[00:04] <Unit193> knome: Herro?
[00:05] <knome> yes?
[00:05] <Unit193> :D
[00:05] <Unit193> So see comments about translations?  Do you have admin rights on there?  Can you look at info?  Does it not import if it's set to 'development'?
[00:06]  * Unit193 is starting to really dislike translations. :P
[00:06] <knome> i'll check
[00:06]  * Unit193 has started getting the hang of transifex, though still doesn't get the autocommits, easier than LP!
[00:06] <Unit193> Yey!
[00:07] <knome>  Translations are imported with every update from branch lp:xubuntu-docs. 
[00:09] <Unit193> Hmm.
[00:10] <Unit193> Well whatever.. :/
[00:10]  * Unit193 doesn't have to care.
[00:10] <knome> well if that's the problem, i can request a one-time import
[00:11] <knome> there isn't anything that is not open on the import queue at least
[00:11] <knome>  	desktop-guide/po/desktop-guide.pot in Xubuntu Documentation vivid series 	
[00:11] <knome> Imported
[00:11] <knome> 	
[00:11] <knome> Uploaded by Pasi Lallinaho on 2015-02-15 01:50:22 EET
[00:11] <knome> are you sure it's not fixed now?
[00:11] <Unit193> Yeah, saw the queue.
[00:11] <knome> in what sizes and shapes would you like me to saw it into?
[00:11] <Unit193> Did a pull, nothing new.
[00:13] <knome> since when has this been lagging?
[00:39] <knome> off to bed. nighty and ttyl
[00:39] <Unit193> G'night.
[00:54] <bluesabre> release done, https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/2.0/2.0.0, now to package it up :)
[03:33] <bluesabre> so many updates for the greeter packaging
[03:33] <bluesabre> >.<
[04:09] <Unit193> :D
[04:10] <bluesabre> wow, he has done a good job with the settings (gtk3 + settings manager integration!) http://i.imgur.com/TMYRS7X.png
[04:12] <Unit193> Wow indeed.
[07:05] <elfy> Unit193: that's really just :| 
[07:05] <elfy> and I thought the background behind try/install was fubar as well, then I see the wallpaper is changed and isn't blue or pink :p
[07:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: wowza, the gtk3 plug is nice! the 100% tab-width is a bit funny ;)
[07:11] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[07:11] <ochosi> morning elfy
[07:11] <ochosi> what background where?
[07:11] <elfy> wallpaper in vivid 
[07:12] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/FhBwsI3.png
[07:13] <elfy> if you look carefully you'll see ibus in the panel too ... 
[07:14] <elfy> Unit193: any idea what's causing it?
[07:14] <Unit193> elfy: Might, tried a fix a few hours ago so we'll see with the next images.
[07:15] <elfy> okey doke 
[07:15] <elfy> I'll see lunchtimeish then 
[07:15] <elfy> thanks
[07:17] <ochosi> ah good, the "in development" wallpaper has made it :)
[07:17] <elfy> yea:)
[07:17] <ochosi> wait, indicator-keyboard?
[07:17] <ochosi> did you install that?
[07:17] <ochosi> and indicator-datetime
[07:18] <elfy> nope - that's what I'm talking to Unit193 about 
[07:18] <elfy> http://paste.openstack.org/show/7HZrBRWkuUeNOVixOTdU/
[07:18] <Unit193> Wow, someone reads me.
[07:18] <elfy> of course :)
[07:18] <ochosi> k, i see
[07:19] <ochosi> that diff reminds me a bit of 14.04.2
[07:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh was supposed to tell you, ll is up in staging, source package in /source/ on sigma.
[07:24] <Unit193> So images pop out 12:00utc?
[07:24] <elfy> a bit before iirc - round about 11:00utc 
[07:29] <Unit193> Ah, 6am...
[07:29] <elfy> no - that was hours ago now :p
[07:29] <elfy> anyway - what did you do to hopefully fix?
[07:29] <Unit193> Pushed a fix to the seed.
[07:30] <elfy> ok 
[07:30] <elfy> I see 
[07:30] <elfy> it's going to be one of those days is it ;)
[07:32] <Unit193> Also, should have light-locker to pull from a PPA.
[07:33] <ochosi> well, if it's really lightdm that is at fault then i guess it's going to be an easy fix
[07:33] <Unit193> What makes you think lightdm?
