[00:50] <Denza252> Drone`: denza
[00:50] <Denza252> Denza
[05:04] <lallu> i have a intel core 2 duo processor. with 2 gb ram and no graphics card. Will Kubuntu 14.04 work for me?
[05:20] <moose187> hello?
[07:48] <naftilos76> Hi, is there an editor in kde that has file editting capabilities as well as integrated terminal?
[07:48] <naftilos76> I need something like that for coding
[08:00] <valorie> naftilos76: there is kdevelop
[08:00] <valorie> although many use Kate for that as well
[08:00] <naftilos76> i am using kate with the terminal
[08:00] <naftilos76> looks fair so far
[08:00] <valorie> you can use terminal as a kpart in most kde apps
[08:00] <valorie> even Konversation
[08:00] <valorie> :-)
[08:00] <naftilos76> thanks
[08:01] <valorie> investigate the plugins if you want more power/capabilities
[08:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:59] <JunkHunk> I have a problem with AWN. I installed the program but it won't work well on kubuntu so I decided to uninstall it but...after ppa-purge the repository and apt-get purge awn still I get this message at login: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=83911 I 've searched my home folder and I found there is still a AWN folder under home/me/.config/awn  my question is...will the deletion of this folder fix the pop up at login?
[14:58] <David1965> I just don't know the SATA driver wasn't checked out on machines running the m2n68-la (Narra3) motherboards before being added to the latest distros and maybe should use a SATA driver that doesn't cause the Hard-drive to stay on constantly
[15:00] <David1965> because when UBUNTU 12.04LTS came out the SATA driver was perfect I suspect that this was the case for the 64bit version of UBUNTU 12.04LTS
[15:02] <ikonia> "sata driver"
[15:02] <ikonia> there is no such thing
[15:02] <ikonia> the chipset for your hardware is what is specific
[15:02] <ikonia> libata take instructions from that
[15:02] <David1965> that is what I mean that is the SATA driver
[15:02] <ikonia> do find out which driver your system is using and find out if it supports your chipset
[15:03] <ikonia> rather than complaining
[15:04] <David1965> the chipset is the NVidia NForce 630
[15:05] <ikonia> thats not what I asked
[15:08] <David1965> when I had UBUNTU 12.04LTS 32 bit installed it was pretty much perfect not one glitch but since things have moved on and the libata.so has been changed it means that systems running the n2n68-la (Narra3) are more likely to glitch
[15:09] <ikonia> why do you think libata.so is the problem ?
[15:12] <David1965> because when the UBUNTU 120.04LTS 32bit was about it was pretty much perfect and didn't have a glitch problem but the fact that things have move on and the libata.so driver had been updated made it more likely to cause machines with the m2n68-la motherboard to glitch
[15:13] <ikonia> many things have been updated between versions, others just changed
[15:13] <ikonia> I don't know how you can blindly state libata.so is the problem based on "it worked on the older version of ubuntu"
[15:13] <David1965> yes ikonia if the source code for libata.so was available I could build it for my machine
[15:14] <ikonia> what ????
[15:14] <David1965> but it would need to be the 64bit version not the 32bit
[15:14] <ikonia> are you talking about the libata kernel module, or the libata.so libc library
[15:14] <David1965> lets call it quits bye
[15:15] <ikonia> ??
[15:15] <lordievader> I have a feeling that for both the source is available...
[15:16] <ikonia> they are
[15:16] <ikonia> hence my confusion
[15:17] <ikonia> and I don't understand why it would need to be 64bit rather than 32bit....if he was running 64bit, it would already be 64bit
[15:17] <lesshaste> is there anything I can add to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/1421830 to make it more informative?
[15:17] <ikonia> I doubt libata was even the problem as it looked like there was no research done, let alone research with any real understanding (but I could be wrong)
[15:18] <ikonia> lesshaste: stating the versions ?
[15:18] <lesshaste> Package: kile 4:2.1.3-2ubuntu1
[15:18] <ikonia> on what version of ubuntu - where did that package come from
[15:18] <lesshaste> ikonia, it's in the bug report
[15:18] <ikonia> I don't see it
[15:18] <lesshaste> let me see
[15:19] <ikonia> ahh I got it
[15:19] <ikonia> there is an lsb_release output
[15:19] <lesshaste> ikonia, so do you think anything is missing in the end?
[15:20] <ikonia> looks pretty "full"
[15:20] <ikonia> certainly for a first post on a bug
[15:20] <lesshaste> ok cool.. what is annoying is that there are no debug symbols
[15:20] <lesshaste> but I can't see how to fix that
[15:20] <ikonia> lesshaste: there are normally symbols packages
[15:20] <lesshaste> ikonia,  not for kile it seems.. not unless I have missed them
[15:21] <lesshaste> can you see any?
[15:21] <ikonia> not got an ubuntu box booted to check
[15:21] <lesshaste> ok
[15:21] <lesshaste> I don't suppose there are any devs about
[15:22] <ikonia> they will pick up the bug report
[15:22] <lordievader> lesshaste: Those are usually in #kubuntu-devel, but in the weekend it is usually rather quiet.
[15:22] <lesshaste> ok thanks
[15:22] <ikonia> make sure you have it set to alert you when people respond to it
[15:22] <lesshaste> what has the nerd world come to!
[15:22] <ikonia> that way you can respond to questions/requests for info quick
[15:22] <lesshaste> weekends used to be key developing time :)
[15:30] <lesshaste> ikonia,  my general experience is that nothing comes of reporting bugs
[15:31] <lesshaste> see https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61494#c4 for example
[15:31] <lesshaste> amongst many dozens of bugs I have reported over the years
[15:33] <ikonia> lesshaste: report a bug - good info and follow it up, and you'll find it gets sorted
[15:33] <ikonia> logging a bug and just magically expecting it to happen - won't
[15:33] <lesshaste> ikonia, no I don't find that :)
[15:33] <lesshaste> what more info could I possibly have provided?
[15:33] <lesshaste> it has been confirmed by others too
[15:34] <ikonia> lesshaste: I'd get it confirmed, and get them to add input into thaht bug
[15:34] <ikonia> eg; confirming the same/differences
[15:35] <ikonia> I'd look at what package that repo comes from - see where that comes from eg: debian or ubuntu specific and look at how to interact with that team
[15:35] <ikonia> I'd look for alternative versions and confirm if they work/don't work
[15:35] <ikonia> feeding all this into the bug repot with no "chat" but just valid information so its easy to read
[15:35] <ikonia> does the 32bit version have the same problem
[15:35] <ikonia> if you do a clean install - does it have the same problem
[15:36] <ikonia> have you verifed your systems hardware, eg: a memtests
[15:36] <ikonia> loads that can be done to move it along
[15:36] <lesshaste> installing the debug symbols!
[15:36] <lesshaste> which I just can't work out how to do
[15:36] <ikonia> there may not be a package for it
[15:36] <ikonia> so don't get hung up on it
[15:36] <ikonia> lots more (as I suggested) that can be done
[15:48] <lesshaste> ikonia, I reported a ubuntu bug
[15:48] <ikonia> super
[15:48] <lesshaste> but as I say, it would be more helpful is the back trace were more informative
[16:51] <CharlieTheCabbie> Hi all.  Can someone please advise me how to authorize root to login directly at the start of a KDE Session?  Thanks
[16:52] <CharlieTheCabbie> I tried a little while ago at the start of this session and it said "root logins are not allowed".  Well they must be somewhere, I just need to know where to switch them on :)
[17:11] <BluesKaj> CharlieTheCabbie, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2227358
[17:15] <CharlieTheCabbie> Thank you BluesKaj
[17:17] <CharlieTheCabbie> Ok, seems that's not going to be of any use to me whatsoever.  I want help to do it, not pointing at the fact that you won't do it :)
[17:17] <CharlieTheCabbie> I'll have to google for it. Sorry
[17:24] <CharlieTheCabbie> Well, that didn't take long to sort out.  One quick google, job done.
[18:05] <lyakh> hi. Updated from 12 to 14 on an i3 with reasonable parameters - 4G RAM etc. The system slowed down to a croll. Switching to a new task takes ages etc. most search hits refer to graphics slowness, but this doesn't seem to be related to graphics. feels like cpufreq throttling, but sysfs says all CPUs were running with max freq. Just switched to "performance" governor and it does seem to have helped... Is 3.13 known to have a problem with the onde
[18:05] <lyakh> mand governor?
[18:06] <lyakh> although even now it doesn't feel quite as smooth as under 12
[18:14] <lordievader> lyakh: What is the load? Is the system swapping?
[18:14] <lyakh> lordievader: nah, all relaxed. nothing intensive. just basic typing in a dozen of apps
[18:15] <lyakh> lordievader: swap is practically unused, whereas the execution of the "free" command in konsole took like 5 seconds...
[18:15] <lordievader> lyakh: How does the output of 'vmstat 1' look like?
[18:17] <lyakh> lordievader: well, it makes a couple more context switches, than what I would expect from a system with this kind of a load while just staring at vmstat...
[18:18] <lyakh> lordievader: somewhere around 2000 per second, but that's not that critical either, or is it?
[18:18] <lordievader> lyakh: I was more aiming at the cpu time statistics.
