| infinity | wxl: I'm going to spin up new RCs for everyone tonight after I get my last livecd-rootfs tweaks tested and in place. | 00:04 |
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| wxl | infinity: kthx | 00:05 |
| elfy | infinity: awesome sauce | 00:05 |
| wxl | vivid's being funky too it seems, but we'll gross that bridge later ☺ | 00:06 |
| elfy | I'll be up and about earlier UTC and will be able to see how our's look asap | 00:06 |
| elfy | wxl: I'll cross it instead if you don't mind - my days of gross are long gone :p | 00:07 |
| wxl | elfy: argh, you know what i meant. i was typing with one hand | 00:07 |
| wxl | infinity: tonight = what in utc? | 00:08 |
| elfy | wxl: tomorrow for you I guess - why not just tell your people to look for change in image name on tracker if you're going to be asleep? | 00:09 |
| elfy | because the time is likely to be when it's done :) | 00:09 |
| wxl | so evening utc tuesday then elfy ? | 00:11 |
| elfy | wxl: dude I don't know | 00:13 |
| elfy | if I have to mark it not ready then that's what I'll do - but as long as I can smoketest the image I suspect I won't | 00:14 |
| elfy | I'll just make it plain in release notes | 00:14 |
| infinity | wxl: Tonight meaning late for me, in North American time. Still need to work the last kinks out of myth, studio, and kylin, and then push the changes for everyone. | 02:34 |
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| Mirv | archive admin consultance (preNEW accept) needed for Compiz that adds compiz-mate package, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-021 - summary of packaging changes https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-2-publish/32/artifact/packaging_changes_compiz_1%3A0.9.12.1+15.04.20150213-0ubuntu1.diff | 12:33 |
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| elfy | anyone got an idea why lubuntu/gnome/kylin/studio and xubuntu have no dailies for vivid today? | 15:57 |
| infinity | elfy: Picking GNOME at random from your list, it looks like it built fine. | 16:02 |
| infinity | elfy: Unless today isn't the 17th... | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | yesterday the 17th was tomorrow | 16:06 |
| infinity | ogra_: Ow. | 16:06 |
| elfy | infinity: lol - so that built in the last short while :) | 16:08 |
| elfy | mine is still showing the 16th on the tracker | 16:08 |
| infinity | Speaking of builds, I *think* I finally sorted out everyone's task->meta messes for trusty. | 16:09 |
| infinity | And am rebuilding the world right now. | 16:09 |
| infinity | I'll check manifests when they're all done and see if I missed anything, but hopefully I got it all in this pass. | 16:09 |
| elfy | infinity: thanks :) | 16:11 |
| elfy | rest still showing as 16th - has the time these things build been changed? | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | lubuntu failed it seems | 16:16 |
| * ogra_ notices a build failure mail | 16:16 | |
| elfy | infinity: booted 64bit - that looks more like it :) thanks | 17:11 |
| infinity | elfy: Nice. I'll go diffing things in a bit to make sure I got all the bits right in my own estimation, but if it looks sane, that's a good start. | 17:12 |
| elfy | indeed :) | 17:12 |
| elfy | still not sure what's up with vivid - but one thing at a time - more interested in trying to get trusty tested again | 17:13 |
| elfy | Riddell: you got a minute? | 17:21 |
| wxl | infinity: didn't see your email but i assume we're good? did you have any luck fixing the lubuntu alternate image? | 17:48 |
| infinity | wxl: I haven't sent the email yet, cause I want to diff all the manifests, but we should be good for desktop images. | 17:49 |
| wxl | infinity: so alternate is an unknown? | 17:49 |
| infinity | wxl: I'm less inclined to try to fix the alternate, to be honest. | 17:49 |
| infinity | wxl: But I can look at it later and see if the fix is simple enough. | 17:50 |
| wxl | infinity: k thanks, hope you didn't have to pull an all nighter :) | 17:50 |
| infinity | wxl: I might have... | 17:50 |
| wxl | :( | 17:50 |
| infinity | It happens. :P | 17:50 |
| wxl | well thank you for your hard work regardless, infinity | 17:50 |
| wxl | infinity: so server is going to suggest netboot/mini.iso then? | 18:07 |
