[05:16] <Kilos> morning all of you. not sure if i get shed today again
[05:18] <Kilos> pumping water quick too. somewhere a pipe popped last night and after 20mm rain ground wet everywhere so how to find it is the thing
[06:33] <Padroni> Morning
[06:34] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[06:35] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[06:35] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:36] <Padroni> hi Jacques_Stry
[06:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:44] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[06:45] <Squirm> morning
[06:45] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[07:10] <Padroni> #mailqueues
[07:10]  * Padroni sighs
[07:11] <Kilos> sorry power went
[07:11] <Kilos> Padroni  fight the good fight
[07:11] <Padroni> lol
[07:11] <Padroni> more like routine, bro
[07:12] <Kilos> im too old to be a bro
[07:13] <stickyboy> Kilos: What about bru?
[07:13] <Kilos> that too
[07:14] <Kilos> im trying to remember what we used to use 40 years ago
[07:15] <Kilos> buddy, china, mate,bud 
[07:15] <Padroni> 'bru' implies relation/respect, not age
[07:15] <Kilos> will think more
[07:15] <Padroni> I will stick to Kilos though.
[07:15] <Kilos> lol
[07:16] <Kilos> Padroni  did you fly up yesterday?
[07:16] <Padroni> No
[07:16] <Kilos> or sleep all day
[07:16] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:16] <Padroni> got a snotty mail from the Directorate of Priority Crime Investigation about my unwilingness to co-operate
[07:16] <Kilos> oh my
[07:17] <Padroni> retorted with a detailed explanation of the investigating officer's complete incompetence and lack of understanding even basic internet terms
[07:17] <Padroni> So we are now in a bit of a stalemate, it seems.
[07:17] <Kilos> lol
[07:18] <Padroni> But they replied back in the mean time that they will get my subpoena re-issued correctly
[07:18] <Padroni> so I think they basically admitted defeat?
[07:18] <Kilos> yay
[07:22] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[07:22] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:27] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[07:27] <TinuvaMac> hi Kilos
[07:27] <TinuvaMac> how goes
[07:27] <Kilos> ok ty and there
[07:32] <TinuvaMac> no complaints here
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[07:35] <stickyboy> lol "china"
[07:35] <stickyboy> Funny slang in ZA :P
[07:35] <Kilos> haha
[07:36] <Kilos> that is oooold slang stickyboy  
[07:36] <stickyboy> :P
[07:46] <Padroni> wrote an article last year where I disected a good phishing site
[07:47] <Padroni> explaining it's methods, obfuscation, etc.
[07:47] <Padroni> posted on my blog - which has less than 30 articles in total.
[07:47] <Padroni> it's been generating a stupid amount of traffic eversince...
[07:47]  * Padroni is baffled.
[07:47] <Kilos> lol
[07:48] <Kilos> key words attracting peeps
[07:48] <Padroni> yes
[07:48] <Padroni> lots of reads
[07:48] <Kilos> good
[07:51] <Padroni> I write stuff for criticalwatch.com sometimes
[07:51] <Padroni> or rather, they use my research in some of their articles.
[07:51] <Kilos> good too
[07:52] <Padroni> it's funny to watch them get my stuff wrong though
[07:52] <Padroni> or misinterpret it
[07:52] <Kilos> lol
[07:52] <Kilos> do they then come ask for help?
[07:54] <Padroni> we discuss via skype
[07:54] <Padroni> me and the owner
[08:36] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[08:36] <magellanic> greets
[08:39] <Padroni> hi
[08:45] <SDCDev> morning Kilos
[08:47] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[08:47] <Kilos> you gotta greet the rest as well
[08:47] <Kilos> otherwise they sulk
[08:54] <SDCDev> lol
[08:54] <SDCDev> hey sulkers
[08:55] <SDCDev> (rest)
[08:55] <Kilos> hee hee
[08:57]  * Padroni waves
[09:04] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[09:05] <Kilos> https://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/ctb-locker-ransomware/
[09:06] <Xethron> Hello Kilos
[09:14] <highvoltage> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/118565-tell-eskom-and-its-load-shedding-to-stuff-off.html
[09:14] <highvoltage> (wrong channel but right country at least :) )
[09:22] <magellanic> highvoltage: heya :)
[09:22] <Kilos> lol lo highvoltage  
[09:23] <highvoltage> good morning
[09:26] <superfly> morning all
[09:27] <Kilos> hi superfly  
[09:28] <Padroni> hi superfly / highvoltage / magellanic
[09:29] <magellanic> heya
[09:30] <superfly> Padroni: I haven't forgotten about you... just busy... *sigh*
[09:32] <Padroni> no worries
[09:32] <Padroni> same here
[09:37] <stickyboy> Padroni: Which TLS cipher suite do you use?
