is quite important to me, too [04:14] even just around my own house :) [04:19] ah [04:19] ha okay then, a Chromebook sounds like a good choice [04:30] yeah! :D [04:50] btw, do you use any mini pcs for cloud storage? [04:55] maybe better to just get an external usb hdd === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy === ValicekB_ is now known as ValicekB === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [09:13] What's the best/easiest way to run Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5? MultiROM? Is there anything can't do with the MultiROM version that I _can_ do by installing UT onto my N5 some other way? [10:20] ...okay, running Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5 thanks to MultiROM [10:39] Moin ich hoffe einfach mal das jemand hier deutsch kann weiß jemand von euch ob es eine Ubuntu touch version für sony xperia z 2 gibt ? [10:41] Hello, does anyone of you whether it 's An Ubuntu Touch version for the Sony Xperia z2 ? [11:06] dobby5: it's not listed here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices), so no. [11:08] I'm getting permissions errors 'sudo apt-get update' on Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5, running via MultiROM [11:08] I've been instructed not to 'apt-get upgrade', so don't worry -- I won't do that [11:08] I've even enabled developer mode [11:08] and rebooted [11:08] Any idea how to safely mount / as rw instead of ro [11:08] ? [11:09] "W: Not using lockeing for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock" is the error [11:09] is mounted read-only, and /var is on the same partition as /, so that seems to be the issue [11:11] nevermind, found the answer at http://askubuntu.com/a/399723/125596 [11:13] you can use the phablet-config command from the phablet-tools package (in the equally named PPA), it has a --writable-image option [11:13] is there a working script for creating screenshots over adb for krillin? This doesn't work → http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/mirfbdump [11:13] svij, phablet-screenshots from phablet-tools [11:13] err [11:14] phablet-screenshot ... no s [11:14] ogra_: thx [11:14] you want the version from the phablet-tools PPA [11:14] (unless you run vivid on your PC :) ) [11:14] or how can I fix that the speaker symbol are present when doing it through the buttons [11:16] you cant ... a fix is in the works though [11:16] ah I see, so it's not my fault. [11:16] until then phablet-screenshott is your best option [11:16] no, it is unity8's fault :) [11:17] * svij needs to find his ubuntu laptop… [11:25] i have my own odd screenshot taking script [11:25] which automatically resizes the pic and then uploads to my webspace [11:26] then echo's the url so you can copy/paste it easily [11:45] any idea when the next ubuntu flash sale will happen? Got my yearly bonus from work! [11:50] zapa_, not sure, but surely soon [11:51] couldn [11:51] couldn't get it last sale! Went into a meeting 4 minutes after it started and the site kept hiding the payment details! [11:51] hoping things will be less stressed now! And with the bonus, I can get the E4.5 and have enough for a possible future ubuntu tablet! [11:52] yeah, it was totally overloaded [11:52] seems bq wasnt actually expecting such a run :) [11:52] no one was! [11:52] co-workers kept joking saying I'll be one of the 4 costumers! [11:52] haha [12:07] wooho, finall have Mutant Gangland running on N4 with ubuntu [12:08] runs like crap though [12:12] zapa_, well, you might need to make the framework support MIr properly [12:12] ogra_: phablet-screenshot works fine, thanks for the hint [12:12] or is that html5 based ? [12:12] yeah, lots of work before I can move the games to it. [12:12] ogra_: nope, C++ + SDL/GLUT depending on which host I'm using. First time "porting" something. [12:13] ah [12:13] well, Mir understands SDL2 afaik [12:13] yep! Was thinking of rolling my own SDL2 framework using sturmflut's github template, but it doesn't run on the device (it does deploy) [12:14] he is usually around in this channel during the week ... i'm sure he'll happily help [12:14] and since most of my game's code is in LUA, I'd just need to setup the backend for handling images [12:14] nice [12:17] definitely a good sign that BQ wasn't ready! [12:17] for all that demand, I mean [12:19] they sold out twice, right? Would that mean they sold a batch that was prepared for another sale? [12:23] might be, but they are surely able to raise the order at the factory quickly to compensate for that [12:26] would it take ~1 week to produce 12K phones? [12:26] no idea :) [12:42] ...just SSH'd into my Nexus 5 running Ubuntu Touch... installed nmap, htop, and go... this is awesome! [12:43] great