| elfy | infinity - so I've quickly done all 10 of our tests with trusty on vb and am pleased to have 10 passes instead of fails - so thanks awfully :) | 18:16 |
| infinity | wxl: No, server doesn't have the same issue. | 18:27 |
| wxl | infinity: well that's lucky :) | 18:27 |
| infinity | wxl: Since server doesn't ship X. | 18:27 |
| wxl | ah, i didn't realize it was x-specific | 18:27 |
| infinity | wxl: Yeah, this is all about the X HWE stack. | 18:28 |
| infinity | elfy: That's encouraging. | 18:28 |
| wxl | infinity: so it's about the change from tasks to metapackages specifically for the x hwe stack? | 18:28 |
| infinity | wxl: Right. | 18:28 |
| wxl | infinity: oohhhhhhhhh, well now that clears things up quite a bit. thanks, then. | 18:29 |
| infinity | wxl: Because tasks don't change post-release, so we can't make the *-desktop tasks suddenly pull in the new X stack. | 18:29 |
| ogra_ | will be interesting what happens to this in Mirland | 18:29 |
| infinity | ogra_: I suspect Mir will still need a fair bit of the X framework for a long while, unless "switch to Mir" also implies "and only support 3 video cards", so... We'll see. | 18:29 |
| wxl | infinity: wow, how did we ever survive using tasks before? | 18:29 |
| infinity | wxl: We did this same thing in precise with the HWE point releases there. | 18:30 |
| ogra_ | infinity, right, so we might end up with two hwe stacks for a while | 18:30 |
| ogra_ | for the graphical bits | 18:30 |
| wxl | infinity: so will we be metapackage only for 16.04 and on? | 18:30 |
| infinity | wxl: I'm pondering that question. Doing the switch at .2 hurts a lot, so doing .0 with metapackages makes some sense. But tasks are a bit more convenient for $reasons. | 18:31 |
| infinity | wxl: There are some ways we could make tasks post-release manglable, so thinking about that too. | 18:31 |
| wxl | infinity: yes, there has been some concern about not using tasks. still, i see this whole transition to be a royal pain in the you-know-what for the release team (i.e. you in this case!) | 18:32 |
| infinity | Hrm, and lubuntu powerpc is FTBFS. Fun. | 18:35 |
| * infinity scratches his head at that one. | 18:37 | |
| wxl | infinity: that is of major sucking, as lubuntu has changed to really only supporting ppc on lts | 18:39 |
| infinity | wxl: Well, people who install with 14.04 and upgrade are fine. It's just the 14.04.2 livefs that's hating me. | 18:42 |
| infinity | wxl: But I'll look at it after I've rested a bit. | 18:42 |
| wxl | infinity: we're seeing the lack of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics still in the live session. is it possible that the live session would fail but the install would work fine? | 19:01 |
| infinity | wxl: Erm... | 19:02 |
| infinity | wxl: Which image? | 19:02 |
| wxl | infinity: desktop i386 | 19:02 |
| infinity | wxl: And are you just looking for the package name, or the functionality? :P | 19:02 |
| wxl | infinity: is the package not required for functionality? :) | 19:03 |
| infinity | wxl: Oh, hrm. Okay, I did all my testing on amd64... i386 does seem confused. :/ | 19:04 |
| wxl | <more expletives> | 19:04 |
| wxl | infinity: i hate to ask this, but i assume you can resolve this? | 19:05 |
| infinity | wxl: I'm sure it can be resolved. | 19:06 |
| infinity | wxl: I first need to sort out why it's broken. | 19:06 |
| wxl | infinity: thank you. please keep me updated. | 19:06 |
| infinity | I might need to explicitly install xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-utopic, that's all. | 19:08 |
| wxl | infinity: if that's what it is. i did do a diff on old versus new if that's helpful | 19:08 |
| infinity | wxl: Have the diff handy? | 19:09 |
| wxl | infinity: several available in the bug description of 1417784 | 19:10 |
| wxl | oops bug 1417784 | 19:10 |
| ubot93 | bug 1417784 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "several packages missing or added in Lubuntu 14.04.2 manifests" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417784 | 19:10 |
| infinity | Yeah, it looks like, for some insane reason, it's picking evdev instead of all. | 19:12 |
| infinity | Implicitly installing all should fix it. | 19:12 |
| wxl | infinity: okie dokie. none of the other differences are an issue? | 19:12 |
| infinity | wxl: The others should have been fixed already in my previous pass, I believe. | 19:14 |
