[07:30] <knightwise> yoyo
[07:52] <Guest83501> morning all
[07:53] <MooDoo> raa
[07:57] <knightwise> mownin :)
[07:57] <knightwise> how are you this fine monday ?
[08:03] <MooDoo> tired
[08:03] <knightwise> rough weekend ?
[08:04] <MooDoo> weekend was fine, son was poorly and projectiled at 00:45 in the morning :(
[08:04] <knightwise> ouch
[08:04] <knightwise> not fun
[08:05] <zmoylan-pi> to learn so young not to like mondays... hope he's recovering well
[08:06] <knightwise> Going to try out Ubuntu on my Surface pro today for an entire day
[08:06] <knightwise> see how it holds up
[08:06] <knightwise> have to find out how to enable hibernate / suspend
[08:07] <knightwise> still cant believe canonical dropped that functionality in Ubuntu
[08:11] <zmoylan-pi> i have never in my life suspended or hibernated a laptop... willingly.  though i do think it should be available as an option for those as needs it
[08:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:12] <knightwise> my wife hasnt rebooted her mac for 79 days. She just opens en closes the lid
[08:12] <knightwise> and that is how its supposed to be I think$
[08:12] <knightwise> morning brobostigon
[08:13] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:14] <zmoylan-pi> works for some.  i wanted every last watt of battery life for usage so that ruled out suspend and with windows a clean boot cleared up /problems/ and on linux it was fast booting enough to make no difference
[08:17] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: agreed. i still need to get it working on this surface :)  Would be cool to be able to suspend resume instead of having to bootup
[08:17] <knightwise> although bootup time is lightning fast
[09:28] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:43] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 how are you this fine day
[09:43] <davmor2> It's Monday and I'm in meetings :)
[09:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: shit then :D
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> wait wait, are donuts provided in the meeting...?
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Innovation Day! :-D
[10:00] <MooDoo> morning
[10:01] <JamesTait> o/ MooDoo
[10:02] <popey> zmoylan-pi: Doughnuts over video chat...
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> well then you can mute it and replace your image with a carefully crafted glove puppet :-)
[10:18] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:19] <MooDoo> howdy bigcalm
[10:19] <knightwise> hey MooDoo , bigcalm
[10:19] <bigcalm> o/
[10:24] <intrbiz> morning
[10:31]  * davmor2 quickly throws together an lego arm that high fives JamesTait and remotely slaps him a high five....How's that for innovation :D
[10:33] <renato95> hi
[10:33] <renato95> accidentally I wrote "$ sudo chmod -R 755 /lib"
[10:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, like http://youtu.be/m3fmMM_1wBc ?
[10:34] <renato95> have I corrupted the system?
[10:35] <popey> renato95: you may find things are a bit broken, yes
[10:35] <renato95> fuck...
[10:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: no I type !slap JamesTait and it does if you're quick enough it only hits your hand and all of it is lego :D
[10:36] <renato95> but in the folder's property nothing is changed
[10:37] <popey> renato95: well, some things in that folder are already 755, but something else may not be. you might be okay.
[10:38] <renato95> how do i past images?
[10:38] <renato95> *post
[10:41] <popey> ...
[10:42] <renato95> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/OKmmyiTIS7aVNZQQ2GY6
[10:43] <renato95> here you can see the properties
[10:43] <renato95> of the folder
[10:43] <davmor2> renato95: yeah but that is the properties of the folder after you changed it
[10:43] <renato95> yes
[10:44] <renato95> but all the other folders look the same
[10:46]  * SuperMatt wonders if renato is the renato that he knows, or if it's just a popular name
[10:47] <renato95> "SuperMatt wonders if renato is the renato that he knows, or if it's just a popular name"?? hahah!!
[10:48] <SuperMatt> well I don't know!
[10:50] <renato95> * -
[11:03] <knightwise> hmmm
[11:03] <knightwise> mondays
[11:03] <knightwise> wish it had a "next" or "skip" button
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> over dose on donuts and wake up on tuesday...
[11:03] <davmor2> knightwise: but then tuesday becomes the new Monday
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> tuesday becomes the day you wake up in a strange town wondering how you got there so you'll be busy and distracted
[11:06] <knightwise> true.
