[04:50] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  and other early birds
[04:52] <mazal> Morning everyone
[04:52] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[04:54] <Tonberry> hi
[05:45] <Kilos> hi popp
[05:45] <Kilos> oh
[05:45] <Kilos> rtft
[06:43] <Kilos> morning superfly  inetpro  
[06:43] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:09] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[07:09] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[07:10] <Kilos> hehe
[07:19] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[07:29] <TinuvaMac> morning kilos
[07:38]  * mazal loer in
[07:51] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[07:51]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:52] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[07:52] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[07:52] <Kilos> Maaz  large
[07:52] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[07:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[07:56] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[07:56] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:12] <mazal> Aircon technitian here again. Visit nr 5 now I think
[08:13] <Kilos> lol
[08:13] <mazal> And everytime someone esle , which makes it difficult cos he then don't know what previous guy did
[08:18] <mazal> Removed the pipe and it's completely vrot. Only half of it left. So explain to me how the previous 4 guys did not see that
[08:19] <Kilos> lol
[08:20] <Kilos> some peeps lokk but cannot see
[08:20] <Kilos> look
[08:20] <mazal> You does inetpro always say AI !!!!!!
[08:20] <mazal> how even
[08:20] <Kilos> lol
[08:21] <mazal> Het oom krieket gekyk ?
[08:21] <mazal> Struggled in our first match. Bowling a big problem for this trournament
[09:24] <Brainiarc7> Hello guys
[09:25] <superfly> hi Brainiarc7
[09:26] <Brainiarc7> Hey superfly 
[09:27] <Brainiarc7> I was lurking around the Nairobi Linux User Group mailing list and saw mention of the #ubuntu-za IRC chaneel and thought, why not connect and interact with you guys?
[09:28] <TinuvaMac> all the way from Kenya, heh why not :P
[09:28] <Brainiarc7> Yeah
[09:30] <Brainiarc7> I currently run Arch Linux in a dual boot setup..
[09:30] <Brainiarc7> And Ubuntu in a VM
[09:30] <superfly> Brainiarc7: Kilos is trying to get everyone from Africa together in #ubuntu-africa
[09:30] <Brainiarc7> Nice.
[09:30] <Brainiarc7> You guys know kilos?
[09:31] <Brainiarc7> Wow
[09:31] <superfly> just trying to basically connect Africa together
[09:31] <superfly> Brainiarc7: all too well
[09:31] <Brainiarc7> Nice!
[09:32] <Kilos> hi Brainiarc7  welcome to ubuntu-za
[09:32] <Brainiarc7> Thanks kilos
[09:32] <Kilos> sorry i was asleep
[09:32] <Brainiarc7> Probablu woken up by the IRC notification
[09:32] <Kilos> them nairobi peeps
[09:32] <Kilos> yeah
[09:32] <Brainiarc7> *Probably
[09:32] <Kilos> haha
[09:33] <Brainiarc7> I know that feel....
[09:33] <Kilos> hi Neo31  
[09:34] <Kilos> Brainiarc7  dont forget the channel for the africa getting together is #ubuntu-africa
[09:34] <Brainiarc7> Yeah
[09:35] <Kilos> and if you can , spread the word to other peeps in africa
[10:09] <Kilos> hi drussell  
[10:09] <Kilos> ty superfly  
[10:12] <superfly> sup drussell
[10:12] <drussell> yo yo Kilos & superfly ... how was your weekend?
[10:12] <Kilos> tiring
[10:13] <Kilos> the fly is killing me drussell  
[10:13] <Kilos> actually the pro is and fly sorting my mess ups
[10:14] <Kilos> hi Guest14422  you forgot you nick graeme?
[10:14] <Kilos> hehe
[10:15] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy  
[10:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> ta
[10:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> what happened there I wonder
[10:16] <Kilos> oh i thought lurking incognito
[10:27] <inetpro> yikes!
[10:27]  * inetpro having to catch up again
[10:27] <Kilos> haha
[10:27] <inetpro> Kilos: you talk too much :-)
[10:27] <Kilos> nono man i was asleep
[10:28] <inetpro> ai!