[18:19] <lyakh> lordievader: mostly idle with some waiting
[18:20] <lordievader> How much io wait?
[18:20] <lyakh> lordievader: anywhere between 5 and 60, with average hardly above 10
[18:21] <lyakh> but actually I'm surprised but loadavg... more than 2 atm
[18:21] <lordievader> 60 is rather hight...
[18:21] <lordievader> high*
[18:22]  * lordievader dislikes slow internet connection
[18:22]  * lyakh installs iotop
[18:22] <lyakh> the HDD is spinning indeed...
[18:27] <lyakh> hmm... baloo??
[18:32] <lyakh> just disable desktop search? that doesn't sound quite right, it's not just desktop, it's all files
[18:34] <lyakh> cool, the HDD is back down to idle:) damn user-friendliness :-D
[18:35] <lyakh> lordievader: thanks for the tip!
[19:40] <dinosaur> Tried luck on Ubuntu channel, but no response :
[19:40] <dinosaur> Hi. Ubuntu Server 12.04 - tried to install (apt-get install ) a variety of applications and seems that files which are shipped to users' directories have always set root ownership. Examples: apt-get install firefox, apt-get install fluxbox. It seems that it is not the case for Kubuntu. Can you explain it?
[20:24] <lordievader> lyakh: Less slowdowns now baloo is killed?
[20:34] <BluesKaj> i just don't enable the search
[20:35] <lyakh> lordievader: back to normal, yes, just perfect :)
[20:36] <lyakh> yep, I'd be interested to know - how many percent of users actually benefit from those searches...
[20:37] <lordievader> lyakh: Those who do a lot of searching around ;)
[20:37] <lordievader> But good to hear :)
[20:37] <OerHeks> lyakh, if i want to use it, i would start to make the 50 mb cache bigger
[20:38] <lyakh> yes, I mean, some probably use that and benefit from it. But if 1% need it and 99% suffer from it...
[20:40] <andy123> True. I mainly search with the "find" command, which does not benefit from baloo
[20:40] <lyakh> exactly
[20:41] <Xenoth> How can I set up Kubuntu so that I can change my KMix volume in games that capture mouse and keyboard?
[20:44] <andy123> Xenoth: I am not 100% sure, but its probably impossible
[20:44] <andy123> at least without minimizing the game
[20:45] <Xenoth> A while ago I heard something about patching SDL.
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> Xenoth: laptop?
[20:46] <ovidiu-florin> Fn+F* doesn't do the trick?
[20:46] <Xenoth> Nope.
[20:46] <ovidiu-florin> that's odd
[20:47] <Xenoth> Ah who am I kidding - it just did in a windowed mode
[20:47] <Xenoth> Might not work in fullscreen, lemme see
[20:49] <Xenoth> I can't adjust it in a fullscreen program.
[20:49] <andy123> see also https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=121907
[20:50] <andy123> this seems to be a limitation of the xserver
[20:51] <BluesKaj> Xenoth, don't your games have a vol ctl , if so crank alsamixer or kmix to the max then controll the volume from the gsmr or if equipped from the KB
[20:51] <BluesKaj> from the game
[20:51] <Xenoth> Yeah, that's a solution, I guess. I'd rather my hotkeys work though ;D
[20:52] <Xenoth> I guess I'll go back to alttabbing out of it and adjusting there, then going back :(
[20:53] <andy123> see also: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323528 Wayland promises to fix things
[20:53] <Xenoth> Honestly, I guess it's not that big of an issue. Windowed games work better on my GPU anyway, heheh
[20:54] <andy123> the keygrabbing is a big security issue
[20:58] <BluesKaj> andy123, do you know of anyone running wayland/xwayland ?
[20:59] <andy123> BluesKaj: no
[20:59] <andy123> most applications have not been ported yet
[21:00] <BluesKaj> andy123, right , I hear a lot of talk about it, but not much action on the part of the devs
[21:02] <andy123> BluesKaj: I guess there is lots of action going on, companies are involved with its development
[21:04] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I think there is more development in Wayland than there is in Xorg.
[21:05] <BluesKaj> andy123, I sure hope so, and this switch to plasma 5 isn't my cuppa tea so far on 15.04 , so they're busy trying fix that as well
[21:05] <andy123> BluesKaj: True, I guess wayland will not be a full xserver replacement for at least 3-5 years
[21:06] <andy123> but I already played supertuxkart on it, with some bugs
[21:06] <BluesKaj> lots of users seem to really like plasma 5, maybe I will once some new theme packs are available
[21:08] <andy123> I have plasma5 installed, but its buggy right now
[21:08] <BluesKaj> yeah itesting 15.04 on a laptop atm