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lallui have a intel core 2 duo processor. with 2 gb ram and no graphics card. Will Kubuntu 14.04 work for me?05:04
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moose187hello?05:20
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naftilos76Hi, is there an editor in kde that has file editting capabilities as well as integrated terminal?07:48
naftilos76I need something like that for coding07:48
valorienaftilos76: there is kdevelop08:00
valoriealthough many use Kate for that as well08:00
naftilos76i am using kate with the terminal08:00
naftilos76looks fair so far08:00
valorieyou can use terminal as a kpart in most kde apps08:00
valorieeven Konversation08:00
valorie:-)08:00
naftilos76thanks08:00
valorieinvestigate the plugins if you want more power/capabilities08:01
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lordievaderGood morning.08:40
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BluesKajHiyas all11:21
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JunkHunkI have a problem with AWN. I installed the program but it won't work well on kubuntu so I decided to uninstall it but...after ppa-purge the repository and apt-get purge awn still I get this message at login: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=83911 I 've searched my home folder and I found there is still a AWN folder under home/me/.config/awn  my question is...will the deletion of this folder fix the pop up at login?11:59
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David1965I just don't know the SATA driver wasn't checked out on machines running the m2n68-la (Narra3) motherboards before being added to the latest distros and maybe should use a SATA driver that doesn't cause the Hard-drive to stay on constantly14:58
David1965because when UBUNTU 12.04LTS came out the SATA driver was perfect I suspect that this was the case for the 64bit version of UBUNTU 12.04LTS15:00
ikonia"sata driver"15:02
ikoniathere is no such thing15:02
ikoniathe chipset for your hardware is what is specific15:02
ikonialibata take instructions from that15:02
David1965that is what I mean that is the SATA driver15:02
ikoniado find out which driver your system is using and find out if it supports your chipset15:02
ikoniarather than complaining15:03
David1965the chipset is the NVidia NForce 63015:04
ikoniathats not what I asked15:05
David1965when I had UBUNTU 12.04LTS 32 bit installed it was pretty much perfect not one glitch but since things have moved on and the libata.so has been changed it means that systems running the n2n68-la (Narra3) are more likely to glitch15:08
ikoniawhy do you think libata.so is the problem ?15:09
David1965because when the UBUNTU 120.04LTS 32bit was about it was pretty much perfect and didn't have a glitch problem but the fact that things have move on and the libata.so driver had been updated made it more likely to cause machines with the m2n68-la motherboard to glitch15:12
ikoniamany things have been updated between versions, others just changed15:13
ikoniaI don't know how you can blindly state libata.so is the problem based on "it worked on the older version of ubuntu"15:13
David1965yes ikonia if the source code for libata.so was available I could build it for my machine15:13
ikoniawhat ????15:14
David1965but it would need to be the 64bit version not the 32bit15:14
ikoniaare you talking about the libata kernel module, or the libata.so libc library15:14
David1965lets call it quits bye15:14
ikonia??15:15
lordievaderI have a feeling that for both the source is available...15:15
ikoniathey are15:16
ikoniahence my confusion15:16
ikoniaand I don't understand why it would need to be 64bit rather than 32bit....if he was running 64bit, it would already be 64bit15:17
lesshasteis there anything I can add to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/1421830 to make it more informative?15:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1421830 in kile (Ubuntu) "kile crashes at startup" [Undecided,New]15:17
ikoniaI doubt libata was even the problem as it looked like there was no research done, let alone research with any real understanding (but I could be wrong)15:17
ikonialesshaste: stating the versions ?15:18
lesshastePackage: kile 4:2.1.3-2ubuntu115:18
ikoniaon what version of ubuntu - where did that package come from15:18
lesshasteikonia, it's in the bug report15:18
ikoniaI don't see it15:18
lesshastelet me see15:18
ikoniaahh I got it15:19
ikoniathere is an lsb_release output15:19
lesshasteikonia, so do you think anything is missing in the end?15:19
ikonialooks pretty "full"15:20