work, everyone! [12:48] ^ yep! With UbuntuTouch I can finally feel like I have a real computer in my pocket [12:48] seriously [12:48] I had a Sharp Zaurus in 2004, which allowed me to do some cool things, but [12:53] having more than 64MB of RAM, or whatever it was, enables much more :-) [12:53] heh [12:54] * ogra_ would recommend using a chroot over making the system writable though [12:55] ogra_: why's that? [12:55] security? [12:55] upgradeability [12:56] of the OS? without losing data/packages? What do you mean? [12:56] if you make the system writeable you get a half working adb and a slightly broken system-image upgrade mechanism [12:56] err [12:56] s/adb/apt/ [12:57] apt is working so far. What's broken? [12:57] using a chroot you dont need to break the system-image setup and apt will fully work [12:57] and what would initial the chroot? [12:57] you wont be able to upgrade [12:57] someone in here said that 'apt-get upgrade' could brick the device [12:57] the readonly setup uses bind mounts into a writable partition for the writable bits [12:58] I installed UT from MultiROM on a N5, if that matters [12:58] dpkg uses hard links when unpacking pakcage upgrades ... [12:58] so if an existing package is upgraded and dpkg tries to replace the binary it will fail when trying to create a hardlink across partitions [12:59] that means at some point your apt setup will break [12:59] hmm [12:59] OTOH ... system-image uses diff upgrades against the readonly fs ... they get applied on toop of the install [13:00] zapa_: http://mutantgangland.com/ is your game? [13:00] if you change it by making it writable your changes will get reverted with the next system-image upgrade [13:00] ogra_: that sounds very clean [13:00] ogra_: where can I read about this specific chroot setup? [13:01] install deboostrap and read up about how to use it (there is tons of docs ) .... then just create a chroot in /home/phablet [13:01] popey: yep [13:01] nice! [13:01] then you can: chroot /home/phablet/mychroot ... and use apt cleanly in there [13:02] it's offline from buying it for a little while. Going to open it up again once I'm done with alpha 2 and some legal papers (VAT stuff changed, lots of paperwork here to take care off) [13:02] thinking of putting it up for free on ubuntu touch to get some traction going [13:02] that would be awesome [13:02] if you need testers on the bq devices, let us know, some of us have them ㋛ [13:02] going to try and get one! You received yours already? [13:03] last I checked when the website was barely working it would ship to me in march [13:03] or arrive in march (can't remember, doh) [13:03] a few of us work for canonical [13:03] so we had the android ones flashed with ubuntu for development / qa [13:03] but yeah, i ordered one too, and ETA is march [13:04] agh got it! I have a N4 running ubuntu right now, but the phone is about to die (speakers are purring and the touch hates the borders.. This was happening since before I flashed it) [13:04] need a new phone and the BQ hit the right mark [13:05] ogra_: what kinds of changes to the system should I only make in the chroot? Package installations... anything else? [13:06] well, everything apt realted [13:06] touching anything in /usr/bin and dirs like that, too, I assume? [13:06] zapa_: well, good luck with the porting, you know where we are if you need help. [13:06] thanks o/ [13:07] not sure what the system image encompases, but that's the read-only part I don't want to change, yes? What system image updates? [13:10] ogra_: you choot on the device? [13:10] how do you do that without debootstrap? [13:10] popey, sure, why not [13:11] you could use the ubuntu-core tarball [13:11] ah [13:11] although debootstrap has near zero dependencies [13:11] all of which are on the phone [13:12] yes [13:12] you coudl just install ti as the only extra package and make the system ro again [13:12] snappy will make this all easier :) [13:12] sudo apt-get install debootstrap [13:12] i dont want to make my phone rw [13:12] well, then grab the ubuntu-core tarball [13:13] untar ... chroot into it [13:13] (mount /proc, /dev and /sys (dont forget to unmount later) and just use apt) [13:13] good call [13:14] shame my sd card is vfat :) [13:14] could do it on that [13:14] for advanced users: use an lxc container ;) [13:14] haven't made a chroot in a while [13:14] \o/ lunch [13:14] thanks ogra_ [13:20] btw, any news on canonical going forward with BQ? Would love to see the aquarius E10 tablet with ubuntu on it :D [13:23] geez, we have only just started ... :) [13:24] no plans yet, let the first thing prove itself first :) [13:25] (while that first flash sale was surely a success, it needs show how persistent it is ...) [13:29] I know :D [13:30] it's just the fanboy in me being excited by his OS on portable gadgets [13:31] * zapa_ goes and draws the ubuntu logo on a piece of paper and sticks it on his altar [13:33] ha [13:33] :) [13:33] we don't know how many devices were actually sold during the first flash sale, do we? [13:33] public numbers haven't been given out for commercial reasons [13:33] fair enough [13:33] but I think it's fair to say demand was "more than bq expected" [13:34] yes [14:39] Is Ubuntu Phone based of legacy Ubuntu? Does it have apt-get for example? [14:41] it is ubuntu [14:41] it has apt on it but we don't generally recommend people use it [14:42] popey: How does the repo look like, does it have all binary packages? so I can install let's say iperf on it? [14:43] you probably could [14:43] if it's in the archive [14:43] the phone has a fork of the archive, which doesn't have everything [14:44] cool [14:49] for a second there I was going to say "people shouldn't use apt? But how are they going to install the apps" [14:51] zapa_: I think popey wants us to install applications by click packages or snappy? [14:51] yeah but I forgot for a moment that ubuntu touch has a store :D [14:51] zapa_: has it? [14:52] yeah! [14:52] zapa_: unofficial one you mean? [14:52] nope! official app store [14:52] you can get scopes and apps from there [14:53] zapa_: I thought popey told something about an unofficial store on LUP [14:53] https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps [14:53] thats that [14:54] unofficial web frontend to our store [14:54] uses our ap [14:54] *api [14:54] lord4163: (via google) http://ubuntulife.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Nexus-5-App-Store.png [14:54] need to learn how to take a screenshot on touch [14:54] zapa_: phablet-screenshot, from the phablet-tools package from the ubuntu-sdk-team ppa [14:55] no way currently on the device itself? [14:56] you can [14:56] hold both vol up and vol down [14:56] but there's a bug [14:56] it captures the volume control on screen :( [14:57] good enough for development :D [14:57] ya [14:57] unless the problem occurs in that region! I can always offset the viewport a bit [14:57] where can I find the german localisation strings of the phone? [14:59] svij: for specific apps? [15:00] popey: nope, found two mistakes on the lock screen and in the settings [15:00] I only found this → https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps [15:00] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings [15:01] https://translations.launchpad.net/unity8 [15:01] ah [15:01] thx [15:01] http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/utopic/de is good for "what's not been translated" [15:07] I don't find the "Checking for updates…" string (system settings → updates) … [15:08] oh, never mind. [15:08] svij,could be in ubuntu-download-manager i think [15:09] found it: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/+pots/ubuntu-system-settings/de/368/+translate [15:09] weird thing is, my phone just shows "Aktualisierun…" instead of "Aktualisierungen werden gesucht …" [15:11] i doubt the whole line would fit anyway [15:11] but yeah, the text field seems to short [15:12] ok, then it's not a translation error [15:12] more likely an app error, yeah [15:13] but it does show "Checking for updates…" in English, which is actually longer than "Aktualisierun…" [15:13] yeah [15:13] so the field is not too short? [15:14] dunno, file a bug and have someone check :) [15:14] I'm not sure where exactly I should file a bug [15:15] against ubuntu--system-settings [15:15] ok [15:24] done [16:27] is there any way to pass CMAKE some arguments from within QTCreator? [16:28] UbuntuSDK* [16:29] and found it [21:22] hi. Anyone here on hammerhead with one of the latest vivid-proposed images? Are you able to open click apps beyond the splash screen? [21:23] Hello guy [21:23] Have someone a tips for use .torrent in ubuntu-touch ? [21:27] I am trying to port Ubuntu touch to OnePlus One, but i get an Kernel panic: Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00000200 (full last_kmsg: http://pastebin.com/igt0TjYw) Please help me [21:29] NymeriaFR, if you are looking to do torrenting on your ubuntu-touch device, look at the app called 'DowNow' [21:30] I would like create an app for download podcast by .torrent [21:32] NymeriaFR, probably best to look at how they have done it as they have used libtorrent https://code.launchpad.net/downow [21:33] I search on ubuntu store [21:33] there is now app for 'downow' [21:40] I'm looking source code [21:40] it seems use docker [22:30] Hello guys [22:30] If I use docker for one of my application, is install docker image each time I lunch the application or just once ?