[07:33] <ochosi> Unit193: as you're not in release, i
[07:33] <ochosi> 'll repeat it here :)
[07:34] <ochosi> lightdm's debian/control file contains this line "unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter | lightdm-kde-greeter"
[07:34] <elfy> ochosi: he is in there 
[07:34] <ochosi> while it should say "lightdm-gtk-greeter"
[07:34] <ochosi> oh, he is?
[07:34] <Unit193> ochosi: That's not the problem.  gtk provides lightdm-greeter.
[07:34] <ochosi> weird, why did my autocomplete fail then
[07:34] <elfy> yea - he's daleksec ... 
[07:35] <ochosi> awwwh, man
[07:35] <ochosi> that's just annoying
[07:35] <elfy> at least when I'm goblin, I'm goblin everywhere :D
[07:49] <ochosi> Unit193: would be cool if you could step in and enlighten darkst and seb if you know more than us
[07:50] <Unit193> Wasn't looking.  I'm eating cookies. :(
[07:50] <Unit193> And, don't know for sure, but we'll see.
[07:50] <ochosi> anyway, i think they're figuring it out on their own already
[07:51] <DalekSec> Seed issues, shouldn't happen but oh well.
[07:51] <Unit193> Or, chances might be.
[07:51] <ochosi> talking to yourself..? :)
[07:52] <Unit193> You, cupcake.
[07:52] <ochosi> hehe
[07:52]  * ochosi likes it when Unit193 or DalekSec call him cupcake
[07:53] <ochosi> (or at least i prefer it to "sir")
[07:53] <Unit193> hah, weeeird preferences there, man.
[07:57] <elfy> heh
[07:58] <elfy> you get used to that 'sir' business from there - sometimes it's 'dear' and sometimes it is both 'dear sir' 
[08:00] <ochosi> one step at a time, next would be "sir cupcake"
[08:04] <Unit193> Yes, babe.
[08:42] <elfy> Unit193: what are you using to show those diffs? 
[08:43] <Unit193> diff?
[08:44] <elfy> http://paste.openstack.org/show/7HZrBRWkuUeNOVixOTdU/
[08:45] <elfy> oic - just diff
[08:50] <elfy> so nvm - because that's obviously not *just* diff if you ask me
[09:50] <Unit193> elfy: Why not?
[09:51] <elfy> not pretty colours :(
[09:51] <elfy> lol
[09:51] <Unit193> pastebinit -f diff
[09:52] <elfy> aah k - thanks
[09:52] <Unit193> Sure.
[09:53] <elfy> was looking for something to use locally rather than pasting - hence my confusion :D
[10:21] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, unless you strongly disagree, I'm going to give my ok to https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/fixes/+merge/249768
[10:28] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: if i understand this correctly, that means that translations that are only 70% complete will also be included?
[10:28] <knome> ochosi, ja 
[10:29] <slickymasterWork> exactly, currently it will potential mean that we'll ship two - three idioms other then the two were already shipping 
[10:29] <knome> 122 responses on our survey
[10:30] <knome> more than half still consider themselves power users
[10:30] <knome> 6 use the accessibility options in xubuntu
[10:30] <knome> which is interesting, because i don't know exactly what those would be
[10:30] <knome> 39% use xubuntu for software development, so i'm not sure if we still have a descriptive sample...
[10:31] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: i saw you discussed this with others already in the channel, i don't disagree with you (despite not having a good idea of the status quo of docs-translations), anyway i trust you on this
[10:31] <slickymasterWork> ok
[10:31] <knome> also, 28 people want to know more about contributing to xubuntu
[10:31] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: let's hope it's a good incentive for ppl to contribute to docs translations
[10:31] <knome> now that we've asked that, we might want to consider how do we contact them :)
[10:32] <slickymasterWork> didn't they left an email?
[10:32] <ochosi> hehe
[10:32] <knome> ochosi, at least it gives me more time to slack off until fi is dropped ;P
[10:32] <ochosi> yeah, secret recruiting routine ;)
[10:32] <knome> slickymasterWork, sure, but that's just half of the story
[10:32] <knome> who sends them email
[10:32] <knome> what do they say
[10:34] <slickymasterWork> just a generic text emphasizing what is the regular process to start to contribute, iei, areas and ways to do it
[10:34] <knome> well my idea is that since they came to the form, filled it, and specifically wanted to know more... it would be nice to be not a generic one :P
[10:35] <brainwash> bluesabre, greeter 2.0 has no transparency effects (panel and login window corners). it also loads the default background first and then fades to the user one, but that's maybe intentional
[10:35] <knome> but of course it needs to be a preset one, we don't know about their preferences
[10:36] <slickymasterWork> yeah
[10:36] <knome> but it would be nice if it was something else than something from the website
[10:36] <knome> or we can test them with some new stuff
[10:36] <slickymasterWork> new stuff?
