[00:04] knome: Herro? [00:05] yes? [00:05] :D [00:05] So see comments about translations? Do you have admin rights on there? Can you look at info? Does it not import if it's set to 'development'? [00:06] * Unit193 is starting to really dislike translations. :P [00:06] i'll check [00:06] * Unit193 has started getting the hang of transifex, though still doesn't get the autocommits, easier than LP! [00:06] Yey! [00:07] Translations are imported with every update from branch lp:xubuntu-docs. [00:09] Hmm. [00:10] Well whatever.. :/ [00:10] * Unit193 doesn't have to care. [00:10] well if that's the problem, i can request a one-time import [00:11] there isn't anything that is not open on the import queue at least [00:11] desktop-guide/po/desktop-guide.pot in Xubuntu Documentation vivid series [00:11] Imported [00:11] [00:11] Uploaded by Pasi Lallinaho on 2015-02-15 01:50:22 EET [00:11] are you sure it's not fixed now? [00:11] Yeah, saw the queue. [00:11] in what sizes and shapes would you like me to saw it into? [00:11] Did a pull, nothing new. [00:13] since when has this been lagging? [00:39] off to bed. nighty and ttyl [00:39] G'night. [00:54] release done, https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/2.0/2.0.0, now to package it up :) [03:33] so many updates for the greeter packaging [03:33] >.< [04:09] :D [04:10] wow, he has done a good job with the settings (gtk3 + settings manager integration!) http://i.imgur.com/TMYRS7X.png [04:12] Wow indeed. [07:05] Unit193: that's really just :| [07:05] and I thought the background behind try/install was fubar as well, then I see the wallpaper is changed and isn't blue or pink :p [07:11] bluesabre: wowza, the gtk3 plug is nice! the 100% tab-width is a bit funny ;) [07:11] hi ochosi [07:11] morning elfy [07:11] what background where? [07:11] wallpaper in vivid [07:12] http://i.imgur.com/FhBwsI3.png [07:13] if you look carefully you'll see ibus in the panel too ... [07:14] Unit193: any idea what's causing it? [07:14] elfy: Might, tried a fix a few hours ago so we'll see with the next images. [07:15] okey doke [07:15] I'll see lunchtimeish then [07:15] thanks [07:17] ah good, the "in development" wallpaper has made it :) [07:17] yea:) [07:17] wait, indicator-keyboard? [07:17] did you install that? [07:17] and indicator-datetime [07:18] nope - that's what I'm talking to Unit193 about [07:18] http://paste.openstack.org/show/7HZrBRWkuUeNOVixOTdU/ [07:18] Wow, someone reads me. [07:18] of course :) [07:18] k, i see [07:19] that diff reminds me a bit of 14.04.2 [07:19] bluesabre: Oh was supposed to tell you, ll is up in staging, source package in /source/ on sigma. [07:24] So images pop out 12:00utc? [07:24] a bit before iirc - round about 11:00utc [07:29] Ah, 6am... [07:29] no - that was hours ago now :p [07:29] anyway - what did you do to hopefully fix? [07:29] Pushed a fix to the seed. [07:30] ok [07:30] I see [07:30] it's going to be one of those days is it ;) [07:32] Also, should have light-locker to pull from a PPA. [07:33] well, if it's really lightdm that is at fault then i guess it's going to be an easy fix [07:33] What makes you think lightdm? [07:33] Unit193: as you're not in release, i [07:33] 'll repeat it here :) [07:34] lightdm's debian/control file contains this line "unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter | lightdm-kde-greeter" [07:34] ochosi: he is in there [07:34] while it should say "lightdm-gtk-greeter" [07:34] oh, he is? [07:34] ochosi: That's not the problem. gtk provides lightdm-greeter. [07:34] weird, why did my autocomplete fail then [07:34] yea - he's daleksec ... [07:35] awwwh, man [07:35] that's just annoying [07:35] at least when I'm goblin, I'm goblin everywhere :D [07:49] Unit193: would be cool if you could step in and enlighten darkst and seb if you know more than us [07:50] Wasn't looking. I'm eating cookies. :( [07:50] And, don't know for sure, but we'll see. [07:50] anyway, i think they're figuring it out on their own already [07:51] Seed issues, shouldn't happen but oh well. [07:51] Or, chances might be. [07:51] talking to yourself..? :) [07:52] You, cupcake. [07:52] hehe [07:52] * ochosi likes it when Unit193 or DalekSec call