[00:01] <PLA1> popey: Hello. Just hopped on this channel today.
[00:02] <popey> nice to see you :)
[00:04] <PLA1> popey: Thanks. You rock.
[00:05] <popey> Team effort \o/
[00:05] <PLA1> The webbrowser-app doesn't appear to handle http basic authentication. Before I file a bug can someone confirm it is not just me.
[00:08] <b43> anybody have any idea how to install lxle on a tablet, not virtual but to replace the existing os
[00:08] <mcc> Hello... I recently got a touchscreen laptop (Yoga 3 nonpro)... i am looking for a linux distribution which can be flexible about DPI (the DPI is weird) and which does something that feels kind of right with the touch screen...
[00:09] <popey> PLA1: what, you don't get a dialog?
[00:09] <mcc> curious if ubuntu touch is worth looking into where i can find out more about what i should expect from it... is this something i can use as a desktop/development distribution or is it exclusively for mobile devices?
[00:10] <popey> ;.
[00:10] <popey> PLA1: tested, agreed, it's busted.
[00:10] <PLA1> popey: Unauthorized.
[00:10] <PLA1> I will file a bug. Thanks for the verification.
[00:10] <b43> google is of no help, tryin to find instructions to load lxle on a windows tablet
[00:12] <popey> PLA1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app please file there, let me have the link once you do and I'll confirm
[00:12] <popey> b43: what's lxle?
[00:12] <b43> similar to lubuntu, but with full apps n suites
[00:13] <b43> only way i kno so far is with a dvd, but the tablet does not have any optical drives, so i need instructions before i try it straight from the sd card
[00:13] <popey> b43: probably a question for #lubuntu or #ubuntu, but not here
[00:13] <popey> IMO
[00:13] <b43> i came from #ubuntu, i was referred to this channel
[00:13] <popey> this is -touch where we talk mostly about phones and tablets and touch screen laptops
[00:14] <popey> hmm
[00:14] <b43> they said they dont work with tablets
[00:14] <popey> odd
[00:14] <b43> the tablet im tryin to load it in is a touch screen tablet
[00:14] <popey> so i see
[00:14] <wxl> sounds like a question for #lxle, b43
[00:14]  * popey pokes daftykins in #ubuntu
[00:14] <b43> ok wxl, i will try lxle
[00:14] <wxl> but even for that matter, lubuntu isn't going to support such a thing
[00:15] <b43> ive seen videos on youtube already with people havin multi touch tablets with lubuntu loaded on it
[00:16] <wxl> yeah i've seen such things, too, and they've usually gone through all sorts of hassles to get it work
[00:16] <b43> id rather go through some hassles than keep this as a windows device, i fkin hate windows
[00:16] <wxl> by hassles, i mean writing modules
[00:16] <wxl> hacking basic input
[00:16] <wxl> etc etc etc
[00:17] <b43> oh crap, so there wont be any instructions at all??
[00:17] <wxl> exactly
[00:17] <popey> surely this is just a pc with a touch screen?
[00:17] <popey> nothing special
[00:17] <popey> i had one 6 years ago
[00:17] <b43> no its a windows tablet, not a desktop or laptop
[00:18] <mcc> lenovo sells it as like a convertable laptop
[00:18] <b43> lubuntu has virtual keyboard right from synaptics, so its doable
[00:18] <popey> http://www.johnlewis.com/lenovo-yoga-3-pro-convertible-ultrabook-intel-core-m-8gb-ram-256gb-ssd-13-3-qhd-touch-screen/p1759067
[00:18] <b43> the one i have is not a laptop, its strictly tablet
[00:18] <popey> that?
[00:18] <b43> no, strictly tablet
[00:18] <wxl> kind of like windows phone
[00:18] <b43> yes, but significantly bigger
[00:19] <popey> http://blog.networkmarketingjobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/dom-joly-phone.jpg
[00:19] <popey> like that?