[10:36] <knome> like /getinvolved/teams/ on the staging server
[10:37] <slickymasterWork> I see, that could be a good idea
[10:38] <knome> even if i say myself, that's a fantastic idea
[10:38] <knome> got to go now though
[10:38] <knome> bbl, hf :)
[10:38] <slickymasterWork> you too knome 
[10:39] <knome> will try to..
[10:39] <knome> ->
[11:04] <ochosi> brainwash: simple-scan is fine
[11:04] <ochosi> let's take this over here
[11:05] <ochosi> obviously it's x/ubuntu specific
[11:06] <brainwash> yeah
[11:07] <brainwash> I noticed that I have evince installed and not evince-gtk, not sure if that matters
[11:07] <brainwash> ok, it doesn't
[11:10] <bluesabre> brainwash: I think ochosi needs to patch greybird for the greeter 2.0
[11:11] <bluesabre> and I think the initial bg transitiion is intentional... eases default (plymouth-like) background -> user background
[11:11] <ochosi> i do?
[11:11] <bluesabre> I remember andrew p. mentioning something about it way way way way way way back
[11:11] <ochosi> humm :)
[11:12] <ochosi> guess i'll have to either read the source again or try to launch gtk-inspector in the greeter
[11:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: if you add "allow-debugging=true" to the greeter config, you can use gtk-inspector
[11:14] <brainwash> bluesabre, the fade effect is nice, but not needed is some cases (when relogging, or when the plymouth boot screen is not working properly). maybe it could be made configurable
[11:14] <ochosi> oh noes, not more configurability
[11:14] <ochosi> just look at what unity-greeter is doing
[11:16] <brainwash> I'll disable it on my local machine then
[11:16] <brainwash> it's a small thing, but it somehow annoys me :)
[11:16] <ochosi> as long as we don't get many bugreports about stuff like this, let's not touch it
[11:17] <bluesabre> user-background=false or transition-type=none or transition-duration=0
[11:17] <brainwash> heh, you can configure it already?
[11:18] <ochosi> well yes, but you can't configure *when* the transition should happen
[11:18] <ochosi> so different scenarios like boot vs. logout/lock are not accounted for (and shouldn't be as separate options, that just makes everything too confusing)
[11:18] <ochosi> anyway, off for lunch
[11:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: i added a workitem for myself to update greybird btw
[11:19] <elfy> hi bluesabre brainwash 
[11:20] <brainwash> hey elfy 
[11:21] <brainwash> ochosi, bluesabre: I did not take a look at the updated .conf file, so I missed the new options
[11:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, thanks
[11:21] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[11:21] <brainwash> the xubuntu-default-settings greeter conf needs to be updated
[11:21] <bluesabre> yeah, will get to it shortly
[11:21] <bluesabre> (today/tomorrow)
[11:21] <brainwash> great :)
[11:22] <elfy> Unit193: new image - looks no different - still ibus etc
[11:22] <ochosi> humm, the unlock button also doesn't seem to have the "default button" look anymore
[11:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: if you get a list of issues together, I can probably patch the greeter for a quick 2.0.1 tonight
[11:25] <bluesabre> or create a single bug for "theming issues"
[11:25] <ochosi> yup, i'll take a look, maybe i'll also address it in greybird
[11:26] <ochosi> those things can usually be fixed two ways
[11:27] <ochosi> brainwash: wanna create a bugreport for evince and link it to v-bugs?
[11:27] <ochosi> gotta run, ttyl
[11:28] <elfy> bluesabre: you likely to set meeting before beta? 
[11:29] <bluesabre> hm
[11:29] <bluesabre> does this time on Wednesday work for you, elfy?
[11:29] <elfy> that'll be this week in case you're not date sure :p
[11:30] <bluesabre> (this hour)
[11:30] <elfy> absolutely anytime this week - holiday all week :)
[11:30] <bluesabre> great
[11:30] <elfy> hopefully we'll even have a vivid image that's ours by then 
[11:35] <bluesabre> Scheduled
[11:38] <bluesabre> elfy: where do I add it to the google calendar again?