[10:28] <Kilos> its them
[10:36] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[10:36] <magellanic> greets :)
[10:54] <superfly> drussell: Good thanks. Friends, Code. What more can you ask for?
[10:54] <superfly> sup magellanic
[10:55] <magellanic> superfly: :)
[11:31] <stickyboy> Raining in Nairobi.
[11:31] <stickyboy> Finally...
[11:31] <Kilos> rain is good anywhere
[11:36] <Trixar_za> superfly: sandwich and a cold beer?
[11:47] <Kilos> lol
[12:25] <Trixar_za> glass windows are fun
[12:25] <Trixar_za> They have weird dynamics
[12:34] <Trixar_za> http://trixarian.net/windows.jpg
[12:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're playing minetest now?
[12:34] <Kilos> haha
[12:36] <Trixar_za> I have my own server - what do you think? :P
[12:36] <Kilos> looks good
[12:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> ew boring
[12:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> i stopped playing on our server because nobody else played
[12:37] <Kilos> yip alone sucks
[12:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice to build still with others and see what's been done already
[12:37] <Trixar_za> I have a creative server, so you pretty much have everything you could need. Does have a slight survival element.
[12:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> ew, creative is boring too
[12:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> well, for me
[12:38] <Trixar_za> Interesting thing about the window panes is that you can leave out the corner blocks and water and lava sources will stay in place
[12:39] <Trixar_za> Mind you, without the corner, the water and lava will mix, so for lava in water you need to leave the corners in place
[12:40] <Trixar_za> I have too many mods loaded, but it's mostly for fun and to build more stuff
[12:41] <Trixar_za> Guns just to fire at stuff - lol
[12:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm building a rubik's cube
[12:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> which reminds me let me work on it some more
[12:51] <Trixar_za> There's a few physics quarks that are fun to mess with
[12:51] <Trixar_za> Like the worldedit tool doesn't activate physics - so you can technical build air pockets in water and lava
[12:52] <Trixar_za> It does collapse if you build within one block away from the edge
[14:34] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[14:35] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[14:35] <SDCDev> ganit?
[14:35] <SDCDev> ek's in Simon's Town
[14:35] <Kilos> poegaai
[14:35] <Kilos> en jy
[14:35] <SDCDev> Simonstad
[14:35] <Kilos> lekker ne
[14:35] <SDCDev> poesgoed
[14:35] <SDCDev> :p
[14:35] <SDCDev> hahaha jk
[14:35] <SDCDev> sorz for language :(
[14:35] <Kilos> hehe
[14:35] <SDCDev> I dont talk like that usually, but im drunk
[14:35] <Kilos> you naughty
[14:36] <SDCDev> in muzenburg right now, busy having a few beers by the sea, then going to catch the train back to SImons Town
[14:36] <SDCDev> Muizenburg even
[14:36] <SDCDev> afaik
[14:36] <Kilos> they stay a persons true nature comes out when drunk
[14:36] <SDCDev> hahaha
[14:36] <SDCDev> thats why I always get bitches drunk
[14:36] <SDCDev> naat
[14:36] <SDCDev> naaaat :P
[14:36] <Kilos> ai!
[14:36] <SDCDev> :<
[14:36] <Kilos> you naughty
[14:37] <Kilos> how much longer on the touring
[15:43] <arnaudmez> Hi Guys
[15:43] <arnaudmez> Hi Kilos
[15:43] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez  
[15:44] <arnaudmez> guys
[15:44] <Kilos> join the africa channel too , 
[15:44] <Kilos> #ubuntu-africa
[15:44] <Kilos> add it to your favourites
[15:45] <arnaudmez> already done
[15:45] <Kilos> hehe
[15:46] <Kilos> arnaudmez  ask here too the see who answers first
[15:46] <arnaudmez> in a need of a flyer model in svg format.