him cupcake [07:53] (or at least i prefer it to "sir") [07:53] hah, weeeird preferences there, man. [07:57] heh [07:58] you get used to that 'sir' business from there - sometimes it's 'dear' and sometimes it is both 'dear sir' [08:00] one step at a time, next would be "sir cupcake" [08:04] Yes, babe. [08:42] Unit193: what are you using to show those diffs? [08:43] diff? [08:44] http://paste.openstack.org/show/7HZrBRWkuUeNOVixOTdU/ [08:45] oic - just diff [08:50] so nvm - because that's obviously not *just* diff if you ask me [09:50] elfy: Why not? [09:51] not pretty colours :( [09:51] lol [09:51] pastebinit -f diff [09:52] aah k - thanks [09:52] Sure. [09:53] was looking for something to use locally rather than pasting - hence my confusion :D [10:21] ochosi, unless you strongly disagree, I'm going to give my ok to https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/fixes/+merge/249768 [10:28] slickymasterWork: if i understand this correctly, that means that translations that are only 70% complete will also be included? [10:28] ochosi, ja [10:29] exactly, currently it will potential mean that we'll ship two - three idioms other then the two were already shipping [10:29] 122 responses on our survey [10:30] more than half still consider themselves power users [10:30] 6 use the accessibility options in xubuntu [10:30] which is interesting, because i don't know exactly what those would be [10:30] 39% use xubuntu for software development, so i'm not sure if we still have a descriptive sample... [10:31] slickymasterWork: i saw you discussed this with others already in the channel, i don't disagree with you (despite not having a good idea of the status quo of docs-translations), anyway i trust you on this [10:31] ok [10:31] also, 28 people want to know more about contributing to xubuntu [10:31] slickymasterWork: let's hope it's a good incentive for ppl to contribute to docs translations [10:31] now that we've asked that, we might want to consider how do we contact them :) [10:32] didn't they left an email? [10:32] hehe [10:32] ochosi, at least it gives me more time to slack off until fi is dropped ;P [10:32] yeah, secret recruiting routine ;) [10:32] slickymasterWork, sure, but that's just half of the story [10:32] who sends them email [10:32] what do they say [10:34] just a generic text emphasizing what is the regular process to start to contribute, iei, areas and ways to do it [10:34] well my idea is that since they came to the form, filled it, and specifically wanted to know more... it would be nice to be not a generic one :P [10:35] bluesabre, greeter 2.0 has no transparency effects (panel and login window corners). it also loads the default background first and then fades to the user one, but that's maybe intentional [10:35] but of course it needs to be a preset one, we don't know about their preferences [10:36] yeah [10:36] but it would be nice if it was something else than something from the website [10:36] or we can test them with some new stuff [10:36] new stuff? [10:36] like /getinvolved/teams/ on the staging server [10:37] I see, that could be a good idea [10:38] even if i say myself, that's a fantastic idea [10:38] got to go now though [10:38] bbl, hf :) [10:38] you too knome [10:39] will try to.. [10:39] -> [11:04] brainwash: simple-scan is fine [11:04] let's take this over here [11:05] obviously it's x/ubuntu specific [11:06] yeah [11:07] I noticed that I have evince installed and not evince-gtk, not sure if that matters [11:07] ok, it doesn't [11:10] brainwash: I think ochosi needs to patch greybird for the greeter 2.0 [11:11] and I think the initial bg transitiion is intentional... eases default (plymouth-like) background -> user background [11:11] i do? [11:11] I remember andrew p. mentioning something about it way way way way way way back [11:11] humm :) [11:12] guess i'll have to either read the source again or try to launch gtk-inspector in the greeter [11:12] ochosi: if you add "allow-debugging=true" to the greeter config, you can use gtk-inspector [11:14] bluesabre, the fade effect is nice, but not needed is some cases (when relogging, or when the plymouth boot screen is not working properly). maybe