[11:39] <elfy> ummm
[11:40] <elfy> google calendar
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, "The next meeting is scheduled for Wednesday 23rd of Jan 2015 11:00"
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> ?!
[11:40] <bluesabre> what?
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> 2016 ;)
[11:40] <elfy> looks right on wiki 
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> you mail to the ML
[11:40] <bluesabre> dang it
[11:40] <bluesabre> bad ML
[11:40] <slickymasterWork> * your
[11:41] <slickymasterWork> lol
[11:43] <elfy> bluesabre: did calendar
[11:43] <bluesabre> elfy: thanks
[12:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: do you want to begin the motu hunt while I'm out today?
[12:34] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/+bug/1295405
[12:34] <bluesabre> See my last comment
[12:37] <knome> why two?
[12:38] <bluesabre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[12:38] <knome> ok
[12:38] <bluesabre> "Two MOTUs must advocate the package."
[12:38] <knome> i've poked Mirv
[12:39] <knome> i really should make a list of people i "know" for my sue
[12:39] <knome> *use
[12:39] <bluesabre> :)
[12:39] <bluesabre> I wonder if Logan would be willing to sign off on it as well
[12:39] <bluesabre> :)
[12:40] <bluesabre> If I was quicker, could have asked micahg last night
[12:40] <bluesabre> but hadn't started the packaging yet :\
[12:42] <knome> that's okay
[12:42] <knome> we'll find the motus
[12:46] <knome> what else people we might need than ~motu and ~ubuntu-core-dev?
[12:47] <bluesabre> that should be it... once its uploaded we can move it into the seed and packageset
[12:47] <knome> i mean generally, not in this case :)
[12:47] <bluesabre> knome: when is the translations deadline?
[12:47] <bluesabre> because currently it only has ru
[12:48]  * knome opens the release schedule for bluesabre
[12:48] <bluesabre> :P
[12:48] <knome> march 19
[12:48] <knome> is the doc string freeze
[12:48]  * bluesabre runs to the shower to get ready for work
[12:48] <bluesabre> ok
[12:48] <knome> april 9 is the deadline for *translations*
[12:48] <knome> so still good time
[12:48] <knome> uifreeze is march 12, subject to some docs stuff
[12:49] <knome> like the installer slideshow
[12:51] <slickymasterWork> less than a month :P
[12:51] <knome> the ui freeze, sure
[12:51] <knome> but generally we are not in a huge rush yet
[12:51] <slickymasterWork> :)
[13:05] <andrew_the_p> hi all
[13:05] <knome> hello
[13:08] <andrew_the_p> bluesabre: the simpest (at the current moment) way to fix greybird - adding something like "#screen.lightdm-gtk-greeter {background: transparent;}" somewhere in lightdm-gtk-greeter.css
[13:08] <bluesabre> andrew_the_p: thanks!
[13:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: ^
[13:09] <knome> pleia2, ping me when you're around. we need to talk about the policies for incoming messages @xubuntu-contacts
[13:09] <bluesabre> andrew_the_p: working on getting settings into ubuntu this week :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/+bug/1295405
[13:09] <bluesabre> you've done a fantastic job with those, and the xfce integration is a nice bit of flair ;)
[13:10] <bluesabre> gotta run to work now, bbl
[13:10] <knome> i like the progress that stuff has been getting lately, both in the xubuntu "in-house" developments, xfce stuff, their ingtegration and much more
[13:10] <knome> ++ for bluesabre and others who have worked on those :)
[13:11] <elfy> I can ++ that too :)
[13:11] <knome> i'll top that off with chocolate cookies for everybody
[13:11] <knome> IRL too if you happen to be around helsinki :)
[13:12] <elfy> :)
[13:19] <andrew_the_p> thx, and about crossfade in greeter: its behavior will be slightly changed in future versions. Some things must be done before it.
[13:20] <brainwash> ochosi, bug 1422354
[13:25] <elfy> we don't use that - evince-gtk works fine here 
[13:27] <brainwash> elfy, it does? maximize the window
[13:49] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/MLI323P.png
[13:54] <flexiondotorg_> elfy, Atril is an option 😉
[13:54] <elfy> wut?
[13:56] <brainwash> well, nice titlebar
[13:59] <elfy> oic
[13:59] <elfy> evince works :)
[13:59] <elfy> titlebar is titlebar 
[14:01] <brainwash> I did test evince-gtk and it was missing too on my system
[14:01] <elfy> mmm 
[14:01] <brainwash> and ochosi can confirm it
[14:01] <brainwash> and the source code says that it should be hidden when maximized
[14:02] <ochosi> elfy: what version of xfwm4 is that?