[09:37] <Padroni> I don't use TLS 
[09:38] <Padroni> everything can be broken
[09:38] <stickyboy> So you use plaintext?
[09:38] <Padroni> making encryption a bit of a moot point
[09:38] <Padroni> depends on what I need it for
[09:38] <Padroni> what do you use TLS for?
[09:39] <stickyboy> Padroni: I use TLS for HTTPS.
[09:39] <Padroni> I stick to SSL for https if need be
[09:39] <stickyboy> I'm not debating that "everything can be broken", but it's not a very pragmatic approach.
[09:40] <Padroni> but I never do anything that can cause too much damage should SSL fail 
[09:40] <Padroni> like transactions and such
[09:40] <stickyboy> Padroni: Hmm? SSLv3 is beyond broken...
[09:40] <Padroni> that is always done on the vendor's side
[09:40] <Padroni> i know, stickyboy
[09:40] <stickyboy> Padroni: Do you work for the NSA? ANSWER ME NOW.
[09:40] <Padroni> hence my poiint of view on the matter
[09:40] <Padroni> lol
[09:40] <Padroni> no
[09:40] <Padroni> they have scoped me out on linkedin though
[09:40] <Padroni> which kinda made me nervous
[09:41] <stickyboy> Ok, I am a big supporter of TLS1.2 with AEAD and forward secrecy.
[09:41] <Padroni> I am a big supporter of privacy and the right to anonomity in general
[09:41] <stickyboy> My blogs don't work without HTTPS... https://mjanja.ch/ https://alaninkenya.org/
[09:41] <Padroni> I feel the gov have fucked up enough things that they don't need to meddle in my communications
[09:41] <Padroni> oh snap - pardon my language
[09:41] <stickyboy> All HTTP links are 301 -> with long strict transport headers.
[09:43] <stickyboy> Yesterday's report on Equation APT by Kaspersky was amaaaaazing.
[09:45] <Padroni> I spent the day looking after my 4month old son yesterday
[09:45] <Padroni> by 11H00 I have been puked, pissed, and shat on and I kinda gave up trying to get behind a pc
[09:45] <Kilos> lol
[10:09] <highvoltage> stickyboy: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=mjanja.ch - not bad
[10:13] <stickyboy> highvoltage: ;)
[10:21] <Symmetria> stickyboy should be back in a minute
[10:22] <Symmetria> its rebooting, for some bizarre reason linux does that occasionally with those raid systems
[10:22] <Symmetria> it randomnly decides it cant communicate with them 
[10:27] <Padroni> Here's something to ruin everyone's day:
[10:27] <Padroni> http://thehackernews.com/2015/02/hard-drive-firmware-hacking.html
[10:27] <Squirm> Hey - Anyone else having issues with za.archive.ubuntu.com?
[10:28] <Kilos> yes Squirm  Symmetria  is rebooting i think
[10:28] <Kilos> use neology so long
[10:28] <Squirm> Symmetria: you still manage that?
[10:28] <Kilos> our repos are pointed to him
[10:29] <Squirm> I can wait
[10:31] <Symmetria> its fixed
[10:31] <Kilos> go Squirm  
[10:31] <Symmetria> sorry we had a minor issue where linux sometimes loses ability to talk to the equilogix units 
[10:31] <Symmetria> for some bizarro reason
[10:31] <Symmetria> and that requires a reboot 
[10:46] <Squirm> Cool
[10:54] <Padroni> and then confirmation: 
[10:54] <Padroni> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216
[11:14] <stickyboy> Symmetria: It's back. Ta
[11:14] <stickyboy> Symmetria: I get it too, on mirror.mjanja.co.ke.  Storage went away last week and some LUG members were like STICKYYYY
[12:36] <mazal> Bye everyone , God bless
[14:19] <Squirm> Has anyone here had many dealings with SIP phones?
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> I try to have a little to do with phones as possible
[14:25] <Squirm> We have a small fibre line, dedicated to dealing with our VOIP traffic, from our provider. When this line fails, which is does from time to time, we fail over to our primary fibre connection. This is great. The only real routing our firewall does, is pass all voip traffic over our voip fibre if it's up, and then rules disappear when the voip fibre goes down. This all works well. The problem comes in when our voip fibre comes 
[14:25] <Squirm> back online. It seems either the phones/our SIP provider(telviva.com) is holding on to the IP address of our primary fibre. So calls from then on, don't work. The call dials, but no sound comes through the handset. So the packets are essentially going out through voip fibre and in through primary fibre, which makes things break...
[14:28] <magellanic> don't the phones timeout and reconnect to the sip server though?
[14:30] <Squirm> magellanic: no. Maybe because the primary fibre doesn't actually go down
[14:32] <magellanic> hmm yes
[14:35] <magellanic> I guess the firewall should make sure routing goes through the voip-fiber when it's up
[14:35] <Squirm> It does
[14:35] <Squirm> If I traceroute our  sip server, it goes out the correct route
[14:36] <magellanic> but the phones have an established connection going via the other route?