[15:46] <arnaudmez> preparing an event here arround ubuntu
[15:57] <arnaudmez> for those who find please send me everthing here arnaudmez@gmail.com
[16:10] <mazal> Oi I wish they would change the color of the chrome icon , I keep opening thunderbird when I want to open chrome :P
[16:10] <Kilos> lol
[16:11] <mazal> The revenge of the favourites menu
[16:26] <Kilos> hi octoquad  
[16:26] <octoquad> Hey Kilos
[16:32] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[16:32] <Tonberry> hi
[16:40]  * mazal needs another drill
[17:30] <magespawn> good evening
[17:32] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[17:32] <Kilos> ai! net splits again
[18:10] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:10] <inetpro> good evening
[18:20] <magespawn> hi inetpro 
[18:21] <magespawn> inetpro: do you use cron?
[18:21] <inetpro> magespawn: obviously
[18:22] <Kilos> ohi inetpro  sorry i had scrolled back and couldnt see what was causing the plings
[18:22] <magespawn> inetpro: example?
[18:23] <magespawn> not of cron itself, but what you use it for
[18:23] <Kilos> mazal does that cron stuff
[18:23] <Kilos> crontab i think
[18:24] <Kilos> i stay awake and watch things happen
[18:24] <magespawn> i understand what it does and how, i was curios about a real world example
[18:24] <inetpro> magespawn: man -s5 crontab
[18:25] <magespawn> crontab is where the commands are stored that you want to run, and the times etc
[18:25] <inetpro> see: EXAMPLE CRON FILE
[18:26] <Kilos> so you can start an upgrade late after you have gone to bed etc
[18:26] <Kilos> i spose backups too
[18:27] <magespawn> almost anything you want Kilos 
[18:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:30] <inetpro> magespawn: 0 8,17 * * * /batch/routinejobs > /dev/null 2>&1 # Run routine jobs at 8:00 and 17:00
[18:31] <inetpro> there's one of many real world jobs I have
[18:32] <magespawn> everyday i assume since there is only time specified there
[18:32] <inetpro> correct
[18:33] <inetpro> # minute hour dayomon monoyear dayoweek command
[18:33] <magespawn> and that then runs the file routinejobs with what you have specified there
[18:34] <inetpro> s/file/script/
[18:35] <magespawn> i do not understand "/dev/null 2>&1"
[18:36] <magespawn> is that for the output of routinejobs?
[18:36] <inetpro> magespawn: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10508843/what-is-dev-null-21
[18:37] <inetpro>  /dev/null is the bitbocket
[18:37] <inetpro> bitbucket
[18:37] <inetpro> or dustbin if you may
[18:38] <Kilos> inetpro  shout when you got time please
[18:38] <magespawn> i see
[18:38] <inetpro> in other words redirecting output to nothingness
[18:38] <Kilos> im sure i made a branch for twit but can find it
[18:39] <inetpro> magespawn: 2>&1 redirects standard error (2) to standard output (1), which then discards it as well since standard output has already been redirected
[18:39] <magespawn> that means if there is an error you would not see it
[18:40] <inetpro> magespawn: correct
[18:40] <magespawn> is that wise? i would have thought it would be a good idea to be notified of errors
[18:40] <inetpro> you typically make pretty much sure that errors are dealt with in the script
[18:41] <magespawn> i see, so if there is an error of some sort then the script should have a way to deal with it?
[18:42] <inetpro> definitely
[18:42] <magespawn> so for somebody like me i would leave that out, because i still learning and it would help to see the errors
[18:43] <inetpro> uh
[18:44] <inetpro> magespawn: cron jobs don't run in interactive mode
[18:46] <magespawn> i see, but if i set one up and it fails because of something i have done, or did not take into account etc, i would like to know without having to go back and check
[18:47] <magespawn> that seems like a very useful tool
[18:49] <magespawn> Kilos: this might be easier to read than the man pages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron
[18:49] <Kilos> nono man no place for anything else
[18:50] <Kilos> one thing at a time and one step at a time
[18:50] <magespawn> indeed, store it for reference later then
[18:50] <Kilos> lol ty
[18:51] <Kilos> saved
[18:56] <magespawn> Kilos how good is that machine that you use there?
[18:56] <magespawn> harddrive, ran, processor?