[14:02] <elfy> ok - can see the fail in the failing daily 
[14:03] <elfy> 4.11.3-0ubuntu1
[14:03] <ochosi> yeah 4.11.3 is the version that exposes the problem
[14:06] <elfy> so why do I have a working version 
[14:08] <elfy> mind you I'm not surprised - I still appear to have dodgy scrollbars in things even after purging that PPA
[14:10] <ochosi> right, slightly messed up install maybe ;)
[14:10] <ochosi> i wouldn't give it too much thought, the problem in evince is well confirmed and explained
[14:10] <ochosi> and there's a patch, so soon you won't be the only one with a working version
[14:10] <elfy> entirely possible messed up
[14:10] <brainwash> only affects Xfce though, just tested with lubuntu, mate and co
[14:35] <ochosi> brainwash: i suggest you do a MR directly with that patch and i'll follow up with seb128 on that
[15:25] <knome> bbl
[15:42] <elfy> ochosi: so - who should we ping about the fubar vivid images ?
[15:42] <elfy> any idea? 
[15:43] <ochosi> elfy: fubar images?
[15:43] <ochosi> what again now?
[15:44] <ochosi> ah... you mean because of the messed up depends pulling in unity?
[15:44] <elfy> vivid with unity settings and greeter and ibus
[15:44] <elfy> yea
[15:46] <ochosi> hmm good question
[15:46] <ochosi> i'm not really sure to be honest
[15:49] <ochosi> pinged Laney again, since he seemed willing to help with 14.04.2
[15:49] <ochosi> we'll see what comes of it
[15:49] <elfy> yep saw that - thanks
[15:51] <ochosi> well thanks for the reminder, we really need to resolve this asap
[15:52] <elfy> yea, I'll try and spend a bit of time getting my head around it
[15:52] <elfy> beta arrives next monday/tuesday 
[16:17] <ochosi> elfy: so Laney kinda suggested we should ping infinity
[16:17] <ochosi> so let's do that then
[16:18] <elfy> I did - before you were talking to darkxst
[16:20] <ochosi> yeah, but that was already a few days ago
[16:21] <elfy> no - it was this morning at 07:06UTC :)
[16:21] <ochosi> oh :)
[16:21] <ochosi> in that case i guess we can give it some time
[16:23] <elfy> I think he is in the far east or something atm - so timezones even worse :)
[16:47] <PaulW2U> elfy: hi, sorry, only just seen your "hi" in ubuntu+1 :)
[16:48] <elfy> :)
[16:48] <PaulW2U> Don't like the new wallpaper. Is that for keeps? I prefer 14.10's.
[16:50] <elfy> I'm not really sure what goes on over in the arty department ;)
[16:51] <ochosi> well this is the "in development" wallpaper that we'll be using each release from now on until there is a final wallpaper
[16:51] <ochosi> that is to visually indicate "you are using a development version, if you break your thumb because you have to type so much to fix all bugs/problems, we're not at fault"
[16:52] <elfy> oh - news to me - but fairly logical :)
[16:52] <PaulW2U> so Xubuntu will remain blue (-ish) ?
[16:52] <ochosi> very likely
[16:52] <PaulW2U> \o/
[16:53] <ochosi> either way, changing the wallpaper/theme really isn't a big deal...
[16:56] <flexiondotorg_> bluesabre, ochosi, elfy, ali1234 - Just you're aware- http://paste.mate-desktop.org/podvawj9x
[16:57] <ochosi> luckily most of our stuff uses xfconf
[16:57] <ochosi> but thanks for the heads up, i read it in #u-devel too btw ;)
[17:02] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, Just letting you guys know. I suspect there is other "old" GNOME apps that are affected. Not sure what you ship in Xubuntu but if you encounter weirdness, you know what it is.
[17:02] <ochosi> indeed
[17:27] <bluesabre> hey all
[17:27] <elfy> hi bluesabre :)
[17:29] <ranu> hi :)
[17:30] <elfy> confusing myself trying to work out why all these messed up depends we've got 
[17:36] <bluesabre> sounds like an exciting task
[17:40] <elfy> even more so when it's all double dutch to me ... 
[17:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: woot, what are you doing around here at this hour??
