[00:55] <mcc> Hello, I am playing around with linux on a new tablet pc... it just came out of the box and i'm not using it day to day yet so i am pretty ok with breaking stuff... i'm curious about kubuntu, esp. about anything that might make kubuntu usable for a touch screen...
[00:57] <mcc> i read an article talking about kubuntu 15.04 and plasma 5... do you think it would make more sense to try to download the 15.04 distribution, or the 14.10 distribution with the plasma 5 preview?
[00:58] <mcc> i guess i'm mostly just asking to see if anyone immediately says "don't do that, everything will catch on fire"
[00:58] <mattnpat> Do it.
[00:58] <mcc> WOOO
[00:58] <mattnpat> I odn't care.
[00:58] <mattnpat> Do what you wnat with your life.
[00:59] <mattnpat> Gnome 3's far superior on tablets.
[00:59] <mcc> gnome 3 looks nice... it seemed a little conusing on desktops though. like, i tried a fedora disk image and when you minimized there didn't seem to be a way to get the window back
[01:00] <mcc> i like their visual style better than new kde's tho
[01:00] <mcc> hey, one other question. do you know when kubuntu might start using weyland?
[01:03] <mattnpat> Meh.
[01:03] <mattnpat> Like I care.
[01:05] <VolUTFan> anyone here that can give me a clue?  I have still got problems with plasmashell crashing on login for 14.10 plasma5.  All I get is a darn blank kicker panel and nothing else, except yakuake starting so I at least have a terminal.  I was able to manually kill plasmashell with kquitapp5 plasmashell and relaunch manually using sudo plasmashell but on reboot I get nothing again..  Any ideas?
[01:05] <mattnpat> Meh.
[01:05] <VolUTFan> What I was doing prior to the problem was installation of a few packages like skype and handbrake
[01:05] <mattnpat> Aks someone else.
[01:38] <richard28711> i cannot get vlc to play my dvds..can someone help\
[01:41] <richard28711> Can  anybody c my question
[01:49] <mattnpat> Ugh.
[01:49] <mattnpat> Open the tab called "media" on the top bar and press "open disc".
[03:58] <phoenixz> Hey all, anybody who might know about a bug (Kubuntu 14.10) where the mouse cursor suddenly becomes invisible, and does not come back? Mouse is still working, just no cursor, and so far only solution was reboot, which kinda sucks..
[03:59] <phoenixz> I even tried system settings > workspace appearance > cursor theme, select different cursor, Apply, no effect
[07:06] <valorie> !dvd
[07:07] <valorie> oh pfff, he left
[07:07] <valorie> phoenixz: I used to see that happen, yes
[07:08] <valorie> not sure why, and since it was sporadic, I never filed a bug about it
[07:08] <phoenixz> valorie: I've seen it happen about 3-4 times in the past week, and never before..
[07:11] <valorie> I never could figure out what was causing it
[07:11] <valorie> doesn't happen now in plasma 5
[07:16] <soee> good morning
[08:10] <VolUTFan> Can anyone clue me in on how to get my usb flash drives to automount in 14.10 Plasma5?  I was able to make the settings change in system settings in earlier versions
[08:13] <soee> this should work without aby modifications i think
[08:41] <VolUTFan> anyone out there
[08:41] <hateball> !anyone
[08:42] <soee> hiho
[08:42] <soee> !ask
[08:42] <hateball> ubottu: Don't do that
[08:52] <valorie> hateball: if you want changes to the bot "facts" you can suggest those in #ubuntu-ops or the ubuntu-irc list
[08:53] <valorie> they get updated pretty frequently
[08:55] <hateball> valorie: well plenty of nice things like !anyone and others have been removed for whatever reason. I just have a hard time remembering that
[08:55] <hateball> Anyhow, !ask probably got the point across
[08:56] <Tm_T> hateball: it's often better to use your own words instead (:
[08:57] <valorie> hateball: yes, there was a big cleanup some time back
[08:59] <hateball> Tm_T: I don't have them aliased across my various clients ;|
[09:00] <Tm_T> hateball: what aliases
[09:04] <goatlord> Gotta go.
[09:05] <valorie> VolUTFan: did you have a question?
[09:05] <VolUTFan> Hey Valorie
[09:05] <VolUTFan> Yea, wasn't sure if you was online
[09:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:05] <VolUTFan> Hey Lordie, good to see you
[09:06] <lordievader> Hey VolUTFan, how are you?
[09:06] <VolUTFan> What I was wanting to know was if there was a way to automount USB drives in Plasma5 14.10, like there was in system settings in earlier versions
[09:06] <VolUTFan> I don't see that option yet in the non-stable version
[09:07] <lordievader> VolUTFan: If systemsettings 5 or 4 doesn't show that option you can allways make a udev rule.