[00:20] <b43> surface pro 3
[00:20] <b43> lmao, not quite that big
[00:20] <popey> :)
[00:20] <b43> hahahaha, thats too big
[00:21] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCgYDsuR2xs
[00:21] <popey> etc
[00:22] <b43> inconsiderate
[00:22] <b43> hahahaa, i think i want a giant phone like that
[00:23] <PLA1> http basic auth bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1422534
[00:24] <popey> thanks PLA1
[00:25] <b43> theres only 2 bots in #lxle
[00:25] <PLA1> popey: :-)
[00:25] <b43> so is it a dead end in terms of instructions?
[00:28] <b43> how bout regular ubuntu then, im sure it would basically be the same, so what do i put exactly on the sd card??
[00:29] <popey> its an intel device, right?
[00:29] <b43> yes
[00:29] <b43> intel, not arm
[00:30] <popey> worth trying desktop ubuntu on a usb stick, for sure.
[00:30] <b43> n boot from usb?
[00:30] <popey> I honestly have never seen this kind of thing so don't know
[00:30] <b43> ouch, if it doesnt work, the reset function wont even work
[00:30] <OerHeks> b43 maybe a good start http://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/2pbcwj/stepbystep_guide_for_install_ubuntu_on_the/ && http://www.reddit.com/r/surfacelinux
[00:31] <b43> ok ill check it out, thx oerheks
[00:32] <b43> ugh, it says have to repartion =/
[00:32] <b43> oh, they want dual boot, i dont want to windows to remain
[00:32] <OerHeks> Yes, unless you wipe windows.
[00:32] <b43> the windows**
[00:32] <popey> sounds like fun
[00:32] <b43> thats idea, i dont want any microsoft POS left when all is said n done
[00:33] <b43> i dont want dual boot or virtual drive or whatever, i want windows completely gone
[00:35] <OerHeks> 'use entire disk' is the option for you
[00:36] <b43> ok, im doin some readin
[00:37] <b43> heh, so it is goin to be through usb drive, lol, never would have thought of that
[00:38] <b43> cant believe i was stumped by this, but i sure didnt want to have to use an external dvd drive
[00:42]  * keithzg went over pretty exclusively to USB and PXE installs years ago. It's the future, whoo!
[00:44] <b43> ugh, cant do it yet, need a usb to ethernet cord, just in case the wifi drivers dont work right after fresh install
[00:46] <popey> i have a couple of those kicking around
[00:46] <popey> surprisingly the Apple one works better than most
[00:46] <b43> let me borrow one, but not the apple
[00:46] <popey> the Nintendo Wii one also works well
[00:46] <b43> i hate apple worse than windows
[00:46] <popey> meh
[00:47] <popey> I used to
[00:47] <popey> Then realised their just people making their way in the world like the rest of us.
[00:47] <b43> u couldnt pay me enough money to willingly use apple for myself
[00:47] <popey> heh
[00:47] <popey> I have an iPhone I never use now, so that's a good thing I guess :)
[00:47] <b43> id rather be dead ass broke n homeless than support apple
[00:47] <popey> hah
[00:47]  * popey steps back a bit ㋛
[00:48] <popey> We can learn some things from them :)
[00:48] <b43> no apple for me, no exceptions
[00:48] <popey> ok.
[00:48] <b43> id even sell my liver or kidney or both before i become an apple supporter
[00:48] <OerHeks> What had we to do without cups, ...
[00:49] <keithzg> OerHeks: Not quite fair, Apple bought the folks who did CUPS
[00:50] <popey> also, they gave khtml (webkit) a kick up the arse
[00:50] <keithzg> Again, though, that's mostly just money.
[00:50] <popey> Which, they have an awful lot of.