[17:51] <bluesabre> snow
[17:51] <bluesabre> so much snow
[17:51] <ochosi> also, the greeter-settings build seems to have failed (says Mirv), which is why i haven't pursued that any further
[17:51] <ochosi> sweet
[17:51] <bluesabre> yup
[17:51] <bluesabre> fixing now
[17:57] <ochosi> btw, do you know of any apps that could be affected by the gsettings problem that was mentioned by flexiondotorg_?
[17:57] <ochosi> (cause i personally don't)
[18:02] <bluesabre> ochosi: light-locker, for one
[18:02] <bluesabre> but it does not seem to be affected
[18:02] <bluesabre> mugshot and catfish also use gsettings
[18:02] <bluesabre> but don't seem to be affected
[18:04] <elfy> giving up - really confused now ... 
[18:05] <brainwash_> unity 1 - elfy 0
[18:05] <elfy> well I'd go further than just unity :p
[18:05] <brainwash_> :D
[18:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, already checked light-locker
[18:05] <elfy> packages 1 - elfy 0 :D
[18:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think this is only a problem for oldish apps, of which we don't ship many
[18:06] <elfy> brainwash_: I ended up at indicator-keyboard somehow 
[18:19] <brainwash_> elfy, it's a nightmare :)
[18:23] <brainwash_> bug 1292290 gets bumped regularly with useless comments or status updates, but there is no one to verify the SRU :/
[18:25] <elfy> yep and eventually someone will ask why it's not been fixed yet
[18:37] <ochosi> brainwash_: have you actively tried to find people to verify it outside of this channel?
[18:39] <brainwash_> I will have to try that
[19:12] <pleia2> knome: I won't be around much until Sunday or so
[19:12] <elfy> hi pleia2 - have fun :)
[19:14] <pleia2> elfy: hey :) thanks
[19:19] <bluesabre> ochosi: care to test https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings ?
[19:20] <bluesabre> just looking for a second confirmation before requesting motu and archive admin eyes
[19:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: will do in about 30mins, just have to finish something real quick
[19:24] <bluesabre> k
[19:34] <bluesabre> brainwash_: I now have exo access, will handle this patch today https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11504
[19:48] <bluesabre> brainwash_: and done
[19:50] <brainwash_> bluesabre, great. I'll try to re-test it later
[19:50] <brainwash_> to make sure that everything works
[19:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: be sure to test
[19:51] <bluesabre> (greeter-settings)
[20:21] <ochosi> bluesabre: getting ready to test now...
[20:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, I've started pinging :)
[20:21] <ochosi> ok :)
[20:21] <bluesabre> it works for me, at least
[20:22] <ochosi> that's a good start :)
[20:24] <ochosi> bluesabre: wowza and ouch
[20:24] <bluesabre> oh god
[20:24] <ochosi> don't use that with a theme in your home folder :D
[20:24] <ochosi> otherwise you'll get the root fallback theme
[20:24] <bluesabre> silly ochosi
[20:24] <ochosi> hehe
[20:24] <bluesabre> use greybird or numix :P
[20:25] <bluesabre> (we'll fix that in 1.1.1
[20:25] <bluesabre> )
[20:25] <ochosi> not knowing what it is, that button looks scary without a tooltip: http://i.imgur.com/drZTLyx.png
[20:25] <ochosi> (will it remove the item..?)
[20:26] <ochosi> i know now what it is, because i clicked
[20:26] <ochosi> but i think a tooltip might be helpful
[20:28] <ochosi> ouch
[20:28] <ochosi> now i updated some settings, locked the session and got a white screen that was constantly repainted
[20:28] <ochosi> (i.e. flickering mouse cursor)
[20:28] <ochosi> i guess restarting shouldn't be needed, should it?
[20:28] <bluesabre> shouldn't be
[20:28] <bluesabre> sounds like you're exposing some nice greeter bugs
[20:29] <bluesabre> but overall, the settings works, right?
[20:30] <ochosi> well i can't say
[20:30] <ochosi> because the whitescreen never recovered
[20:30] <ochosi> lemme quickly save my work and then i'll give it another try
[20:31] <sidi> wrapping up what's being told right now in #xfce-dev, there won't be a RC for Xfce 4.12
[20:31] <sidi> you should test the latest 4.11 components instead, if willing to do some last minute testing
[20:31] <sidi> Xfwm just had a release, settings is following
[20:31] <ochosi> bluesabre: i like it when sidi gives us a heads up! (:
[20:31] <bluesabre> I hear an echo
[20:32] <sidi> rofl.
