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| * Denza252 wonders when dogecoin-qt will be packaged | 01:48 | |
| rww | considering that bitcoin-qt got removed from the repositories at upstream's request, probably never | 01:52 |
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| rww | iirc there's a PPA for it | 01:53 |
| Flutterwhat | is it a good idea or bad idea to run Kubuntu from a USB 2.0 flash drive | 04:24 |
| Flutterwhat | so far things are slow as molassas | 04:24 |
| OerHeks | Any OS will run slow, but is it bad? i don't think so. | 04:24 |
| Flutterwhat | This sony vaio laptop has no internal drive currently, but when i do get one, will i be able to clone what's on the USB flash drive onto the internal and have it be bootable and what not? | 04:25 |
| OerHeks | With a little work you can, i would do a fresh install and copy data | 04:27 |
| Flutterwhat | allright. cool. | 04:27 |
| Flutterwhat | I really enjoy kubuntu. it's becoming my favorite linux distro. and this is coming from a die hard mac user | 04:27 |
| Flutterwhat | but after being forced to spend five months with outdate PowerPC machines and software, ressurecting this beat up sony vaio i found in a dumpster and installing kubuntu has been a godsend. | 04:28 |
| Flutterwhat | ~*~*~free hardware and free software~*~*~ | 04:29 |
| OerHeks | :-D | 04:29 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 06:13 |
| mattnpat | Hi. | 06:14 |
| lordievader | Hey mattnpat, how are you? | 06:16 |
| mattnpat | Ok. | 06:16 |
| mattnpat | Ugh. | 06:16 |
| mattnpat | I'm feeling awkward/ | 06:16 |
| mattnpat | My dad thinks I'm gay, and it's kinda made me feel weird for the netire week. | 06:17 |
| mattnpat | Y'see I didn't have a moment to clarify, I don't think I will. | 06:17 |
| lordievader | Family relations are allways difficult. | 06:19 |
| mattnpat | Yeah. | 06:19 |
| mattnpat | Well, this is a tech support IRC. | 06:19 |
| mattnpat | I'll keep it to myself. | 06:19 |
| lordievader | mattnpat: We got an #kubuntu-offtopic ;) | 06:22 |
| mattnpat | IUgh. | 06:22 |
| mattnpat | I'll go there. | 06:22 |
| mattnpat | I'm always looking for new places to be idle. | 06:23 |
| Chhai | hello | 06:27 |
| lordievader | o/ | 06:27 |
| Chhai | can someone please help? | 06:28 |
| mattnpat | With what? | 06:28 |
| mattnpat | If I may ask. | 06:28 |
| lordievader | !ask | Chhai | 06:29 |
| ubottu | Chhai: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 06:29 |
| Chhai | after i installed kubuntu on my chromebook i got this "An error occurred while accessing '10.2 GiB Removable Media', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred.: Not Authorized: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.4" (uid=0 pid=12481 comm="/usr/lib/udisks/udisks-daemon ") interface="org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority" member="CheckAuth | 06:29 |
| Chhai | I can't install anything | 06:30 |
| Chhai | can not mount any drive | 06:30 |
| lordievader | Chhai: Looks like authorization for that action fails. | 06:30 |
| Chhai | what do i do? I am new this kubuntu thing | 06:30 |
| lordievader | Chhai: How did you install it? | 06:31 |
| Chhai | through crouton | 06:31 |
| lordievader | Chhai: What happens when you mount things through the console? | 06:32 |
| Chhai | how do i mount through console? | 06:35 |
| lordievader | Chhai: sudo mount /dev/<device> <some-folder> | 06:35 |
| Chhai | ok i don't see no device name just this | 06:37 |
| Chhai | "10.2 Gb Removable media | 06:38 |
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| lordievader | Could you pastebin the output of 'lsblk'? | 06:41 |
| lordievader | !paste | Chhai | 06:41 |
| ubottu | Chhai: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 06:41 |