[09:07] <VolUTFan> oh, and valorie, I think I finally pinned down what was causing my plamsa5 to stop responding on login.  I was installing ps3mediaserver from raring happy-neko
[09:08] <VolUTFan> apparently it didn't jive too well or something, so I worked around that
[09:08] <VolUTFan> Lordie, can you help me with the udev rule?  Never done that one before
[09:09] <VolUTFan> ok man on it says rules.d, still reading
[09:09] <lordievader> VolUTFan: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/udev
[09:09] <valorie> always the random PPAs cause problems
[09:09] <VolUTFan> what does lexical order mean?
[09:11] <lordievader> Alphabetical order.
[09:12] <VolUTFan> well then lol, apparently I was over analyzing it
[09:12] <VolUTFan> lol
[09:13] <lordievader> VolUTFan: A simple google search will usually answer those things ;)
[09:14] <VolUTFan> well I found a google page, but it was getting to the n'th power
[09:15] <lordievader> From Wikipedia: also known as lexical order, dictionary order, alphabetical order or lexicographic(al) product
[10:20] <Walex> the important notion here for "lexical order" is that it is locale (not just language) dependent and often surprising, as national conventions are different.
[10:21] <Walex> I set 'LC_COLLATE=C' to avoid a local national convention that is quite different from ASCII/ISO8859 ordering
[10:32] <Cray600> how can I adjust screen size ?
[10:38] <valorie> Cray600_: can you say more about what you want?
[10:39] <lordievader> Cray600_: System Settings -> Display and Monitor
[10:40] <Cray600_> yeah I have hdmi amd/ati  and cannot adjust screen size, bottom panel is off screen
[10:40] <lordievader> Cray600_: Use xrandr?
[10:41] <Cray600_> I have looked in display.monitor but no settings available
[10:41] <lordievader> Cray600_: Could you pastebin the output of 'xrandr'?
[10:41] <lordievader> !paste | Cray600_
[10:41] <Cray600_> what's xrandr
[10:45] <Cray600_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10271350/
[10:46] <lordievader> Cray600_: The HDMI is set at the highest available resolution.
[10:47] <Cray600_> so how do I change it then ?
[10:47] <lordievader> Cray600_: To what? 1080p is the max that HDMI can do.
[10:49] <Cray600_> yes I know,  I just want to see the bottom panel  it's very difficult if it's out of view
[10:49] <Cray600_> like 1200x780
[10:49] <lordievader> Is 1080p supported by your monitor?
[10:50] <Cray600_> yes
[10:50] <lordievader> Hmm, then it shouldn't fall of at places.
[10:50] <hateball> Is the thing connected over HDMI a TV?
[10:50] <hateball> It might have a setting for overscan
[10:51] <Cray600_> Oh I have it going through T.V hdmi
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:55] <knro> Is there any graphical fstab editors?
[12:58] <lordievader> knro: Any text editor?
[12:59] <OerHeks> There was one, PySDM, but nolonger maintained.
[13:02] <knro> lordievader: yes thank you for your insight, I was asking for GUI tools. How come it's 2015 and we don't have any simple GUI tools to manage something like fstab?
[13:02] <lordievader> Because a text editor is all you need.
[13:03] <lordievader> Having some GUI application for something so simple is, to me, silly.
[13:03] <knro> to you, for the 99% of homosapiens out there, it's not
[13:04] <knro> I have been using Linux for .. almost 14 years now, and why would I have to google fstab syntax? Sure, I got it done in 5 minutes but why would someone new to Linux do? they suffer.
[13:04] <mattnpat> I know.
[13:04] <mattnpat> I hate that there aren't any non deprecated programs for editing fstab.
[13:05] <knro> mattnpat: I'm surprised no one is actually working on it, I mean usually you'd find a gazillion media players duplicating each other work, but for something like fstab nothing!
[13:06] <mattnpat> I can't even find my fstab file.
[13:06] <mattnpat> It's there.
[13:06] <mattnpat> It's just invisible somehow.
[13:06] <mattnpat> It's invisible.
[13:07] <mattnpat> I can't see it.
[13:07] <knro> mattnpat: there is also another thing, so on my new harddrive, I just want to enrypt a folder... well, let me google it.. the only thing that can do this decently is Trucrypt and it's deprected now
[13:08] <mattnpat> Cryptfs is a bitch to use.
[13:08] <knro> There is some app for gnome, but it didn't work. There is Dolphin services for encfs or something, but that failed
[13:08] <mattnpat> I don't bother.
[13:08] <knro> I just want a password protected folder and I can't do it in 2015
[13:08] <mattnpat> Ever tried decrypting a folder?
[13:08] <mattnpat> I can't specify a certain folder.
[13:09] <mattnpat> I have to let it slowly scan everything on the computer.
[13:10] <knro> also, there is no decent hardware info in Kubuntu or any other distro for that matter. The only decent application is I-Nex and it should be included by default IMO, the rest simply sucks.