ikoniacertainly for a first post on a bug15:20
lesshasteok cool.. what is annoying is that there are no debug symbols15:20
lesshastebut I can't see how to fix that15:20
ikonialesshaste: there are normally symbols packages15:20
lesshasteikonia,  not for kile it seems.. not unless I have missed them15:20
lesshastecan you see any?15:21
ikonianot got an ubuntu box booted to check15:21
lesshasteok15:21
lesshasteI don't suppose there are any devs about15:21
ikoniathey will pick up the bug report15:22
lordievaderlesshaste: Those are usually in #kubuntu-devel, but in the weekend it is usually rather quiet.15:22
lesshasteok thanks15:22
ikoniamake sure you have it set to alert you when people respond to it15:22
lesshastewhat has the nerd world come to!15:22
ikoniathat way you can respond to questions/requests for info quick15:22
lesshasteweekends used to be key developing time :)15:22
lesshasteikonia,  my general experience is that nothing comes of reporting bugs15:30
lesshastesee https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61494#c4 for example15:31
ubottubugs.documentfoundation.org bug 61494 in Writer "VIEWING: Word document does not view correctly" [Normal,New]15:31
lesshasteamongst many dozens of bugs I have reported over the years15:31
ikonialesshaste: report a bug - good info and follow it up, and you'll find it gets sorted15:33
ikonialogging a bug and just magically expecting it to happen - won't15:33
lesshasteikonia, no I don't find that :)15:33
lesshastewhat more info could I possibly have provided?15:33
lesshasteit has been confirmed by others too15:33
ikonialesshaste: I'd get it confirmed, and get them to add input into thaht bug15:34
ikoniaeg; confirming the same/differences15:34
ikoniaI'd look at what package that repo comes from - see where that comes from eg: debian or ubuntu specific and look at how to interact with that team15:35
ikoniaI'd look for alternative versions and confirm if they work/don't work15:35
ikoniafeeding all this into the bug repot with no "chat" but just valid information so its easy to read15:35
ikoniadoes the 32bit version have the same problem15:35
ikoniaif you do a clean install - does it have the same problem15:35
ikoniahave you verifed your systems hardware, eg: a memtests15:36
ikonialoads that can be done to move it along15:36
lesshasteinstalling the debug symbols!15:36
lesshastewhich I just can't work out how to do15:36
ikoniathere may not be a package for it15:36
ikoniaso don't get hung up on it15:36
ikonialots more (as I suggested) that can be done15:36
lesshasteikonia, I reported a ubuntu bug15:48
ikoniasuper15:48
lesshastebut as I say, it would be more helpful is the back trace were more informative15:48
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CharlieTheCabbieHi all.  Can someone please advise me how to authorize root to login directly at the start of a KDE Session?  Thanks16:51
CharlieTheCabbieI tried a little while ago at the start of this session and it said "root logins are not allowed".  Well they must be somewhere, I just need to know where to switch them on :)16:52
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BluesKajCharlieTheCabbie, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222735817:11
CharlieTheCabbieThank you BluesKaj17:15
CharlieTheCabbieOk, seems that's not going to be of any use to me whatsoever.  I want help to do it, not pointing at the fact that you won't do it :)17:17
CharlieTheCabbieI'll have to google for it. Sorry17:17
CharlieTheCabbieWell, that didn't take long to sort out.  One quick google, job done.17:24
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lyakhhi. Updated from 12 to 14 on an i3 with reasonable parameters - 4G RAM etc. The system slowed down to a croll. Switching to a new task takes ages etc. most search hits refer to graphics slowness, but this doesn't seem to be related to graphics. feels like cpufreq throttling, but sysfs says all CPUs were running with max freq. Just switched to "performance" governor and it does seem to have helped... Is 3.13 known to have a problem with the onde18:05
lyakhmand governor?18:05
lyakhalthough even now it doesn't feel quite as smooth as under 1218:06
lordievaderlyakh: What is the load? Is the system swapping?18:14
lyakhlordievader: nah, all relaxed. nothing intensive. just basic typing in a dozen of apps18:14
lyakhlordievader: swap is practically unused, whereas the execution of the "free" command in konsole took like 5 seconds...18:15
lordievaderlyakh: How does the output of 'vmstat 1' look like?18:15