| Chhai | i dont' understand this but please take a look WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/mmcblk0'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.nnnDisk /dev/mmcblk0: 15.8 GB, 15758000128 bytesn256 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1908 cylinders, total 30777344 sectorsnUnits = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytesnSector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytesnI/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytesnDisk ident | 06:44 |
| lordievader | Chhai: This is why I asked you to use pastebin, this is unreadable. But it will do for now. Does you system have other storage besides the sd-card? | 06:46 |
| Chhai | no i don't think so. | 06:48 |
| hateball | if it's a chromebook, doesnt it have some internal flash storage? | 06:49 |
| lordievader | Chhai: mkdir /mnt/sdcard&&sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0 /mnt/sdcard | 06:49 |
| Chhai | it does. but it said the same thing. "cannot mount" access denied | 06:51 |
| Chhai | lordievader http://paste.ubuntu.com/10251358/ | 06:53 |
| lordievader | Chhai: Ah, I am to blaim for that: sudo mkdir /mnt/sdcard && sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0 /mnt/sdcard | 06:54 |
| Chhai | lordievader http://paste.ubuntu.com/10251410/ | 06:56 |
| lordievader | Chhai: Is there anything in that dir? | 06:56 |
| lordievader | sudo ls /mnt/sdcard | 06:56 |
| Chhai | lordievader nothing | 07:00 |
| lordievader | Chhai: Okay: sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0 /mnt/sdcard | 07:01 |
| Chhai | lordievader mount: /dev/mmcblk0 already mounted or /mnt/sdcard busyn | 07:03 |
| lordievader | Chhai: "mount|grep mmcblk0" where is it mounted? | 07:04 |
| Chhai | lordievader thank you very much for trying to help me out. I think i will try to reinstall and see how it goes. | 07:07 |
| soee | good morning | 07:13 |
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| VolUTFan | What is a good channel to discuss and get some help with bash scripting in Kubuntu 14.10 Plasma5 | 08:57 |
| valorie | VolUTFan: perhaps #plasma | 08:58 |
| lordievader | VolUTFan: Is it just about bash scripting, or specifically scripting for plasma5? | 08:59 |
| VolUTFan | just plain ol bash scripting. I am writing a sh file for reinstall of packages. I have had to reinstall kubuntu 14.10 plasma5 like 10 times in a row on my box. For some reason the Plasma5 desktop stops responding on fresh install and all I am left with is a blank kicker panel and can only use yakuake in order to manually launch apps. | 09:01 |
| VolUTFan | sooo, instead of me spending manual time reinstalling apps, figured I would bash the thing | 09:02 |
| VolUTFan | I found #bash but not sure if that is the best option | 09:02 |
| lordievader | VolUTFan: Then I'd recommend #bash. | 09:03 |
| VolUTFan | thanks lordie | 09:03 |
| VolUTFan | anyone else here running plasma5? | 09:04 |
| valorie | I am | 09:04 |
| VolUTFan | before I go, I wanted to know if you was experiencing the same thing I am | 09:04 |
| lordievader | At times. | 09:04 |
| valorie | I've never experienced what you describe | 09:04 |
| VolUTFan | how about glitchy and slow gui | 09:04 |
| lordievader | I've never seen it either. | 09:04 |
| valorie | although when I still had lightdm installed, it caused problems | 09:04 |
| VolUTFan | I installed from scratch | 09:05 |
| valorie | ditched it, and it's golden | 09:05 |
| VolUTFan | so lightdm was the root of your problems | 09:05 |
| valorie | for awhile plasma was crashing, but since the last updates, solid | 09:05 |
| valorie | having lightdm AND sddm was the problem | 09:05 |
| valorie | those who have stuck with lightdm are doing OK | 09:05 |
| VolUTFan | is lightdm also in the installation disk for Plasma5? | 09:06 |