[14:37] <Squirm> Well.. I'm not sure what's happening there. I've rebooted phones countless times and they're not establishing a new connection
[14:37] <magellanic> tcpdump for traffic to the voip server on the primary line
[14:45] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:46] <magellanic> heya
[14:53] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[14:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[15:28] <magespawn> bbl just moving into my roo
[15:28] <magespawn> s/roo/room
[15:59] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[15:59] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[15:59] <Kilos> you are becoming like rocking horse droppings=very scarce
[16:03] <gremble> I've turned into quite the busy person
[16:03] <gremble> haha
[16:04] <Squirm> magellanic: Seems the firewall wasn't changing the ESTABLISHED connections
[16:04] <Squirm> found a way to clear all connections to our SIP Server from our primary fibre
[16:04] <Squirm> voila
[16:04] <magellanic> nice
[16:05] <Squirm> But there doesn't seem to be a way on our firewall to automate it
[16:05] <Squirm> So might have ti script something that sits on another server :/
[16:30] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[16:30] <mazal> Naand oom
[16:36] <magellanic> Squirm: it know when the other line comes back up though, you could force all traffic to sip server via that route then
[16:37] <Squirm> magellanic: That's the route in place
[16:37] <Squirm> But it's nor forcing already established connections over that route
[16:38] <magellanic> the rules are just routing rules you have there? that get set/unset when the lines come/go?
[16:46] <Kilos> wb octoquad  
[16:49] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[16:50] <octoquad> greetings
[17:02] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[17:21] <Kilos> hi bduk1  
[17:32] <Squirm> magellanic: Yep
[17:39] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[17:39] <Kilos> hi my magespawn  sup?
[17:40] <mazal> Oom Kilos , daar is fout met bduk se chat
[17:40] <Kilos> ai! maak reg vir hom
[17:40] <mazal> Hy het my vandag gesê dat hy niks kan sien wat in die channel getik word nie
[17:40] <mazal> Hy het re-install , en nou wil die chat nie werk nie
[17:40] <Kilos> wsatter client
[17:41] <Kilos> oh ya die thunderbird ding
[17:41] <mazal> Yep , en ek kennie daai settings vie chat op tb nie
[17:41] <Kilos> se vir hom xchat of hexchat
[17:41] <mazal> Nee hy soek als in een app
[17:41] <Kilos> ek gebruik tb nerens
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <mazal> Ag koos vergeet ek alweer ek maggie afr praat nie
[17:42] <Kilos> hy kan kyk in /home
[17:42] <Kilos> np
[17:42] <mazal> He installed K , so I recommended konversation
[17:42] <magellanic> Squirm: you could use iptables nat stuff or ip rule rules to force it..
[17:42] <mazal> But he doesn't want multiple apps open
[17:43] <Kilos> in hom get to see the file .thunderbird
[17:43] <Kilos> tell him to go to /home and then press alt +. and he will see the hidden files
[17:44] <mazal> Everything works , connects and even shows the channel tab red that there is activity , but clicking on the tab does nothing , doesn't actually opens the window to see inside the channel view
[17:44] <mazal> I will see when he is back at work if I see the problem in front of me if I can figure out what's wrong
[17:44] <Kilos> maybe something is corrupt in the conf file
[17:45] <Kilos> normally removing the app then deleting that .file and then installing again will sort it
[17:45] <mazal> Is difficult to know what's wrong with just a description , need to see it before me
[17:46] <Kilos> yip me too
[17:46] <mazal> Just thought I should tell you guys why he is in and out without saying anything
[17:47] <Kilos> tell him he is forgiven hehe
[17:47] <mazal> And I told him K is nice , so he installed that and now he has problems :P
[17:47] <Kilos> murphy
[17:48] <mazal> yeah
[17:49] <Kilos> you can try using thunderbird irc chat by you and then looking at what must be in that .file
[18:11] <magespawn> mazal i think there are chat clients that you can use in firefox rather than thunderbird
[18:12] <magespawn> brb just rebooting
[18:14] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[18:19] <inetpro> good evening
[18:19] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[18:20] <magespawn> good evening inetpro
[18:21] <inetpro> mazal: if you are on KDE then please try Konversation as a client for IRC
[18:21] <Kilos> haha its bduk and he like everything in one app
[18:21] <inetpro> IRC via thunderbird doesn't come close to Konversation
[18:22] <Kilos> i know that
[18:22] <inetpro> Kilos: is mazal using Konversation yet?
[18:22] <mazal> inetpro: Is not me , is bduk
[18:22] <Kilos> most likely
[18:22] <inetpro> mazal: are you?