[00:50] <keithzg> KHTML versus early versions of webkit wasn't really that different (I should know, I ran Konqueror as my primary browser for years, heh)
[00:50] <keithzg> Yeah, but the think is that means the only thing we can really learn from them is "if you have money, you'll be sucessful"
[00:51] <keithzg> which, sure, that's capitalism, but it's not a development direction ;)
[00:52] <keithzg> There are lessons to be learned from Apple's success, definitely. But their approach is by no means one that FOSS should, or even can, actually emulate.
[00:53] <b43> i still cannot and will not follow apple, period
[00:53] <popey> (I think we got that)
[00:53] <keithzg> ;)
[00:53] <b43> ok, as long as we r on the same page on that
[00:53]  * popey prints that out to be sure
[00:53] <popey> via cups
[00:54] <keithzg> Again, CUPS was developed for years by an entirely different set of folks, only bought later by Apple after it was successful :P
[00:54] <b43> cups is a lost cause now that apple took over
[00:55] <b43> as good as damaged goods
[00:55] <keithzg> Ehhh it's gotten a bit worse but it's not terrible. But also, who prints anything anymore?
[00:55] <popey> Ok, lets move on :)
[00:55] <OerHeks> My 1st lesson from an linux proffesional: drop the anti-windows an d apple attitude, oerheks, it won't help you further.
[00:56] <keithzg> OerHeks: Indeed, hatred is both off-putting and also can mislead you. It *is* important to understand how any why other software exists and succeeds (or fails).
[00:57] <b43> proprietary = insta-banned
[01:00] <keithzg> I prefer to approach things as more of a "non-proprietary = ooh, cool, I'll try that out"
[01:00] <keithzg> Positive enthusiasm is more infectious
[01:01] <b43> software is meant to be free, but customization from developers is well worth payin for
[01:01] <b43> just like with cars, plain stock is nothin special, shouldnt be hard to come by, but when u want it custom, u end up drillin a couple new holes in ur pockets
[01:03] <keithzg> Sure sure, and developers have to eat, so if you like what they do and want to donate or want to pay them to work on something specific, that's definitely a good thing
[01:04] <b43> i miss havin a developer as a housemate
[01:06] <b43> i got everything as custom as humanly possible, sometimes more, but i sure dont miss him cleanin me out lol
[01:35] <teatss> !vhost
[02:00] <fayad> Hi. Planning to replace Android with Ubuntu touch on nexus 7 2012. This is the doc I am going to follow https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[02:00] <fayad> Anything else I should keep in mind, please advise
[02:00] <popey> yup
[02:00] <popey> Nexus 7 2012 is no longer supported
[02:01] <popey> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/devices/
[02:01] <popey> notice "deprecated"
[02:02] <fayad> Hi popey, good to see you. Hope your cats are good
[02:02] <popey> they are!
[02:02] <popey> I'm giving them overdoses of catnip :)
[02:02] <fayad> : )
[02:02] <fayad> That's bad. So it can't be installed on 2012 nexus 7 ?
[02:03] <fayad> I mean no longer supported
[02:03] <popey> nope
[02:03] <fayad> hmm
[02:04] <fayad> Which means it will install but I won't get any updates for it
[02:04] <popey> yeah
[02:04] <popey> and the install will be ye olde
[02:05] <fayad> hmm got it
[02:05] <popey> sorry
[02:06] <fayad> its okay. i'll steal my friends. Or try to exchange with him. He has a 2013 nexus 7
[02:06] <fayad> :)
[02:06] <popey> yeah, steal it!
[02:07] <popey> the nexus 7 2013 is much nicer
[02:07] <fayad> yes. 100%
[02:07] <fayad> better hardware so it runs smooth
[02:07] <popey> I use my nexus 7 2012 as a second screen
[02:07] <popey> it runs irssinotifier and is permanently on charge
[02:08] <fayad> : )
[02:09] <popey> o/ bed
[02:09] <fayad> Interesting. A tab exclusively for irc
[02:15] <fayad> okay good night. guess its time for bed
[02:17] <fayad> the old nexus 7 with stock image is too slow. i've tried many things but not rooting. will a custom image help ?