| VolUTFan | or is that if you upgrade from plasma4 | 09:06 |
| valorie | I had the next PPA back in 14.04 I believe | 09:06 |
| valorie | I know what it was -- I used to have everything in /opt | 09:07 |
| valorie | once that was fully purged, those problems ended | 09:07 |
| VolUTFan | well I was noticing the developers put the next ppa in the sources.list.d folder now instead of directly in the sources.list file | 09:07 |
| lordievader | VolUTFan: It is probably still on the disk. And else, with an internet connection can easily be installed. | 09:07 |
| valorie | sorry for the confusion | 09:08 |
| VolUTFan | no problem | 09:08 |
| VolUTFan | i checked, and fortunally lightdm is not on my box | 09:08 |
| VolUTFan | thats good | 09:09 |
| VolUTFan | thanks guys | 09:09 |
| identix | support in here or in #kubuntu-offtopic ? | 09:27 |
| Tm_T | identix: here of course | 09:27 |
| identix | Hi.. long time debian/ubuntu and variant user but am having major problems with kubuntu 14.04.1 on a gateway netbook regarding the touchpad.. | 09:28 |
| identix | never have I had any issues regarding the mouse or touchpad on ANY other systems i've installed it on (including dell netbooks) | 09:28 |
| identix | I just can't figure out why on earth it's going haywire | 09:29 |
| identix | i'm not too sure how to be more specific regarding this... it's a if the touchpad isn't calibrated? or configured properly. t doesn't move properly nor left/right clicks work correctly | 09:30 |
| identix | possibly a mixup with a setting for a wheel that doesn't exist - i'm not sure | 09:31 |
| identix | does anybody have any ideas on where I can start or what I am not doing properly? | 09:31 |
| valorie | identix: do you have driver-manager? | 09:34 |
| valorie | try alt+f2 and type it in | 09:34 |
| valorie | if you have it, it will pop up | 09:34 |
| valorie | or even just type driver | 09:34 |
| identix | ok let me check .. | 09:37 |
| identix | thanks valorie | 09:37 |
| valorie | I use my touchpad instead of a mouse, and rely on it to work right | 09:37 |
| identix | lately i've been running freebsd locally and bsd or solaris on my servers so it's been a couple years since i've used an xwin environment | 09:38 |
| identix | but last time i ran kubuntu (9.04 I think) i never had issues with my touchpad | 09:39 |
| valorie | does KDE run on freebsd? | 09:39 |
| identix | yes but I used xfce | 09:39 |
| valorie | cool | 09:39 |
| identix | use* | 09:39 |
| identix | I am setting up a friend's netbook with linux so I'm trying to get him all setup with an easy-to-use OS | 09:40 |
| valorie | very kind of you to do that | 09:40 |
| identix | due to the fact he is a microsoft native | 09:40 |
| identix | thank you | 09:40 |
| identix | he has too many security issues | 09:41 |
| identix | I am tempted to install gentoo, harden the kernel and compile * | 09:41 |
| identix | but I want him to be able to learn and also not scare him away from open source | 09:41 |
| valorie | tell him that we are friendly | 09:42 |
| valorie | here and on the user list both | 09:42 |
| identix | driver-manager is showing me nada | 09:45 |
| identix | most definately. | 09:45 |
| identix | i am writing scripts to make almost everything seamlessly automated | 09:45 |
| identix | such as a fw monitor for iptables etc | 09:45 |
| identix | this is the first i've ran KDE in a LONG time | 09:46 |
| identix | and this touchpad thing is bothering me a bit | 09:46 |
| identix | I just don't understand. it's as if it thinks the pad is a scroll wheel or button | 09:46 |
| identix | i think | 09:46 |
| valorie | hmmm | 09:46 |
| identix | maybe it's late and i'm exhausted but I must finish this task.. | 09:47 |
| valorie | I've not heard anybody else raise the issue | 09:47 |