| wxl | okie dokie | 19:15 |
| wxl | infinity: let me know when we should go for a rebuild | 19:16 |
| infinity | wxl: I'm going to do a pass of all the manfiests for all arches and flavours, I guess, and see where we stand, so I'm not doing a bunch of fixes in a row. | 19:16 |
| infinity | wxl: But if you can test amd64, and assume I'll fix i386 soon, that'd be cool. :P | 19:17 |
| wxl | infinity: on it | 19:17 |
| infinity | wxl: Since it seems napping isn't going to be an option, I'm going to eat and take a TV/lunch break before I get to that, but should be sorted with new images spit out in, say, 4h or so. | 19:18 |
| wxl | cool, thanks infinity | 19:21 |
| jderose | found an issue with UEFI mode desktop installs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1422864 | 19:29 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1422864 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "14.04.2: UEFI: linux 3.13.0-45 downloaded during install" [Undecided,New] | 19:30 |
| cyphermox | jderose: looking | 20:33 |
| jderose | cyphermox: thanks! i've never been clear on why the uefi-mode installs download the newest kernel but bios-mode doesn't. either way, it's not downloading the correct one :) | 20:41 |
| cyphermox | jderose: well, the "newest" is the correct one and is on the CD anyway, but something is convincing ubiquity to get an older one. | 20:45 |
| jderose | yeah, seems it's on the 14.04.1 track still. | 20:46 |
| * infinity boggles at lubuntu missing a dep of lubuntu-desktop, but having lubuntu-desktop installed... | 20:49 | |
| cyphermox | o.o; | 20:50 |
| infinity | Oh, because it's provided by gnome-system-tools as well. Brilliant. | 20:51 |
| infinity | And, gnome-time-admin is a transitional package that shouldn't even be seeded. Okay, that's one mystery I can stop caring about. | 20:52 |
| cyphermox | infinity: there is much yuckiness in gnome-system-tools :) | 20:53 |
| infinity | Meh, still a few other manifest diff bugs too. *sigh* | 20:57 |
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| cyphermox | infinity: so, it's base-installer explicitly getting you to install linux-signed-generic, linux-signed-image-generic, that gets queries in ubiquity's scripts/check-kernels | 21:14 |
| cyphermox | looks like base-installer/kernel/altmeta should allow for tweaking this, but perhaps not enough for signed kernels | 21:14 |
| cyphermox | or any really. maybe it's not meant for that | 21:16 |
| infinity | altmeta is meant to deal with that, yes. But we don't preseed it on desktop installs because we don't have a kernel to select. | 21:17 |
| infinity | And therein lies the problem, I imagine. | 21:17 |
| cyphermox | hm, true | 21:17 |
| cyphermox | the sed looks unsufficient anyway | 21:18 |
| infinity | I wonder if we had a preseed on precise, and I'm just missing that bit somewhere. | 21:18 |
| infinity | It does? altmeta works great on the server ISOs. Or, should do. | 21:18 |
| cyphermox | trying to look that up but I'm waiting for the install to finish | 21:18 |
| cyphermox | infinity: sed 's/$/-$RET/', it won't change -generic into xyz-generic, but I may be misunderstanding the intent | 21:19 |
| cyphermox | download to finish, I mean | 21:19 |
| infinity | cyphermox: No, it changes linux-generic into linux-generic-lts-utopic | 21:20 |
| cyphermox | ah | 21:20 |
| cyphermox | magic! | 21:20 |
| infinity | cyphermox: $ (end of line) becomes -$RET (-lts-utopic) | 21:20 |
| cyphermox | yes, I can read regex | 21:20 |
| infinity | See, I assumed you could, but you seemed to be reading it backwards. Maybe. :) | 21:20 |
| cyphermox | no | 21:20 |
| infinity | Or French. | 21:20 |
| infinity | Stop reading in French. | 21:20 |
| cyphermox | I just didn't know we had a linux-generic-lts-utopic | 21:20 |
| infinity | Ahh. :) | 21:21 |
| cyphermox | how about you start learning French? two official languages and all of that ;) | 21:21 |
| infinity | I was fully bilingual as a child. | 21:21 |
| cyphermox | d-ibase-installer/kernel/altmetastring lts-saucy | 21:22 |
| infinity | I've lost most of my vocabulary since I stopped using it. | 21:22 |
| cyphermox | magic! | 21:22 |
| infinity | Magic, and stale magic at that. | 21:22 |
| infinity | Since that probably should have been trusty, if that was a 12.04.5 image. :/ | 21:22 |
| cyphermox | nah, it was .4 | 21:22 |
| infinity | Where is that preseed? | 21:23 |
| cyphermox | you mean on the CD or in livecd-rootfs/ubuntu-cdimage? | 21:23 |
| infinity | On the CD. | 21:23 |
| infinity | From debian-cd, it looks like it should be there for trusty too... | 21:24 |
| cyphermox | preseed/ubuntu.seed | 21:24 |
| * infinity downloads a trusty ISO to look. | 21:24 | |
| cyphermox | ehhh | 21:29 |
| cyphermox | it's there already | 21:29 |
| infinity | That's what I assumed. :/ | 21:29 |
| infinity | So, either the preseed isn't being read correctly, or it's not base-installer's fault we're getting that kernel installed. | 21:30 |
| cyphermox | I'd like to assume the preseed works | 21:30 |
| infinity | I know it works with d-i installs (server CD and netinst), but ubiuity and I have never been on the best of terms. | 21:30 |
| infinity | Perhaps a log from your install implies what it was thinking when it happened? :/ | 21:31 |
| cyphermox | working on it | 21:32 |
| wxl | infinity: lubuntu amd64 desktop is a go, so at least that's good. alternate is hosed, but i'm not surprised. | 21:32 |
| infinity | wxl: amd64 is still a bit broken too, but glad you didn't notice. :P | 21:32 |
| wxl | aw great, infinity | 21:33 |
| melodie | hello | 21:35 |
| melodie | I have had a few talks with wxl about the issues met in Lubuntu. wxl said on the list and on another chan that infinity is in charge of the hard job : fix the issues. | 21:37 |
| infinity | melodie: infinity is working on it currently. | 21:37 |
| melodie | how can the fact that the packages linux-libc-dev and two depends of this package are not mentioned in the lubuntu trusty daily filesystem.manifest? | 21:38 |
| melodie | I have seen them in Ubuntu, in Xubuntu one of them. Not in Lubuntu | 21:38 |
| infinity | melodie: They never were in lubuntu's manifest. | 21:38 |
| melodie | can that affect the behavior of the installer or other important parts? | 21:38 |
| melodie | they were in 2012 when I did a search for a project of mine. | 21:38 |
| melodie | so that's unrelated? | 21:38 |
| infinity | melodie: Please compare to the 14.04 lubuntu manifest, not to another flavour. | 21:39 |
| melodie | infinity ok. will do. | 21:39 |
| melodie | thanks. | 21:39 |
| infinity | cyphermox: So, the preseed is definitely being found at least. Whether it's influencing ubiquity's abuse of base-installer is another question entirely. | 21:42 |
| elfy | infinity: just quick mention that I'm sure you'll see - we appear to have xscreensaver and mate-notification-daemon in our newest image | 21:42 |
| infinity | elfy: Yeah, noticed already and committing fixes. | 21:43 |
| elfy | awesome :) | 21:43 |
| infinity | Well, fixes committed for mate-notification-daemon ... Need to sort out xscreensaver. | 21:43 |
| elfy | ok - ty | 21:43 |
| infinity | elfy: Okay, and xscreensaver sorted too, I think. | 21:48 |
| elfy | excellent | 21:49 |
| elfy | rebuilds coming sometime by tomorrow? or request myself ? | 21:49 |
| infinity | elfy: Well, I need to upload first. :P | 21:49 |
| infinity | elfy: Rebuilds will be done by me for everyone, I think. | 21:50 |
| elfy | lol - I didn't mean I'll go do that now :) | 21:50 |
| infinity | elfy: Hoping to hunt down this efi/signed thing too. | 21:50 |
| elfy | aah - super - I'll just wait for notification of it then :) | 21:50 |
| infinity | elfy: OOI, do you test amd64 on UEFI systems? | 21:51 |
| elfy | not personally | 21:51 |
| infinity | elfy: I assume LP: #1422864 is a universal bug (can't see why it wouldn't be). | 21:51 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1422864 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "14.04.2: UEFI: linux 3.13.0-45 downloaded during install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422864 | 21:51 |
| elfy | not sure if anyone does specifically for us | 21:51 |
| elfy | tbh I've never needed to worry about UEFI | 21:52 |
| infinity | elfy: The time will come soon, I'm sure. :P | 21:52 |
| infinity | elfy: Hard to buy a new machine that doesn't force you to care. | 21:53 |
| infinity | Or, getting harder anyway. | 21:53 |
| elfy | well this machine has uefi pretty sure - but don't install - boot the usb to the other option | 21:54 |