[11:07] <knightwise> Stupid kickstand on the Surface pro 1 .. only has one setting and the angle is not ideal
[11:07] <knightwise> Need to look for an alternative somewhere
[11:08] <knightwise> for the rest : Fantastic machine to run ubunt on
[11:09] <popey> yeah, they fixed that in the surface pro 2 I believe
[11:10] <knightwise> true
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> microsoft often get so much right and then skimp on the little things that drive you bonkers. i think the stand was sorted in pro 2
[11:10] <knightwise> for the moment i'm using a tablet mount to get it sorted
[11:10] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: agreed. for the rest .. the screen is fantastic
[11:10] <knightwise> samsung could learn something from this display
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> no expense was spared in the screen by all accounts
[11:18] <knightwise> love the resolution. I think the only machine that can top this at the moment is the nex XPS13
[11:20] <knightwise> just need to iron out some quirks
[12:33] <davmor2> popey: I hate you, by the way, crossy road 250 jumps, Machines vs machines hard level 3, uu level 42 can you guess how I spent my weekend
[12:34] <davmor2> popey: uu gets too monotonous is my only complaint
[12:44] <popey> haha
[12:44] <bigcalm> !rat
[12:44]  * bigcalm sneaks back to work
[12:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: big hint it's not very sneaky to announce it ;)
[14:12] <davmor2> bigcalm, intrbiz: anyone else want to write pole on the end of adam's wolveslist email?
[14:13] <intrbiz> davmor2: very good, took me a while to work that one out
[14:16] <diddledan> o_O
[14:19] <davmor2> diddledan: mailing list role call for the lug meeting we got a. ron m. bigcalm t. Ad z. intrbiz
[14:29] <diddledan> really? apparently iphone users will discriminate against people that send them a message which appears as a "green bubble" instead of a "blue bubble" (blue means it's an imessage, green means it's sms)
[14:31] <diddledan> ref: https://medium.com/message/its-kind-of-cheesy-being-green-2c72cc9e5eda
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> well about 10% of irish males have some blue-green colour blindness :-)
[14:58] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: so they are there all wondering why they keep getting sms about enlarging the privates and emails from phone numbers then :)
[19:29] <SuperEngineer> Anyone know about the requirements of in-car audio players [SD card slot]?
[19:30] <SuperEngineer> What format required? Can they read fat32? will they recurse directories? etc.
[19:32] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: manual should tell you, on the whole they will by default read whatever an sdcard is formatted in by default normally fat32, and on the whole will play mp3's that it finds on the card, what format is displayed is anyones guess
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> cheers, davmor2
[19:38]  * SuperEngineer copies podcasts to sd card ;0
[19:43] <SuperEngineer> [I would go to the car & fetch the manual - if it wasn't p'ing down atm - so here's hoping ;)
[20:29] <qwerty> I'm using ubuntu, one hour ago I wrote on the command line "sudo chmod -R 755 /lib"... If I reboot my computer do I have some error?
[20:29] <Guest49464> I'm using ubuntu, one hour ago I wrote on the command line "sudo chmod -R 755 /lib"... If I reboot my computer do I have some error?
[20:34] <shauno> I realise it's bad form to answer a question with a question.  But why did you do that?
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> (subtle shauno)
[20:40] <shauno> well, I mean I assume there's an underlying problem that he's trying to solve here
[20:42] <Guest49464> answer my question please
[20:43] <Guest49464> will I have some issue?
[20:43] <shauno> luckily /lib is one of the safest places to make such an oops.  there's no bin, no libexec, so nothing that's suid, very little magic in there
[20:43] <Guest49464> and so?
[20:44] <Guest49464> i ensure me that i will not have problems?
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: some binaries are in there
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: for udev etc
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> Guest49464: it's hard to be sure
[20:49] <Guest49464> so?
[20:49] <Guest49464> will I have issues?
[20:49] <Guest49464> because i don't know if i can shudown my computer this night
[20:50] <Guest49464> i have an exam in few days and i have to use this computer
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> Guest49464: It is hard to say. There might be problems, there might not be
[20:50] <popey> nobody can say for sure.