| identix | any movement of the touchpad creates the action a right click would do by default | 09:48 |
| identix | i know it's something simple | 09:48 |
| identix | i just can't get to the setting/get the setting correct | 09:48 |
| valorie | I wonder if there is a config file | 09:50 |
| valorie | it would be in ~/.kde/share/apps or /share/config | 09:51 |
| valorie | I can't check as I'm now running plasma5 and the configs have moved | 09:51 |
| identix | i will look... i have no browser at my disposal except lynx | 09:53 |
| identix | so i will consult it shortly .. | 09:53 |
| valorie | you'll have dolphin, the file manager | 09:54 |
| identix | and navigate utilizing the keyboard? | 09:58 |
| identix | true | 09:58 |
| identix | something simply isn't right | 09:58 |
| identix | i'm half tempted to reinstall xwin | 09:59 |
| valorie | well, one of the first things I always do in a new install is add yakuake | 09:59 |
| valorie | which pops down a konsole instance with the click of f12 | 10:00 |
| valorie | but I see your point | 10:00 |
| identix | yeah atm i am merely utilizing irssi in console (ctrl + alt + F2) | 10:09 |
| identix | more often than not I am using console so xwin is not very common | 10:09 |
| valorie | I have to have my guis | 10:09 |
| valorie | but so often the console is quicker and easier | 10:09 |
| identix | hehe yeah i use my tablet for graphical stuff | 10:10 |
| identix | yes console is more... well..... robust | 10:10 |
| * valorie has no tablet, just this laptop | 10:10 | |
| identix | i see | 10:10 |
| valorie | and a phone, I guess that counts a bit too | 10:10 |
| identix | gui's are good don't get me wrong | 10:10 |
| identix | i always have one installed on a personal (non-server) machine | 10:10 |
| valorie | especially for beginners, or those who don't enjoy the cli | 10:11 |
| identix | yep | 10:11 |
| identix | or are learning it | 10:11 |
| identix | i will jump on some forums via lynx i suppose | 10:11 |
| identix | first i may try a couple more things | 10:12 |
| valorie | for me, I would not enjoy irssi, and I didn't like email in the console either | 10:12 |
| identix | ah... that's all i use :) | 10:14 |
| identix | granted my mailserver runs on an openbsd machine | 10:15 |
| valorie | I'm looking at the bug reports, and don't see anything likely | 10:15 |
| identix | but for actual mail I utilize a modified ver of squirrel mail (web mail) | 10:15 |
| identix | right i may just reinstall xwin | 10:15 |
| identix | or somehtinng | 10:15 |
| identix | somewhere somethinng went fubar | 10:15 |
| identix | irssi FTW | 10:16 |
| identix | :) | 10:16 |
| valorie | !touchpad | 10:16 |
| ubottu | For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad | 10:16 |
| valorie | well | 10:16 |
| identix | i'll look there first | 10:16 |
| valorie | I expected nothing; thank you ubottu | 10:16 |
| identix | thanks | 10:16 |
| valorie | ah, I forgot synaptics | 10:16 |
| valorie | identix: one thing you could try is logging out, and logging into a guest account | 10:17 |
| valorie | if it works for your guest, then you know some setting got hosed | 10:18 |
| valorie | but on a new install that is unlikely | 10:18 |
| identix | indeed | 10:21 |
| identix | thanks valorie | 10:21 |
| identix | i will join a client back to freenode and let you know what i learn | 10:21 |
| identix | take care | 10:21 |
| * valorie will probably be in bed.....2:30am here | 10:22 | |
| valorie | best of luck | 10:22 |
| identix | thanks :) | 10:25 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Good morning folks, has anyone come across an issue of having no printers registered with LibreOffice on Plasma5, even thought the Printers are configured for the rest of the KDE Applications ? | 11:06 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Just thought I would ask before raising a Bug, maybe I am doing something stupid/ | 11:06 |