[19:02] <magespawn> inetpro: so batch then would be a folder where you store the scripts that you would like cron to run?
[19:06] <magespawn> hmm if i understand this correctly you can also have cron pass data to the command that you have cron execute
[19:07] <Kilos> mine here is lekker magespawn  
[19:07] <Kilos> 1tb drive 4g ddr3 
[19:07] <Kilos> only 3g dual core though
[19:07] <magespawn> have you read anything about virtual machines?
[19:08] <Kilos> not much but i tried virtualbox here once, was kinda slow
[19:09] <Kilos> but ran 7 and kde
[19:09] <Kilos> had probs making it work with 3g though
[19:09] <Kilos> now got 4g so must be more hassles
[19:10] <magespawn> i was just thinking you could set up a virtual machine or three, so you could try commands out to see their effects before doing them on your live machine
[19:10] <Kilos> this system is rock solid magespawn  
[19:11] <Kilos> the only thing im battling with is bzr
[19:15] <Kilos> i got another pc with kde on where i can test unknown commands
[19:17] <magespawn> i really like the idea
[19:18] <magespawn> you could run a LAMP server virtually for looking at websites that you make, which would also allow you to get experience with web servers
[19:21] <mazal> Night everyone
[19:22] <magespawn> good night mazal
[19:32] <Kilos> i go bath now wb
[19:32] <Kilos> wbb too
[19:33] <magespawn> hmmm really so much to learn and so little time
[19:33] <Kilos> yip
[19:34] <inetpro> magespawn: the /batch folder is just my choice to keep my own scripts in one place
[19:35] <magespawn> inetpro: makes sense though
[19:35] <magespawn> i like things to make sense, then other people can also understand what you have done
[19:36] <inetpro> magespawn: if you want to learn about serious scripting see: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[19:36] <superfly> *grumble* *grumble* *grumble*
[19:37] <inetpro> magespawn: oh but don't tell the fly about it
[19:37] <inetpro> rather do it using python :-)
[19:38] <superfly> magespawn: if you like things to make sense, use Python, it's WAY more readable than anything else out there
[19:38] <inetpro> perl ftw!
[19:40] <superfly> inetpro: I converted StickyNotes to use PostgreSQL... hopefully no more timeouts
[19:40] <inetpro> superfly: ah, that's good news
[19:41] <inetpro> was hoping that I wouldn't have to reverse back to slexy
[19:46] <inetpro> wb smile
[19:46] <smile> hi! :) thanks
[19:46] <inetpro> oh and even Wraz
[19:46] <smile> I finally fixed my ChatZilla setup :p
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: you not the greeter bot any more?
[19:47] <inetpro> smile: when last were you in here?
[19:49] <inetpro> you even missed Kilos' promotion ceremony?
[19:49] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[19:50] <Kilos> why grumbling
[19:50] <Kilos> what i broke now
[19:50] <inetpro> Kilos: don't ask that
[19:50] <Kilos> hi smile  
[19:50] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[19:50] <smile> inetpro: I did :(
[19:51] <smile> I was here a few weeks ago, I think? :p
[19:51] <smile> three weeks?
[19:51] <Kilos> haha inetpro  you so cheeky
[19:52] <Kilos> i also both now and again
[19:52] <Kilos> once in summer and not so often in winter
[19:53] <Kilos> s/both/bath
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: me cheeky? Never!
[19:54] <Kilos> yaya
[19:55] <Kilos> you are supposed to be doing the africa site for your membership app
[19:55] <Kilos> and magespawn   too
[19:56] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^
[19:56] <Kilos> i go sleep now
[19:56] <inetpro> ai!
[19:57] <inetpro> now that he's a member he is....
[19:57] <Kilos> say it
[19:57] <inetpro> ok, lemme leave it there rather
[19:57] <Kilos> tired
[19:57] <Kilos> lol im gonna hit you
[19:58] <inetpro> :-)
[19:58] <Kilos> you can sing to me
[19:58] <Kilos> stay as sweet as you are
[19:59] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:04] <smile> slaapwel :D
[20:31] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos i am working on it
[20:31] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:31] <magespawn> good night all