[20:50] <popey> so, backup & re-install is the "best" option.
[20:51] <Guest49464> is there a way to undo the command?
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> restore from a previous backup
[20:51] <popey> yes, restore from backup
[20:51] <Guest49464> i have no backups
[20:52] <Guest49464> is there a command i can type?
[20:52] <popey> no
[20:52] <Guest49464> what's the permission of that folder
[20:52] <Guest49464> by default?
[20:52] <popey> its not the folder, its all the files
[20:53] <shauno> the problem is that it's not "that folder" you've changed".  -R changes every single file and folder within it.  that's just over 10,000 files on mine.
[20:53] <popey> you're _probably_ going to be okay
[20:54] <shauno> I suspect at the most you'll break ufw.  but if you have no backups, make some ASAP, else you're tempting murphy
[20:54] <Guest49464> damn
[20:54] <Guest49464> what's ufw?
[20:55] <Guest49464> what's asap?
[20:55] <popey> As Soon As Possible
[20:55] <popey> Uncomplicated FireWall
[20:56] <shauno> (entirely aside, I have no idea why ufw stores its rules in /lib.  that seems wrong)
[20:56] <Guest49464> so it's better i do not shutdown the computer
[20:57] <Guest49464> because i'm afraid i've corrupted something
[20:57] <shauno> honestly, I think your first job should be to backup anything that you'd miss.  if you rebooted right now and it didn't come back, what files would you worry about
[20:58] <shauno> (not that they'd be gone, but you'd be in a much better position to rebuild)
[21:02] <Guest49464> yeah, now listen
[21:02] <Guest49464> suppose i deleted evry single file of the system
[21:02] <Guest49464> suppose that
[21:03] <Guest49464> now, my computer starts with dual boot with windows
[21:03] <Guest49464> if I made a crap... forget what i said before and consider my case
[21:03] <Guest49464> if I maed something wrong
[21:04] <Guest49464> can i work with windows?
[21:06] <popey> I dont understand.
[21:08] <Guest49464> i have dual boot
[21:09] <Guest49464> considering that i could have some issue while booting
[21:09] <popey> what you have done wont have affected windows
[21:10] <Guest49464> so i could use windows
[21:10] <Guest49464> eccelent
[21:12] <Guest49464> are you sure?
[21:14] <popey> yes.
[21:14] <popey> No guarantee you'll be able to get back into Ubuntu though.
[21:14] <popey> But you should be fine.
[21:26] <mapp> evening
[21:45] <mapp> hmm someone accessed my friends betfair account snd placed a £500 bet it won..but still how did someone do it? Only thing i could hink of was malware/spyware on his pc or android phone?
[21:45] <mapp> said it was placed from a virgin media IP in haringey but that could just be a compromised home machine
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> contact them and place a hold on it's payout?
[21:52] <mapp> the account hasnt logged in again or tried to
[21:52] <mapp> and my mate changed pass
[21:53] <mapp> but how could someone havew got access to his ac in the first place beyond the ways i mentioned?
[21:54] <mapp> and is there any way i can check if the IP the login came from is a compromised host?
[22:53] <shauno> man, apt-get upgrade on an old pi makes me realise just how much zippier the new one is
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> pi envy? :-)
[23:01] <shauno> just kinda wish I'd got more than one :)
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> there's an idea... a vending machine in london tube stations selling pis to bored geek commuters... :-)
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> impulse pis
[23:06] <shauno> eh.  by time it made it to galway, we'd have flying cars
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> well with the humpback bridges on that side of the country i'm not sure we don't already :-)
[23:19]  * daftykins clocks in
[23:19] <daftykins> hi all
[23:20]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out the banjo and the lyrics for the klingon opera for the night shift...
[23:23] <daftykins> :)
[23:34] <shauno> a bit random, but it's surprisingly difficult to find plain-text version of the shipping forecast
[23:34] <daftykins> 0o
[23:56] <zmoylan-pi> page scraping from low bandwidth bbc page?
[23:57] <shauno> eh, if I'm gonna scrape I might as well just manhandle the met office's xml
[23:57] <daftykins> D:
[23:57] <shauno> I Did actually find it on a US server, which seems odd