| soee | Sick_Rimmit: Writer sees shared printer for me | 11:33 |
| soee | im on Vivid with Plasma 5 | 11:33 |
| Sick_Rimmit | soee: Hi, hmm do you have Cups installed ? | 11:36 |
| soee | Sick_Rimmit: yes | 11:37 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Can you connect to CUPS on local 631 ? | 11:37 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Weird, I can't | 11:38 |
| Sick_Rimmit | My browsers FF and Chr both see the shared printers, but the rest of my KDE Apps and LibrO | 11:39 |
| Sick_Rimmit | do not | 11:39 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Curious as cups-browsed is running | 11:40 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah well, I'm not gonna dig any further for now I understand print-manager has been ported to KF5, and is awaiting release, so I will do some testing once I have it | 11:41 |
| soee | :) | 11:42 |
| soee | Sick_Rimmit: i can connect on 631 | 11:42 |
| soee | CUPS 2.0.2 | 11:42 |
| Sick_Rimmit | soee: Right.. that's weird then. Your running Kubuntu Tech preview Plasma 5, yes ? | 11:44 |
| soee | Yes the Alpha 2 with latest updates | 11:44 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Hmm let me just check my sources, I think I might have Riddell PPA still active | 11:45 |
| Sick_Rimmit | soee: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extra-pppas.list | 11:47 |
| soee | Sick_Rimmit: i have no such file | 11:49 |
| Sick_Rimmit | my typo should be extra-ppas.list | 11:50 |
| Sick_Rimmit | but maybe you have no ppa's setup | 11:50 |
| soee | Sick_Rimmit: all i have in this dir is: owncloud-client.list owncloud-client.list.save vivaldi.list webupd8team-ubuntu-java-vivid.list xorg-edgers-ubuntu-ppa-vivid.list xorg-edgers-ubuntu-ppa-vivid.list.save | 11:50 |
| Sick_Rimmit | OK, cool I think I'll comment that ppa out on my box, and run an update see what happens | 11:51 |
| Sick_Rimmit | thanks soee | 11:53 |
| soee | Sick_Rimmit: np | 11:54 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 12:13 |
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| djibb | Hi all ;) I have installed a fresh 14.10 kubuntu. On it, I've added kubuntu-ci/unstable-daily ppa in order to have kstars-bleeding. But when i ran kubuntu, it get stucks just after opening the session. Any idea ? Do I have to install another ppa ? (in order to have Qt54 | 16:17 |
| AciD` | hi, is there a way to make kde recognize exfat usb key ? so far I need to manually `mount /dev/sdx2 /mnt/foo/` in order to mount it as it's not listed in the device list | 16:23 |
| Salesman2k15 | hi lads | 16:31 |
| Salesman2k15 | fuckin dead in here too | 16:33 |
| ADAM_LANZA | is anyone in here from Boston? | 16:33 |
| Fritigern | Maybe. Why, wanna rob someone? :-) | 16:34 |
| Riddell | too much negativity people | 16:35 |
| Fritigern | No no no no no! I am not being negative. That is negatory, and i will deny it! | 16:36 |
| Salesman2k15 | look | 16:36 |
| Salesman2k15 | is anyone here into analsex with women? | 16:36 |
| Salesman2k15 | or is it just me | 16:36 |
| ADAM_LANZA | I'm selling some Boston Celtics shirts | 16:36 |
| Fritigern | It's just you | 16:37 |
| OerHeks | !ot | 16:37 |
| ubottu | #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! | 16:37 |
| OerHeks | even #kubuntu-offftopic does not tolerate this language | 16:37 |
| Salesman2k15 | what are you, 10 years old | 16:38 |
| ADAM_LANZA | lol | 16:38 |
| Fritigern | Do you hear that ADAM_LANZA? You can;t say "selling" here! :-) | 16:38 |
| ADAM_LANZA | what's anyone gonna do about it | 16:38 |
| ADAM_LANZA | I've got bricks for fists | 16:38 |
| ADAM_LANZA | I'll beat the breaks off a snitch | 16:39 |
| ADAM_LANZA | buy my fucking tshirts | 16:39 |