[20:32] <sidi> some people here are not on #xfce-dev ;P
[20:32] <sidi> and those people are the people doing the testing for Xub :p
[20:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, i'll quickly reboot and then test again
[20:32] <bluesabre> fair enough :)
[20:33] <bluesabre> ochosi, a simple switch between two system-wide themes would have been sufficient for me :P
[20:33] <bluesabre> (for now, approaching FF as we are)
[20:36] <ochosi> ok, now it works
[20:36] <ochosi> the reboot has fixed everything
[20:36] <ochosi> could be that i just updated greeter, lightdm and the settings app without rebooting
[20:36] <ochosi> maybe that wasnt such a swell idea...
[20:36] <bluesabre> living dangerously
[20:37] <bluesabre> want to comment on the bug that you tested the package and it works for you?
[20:37] <ochosi> already on it
[20:37] <bluesabre> I subbed ubuntu-sponsors after my last comment to set this up to notify >:)
[20:37] <ochosi> greeter development was always dangerous ;)
[20:44] <elfy> sidi: thanks for showing some of the kindness of telling us things that others in here just assume we know :p
[20:45] <elfy> s/showing some of us 
[20:45] <ochosi> well, we'd have told you on time though ;)
[20:46] <elfy> :)
[20:46] <ochosi> for now it seemed a bit like "no news"
[20:46] <elfy> ha 
[20:46] <sidi> elfy, you're welcome :p
[20:46] <ochosi> we've all been guinea-pigs for 4.11 all along, so i have no idea what else we could do to test it more
[20:47] <sidi> ochosi, that's quite true
[20:47] <sidi> but
[20:47] <sidi> it'd be good to have people do a clean install
[20:47] <sidi> just to check the xfconf keys we ship by default
[20:47] <ochosi> right, but the thing is that the xubuntu team is already doing quite a lot of testing...
[20:48] <ochosi> this sort of clean install you're referring to (vanilla xfce) is something you should contact the arch users about ;)
[20:48] <slickymaster> Unit193, https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/fixes/+merge/249768 approved and merged
[21:01] <ochosi> folks, all the help links seem to be broken in vivid's settings manager, can you confirm that?
[21:02] <slickymaster> I'll just be able to tomorrow ochosi :P
[21:02] <elfy> works here - but as we worked out ... bit broken - booting vm 
[21:04]  * slickymaster wanders to see how's his fish going
[21:04] <elfy> round and round looking out the glass
[21:04] <elfy> or frying ... 
[21:04] <ochosi> :)
[21:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: broken in what way?
[21:05] <elfy> ochosi: vm - tried 4 or 5 helps - all work 
[21:05] <bluesabre> there is an issue with firefox 35+ in vivid that links don't open
[21:05] <elfy> really? 35 worked when I had it
[21:06] <bluesabre> maybe just 36 then
[21:06] <elfy> 36 failed badly - had to go back, but there was only 34 available by then :|
[21:06] <bluesabre> yup
[21:06] <bluesabre> :'(
[21:06] <elfy> yea - I could ack that for sure :)
[21:06] <elfy> yea ... though I actually only noticed from inside (he)xchat
[21:07] <ochosi> oh
[21:07] <ochosi> hm, so maybe it's ff then
[21:08] <bluesabre> if ff opens at your home screen, then most likely
[21:08] <elfy> if that's what you're seeing I would think so 
[21:08] <elfy> bluesabre: I got - click link - ff opens new instance at 'home' iirc
[21:08] <bluesabre> yup
[21:08] <ochosi> yeah, got that too
[21:09] <elfy> ochosi: panic ye not :)
[21:10] <ochosi> ok ok
[21:10]  * ochosi calms himself down
[21:33] <knome> pleia2, that's fine
[21:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: indeed, help works fine with chromium
[21:36]  * ochosi shakes his fist at firefox
[21:37] <knome> silly ochosi, being mad at software :)
[21:37] <bluesabre> firefox protects your privacy by not letting you access the internet while drunk
[21:37] <bluesabre> or sober
[21:38] <knome> well it should if you're a jerk like ochosi...
[21:38]  * knome hides
[21:38] <elfy> hello knome 
[21:38] <knome> elfy, i can't talk, i'm hiding
[21:38] <knome> oops
[21:38] <knome> :P
[21:38] <elfy> lol
[21:39] <elfy> balloons is as good 
[21:39] <knome> good in what?