[13:11] <mattnpat> Yeah.
[13:12] <hateball> I dunno, I find inxi to be quite nice. Altho not installed by default
[13:12] <lordievader> knro: Have you tried the Kinfocenter?
[13:13] <knro> lordievader: yes and it's a joke compared to I-Nex.... the funny thing is, when editing my fstab, I had to resort to I-Nex to find the UUID of my hard drives. I used command line and it spit out too much info and not sure which is which.
[13:15] <knro> There is a great problem with "defaults".  For example, I didn't even know there was an easy way to configure the display. It should be included when I right-click on my desktop, not go to kicker, and start searching sub-menus
[13:15] <lordievader> knro: blkid?
[13:15] <mattnpat> I know.
[13:16] <knro> lordievader: The KDE Display Module, it's found in "Settings", but you can't find it under any menu, and from the desktop, you can't find it there either
[13:18] <knro> I was doing a presentation last year where we hooked to an external TV and I was embarrased not being able to connect to it... I typed "Monitor" in the kicker search.. nothing useful, then I found "Display" and it solved everything
[13:19] <knro> It should be available in the right-context menu on the plasma desktop. Right Click --> Display should be one of the options
[13:19] <BluesKaj> knro, sudo blkid for uuids
[13:20] <BluesKaj> quick and simple
[13:20] <knro> BluesKaj: I know, I "googled" it, and there is more than one command to get the uuids. But wouldn't it be nice if I used the .. god forbid... GUI?
[13:20] <knro> Actually I-Nex is easier, since it I can select which dev uuid I specifically want
[13:21] <BluesKaj> knro, I prefer the cli , simple and quick , even for an old windows guy like me
[13:22] <knro> BluesKaj: I hold the opposite philosophy.. the user shouldn't use the cli unless absolutely necessary.
[13:22] <knro> and I design all my software with that in mind
[13:24] <BluesKaj> yeah right
[13:26] <remline> "When you write a program that provides a graphical user interface... please provide a command-line interface to control the functionality... Please also consider providing a D-bus interface...  In addition, consider providing a library interface" - GNU Coding Standards
[13:28] <knro> Most aspects are exposed via DBus, only very few cli options are available that 0.1% of the users would ever use.
[13:28] <knro> I'm talking about KDE here of course
[13:28] <knro> KDE apps specifically
[13:30]  * lordievader loves DBus
[13:30] <knro> It is great, especially DBus with Python!
[13:31] <knro> DBus is one of the things they really got it right.
[13:32] <remline> I find it slightly humorous that RMS essentially is saying, "as long as you are making a program, you might as well expose a bunch of interfaces" -- this strikes me as slightly wishful thinking, although one can't argue against the principle.
[14:48] <djeimsyxuis_> hey apotheon
[17:48] <vip> hi there
[17:48] <vip> is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports missing sddm intentionally?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> vip, nope, sddm-kcm is included https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[18:51] <trevize> hello, have a question regarding usb speeds. when I plug my usb disk I have full write speed 30/mbs, dmesg shows ehci-pci. but when I plug another usb device on another usb port, the usb disk gets disconnected and then reconnects using uhci_hcd
[18:51] <trevize> is there any way to fix this?
[18:52] <trevize> *reconnecting using uhci_hcd drops usb speed to kbits
[18:56] <vip> but there is no way to install sddm-kcm
[18:58] <BluesKaj> vip, have you updated your sources to include kubuntu-next ?
[18:58] <vip> BluesKaj:  i did sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports
[18:58] <vip> 19:57 [vip:/etc/apt/sources.list.d]$ cat kubuntu-ppa-ubuntu-next-backports-utopic.list
[18:58] <vip> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/next-backports/ubuntu utopic main
[18:59] <vip> BluesKaj: https://gist.github.com/vip9/7fd09f29ca399e41a17a
[19:00] <BluesKaj> ok did you run an update and upgrade first, vip
[19:01] <vip> yup, I did
[19:01] <vip> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging/+build/6753724
[19:02] <vip> there's no sddm-kcm package build for amd64
[19:02] <vip> nor i386
[19:04] <BluesKaj> no this the ppa you should install https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next ...remove the prvious one with the bacports or comment it
[19:04] <BluesKaj> assume you're on 14.10 btw
[19:04] <vip> yes I am
[19:05] <BluesKaj> ok , sddm is included in the ppa I posted above
[19:05] <vip> BluesKaj: so there's an error in http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.2 ?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> vip , perhaps you should ask in #kubuntu-devel then because I'm not familair with those ppas anymore , I've already upgraded to 15.04 ...but i keep 15.10 with plsam4  as my base due to stability
[19:08] <BluesKaj> err 14.10 :)
[19:15] <vip> BluesKaj: thanks