[02:17] <fayad> or any other ways
[02:22] <fayad> off topic question but just trying my luck :)
[02:24] <fayad> bye
[08:00] <Park> hell
[09:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Pancake Day! :-D
[09:41] <oSoMoN> greyback, heya! I’m looking at bug #1422523, do you think there’s a possibility the bug is in QtMir (or somewhere else in the stack under autopilot)?
[09:43] <greyback> oSoMoN: qtmir a likely cause yeah. mir apps are not informed of their window position on screen, so I've hacky heuristics in qtmir to guess window positioning, which AP uses to determine input coordinates
[09:44] <greyback> s/qtmir/qtubuntu/
[09:46] <oSoMoN> greyback, thanks for confirming. any idea how I could possibly work around that in my autopilot tests (until the issue is fixed properly)?
[09:46] <greyback> oSoMoN: no idea sorry, unless you make the button tall enough :)
[09:47] <oSoMoN> not an option :) thanks anyway
[09:51] <oSoMoN> greyback, according to bug #1346633, the missing API has been added to mir, so is it just a matter of using it in QtMir and removing the hacky heuristics in QtUbuntu?
[09:51] <greyback> oSoMoN: sure, just need someone to own that task
[09:51] <oSoMoN> right
[10:26] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/gallery-app/photos-selection-ap-tests/+merge/249970 '
[10:26] <oSoMoN> ?
[10:26] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: give me a minute, i am trying to debug a crash in camera, then i will look into that
[10:26] <oSoMoN> sure, thanks
[10:56] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: happroved
[10:56] <oSoMoN> cheers
[12:27] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, Kaleo: I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/gallery-app/photos-selection-ap-tests/+merge/249970 with a couple more revisions that fix all the remaining failures, I’d appreciate if you could take a quick second look
[12:28] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: will do today
[12:28] <oSoMoN> thanks
[12:53] <Myself5> popey, I found a point in the porting guide which should get updated
[12:53] <Myself5> I'm telling you as david seems not to be here atm
[13:05] <popey> Myself5: ok, https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/ would be a good place to put a bug
[13:05] <Myself5> it's more like improvement for the New Guide :D
[13:09] <rebelos> Guys can we still use that OLD guide cause i see no newer guide there no site
[13:10] <popey> Myself5: I'd still file a bug
[13:10] <Myself5> k will do
[13:11] <popey> thanks
[13:19] <sturmflut-work> anybody working on bug #1417670? Seems quite important.
[13:45] <pngo_> after reading this: http://news.yahoo.com/russian-researchers-expose-breakthrough-u-spying-program-194217480--sector.html
[13:45] <pngo_> how can I be sure that ubuntu-touch is secure if it uses androids drivers?
[13:47] <sturmflut-work> pngo_: To be honest, you can't. And the problem does not even start with the Android drivers. It starts with the baseband chip that does all the wireless communication. Those chips have access to everything and run proprietary firmware, there is not a single manufacturer in the market with an open baseband.
[13:48] <tmdw> Do you know when/if Whatsapp will be available for Ubuntu touch?
[13:48] <popey> tmdw: not at launch
[13:48] <pngo_> so ssh. gpg can be compromised by that?
[13:49] <tmdw> popey: Do you have more details about this? (E.g. is it already confirmed that it will come but currently no date available)
[13:49] <sturmflut-work> tmdw: It will be available when Facebook/WhatsApp decide to release a version for Ubuntu or when they decide to allow third-party clones.
[13:49] <popey> tmdw: no. the detail I have is that we have no whatsapp at launch.
[13:50] <tmdw> ok thanks
[13:51] <sturmflut-work> pngo_: The baseband chip has access to the whole device memory, theoretically everything can be compromised.
[13:51] <tmdw> Other question: Does / will Ubunto support IMAP / CardDav / CalDav sync?
[13:53] <sturmflut-work> pngo_: Just like the "security" features which are most likely present in your Intel Desktop CPU or your ARM chips can be used to compromise the whole system.