lyakhlordievader: well, it makes a couple more context switches, than what I would expect from a system with this kind of a load while just staring at vmstat...18:17
lyakhlordievader: somewhere around 2000 per second, but that's not that critical either, or is it?18:18
lordievaderlyakh: I was more aiming at the cpu time statistics.18:18
lyakhlordievader: mostly idle with some waiting18:19
lordievaderHow much io wait?18:20
lyakhlordievader: anywhere between 5 and 60, with average hardly above 1018:20
lyakhbut actually I'm surprised but loadavg... more than 2 atm18:21
lordievader60 is rather hight...18:21
lordievaderhigh*18:21
* lordievader dislikes slow internet connection18:22
* lyakh installs iotop18:22
lyakhthe HDD is spinning indeed...18:22
lyakhhmm... baloo??18:27
lyakhjust disable desktop search? that doesn't sound quite right, it's not just desktop, it's all files18:32
lyakhcool, the HDD is back down to idle:) damn user-friendliness :-D18:34
lyakhlordievader: thanks for the tip!18:35
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dinosaurTried luck on Ubuntu channel, but no response :19:40
dinosaurHi. Ubuntu Server 12.04 - tried to install (apt-get install ) a variety of applications and seems that files which are shipped to users' directories have always set root ownership. Examples: apt-get install firefox, apt-get install fluxbox. It seems that it is not the case for Kubuntu. Can you explain it?19:40
lordievaderlyakh: Less slowdowns now baloo is killed?20:24
BluesKaji just don't enable the search20:34
lyakhlordievader: back to normal, yes, just perfect :)20:35
lyakhyep, I'd be interested to know - how many percent of users actually benefit from those searches...20:36
lordievaderlyakh: Those who do a lot of searching around ;)20:37
lordievaderBut good to hear :)20:37
OerHekslyakh, if i want to use it, i would start to make the 50 mb cache bigger20:37
lyakhyes, I mean, some probably use that and benefit from it. But if 1% need it and 99% suffer from it...20:38
andy123True. I mainly search with the "find" command, which does not benefit from baloo20:40
lyakhexactly20:40
XenothHow can I set up Kubuntu so that I can change my KMix volume in games that capture mouse and keyboard?20:41
andy123Xenoth: I am not 100% sure, but its probably impossible20:44
andy123at least without minimizing the game20:44
XenothA while ago I heard something about patching SDL.20:45
ovidiu-florinXenoth: laptop?20:45
ovidiu-florinFn+F* doesn't do the trick?20:46
XenothNope.20:46
ovidiu-florinthat's odd20:46
XenothAh who am I kidding - it just did in a windowed mode20:47
XenothMight not work in fullscreen, lemme see20:47
XenothI can't adjust it in a fullscreen program.20:49
andy123see also https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=12190720:49
andy123this seems to be a limitation of the xserver20:50
BluesKajXenoth, don't your games have a vol ctl , if so crank alsamixer or kmix to the max then controll the volume from the gsmr or if equipped from the KB20:51
BluesKajfrom the game20:51
XenothYeah, that's a solution, I guess. I'd rather my hotkeys work though ;D20:51
XenothI guess I'll go back to alttabbing out of it and adjusting there, then going back :(20:52
andy123see also: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323528 Wayland promises to fix things20:53
ubottuKDE bug 323528 in general "Wayland: Fullgrab-Alternative for Games (avoid global hotkeys to be annoying in-game)" [Wishlist,Resolved: worksforme]20:53
XenothHonestly, I guess it's not that big of an issue. Windowed games work better on my GPU anyway, heheh20:53
andy123the keygrabbing is a big security issue20:54
BluesKajandy123, do you know of anyone running wayland/xwayland ?20:58
andy123BluesKaj: no20:59
andy123most applications have not been ported yet20:59
BluesKajandy123, right , I hear a lot of talk about it, but not much action on the part of the devs21:00
andy123BluesKaj: I guess there is lots of action going on, companies are involved with its development21:02
lordievaderBluesKaj: I think there is more development in Wayland than there is in Xorg.21:04
BluesKajandy123, I sure hope so, and this switch to plasma 5 isn't my cuppa tea so far on 15.04 , so they're busy trying fix that as well21:05
andy123BluesKaj: True, I guess wayland will not be a full xserver replacement for at least 3-5 years21:05
andy123but I already played supertuxkart on it, with some bugs21:06
BluesKajlots of users seem to really like plasma 5, maybe I will once some new theme packs are available21:06
andy123I have plasma5 installed, but its buggy right now21:08
BluesKajyeah itesting 15.04 on a laptop atm21:08
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