[18:22] <mazal> I'm on konversation
[18:22] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:22] <inetpro> cool, then please show him
[18:23] <mazal> Which I recommended to him
[18:23] <mazal> But he wants everything in 1 app
[18:23] <inetpro> nothing beats seeing it in action
[18:23] <inetpro> thunderbird is a mail client, that is where it's strenghts lie
[18:24] <mazal> I don't know why he wants it that way , but that's how he wants it and used it for long time
[18:24] <mazal> I agree with you inetpro
[18:24] <mazal> I'll try and convince him :)
[18:24]  * inetpro tried IRC on thunderbird
[18:24] <magespawn> irssi for the win
[18:25] <inetpro> meh!
[18:25] <Kilos> he is most likely like me and needs to learn to use many workspaces
[18:25] <mazal> Kilos: I think it's more a matter of unity's multiple app windows that's a shlep
[18:25] <Kilos> unity?
[18:25] <mazal> I think that annoyed him
[18:26] <inetpro> you really don't have to use multiple workspaces
[18:26] <mazal> Yeah we were mos for long time on unity
[18:26] <Kilos> oh ya 
[18:26] <inetpro> just use ALT+Tab to switch between apps
[18:26] <Kilos> inetpro  i love my 10 workspaces
[18:26] <mazal> I think that's where the thing started with him of not wanting many apps open
[18:27] <mazal> I know he had issues getting apps to the top and things like that
[18:27] <mazal> I must just show him that with K there isn't that nonsense
[18:28] <mazal> And switching is a breeze
[18:28] <Kilos> kde rocks
[18:29] <mazal> Yeah I'm very happy since I switched.
[18:29]  * inetpro keeps things very basic
[18:29] <inetpro> three to four apps on a single desktop at any one time and no fancy desktop effects at all
[18:29] <mazal> inetpro: Yeah me too , disabled desktop effects and have 3 apps on desktop 1 and only 1 app on desktop 2
[18:30] <mazal> I'm kinda old school that way , don't like many bells & wistles
[18:31] <inetpro> bells and whistles is a massive waste of resources
[18:31] <magespawn> yup agree with that one
[18:32] <mazal> That's why today's cars breaks so easy and cost so much to repair lol
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <magespawn> i am learning to do almost all my work through the command line when possible
[18:34]  * mazal be hungry
[18:35]  * mazal go search for snacks
[18:36] <stickyboy> magespawn: irssi ftw++
[18:36] <stickyboy> tmux + irssi + znc + 
[18:36] <stickyboy> omg winning
[18:41] <magespawn> stickyboy: screen + byobu when working on mutiple machines 
[18:42] <stickyboy> magespawn: tmux all the way, br0.
[18:42] <stickyboy> Got my configs on public git repo, w00t.
[18:42] <stickyboy> That's the first thing I clone on all my servers.
[18:44] <magespawn> i will give tmux a look, but i am not that organised yet
[18:45] <stickyboy> Merge branches '4_x-dev-DS-2355', '4_x-dev-banners', '4_x-dev-update-cua', '4_x-dev-xmlui-strings', '4_x-dev-cocoon-caching' and '4_x-dev-controlled-vocab' into 4_x-dev-next
[18:45] <stickyboy> LOL I just merged SIX branches into one in git.
[18:45] <stickyboy> w00t
[18:46] <stickyboy> magespawn: I wrote a blog post ~2 years ago when I switched from screen -> tmux... it might inspire you: https://mjanja.ch/2013/03/migrating-from-screen-to-tmux/
[18:47] <Squirm> magellanic: I could. but it's not a linux firewall, it's a fortigate
[18:47] <Squirm> so I can't
[18:54]  * inetpro shall have to take the dive and learn tmux
[18:54] <inetpro> but not now
[18:54] <inetpro> stickyboy: nice posting!
[18:55] <superfly> I'm sticking to Quassel. I have enough complicated in my life, I don't need any more.
[18:55] <stickyboy> inetpro: Thanks
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:57]  * inetpro has many years of mustle memory stuck in screen mode
[18:57] <stickyboy> inetpro: I ported my .screenrc to .tmux.conf: https://github.com/alanorth/dotfiles/
[18:57] <stickyboy> :D
[18:57] <inetpro> stickyboy: I noticed 
[18:57] <stickyboy> ^a-c... ^a-d... all of them :)
[18:58] <inetpro> looks very cool
[18:58] <stickyboy> All the young kids in the office use ^b. I laugh at them.
[18:58] <inetpro> but am too tired to attack anything new now 
[18:58] <stickyboy> inetpro: No prob.
[19:00] <magespawn> screen is not actively maintained? wow
[19:05] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[19:52] <magespawn> right, good night all
[19:52] <Kilos> night magespawn  
[19:52] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:53] <Kilos> ai!
[20:02] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight