[04:39] hi captine [04:54] morning all [05:11] ai! [05:41] morning superfly [05:42] bye Kilos, church and load-shedding [05:42] have a good day superfly [09:21] God this is sexy: http://gohugo.io/ [09:21] I love static site generators... === ThatGraemeGuy is now known as Guest14422 [10:14] i was shed [10:17] Power problems in ZA are serious, eh? [10:17] My power turned off last night and I ran across the room in the dark to shut off my server. [10:17] yeah stickyboy [10:17] LOL [10:18] UPS was beeping, I know I only get 15 seconds or so. Just enough for the blips, or to dash across the room! [10:18] lol [10:26] Kilos: I'm looking at static site generators. [11:22] good , im outsdie working on a car [11:23] that nikola works good [12:46] hi magellanic [12:46] greets [12:46] hi Kerbero [12:51] congrats on debconf in cape town.. [12:57] noon all [12:57] hi [12:59] quick one to the tech people. am wanting to learn central server management and am looking at puppet? anyone have easier alternatives etc? [12:59] thinking puppet + nagios [13:00] ansible looks good to [13:15] only heard good things about ansible captine [13:16] magellanic: We use Ansible here... [13:17] I like that it doesn't need a daemon. Just piggybacks on SSH + key-based authed. w00t. [13:17] for monitoring I don't like nagios, some of its forks have progressed better, I'd look around, icinga was a promising one [13:17] No extra ports in firewall, etc. [13:18] I have no experience with ansible, but there is a continuous integration guy in the office who swears by it :D [13:18] I use ansible to manage my the server hosting my blogs: http://github.com/alanorth/ansible_blog [13:19] And I've written about using ansible on my cluster at work: https://mjanja.ch/2014/09/update-hosts-via-ansible-to-mitigate-bash-shellshock-vulnerability/ [13:19] But many more. [13:27] We've moved on from the shellshock so quickly that it's not even funny :P [14:02] waddup [14:07] hi zipper [14:07] Kilos: It's all good. [14:08] hi Trixar_za [14:08] Hey Kilos [14:09] you guys been busy hey zipper [14:09] Kilos: Who has been busy? [14:09] you man [14:09] you havent been on irc for a week or more [14:10] Kilos: Well I have. There is a haskell project I'm working on. [14:10] Trying to get it right. [14:10] ah [14:11] Giving it a clean JSON RESTful API. I hate to use such words but I don't know how else to describe it. [14:11] lol [14:12] Problem is that these guys want it to deploy FAST! but if it's going to be fast it'll be crappy. [14:13] eish [14:13] Kilos: How are you though? [14:13] im good ty working on a site for ubuntu-africa [14:14] just need to learn more about bzr and nikola [14:14] then once working maybe a site for linux-africa [14:15] ill get you all together somehow [14:18] Wow linux africa [14:18] May I suggest that linux africa use git instead of BZR? [14:19] yeah there are so many linux guys in africa and they could all work together instead of each one battling on his own [14:19] i dont know how to use git [14:19] Kilos: I think git is easier to use than BZR by far. [14:20] Yeah, and git was created by Linus too :P [14:20] when ive done the ubuntu site then ill come to you guys for guidance and see what the git thing works like [14:22] i need stuff that easy and simple [14:23] see this site is cool and fast, thats what im after [14:23] https://ubuntu-za.org/ [14:24] Because git is truly what linus made for linux collaboration and linux is not ubuntu? [14:24] sites that load slowly are a pupoff from the beginning [14:24] ill look at it [14:25] you guys can help when i get the ubuntu site done [14:25] I feel that ubuntu tries to take linux away from the community by the way they deviate. Though deviating is the whole idea of FOSS [14:25] but by ubuntu I mean cannonical [14:26] read the text on the za site [14:26] So I am contradicting myself. I don't like the way they deviate. [14:26] linux users are welcome [14:26] Kilos: We are all linux users after all. :) [14:26] yes [14:26] I just clicked the link [14:27] Kilos: Wow looks good. Did you make that/ [14:27] *? [14:27] no superfly did and im copying most for the ubuntu-africa site [14:28] Looks good. [14:28] well of course [14:30] Anyway let me give you a resource for git. The easiest. It's an online book. http://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Getting-Started-About-Version-Control [14:30] The ebook pro-git is free [14:30] cool ty [14:30] http://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 [14:31] Yeah [14:31] I hope I am not forcing anything on anyone. Just an opinion. [14:31] What is nikola? [14:31] nope ill look into it and use what is easiest for me [14:32] zipper: Having used git, Mercurial and Bazaar, I prefer Bazaar. Git is hopelessly over-complicated [14:32] nikola generates static sites and converts the text stuff to html i think [14:32] Kilos: Oh I see [14:32] Kilos: if you find bzr difficult to understand, don't even try git. [14:32] zipper superfly knows what id find easier [14:33] superfly: Why are you spreading misinformation based on your opinion? [14:33] zipper: it's not mis-information [14:33] Some things are hard for some and easy for others [14:33] it's true [14:33] Kilos: What language is it in? Since I worked with ruby I've used jekyll. [14:33] i cant even answer that [14:33] zipper: don't confuse git with github. most people think git is easy because all they've ever used is github. [14:34] zipper: Nikola is written in Python. [14:34] If you want to get with linux or most source project. Basically if you want info that you can apply elsewhere use git. [14:34] wbb [14:35] superfly: You my friend should be slapped with a wet fish for spreading your opinion as the truth. [14:36] Also git is distributed. That is a big plus. [14:37] Maybe good things can sometimes seem complicated but once you get them it was worth the trouble. [14:40] zipper: dude. step down. I've been around doing this open source and version control thing for years. Don't tell me I'm talking nonsense. Have you used bzr or hg? Or svn or cvs, for that matter? [14:40] superfly: LOL [14:40] superfly: I've not said it's nonsense [14:42] zipper dont fight my fly [14:42] zipper: please do answer my question. [14:42] I once tried learning bzr (when I was on ubuntu and found it complex). If you chose hg I'd be okay because it's distributed version control. [14:42] superfly: I'm not done answering it. [14:43] It's true I'm still in school and I wasn't around when people used stuff like sourceforge and other things. All I've used is git with github and bitbucket. [14:44] I hear hg has a better "interface/ux" [14:46] I think if you wanted to start an open source project chosing version control that is used by most people would be good. All I know about bzr that I know I wouldn't want is not being a DVCS. [14:46] Now I'm done answering. [14:46] lol [14:47] Whatever you guys chose I'll be okay with it. [14:47] bzr is DVCS [14:49] sup superfly [14:49] hey magellanic [14:49] superfly: I didn't know that. So why don't people like bzr? [14:50] bzr is not open source is it? [14:50] magellanic: It's not? [14:50] zipper: the fact that you don't know that bzr is a DVCS shows me exactly how much you know about version control. I really recommend you quieten down. [14:50] hrm [14:50] no idea, checking [14:50] my damn mp3 collection has gotten 2 big [14:50] it is. These days it is driven by Canonical. [14:51] to the point where loading the damn mp3 player gives me issues initializing the damn library [14:51] oh right [14:51] Symmetria: heya [14:51] superfly: No you can't tell me to quiet down because I questioned your choice of using bzr. [14:51] lo magellanic [14:51] someone recommend me an mp3 player that can handle an insanely huge library properly [14:52] Symmetria: Does rhythmbox not work for you? [14:52] zipper heh nope [14:52] Total peak : 15.383930 (3910/565633 tracks) [14:52] :P [14:52] zipper the fly did our site and its great imo. [14:52] zipper: You never questions my use choice of bzr. You just said that I'm spreading misinformation. [14:52] *questioned [14:52] superfly: Anyway after many people are hopefully contributing to the project we'll know whether bzr was a good choice. [14:52] heh, its 565 thousand tracks, with a play time of 385 weeks ;p [14:53] Kilos: I have no issue with his programming skills. [14:53] being a skilled programmer he knows what works best in most situations [14:53] zipper: MySQL uses bzr. Ubuntu uses bzr, there are a number of other big projects that use bzr. I use bzr because it's simpler than git while getting the same job done in a saner way. [14:56] I've never used bzr, probably should try it out. [14:57] superfly: I still think it's your opinion and not truth. [14:57] ai! [14:57] zipper: I've been involved in an open source project for over 10 years, you think I don't know what I'm talking about? [14:58] but whatever you chose I am going to be in support of. [14:58] yay zipper thats the way to go [14:58] the fly knows [14:58] Symmetria: I used to use some xmms clone, can't recall now [14:58] superfly: I am not saying that you don't know whaty you're saying I'm just saying the git learning curve might be worth the trouble. [14:58] magellanic, lol I tried to load em into plex and that fell apart [14:59] superfly: again I think it's more of an opinion [14:59] Symmetria: aplay :-P [14:59] Symmetria: try rhythmbox I guess [14:59] Symmetria: try http://audacious-media-player.org/ [14:59] I think that's what I had [15:00] heh will try that [15:00] thanks [15:00] Disk /dev/sda: 2.7 TiB, 3000592982016 bytes, 5860533168 sectors [15:00] Disk /dev/sdb: 27.3 TiB, 30005379727360 bytes, 58604257280 sectors [15:01] heh thats my latest in my addition to my disk space ;p [15:01] I have had some trouble rebasing, squashing etc commits in git and I must admit I don't totally get some parts of git that are central to collaboration. [15:02] yeah, no such thing in bzr. [15:02] rebase really does my head in. I always thought that VCS was about recording history... and then with rebase you go and rewrite your history. doesn't make sense to me. [15:04] zipper: then there's this: there seem to be 2 camps in git. Those that are pro-merge and those that are pro-rebase. And I've never been able to see one reason to prefer one over the other (other than the fact that rebase rewrites your history, which seems wrong). http://bemusement.org/rebase-criticism [15:05] hahahaha I am pro rebase just because it has a cleaner commit history. [15:06] "cleaner" - i.e. remove all your history. [15:06] merges are cool I guess because they're easier to wrap ones's head around. [15:06] bzr does it differently you see. it does what rebase does, without losing the history. [15:06] superfly: I believe you can still access the history from a rebase. I can't remember well but it's not easy. [15:07] I read about it in pro git [15:07] However, don't you think that if you wanted an open source project for linux users it should use the VCS that is most popular among linux users? [15:08] or at least hg. I've always wanted to try hg but I've never had the chance. [15:08] zipper: when I started using bzr, git wasn't nearly as popular as it is today, in fact at that stage bzr was more popular than git. [15:08] zipper try them all and use what suits you best not just whats more popular [15:10] Kilos: but git suits me I think. Plus it's what most open source projects use. Recruiters look at your github not even bitbucket. [15:10] recruiters don't know what git is. [15:11] they just play buzzword bingo [15:11] superfly: Well they're the ones in charge. [15:11] superfly: They look at github specifically which sucks. [15:11] no they're not. [15:12] A lot people ask to look at my GITHUB [15:12] lol, games to play when you are bored, network acronyms, cause Im convinced there are more of those than in almost any other area of IT lol [15:12] says the highschooler to the "veteran" [15:12] Symmetria: can't argue with you there. [15:12] bgp, isis, eigrp, ospf, rip, mpls, bgp-lu, rsvp, ldp, the list goes on and on ;p [15:13] Symmetria: ISIS? [15:13] intermediate system - intermediate system [15:13] zipper: some food for thought: http://toykeeper.net/tutorials/bzr-vs-git/ [15:14] hi Tonberry [15:14] hi [15:15] oh, I left out NAT, RSTP, STP, RFC, MTU, POP, OSI, LAN, LACP, DNS, ARP, ADSL [15:15] superfly: Keep your bzr and I'll do my thing. [15:15] :P and I bet I could find a ton more [15:15] lol [15:16] zipper: translated: *I'm not listening* [15:16] superfly: No when I told you that people only ask about my github and not even my bitbucket you said some condescending things. [15:17] superfly: So now you want to rewrite my past experiences. [15:17] superfly: Based on your many years of experience. [15:18] I never said anything of the sort. [15:19] superfly: Dude you said it here "18:09:10 superfly | says the highschooler to the "veteran"" [15:20] Symmetria: try http://audacious-media-player.org/ (not sure if it got here before I dc'd) [15:22] superfly: So yeah I'm done with this. Go with bzr. I hope all linux users in africa contributes. [15:23] s/contributes/contribute/ [15:26] However, if you want to make linux africa more of ubuntu africa by forcing all of cannonical's rules on the rest of linux you shall have a hard time. [15:26] zipper enough now man [15:27] no one is forcing anything on anyone [15:27] see the finished product when done then decide for yourself [15:28] zipper: I have better things to do with my time than argue with a stubborn know-it-all. Excuse me, I have supper to make for my family. [15:30] Kilos: I said I'll go by whatever decision you make and I plan on doing that. [15:30] good man [15:31] Kilos: I'm not even the one doing the name calling. I don't know why I'm the one you're mad at. [15:32] im not mad at you lad just ive seen peeps before argue with the fly but in the end he is the one that is right [15:32] anyone got their hands on ubuntu phone or rasp-pi2? [15:32] many years of using linux professional gives one the background to know what is best normally [15:35] hi gremble [15:35] Good afternoon fellas [15:35] Hey Kilos [15:35] damn, gradle fetched 100/160M of dependencies before I dc'd, now it restarted the download [15:35] ai! [15:35] magellanic: it uses wget if I recall, so it should continue where it leaves off? [15:35] it sure didn't continue here.. [15:35] wget -c [15:35] Ouch [15:36] That is quite unfortunate. Also hello [15:36] I don't know where it saves to either [15:36] wget saves in /home [15:36] may have found it, in /tmp, brb [15:39] sigh, tried wget -c, with -o /tmp/partialfile, now I have to restart it [15:40] -o was wrong :/ [15:41] what happens if you copy what is in /tmp to /home then wget -c [15:42] hi poppingtonic [15:42] Hi Kilos [15:42] welcome to ubuntu-za [15:42] the partial file was 120M, I had to use -O, I used -o, which logs output to file, so it started logging to the partial and destroyed it [15:42] thanks. I'm from #nairobilug [15:43] ah [15:43] welcome poppingtonic [15:44] poppingtonic you can also join #ubuntu-africa [15:46] hi magespawn [15:46] good afternoon [15:47] hey Kilos [15:47] zipper why arent you in #ubuntu-africa too [15:47] did you but any of the ubuntu-afric code in bzr/launchpad? [15:48] ubuntu-africa [15:48] yes magespawn but ive messed up i think, want to get the fly to connect with this pc and see it running locally [15:49] it runs lekker here [15:49] but i went wrong routes i think [15:50] i was going to say, when i had a loo at the link you gave me for launchpad there is no code there [15:50] s/loo/look [15:50] i cant get it to push to launchpad [15:51] ahh [15:51] i am sure superfly will be able to tell what is going wrong [15:51] bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-76781840:///%2Bbranch/ubuntu-za/.bz/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport [15:51] thats what it tells me [15:52] did you google? [15:52] no man i feel bad hassling him all the time. he is busy [15:53] yes google says wow google cannot tind anything [15:53] s/tind/find [15:53] hassling google? [15:54] ive worn google [15:54] worn out [15:54] wow that is impressive [15:54] lol and i hate googling, always get wrong stuff [15:56] and pages that lead to more and more pages [15:56] then i get lost [15:59] i have found some stuff, as soon as it loads and i can read it i will pass the links along [15:59] ty [15:59] The google-fu is weak in this one [15:59] * Trixar_za runs [16:02] https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/145088 [16:02] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/leo-editor/AsrEMkJkTG8 [16:02] ty [16:02] https://bugs.launchpad.net/qbzr/+bug/1094810 [16:03] these all seem similar to your problem [16:03] but have a detailed read and see if it applies [16:04] lemme try Probably either bzr unlock or bzr unlock2 will solve your problem. [16:04] this is all new, so we are bound to make mistakes here [16:05] my hassle came in with getting everything from ubuntu-za i think and then editting the conf files [16:06] but it runs so lekker locally [16:08] ai! bzr: ERROR: unknown command "unlock" [16:08] with both commands [16:08] * Kilos reads further [16:10] bzr break-lock did something but with no feedback [16:11] maybe i should wait for fly before i make it worse [16:12] might be a good idea [16:12] yeah otherwise he sjamboks me [16:12] lol [16:13] hehe [16:13] they gave him a hippohide one too [16:18] magespawn do you have teamviewer? [16:19] i need to check mine too, didnt work last time ian needed it [16:21] I have a perfectly maintained arch system for the last three years [16:21] I can't even maintain a linux mint system for a couple of months [16:21] haha [16:22] I get a random python error whenever I do something in bash [16:22] hehe [16:23] I don't even feel bad [16:23] haha [16:23] this kde 14.04 is about 1 year ols with no hassles apart fro when i zeroed the wrong drive [16:23] s/ols/old [16:24] I'm