| elfy | certainly no EFI in /boot which I thought is where it would be | 21:54 |
| infinity | cyphermox: If you make sense of the kernel thing, or need a sounding board, let me know. I'm going to veg for a bit and try to not fall asleep. | 21:57 |
| cyphermox | ugh, doing the best I can | 21:58 |
| cyphermox | I'm testing this here but I can't seem to reproduce it just yet by hacking my way about it | 21:58 |
| cyphermox | now trying a proper install with efi | 21:58 |
| cyphermox | but really, efi or not you should get the same preseed behavior and the same kernel name mangling from altmeta and stuffs | 21:58 |
| infinity | cyphermox: Yes, but without efi, it never tries to install/keep the signed kernel, so that whole path might be skipped. | 21:59 |
| infinity | cyphermox: At least, this is my guess. | 21:59 |
| cyphermox | yeah, but that's exactly what I was trying to reproduce just looking at /var/lib/ubiquity/install-kernel and remove-kernel | 22:00 |
| cyphermox | they looked fine either way, if I just went running check-kernel for efi or non-efi | 22:00 |
| infinity | preferred_kernels="$(echo "$preferred_kernels" | sed "s/$/-$RET/"; \ | 22:02 |
| infinity | echo "$preferred_kernels")" | 22:02 |
| cyphermox | yep | 22:02 |
| infinity | for kernel in $preferred_kernels; do | 22:02 |
| infinity | I read that second block as "I'm going to try to install the 'signed' variant of everything!" | 22:03 |
| infinity | That's scripts/check-kernels | 22:03 |
| cyphermox | yes | 22:03 |
| infinity | At least, that's a naive stab in the dark on my part, I don't know how it all hooks back into reality. | 22:04 |
| infinity | But that would install linux-signed-generic-lts-utopic (already there) *and* linux-signed-generic | 22:05 |
| cyphermox | ah, here it's getting into remove-kernels... not good | 22:05 |
| infinity | ie: I think the second "echo $preferred_kernels" is probably what's biting us. | 22:06 |
| jderose | cyphermox: please let me know if you'd like me to help test anything... i have a qemu VM setup for uefi, so easy to do quick tests | 22:25 |
| infinity | jderose: I think we've logicked it out. Easiest testing method will be live-patching a VM before running ubiquity, when there's a patch, someone might paste it to you for sanity checking. | 22:26 |
| jderose | infinity: cool, thanks | 22:26 |
| melodie | good night | 22:46 |
| infinity | jderose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10280647/ might do the trick. | 22:55 |
| infinity | jderose: Not entirely sure where scripts/check-kernels lives on the live filesystem, but "dpkg -S check-scripts" should find it. | 22:55 |
| infinity | Err, check-kernels. | 22:55 |
| jderose | infinity: okay, i'll give it a test. so just modify this file in the live enviroment before starting the installer, right? | 22:56 |
| infinity | jderose: Right. | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | would any archive admins be interested in releasing this to the archive? :-) New source: lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings (vivid-proposed/primary) [1.1.0-0ubuntu1] | 22:58 |
| jderose | infinity: fix seems to work in that 3.13 is not getting installed. although that doesn't prove it would correctly download a newer 3.16 kernel were it available :) | 23:12 |
| infinity | jderose: Well, if the system reboots and has linux-signed-lts-utopic installed, that should be proof it worked correctly. | 23:13 |
| infinity | jderose: Since those packages are removed if not "needed". | 23:13 |
| jderose | infinity: but linux-signed-lts-utopic was installed before.... the problem was that 3.13 was also needlessly installed | 23:14 |
| infinity | jderose: Right. I'm saying that it won't have regressed if it's still installing it. :P | 23:15 |
| jderose | ah, gotcha | 23:15 |
| infinity | jderose: So, if 3.16's signed is there and no 3.13 is there, we win. | 23:15 |
| infinity | jderose: As soon as you tell me the rebooted system looks sane, kernel-wise, I'll commit and upload this. | 23:20 |
| jderose | infinity: yup, rebooted, looked good | 23:22 |
| cyphermox | awesome | 23:23 |
| infinity | jderose: Thanks for the testing! | 23:32 |
| jderose | infinity: cyphermox: np. thanks for the quick fix! | 23:32 |
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