it could be made configurable [11:14] oh noes, not more configurability [11:14] just look at what unity-greeter is doing [11:16] I'll disable it on my local machine then [11:16] it's a small thing, but it somehow annoys me :) [11:16] as long as we don't get many bugreports about stuff like this, let's not touch it [11:17] user-background=false or transition-type=none or transition-duration=0 [11:17] heh, you can configure it already? [11:18] well yes, but you can't configure *when* the transition should happen [11:18] so different scenarios like boot vs. logout/lock are not accounted for (and shouldn't be as separate options, that just makes everything too confusing) [11:18] anyway, off for lunch [11:19] bluesabre: i added a workitem for myself to update greybird btw [11:19] hi bluesabre brainwash [11:20] hey elfy [11:21] ochosi, bluesabre: I did not take a look at the updated .conf file, so I missed the new options [11:21] ochosi: cool, thanks [11:21] hey elfy [11:21] the xubuntu-default-settings greeter conf needs to be updated [11:21] yeah, will get to it shortly [11:21] (today/tomorrow) [11:21] great :) [11:22] Unit193: new image - looks no different - still ibus etc [11:22] humm, the unlock button also doesn't seem to have the "default button" look anymore [11:24] ochosi: if you get a list of issues together, I can probably patch the greeter for a quick 2.0.1 tonight [11:25] or create a single bug for "theming issues" [11:25] yup, i'll take a look, maybe i'll also address it in greybird [11:26] those things can usually be fixed two ways [11:27] brainwash: wanna create a bugreport for evince and link it to v-bugs? [11:27] gotta run, ttyl [11:28] bluesabre: you likely to set meeting before beta? [11:29] hm [11:29] does this time on Wednesday work for you, elfy? [11:29] that'll be this week in case you're not date sure :p [11:30] (this hour) [11:30] absolutely anytime this week - holiday all week :) [11:30] great [11:30] hopefully we'll even have a vivid image that's ours by then [11:35] Scheduled [11:38] elfy: where do I add it to the google calendar again? [11:39] ummm [11:40] google calendar [11:40] bluesabre, "The next meeting is scheduled for Wednesday 23rd of Jan 2015 11:00" [11:40] ?! [11:40] what? [11:40] 2016 ;) [11:40] looks right on wiki [11:40] you mail to the ML [11:40] dang it [11:40] bad ML [11:40] * your [11:41] lol [11:43] bluesabre: did calendar [11:43] elfy: thanks [12:34] ochosi: do you want to begin the motu hunt while I'm out today? [12:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/+bug/1295405 [12:34] Launchpad bug 1295405 in Settings editor for LightDM GTK+ Greeter "[needs-packaging] Package and upload to vivid" [Wishlist,In progress] [12:34] See my last comment [12:37] why two? [12:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages [12:38] ok [12:38] "Two MOTUs must advocate the package." [12:38] i've poked Mirv [12:39] i really should make a list of people i "know" for my sue [12:39] *use [12:39] :) [12:39] I wonder if Logan would be willing to sign off on it as well [12:39] :) [12:40] If I was quicker, could have asked micahg last night [12:40] but hadn't started the packaging yet :\ [12:42] that's okay [12:42] we'll find the motus [12:46] what else people we might need than ~motu and ~ubuntu-core-dev? [12:47] that should be it... once its uploaded we can move it into the seed and packageset [12:47] i mean generally, not in this case :) [12:47] knome: when is the translations deadline? [12:47] because currently it only has ru [12:48] * knome opens the release schedule for bluesabre [12:48] :P [12:48] march 19 [12:48] is the doc string freeze [12:48] * bluesabre runs to the shower to get ready for work [12:48] ok [12:48] april 9 is the deadline for *translations* [12:48] so still good time [12:48] uifreeze is march 12, subject to some docs stuff [12:49] like the installer slideshow [12:51] less than a month :P [12:51] the ui freeze, sure [12:51] but generally we are not in a huge rush yet [12:51] :) [13:05] hi all [13:05] hello [13:08] bluesabre: the simpest (at the current moment) way to fix greybird - adding something like "#screen.lightdm-gtk-greeter {background: transparent;}" somewhere