| Fritigern | OKay, you guys are no fun. I'll go and do somethig more fun, like take out the trash, or repeatedly hit my hand with a hammer. | 16:40 |
| Salesman2k15 | anyone here use a real operating system | 16:40 |
| Salesman2k15 | like FreeBSD | 16:40 |
| ADAM_LANZA | I use redhat | 16:40 |
| Riddell | OerHeks: use !ops if you notice people who need to be kicked | 16:42 |
| OerHeks | I will, next time, Riddell, i was reading on an other page in between. | 16:42 |
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| lionevi | hi everybody! | 18:55 |
| scherenhaenden | hello... my computer is sending information.... | 18:57 |
| scherenhaenden | it has stopped just right now as im writting | 18:57 |
| scherenhaenden | but it was sending information for about 30 mins... like on 1Mbps | 18:58 |
| BluesKaj | scherenhaenden: sending information in what mode ? in the terminal or..? | 18:59 |
| scherenhaenden | BluesKaj: well i dont actually know | 19:02 |
| scherenhaenden | i was trying to find out... it is not the first time... i just like to know if i have someone sniffing on my stuff | 19:02 |
| BluesKaj | ok scherenhaenden how do you know it's "sending information" ...saying you just know doesn't hel;p us | 19:03 |
| scherenhaenden | BluesKaj: cuz i always have the system monitor open, and it shows me that the computer is sending info, but i dont find anything | 19:04 |
| BluesKaj | so which process(es) are you monitoring ? | 19:06 |
| BluesKaj | scherenhaenden: ^ | 19:06 |
| scherenhaenden | well... monitoring... as it.. nothing... i was on panick, i did an netstat... then i opened quasel, to write about this here down... as i wrote... it just stopped :S | 19:07 |
| BluesKaj | scherenhaenden: do you have automatic updates/upgrades turned on in the software center? | 19:08 |
| scherenhaenden | i do that everything by myself, anyhow, i came today back home from berlin, and i did the updates/upgrades... all by myself... it began later... n it happens like once a month | 19:09 |
| scherenhaenden | but i dont know what to do... n its kind of creppy... cuz ive just went offlike... and back, and it began to send information again | 19:10 |
| BluesKaj | so do you have iptables and fw setup to block unwanted probes ? | 19:10 |
| scherenhaenden | no... to be clear... ive just did a netstat... | 19:11 |
| BluesKaj | "it began to send information again" so what is "it" in th eprocess table that is actively sending info ? | 19:12 |
| scherenhaenden | BluesKaj: i was a bit on panick looking in internet what to do... but i have the result on excel | 19:12 |
| scherenhaenden | i didnt see the process table complete at that point... :( maybe i gotta doo it by next time | 19:13 |
| scherenhaenden | BluesKaj: i dont knowo if io can do anything with this result | 19:13 |
| BluesKaj | scherenhaenden: which netsat command are you using to see what's sniffing your connection? | 19:14 |
| scherenhaenden | :~$ netstat | 19:15 |
| scherenhaenden | ive just installed fwbuilder | 19:17 |
| BluesKaj | scherenhaenden: a better command is netstat -s , it gives a rundown on what's active with identifiers | 19:18 |
| scherenhaenden | jep... i was on panick... i was trying to do something... ill let it now... cuz it is not sending information anymore... so i cant do anything... but nexttime gonna try to stay calm and try to find out what it could be | 19:19 |
| scherenhaenden | BluesKaj: im gonna go back to work see ya... thanks for everything! | 19:20 |
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| hewi_ | evening all | 21:37 |
| hewi_ | hewi, 3 years+ kubuntu, currently doing drupal/git tutorial, wants to find out about 'good' screen capture video program | 21:44 |
| hewi_ | any ideas? | 21:44 |
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