[21:39] <elfy> hiding
[21:39] <knome> :)
[22:20] <ochosi> jjfrv8: i think we have a "job opening" for you... :)
[22:20] <elfy> slickymaster: remember https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1404275/+merge/245201
[22:21] <elfy> bug is not invalid now :) 
[22:22] <elfy> \o/
[22:22] <elfy> can I go now ochosi :p
[22:22] <ochosi> which bug is not invalid now?
[22:22] <elfy> testcase one - still no need to panic :)
[22:22] <elfy> big 1404275
[22:23] <elfy> sigh
[22:23] <elfy> bug 1404275
[22:23] <knome> big big
[22:24] <elfy> enormous
[22:24] <elfy> fix the little bugs and the big big's are so big - they'll get left 
[22:24] <ochosi> :)
[22:25] <elfy> ochosi: I'm getting a bit itchy re 14.04.2 - if we only get the chance to do some quick smoketests to prove install - what's your opinion on that? 
[22:26] <ochosi> how many days are left now?
[22:26] <elfy> not including the 2 hours left today - 3 
[22:29] <ochosi> k
[22:29] <ochosi> i'd say we continue to ping infinity
[22:30] <ObrienDave> which test case do you need help with the most?
[22:30] <slickymaster> elfy: I'll review it tomorrow
[22:34] <elfy> ochosi: mmm - let's not all do that - given that I'm sure wxl will be doing it as well :)
[22:34] <elfy> slickymaster: okey doke - thanks 
[23:29] <elfy> ochosi: if you don't notice -release often - check now and you'll see what I meant :)
[23:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can you refresh and upload xubuntu-meta?
[23:32] <Unit193> slickymaster: Thanks for the comments!
[23:32] <bluesabre> Unit193: it's time?
[23:32] <Unit193> I'd say so.
[23:33] <elfy> Unit193: did you catch the image still being fubar? 
[23:33] <Unit193> elfy: Yeah, hoping this might help.
[23:34] <ochosi> elfy: i actually read it, mr release manager ;)
[23:34] <Unit193> Otherwise, will have to try and revert some changes.
[23:34] <elfy> ok Unit193 - as soon as I know the new one's there I'll sync it and check it here 
[23:35] <elfy> ochosi: ha - don't know if you've got things set to ping you there or not :)
[23:35] <elfy> I shall now wander off until Friday and see how the other 2 in release team did :D
[23:35] <Unit193> bluesabre: Of course take a look at the changelog and make sure nothing too odd.
[23:36] <bluesabre> Unit193: looks good for now
[23:36] <bluesabre> :)
[23:36] <elfy> Unit193: at some point if you could point me at 'what' and 'where' you look to see what this sort of issue could be - I'd love to know 
[23:37] <elfy> especially if you're going to be doing more 'other' stuff here
[23:37] <elfy> just not today ;)
[23:38] <slickymaster> at you service Unit193 ;)
[23:38] <elfy> which might be completely a non-starter, but if I can lessen *our* load somehow - always good 
[23:42] <elfy> ochosi: so I've never brought this up as a bug nor reported, because just assumed - apps, run some qt thing - clementine for example
[23:42] <knome> bluesabre, want me to ping Mirv again tomorrow?
[23:42] <elfy> change them - it changes, change them - it doesn't - fails to see theme change second time - needs reboot
[23:43] <ochosi> elfy: but generally it applies the theme the first time?
[23:43] <ochosi> needs reboot or restart of the app/s?
[23:43] <elfy> yep - clementine has numix - even though changed back to greybird
[23:43] <ochosi> right
[23:43] <elfy> nope - only restart
[23:43] <ochosi> i guess there's not much we can do about that...
[23:44] <ochosi> that used to be a problem wth gtk3 as well
[23:44] <ochosi> but they fixed it
[23:44] <elfy> ok - this is why I've not bothered mentioning it :)
[23:44] <ochosi> i'd say it's very low priority
[23:44] <elfy> assumed QT 
[23:44] <ochosi> yeah
[23:44] <elfy> yea yea 
[23:44] <ochosi> qt or the gtk-qt interaction
[23:45] <bluesabre> knome: sure, and I'll reach out to a few others in the morning
[23:45] <bluesabre> thanks
[23:45] <elfy> the trolltech thing we did a short while ago at least meant I didn't need to do any more than install tbh
[23:45] <knome> bluesabre, oki, i'll do that when i woke up or sth :D
[23:45] <bluesabre> great