[13:53] <davmor2> tmdw: dekko is an imap email client, carddav and caldav work with google sync and nothing else currently but there is no reason that they can't be added
[13:54] <pngo_> sturmflut-work, thanks
[13:54] <sturmflut-work> pngo_: The world has become a very scary place :/
[13:55] <tmdw> davmor2: ok, thank you
[14:36] <dobey> davmor2, tmdw: google calendar/contacts aren't caldav/carddav i don't think, but a google-specific API. there's community work to be able to get owncloud syncing though, and that would be caldav/carddav to whatever owncloud server you're running/using.
[14:39] <davmor2> dobey: ah fair enough I thought there were
[14:42] <tmdw> dobey: Thanks for the update
[15:00] <mterry> ogra_, do grouper images still work at all?
[15:02] <dobey> mterry: there are a few really old images on the server in the trusty channel, but "work" is a bit of a stretch to say the least
[15:02] <mterry> dobey, :(  ok
[15:02] <mterry> thanks
[15:03] <dobey> mterry: the switch to AOSP and mir really killed it, and things just constantly freeze trying to use it. at least that was my last experience with ubuntu on mine.
[15:04] <dobey> now it's just been sitting on my desk for months and never been turned on, after i flashed android back on it, because nobody will buy it :(
[15:04] <mterry> heh
[15:08] <elopio> sil2100: robru: do you know what's needed to land this? https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/phablet-tools/different_nmcli_for_vivid/+merge/248305
[15:09] <sturmflut-work> mterry, dobey: I had TWO Nexus 7 and they both broke. One just died after a year and would no longer turn on, the other one got a cracked display after it smashed against the wall of a safari boat. After that I didn't bother to buy a new tablet
[15:09] <sil2100> elopio: hey, I would probably poke bzoltan_ about it, since it's his merge and he didn't set it to needs review yet
[15:10] <ogra_> mterry, what dobey said
[15:10] <dobey> sturmflut-work: the only reason i have this nexus 7 is because i bought it to test ubuntu on; then the graphics support got really bad and we dropped support for it completely
[15:10] <dobey> :-/
[15:10] <sil2100> elopio: one the author deems it ready for release, then it's just a matter of filling in a landing - ogra_ or rsalveti could probably be the landers then
[15:11] <elopio> bzoltan_: poke
[15:11] <sil2100> Or anyone basically
[15:11] <ogra_> elopio, will leand before i EOD
[15:11] <elopio> thanks ogra_
[15:11] <ogra_> but yeah, technically anyone could land it
[15:16] <bzoltan_> elopio:  yo
[15:17] <bzoltan_> elopio: it is ready to land from my point
[15:21] <elopio> thanks bzoltan_
[15:25] <kenvandine> jgdx, i added apn-libqofono0.7-compatibility to the vivid silo 15
[15:30] <rsalveti> bzoltan_: then just land it :-)
[15:30] <ogra_> yeah :)
[15:30] <rsalveti> missing a top approval, but ogra_ can do that as he already reviewed the code
[15:30] <bzoltan_> rsalveti: Me? I am a lowlife nobody for that
[15:30] <ogra_> done
[15:31] <rsalveti> bzoltan_: well, you know the landing process for sure
[15:31] <rsalveti> and anyone can land stuff that is top approved by someone that knows that codebase
[15:31] <bzoltan_> rsalveti: True .. but I do not know the test plan
[15:32] <rsalveti> bzoltan_: if there is no wiki page describing it, then we don't have any official one
[15:32] <ogra_> well, you know what you changed
[15:32] <rsalveti> but as it changes one of the core tools, I'd just ask someone from QA to validate that for you
[15:32] <ogra_> just make sure it doesnt break existing installes and that your fix actually works
[15:32] <ogra_> (for new ones)
[15:32] <bzoltan_> rsalveti: ogra_: according to the rules I was give no component suppose to be on the CI train without Test Plan
[15:33] <bzoltan_> or do I interpret the rules wrong? :)
[15:35]  * bzoltan_ kicked off the landing
[15:36]  * ogra_ applauds
[15:36] <jgdx> kenvandine, thank you.