going to nuke it [16:24] haha [16:24] And install windows [16:24] eish [16:24] * gremble vomits [16:24] Ya. I need windows for SAS and Altera [16:24] so I can use my FPGA [16:25] Getting it to work on linux is a hassle [16:25] what are them things [16:25] Maaz define SAS [16:25] Kilos: SAS n 1: a specialist regiment of the British army that is trained in commando techniques of warfare and used in clandestine operations (especially against terrorist groups) [syn: {Special Air Service}, {SAS}], SAS Session Active Screen (IBM) , SAS Simulation Automation System , SAS Statistical Analysis System , SAS Single Attachment Station (FDDI) [16:25] hehe [16:26] SAS is some business analytics bullshit programming language thing that we use for statistical analysis [16:26] and an FPGA is a field programmable gate array. It is a piece of hardware on which you develop microchips essentially. [16:26] Hardware simulation etc [16:26] aha [16:28] i should actually join a channel for noobs [16:28] gremble: VirtualBox? [16:28] ah, FPGA [16:29] superfly, I have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get it running here [16:29] Hardware wise [16:29] yeah [16:29] So I might as well just skip it all [16:29] I've done some cool stuff emulating serial ports and stuff, but FPGA is a different matter [16:30] I will have to sit and get it to work with linux some time [16:30] But not today [16:30] I just want to play now [16:30] lol [16:30] when you do keep detailed records of how to do it [16:32] I'm going to write those records and then sha-512 them and tell the CSIR that I am the only one that knows how to do it [16:32] :P [16:32] lol [16:38] hold them to ransom? :) [16:38] anyone in Cpt interested in the google I/O extended viewing party: https://plus.google.com/events/cqlm8speeh32melhm9r9dp81ccs, you are invited [17:25] just ran ping, and i got the second packet back first [17:25] wierd [17:27] thanks all that responded to my question.. sorry, my son woke so i dissapeared to sort him out, then mow the lawns etc etc etc [17:40] haha magellanic something wrong there [17:41] ai! [17:41] that was for magespawn [17:41] hm? [17:41] ah [17:41] sorry [17:42] np [17:55] wb magellanic [17:55] ai! [17:55] magespawn [18:17] magellanic: are you involved with that sort of thing? GDG, etc? [18:19] so... hostname newname and editing /etc/hosts then rebooting does not change my hostname (name at login)... confusing me [18:19] lol join the family [18:20] * Kilos totally confussed as well [18:20] captine: see /etc/hostname [18:20] good evening [18:20] hi inetpro [18:20] thanks inetpro [18:21] i am trying to get a script to do the change, for when I clone a kvm machine [18:21] superfly: yep, I'm one of the organizers for the local gdg [18:21] inetpro 13 days to complete your wiki page [18:21] heya inetpro [18:22] captine: hmm... not sure if it's that simple these day but I think that is how I used to change hostnames [18:22] magellanic: hi [18:23] good to see you around again [18:23] captine: how old is the son now? [18:23] the command "sudo hostname newname" is meant to change it, but once rebooting, it goes back to the original [18:23] he is 1 year and 1 month [18:23] sjoe [18:23] few more weeks he will be 1 year and 2 months [18:23] still small [18:23] :). yip. his sister arrives in 1.5 weeks... [18:23] yay [18:24] so might go off irc etc for a few weeks/months/years :) [18:24] just notify us first please [18:24] we need to pass out the cigars [18:25] hang on captine i had to do this for my asterisk box on centos [18:25] let me think [18:25] captine: the hostname command changes it on the runtime, does not persist it in config, so it has to be changed in config as well [18:25] zipper: git was made popular by github but there's nothing wrong with bzr [18:26] /etc/hostname sounds about right [18:26] magespawn, trying now.. want to do a script once i get the manual method nailed [18:29] you have to edit /etc/hostname to make it permanent [18:29] superfly: what is nice about git is that you even get git clients like SGit for Android these days [18:30] magellanic: you know Dale? [18:30] captine on ubuntu i am assuming [18:30] uip [18:30] got it to work [18:31] ineptro i think github has their own app out now too [18:31] would be nice if we could get an equivalent for bzr [18:32] superfly: yes. I'm hiren :) [18:32] magellanic: ah! [18:32] magellanic: my apologies, nick<->name [18:32] captine i think that uses a system script to set the hostname at boot [18:32]