in lightdm-gtk-greeter.css [13:08] andrew_the_p: thanks! [13:08] ochosi: ^ [13:09] pleia2, ping me when you're around. we need to talk about the policies for incoming messages @xubuntu-contacts [13:09] andrew_the_p: working on getting settings into ubuntu this week :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/+bug/1295405 [13:09] Launchpad bug 1295405 in Settings editor for LightDM GTK+ Greeter "[needs-packaging] Package and upload to vivid" [Wishlist,In progress] [13:09] you've done a fantastic job with those, and the xfce integration is a nice bit of flair ;) [13:10] gotta run to work now, bbl [13:10] i like the progress that stuff has been getting lately, both in the xubuntu "in-house" developments, xfce stuff, their ingtegration and much more [13:10] ++ for bluesabre and others who have worked on those :) [13:11] I can ++ that too :) [13:11] i'll top that off with chocolate cookies for everybody [13:11] IRL too if you happen to be around helsinki :) [13:12] :) [13:19] thx, and about crossfade in greeter: its behavior will be slightly changed in future versions. Some things must be done before it. [13:20] ochosi, bug 1422354 [13:20] bug 1422354 in evince (Ubuntu) "Show traditional titlebar when maximized with no GtkHeaderBar present" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422354 [13:25] we don't use that - evince-gtk works fine here [13:27] elfy, it does? maximize the window [13:49] http://i.imgur.com/MLI323P.png [13:54] elfy, Atril is an option 😉 [13:54] wut? [13:56] well, nice titlebar [13:59] oic [13:59] evince works :) [13:59] titlebar is titlebar [14:01] I did test evince-gtk and it was missing too on my system [14:01] mmm [14:01] and ochosi can confirm it [14:01] and the source code says that it should be hidden when maximized [14:02] elfy: what version of xfwm4 is that? [14:02] ok - can see the fail in the failing daily [14:03] 4.11.3-0ubuntu1 [14:03] yeah 4.11.3 is the version that exposes the problem [14:06] so why do I have a working version [14:08] mind you I'm not surprised - I still appear to have dodgy scrollbars in things even after purging that PPA [14:10] right, slightly messed up install maybe ;) [14:10] i wouldn't give it too much thought, the problem in evince is well confirmed and explained [14:10] and there's a patch, so soon you won't be the only one with a working version [14:10] entirely possible messed up [14:10] only affects Xfce though, just tested with lubuntu, mate and co [14:35] brainwash: i suggest you do a MR directly with that patch and i'll follow up with seb128 on that [15:25] bbl [15:42] ochosi: so - who should we ping about the fubar vivid images ? [15:42] any idea? [15:43] elfy: fubar images? [15:43] what again now? [15:44] ah... you mean because of the messed up depends pulling in unity? [15:44] vivid with unity settings and greeter and ibus [15:44] yea [15:46] hmm good question [15:46] i'm not really sure to be honest [15:49] pinged Laney again, since he seemed willing to help with 14.04.2 [15:49] we'll see what comes of it [15:49] yep saw that - thanks [15:51] well thanks for the reminder, we really need to resolve this asap [15:52] yea, I'll try and spend a bit of time getting my head around it [15:52] beta arrives next monday/tuesday [16:17] elfy: so Laney kinda suggested we should ping infinity [16:17] so let's do that then [16:18] I did - before you were talking to darkxst [16:20] yeah, but that was already a few days ago [16:21] no - it was this morning at 07:06UTC :) [16:21] oh :) [16:21] in that case i guess we can give it some time [16:23] I think he is in the far east or something atm - so timezones even worse :) [16:47] elfy: hi, sorry, only just seen your "hi" in ubuntu+1 :) [16:48] :) [16:48] Don't like the new wallpaper. Is that for keeps? I prefer 14.10's. [16:50] I'm not really sure what goes on over in the arty department ;) [16:51] well this is the "in development" wallpaper that we'll be using each release from now on until there is a final wallpaper [16:51] that is to visually indicate "you are using a development version, if you break your thumb because you have to type so much to fix all bugs/problems, we're not at fault" [16:52] oh - news to me - but fairly logical :) [16:52] so Xubuntu will remain blue (-ish) ? [16:52] very likely [16:52] \o/ [16:53] either way, changing the wallpaper/theme really isn't a big deal... [16:56] bluesabre, ochosi, elfy, ali1234 - Just you're aware- http://paste.mate-desktop.org/podvawj9x [16:57] luckily most of our stuff uses xfconf [16:57] but thanks for the heads up, i read it in #u-devel too btw ;) [17:02] ochosi, Just letting you guys know. I suspect there is other "old" GNOME apps that are affected. Not sure what you ship in Xubuntu but if you encounter weirdness, you know what it is. [17:02] indeed [17:27] hey all [17:27] hi bluesabre :) [17:29] hi :) [17:30] confusing myself trying to work out why all these messed up depends we've got [17:36] sounds like an exciting task [17:40] even more so when it's all double dutch to me ... [17:51] bluesabre: woot, what are you doing around here at this hour?? [17:51] snow [17:51] so much snow [17:51] also, the greeter-settings build seems to have failed (says Mirv), which is why i haven't pursued that any further [17:51] sweet [17:51] yup [17:51] fixing now [17:57] btw, do you know of any apps that could be affected by the gsettings problem that was mentioned by flexiondotorg_? [17:57] (cause i personally don't) [18:02] ochosi: light-locker, for one [18:02] but it does not seem to be affected [18:02] mugshot and catfish also use gsettings [18:02] but don't seem to be affected [18:04] giving up - really confused now ... [18:05] unity 1 - elfy 0 [18:05] well I'd go further than just unity :p [18:05] :D [18:05] bluesabre: yeah, already checked light-locker [18:05] packages 1 - elfy 0 :D [18:06] bluesabre: i think this is only a problem for oldish apps, of which we don't ship many [18:06] brainwash_: I ended up at indicator-keyboard somehow [18:19] elfy, it's a nightmare :) [18:23] bug 1292290 gets bumped regularly with useless comments or status updates, but there is no one to verify the SRU :/ [18:23] bug 1292290 in Xfwm4 "[SRU] Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292290 [18:25] yep and eventually someone will ask why it's not been fixed yet [18:37] brainwash_: have you actively tried to find people to verify it outside of this channel? [18:39] I will have to try that [19:12] knome: I won't be around much until Sunday or so [19:12] hi pleia2 - have fun :) [19:14] elfy: hey :) thanks [19:19] ochosi: care to test https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings ? [19:20] just looking for a second confirmation before requesting motu and archive admin eyes [19:23] bluesabre: will do in about 30mins, just have to finish something real quick [19:24] k [19:34] brainwash_: I now have exo access, will handle this patch today https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11504 [19:34] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11504 in Helpers "Update mimeapps.list location (glib >= 2.41)" [Major,Assigned] [19:48] brainwash_: and done [19:50] bluesabre, great. I'll try to re-test it later [19:50] to make sure that everything works [19:50] ochosi: be sure to test [19:51] (greeter-settings) [20:21] bluesabre: getting ready to test now... [20:21] ochosi: cool, I've started pinging :) [20:21] ok :) [20:21] it works for me, at least [20:22] that's a good start :) [20:24] bluesabre: wowza and ouch [20:24] oh god [20:24] don't use that with a theme in your home folder :D [20:24] otherwise you'll get the root fallback theme [20:24] silly ochosi [20:24] hehe [20:24] use greybird or numix :P [20:25] (we'll fix that in 1.1.1 [20:25] ) [20:25] not knowing what it is, that button looks scary without a tooltip: http://i.imgur.com/drZTLyx.png [20:25] (will it remove the item..?) [20:26] i know now what it is, because i clicked [20:26] but i think a tooltip might be helpful [20:28] ouch [20:28] now i updated some settings, locked the session and got a white screen that was constantly repainted [20:28] (i.e. flickering mouse cursor) [20:28] i guess restarting shouldn't be needed, should it? [20:28] shouldn't be [20:28] sounds like you're exposing some nice greeter bugs [20:29] but overall, the settings works, right? [20:30] well i can't say [20:30]