[16:25] <sil2100> mzanetti: your machines vs. machines game just sucked my girlfriend in and now she's occupying my krillin since an hour already ;)
[16:33] <mzanetti> :)
[17:19] <bikerdanny> Does anyone know which channel I must choose to be able to switch to desktop mode?!
[17:20] <ogra_> bikerdanny, the next-year-perhaps channel i guess :)
[17:21] <ogra_> (there is no such functionality yet, this is planned for 16.04)
[17:23] <bikerdanny> thanks a lot, so i will switch back to android, i thought it would be available now.
[17:24] <ogra_> only once we have a workinh unity8 desktop
[17:24] <ogra_> and only once there is actual laptop class hardware in phones ...
[17:25] <ogra_> wouldnt be fun to use if you have super limited ram and disk space
[17:29] <bikerdanny> i have a nexus 4 and i think 2 gb of ram and a quadcore cpu is still enough for a desktop solution, there are enough devel boards which have less...
[17:29] <bikerdanny> anyway, thanks for your hint, maybe till next year;-)
[17:46]  * dobey still finds that idea incredibly weird, and the usage of "desktop" incredibly non-descript
[17:48] <k1l> i really like the idea of working on my docked phone with keyboard and monitor and mouse attached to the dockingstation and then grab the phone and put it in my pocket and go out.
[17:49] <kenvandine> k1l, yup, we're getting there :)
[17:51] <themilkboy> k1l: I find that nice too. I actually find it distracting having my smartphone *next* to my computer - having it being my computer helps in that respect. Then again does putting it away.
[17:52] <dobey> i can't even imagine how horrible it would be to try to render things in blender, on an arm phone
[17:53] <k1l> blender, pfffft, who needs that ;p
[17:53] <dobey> even inkscape gets very slow on my i7 4770 w/16 GB of RAM
[17:54] <themilkboy> Well, you start off with a chromebook market - then build on that.
[17:54] <ogra_> we surely wont release the desktop mode for phones with less than 4G RAM
[17:54] <dobey> i'm not talking about markets. i'm talking about work :)
[17:54] <ogra_> right, it needs to be usable as daily driver ... else it is pointless
[17:55] <ogra_> you need to be able to run libreoffice and firefox with 50tabs open smoothly on it ....
[17:55] <k1l> motorola did try that with the atrix. but android doesnt work as desktop. so now google combines chromebook with android for their tablet with keyboard-dock thingy
[17:56] <ogra_> right ... such systems exist since ages ...
[17:56] <ogra_> but that measn you have two OSes that behave differently and onl yhave some shared folder or some such
[17:56] <k1l> from #ubuntu: onla> Can I link a tablet running ubuntu to a display station system that hook it up as multimonitor system like this on windows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUI2q1GDsdQ ?
[17:57] <themilkboy> If a browser works with a consistent profile (same as phone) then most users would be satisfied to start off with.
[17:57] <ogra_> if the HW is capable, why not
[17:57] <k1l> some microsoft dell tablet with some external video card thingy.
[17:58] <ogra_> yeah, i guess some usb displaylink thingie
[17:58] <ogra_> point is that "just run the desktop somehow in parallel" isnt actually the convergence we aim for :)
[18:00] <dobey> when phones come with at least a terabyte of storage, for less than $500, let me know :)
[18:00] <themilkboy> I'm just having difficulties understanding how that works exactly.
[18:00] <dobey> multi monitor?
[18:04] <dobey> yeah, it's just the displaylink thing
[18:05] <k1l> so if you need more power for blender, get the extension pack :)
[18:10] <dobey> extension pack? switch to a Xeon and 128 GB RAM?
[18:10] <svij> ogra_: cristian parrino told me the convegence mode is coming in two years or less than that, I hope he is lying ;)
[18:11] <ogra_> svij, convergence is planned for the 16.04 release
[18:11] <ogra_> in its first iteration at least
[18:12] <svij> ogra_: oh, great
[18:13] <ogra_> point is that we want a fully converged system ... not only UI stuff
[18:13] <ogra_> and that means a bit more work
[18:13] <ogra_> (moving the world to snappy)
[18:14] <svij> so ubuntu will move away from dpkg/apt and is going to be more rolling-release like snappy or ubuntu phone currently?
[18:16] <ogra_> thats not clear yet ... it might become all snappy or there might be a way to use debs alongside
[18:16] <ogra_> (i hope for "all snappy" though)
[18:16] <dobey> challenge will be getting traditional apps working in the new context
[18:17] <themilkboy> That makes sense.
[18:17] <ogra_> dobey, trivial with snappy
[18:18] <dobey> ogra_: i'm not talking about packaging
[18:18] <ogra_> re-packing isnt though ... thats quite some work if you want to do it for the whole archive
[18:19] <yacuken> Hi there. Anybody tying build phablet for oneplus one?
[18:19] <popey> that would be awesome
[18:19] <popey> I dont think anyone has yet
[18:19] <dobey> there's a mail on the list about it
[18:19] <wxl> yep, once we have a porting guide.. ;)
[18:24] <popey> heh
[19:06] <themilkboy> Is html5/js/css everything I need to know in order to create html5 apps for ubuntu phone?
[19:07] <themilkboy> might be a stupid question / I really should read the dev page.
[19:07] <ogra_> that should be enough
[19:07] <themilkboy> Hmm. And I would be able to emulate Ubuntu Phone from OSX?
[19:08] <ogra_> i dont think that works, no
[19:08] <ogra_> but you can run ubuntu in a VM on OSX :)
[19:09] <themilkboy> So, in order to run Ubuntu Phone I just need Ubuntu? (I thought they are more separate at the moment)
[19:09] <ogra_> in order to run the ubuntu-phone emulator you need ubuntu
[19:13] <themilkboy> Ok, thanks for the help! I will read the manual next time too. :) Sorry, for the stupid questions.
[19:13] <ogra_> there are no stupid questions ... :)
[19:13] <themilkboy> It seems to me that it's worth the gamble to try and develop something on Ubuntu phone now. Later there will be more competition.
[19:16] <kenvandine> themilkboy, great!  let us know if you have questions
[19:17] <kenvandine> themilkboy, also, when you get started writing apps, you should also join #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:17] <kenvandine> it's a good place for app dev questions
[19:21] <themilkboy> kenvandine: Thanks for the tip. ;)
[19:23] <kenvandine> themilkboy, np
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> whats the download folder of downow?
[20:49] <popey> lotuspsychje: it tells you when you click the file
[20:50] <popey> lotuspsychje: .local/share/com.nogzatalz.downow/download
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> popey: tnx lemme try it at home
[20:50] <popey> i love that app
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> popey: its still bit unhandy if i download a pdf i have to search manual with document viewer
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah downow is pretty nice
[20:51] <popey> we'll fix
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> cool
[20:51] <popey> content-hub stuff will land soon for doc viewer
[20:51] <popey> so you should be able to tap a pdf
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> downow should also download in the download folder
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> to work easy :p
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> popey: you guys have access to the bq image already?
[20:53] <popey> ya
[20:53] <popey> well, it's not final yet
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> is it different from what you devs made?
[20:53] <popey> eh?
[20:54] <lotuspsychje> i mean is it build alot different from lets say channel=devel
[20:54] <popey> a bit.
[20:54] <popey> lotuspsychje: seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR4baLQmU0s&feature=share ?
[20:54] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> lookin nice
[20:59] <lotuspsychje> bit smoother then my nexus7