[00:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: look right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10264042/
[00:01] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'd say yes it does.
[00:02] <bluesabre> cool
[00:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: on this channel, ya know
[00:18] <bluesabre> >.<
[00:18] <Unit193> Hah.
[00:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: You try out new ll?
[00:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: haven't had a chance, been swimming in xfce stuff
[00:24] <Unit193> Fun times.
[00:25] <knome> swimming? huh.
[00:26] <elfy> blue
[00:26] <knome> bluesabre, did you get the new artwork package up yet?
[00:27] <elfy> did you make it any different? 
[00:27] <bluesabre> knome: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xubuntu-artwork/xubuntu-artwork_15.04.1/changelog
[00:27] <bluesabre> (yes)
[00:27] <knome> elfy, it should have changed the wallpaper if bluesabre didn't mess up :)
[00:28] <bluesabre> might require a logout
[00:28] <elfy> greyish one?
[00:28] <Unit193> Unless he's already changed it.
[00:28] <knome> elfy, yup.
[00:28] <elfy> t's is there in live yep
[00:28] <knome> Unit193, not on new installs he's doing.
[00:28] <knome> well that's actually a good meter.
[00:29] <knome> if you think it's greyish... your monitor is bad :)
[00:29] <elfy> hard to tell with all the unity stuff lol
[00:29] <elfy> knome: that's greyish on vb - but yea - not a monitor to do anything much with here :)
[00:30] <knome> elfy, it's towards grey, but it's that muddy brown grey
[00:30] <knome> i'm surprised how much that mud i'm seeing on my laptop
[00:30] <knome> but only in the middle areas..
[00:30] <elfy> and if ochosi's comment to PaulW2U earlier about that being our 'dev' paper - good idea 
[00:30] <knome> yeah, that's the one :)
[00:31] <knome> elfy, you'd be happy to know that the first version i did wasn't picked: http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/.devwall/dev-wall-draft-1.png
[00:31] <knome> that's horrible on a laptop screen
[00:31] <knome> on a good monitor, it's pleasing
[00:32] <elfy> yes - happy :)
[00:32] <elfy> that's hurting eyes in browser
[00:32] <knome> lol
[00:32] <knome> can see the other variants in the same dir :P
[00:33] <elfy> anyway - grey - it looks like estuary mud here 
[00:33] <knome> elfy, that's a good way to describe it ;)
[00:34] <elfy> ochosi: ^^ no elliptical circles - but I got the colour :D
[00:39] <knome> there are some elliptical circles though :D
[00:39] <knome> in the background, it's clearly banded
[00:39] <elfy> heh
[00:39] <elfy> clear as mud ... 
[00:41] <Unit193> elfy: It's artwork, just nod your head like I do.
[00:42] <elfy> I thought that's what I did with the last comment :)
[00:44] <knome> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmBM5twmSjI
[00:44] <knome> like that?
[00:45] <elfy> channel confusion ensing
[00:45] <elfy> s/ensuing
[00:45] <elfy> is that about the grey or Fry and Laurie ?
[00:46] <elfy> anwyay - think the grey dev wallpaper is a good idea 
[00:46] <knome> the nodding like you understand :P
[00:46] <elfy> I'm nodding like I understand 
[00:46] <knome> like the dog?
[00:46] <elfy> fixed that for you :p
[00:47] <elfy> the random dots ... now that's just random except for one person's head 
[00:47] <knome> lol
[00:48] <knome> they aren't random though
[00:48] <knome> just harder to decrypt.
[00:51] <elfy> trying to find the 'yea but I don't play games' comment :)
[00:59] <Unit193> So scumbag me, put something on the agenda and likely won't be at the next meeting. :D
[01:00] <elfy> as long as you fix vivid normal before that's ok :p
[01:02] <elfy> in return I will move it along for a few meetings
[01:02] <knome> lol
[01:02] <elfy> just checked that ... 
[01:03] <elfy> 2 or 3 ish
[01:05] <elfy> Unit193: could we not drop that in a pad - then people can make notes as they think of them?
[01:07] <elfy> or nvm
[01:08] <Unit193> I could, I suppose...
[01:08] <elfy> doing it :)
[01:09] <Unit193> Oh bah, I was going to use https://pad.riseup.net/ or http://piratepad.net/front-page/
[01:09] <elfy> then you do it then :p
[01:09] <knome> Unit193, no way, you got to use the ubuntu tools ;))
[01:09] <knome> otherwise it'll not be official...
[01:09] <knome> that's your punishment for not making the next meeting
[01:13] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-core-upgrade
[01:17] <Unit193> And I thought you'd just be glad I didn't say I was going to use https://5jp7xtmox6jyoqd5.onion/ :(
[01:17] <elfy> I was 
[01:17] <Unit193> Anywho, if you have any questions feel free to ping Sean.
[01:18] <elfy> we will - he's running the meeting :p
[01:18] <knome> ;)=
[01:19] <elfy> we'll have some idea if we've got a bootable Xubuntuable 14.02 image then too 
[01:19] <elfy> so with 2 release team people we'll be able to call if it's not happenin
[01:19] <elfy> mostly I need to #annouce BETA 2 PEOPLE !!!
[01:47] <jjfrv8> ochosi, "job opening"?
[02:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: want an easy package that I'll sponsor for you?
[02:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: -settings?
[02:24]  * bluesabre nods
[02:27] <Unit193> Er, that is to say, looking into it, should be done soon.
[02:28] <Unit193> Wait, we patch on top of a patch? :P
[02:38] <bluesabre> welcome to the world of debian+xfce+ubuntu+xfce
[02:38] <bluesabre> Unit193: feel free to improve it, I think one of them is entirely redundant
[02:39] <Unit193> There were 3 patches, one fixed upstream (versioned help), one is Debian patching the theme, one is us re-patching the already patched theme. :P
[02:40] <bluesabre> :)
[02:43] <Unit193> http://sigma.unit193.net/souce/xfce4-settings_4.11.4-0ubuntu1.dsc
[02:43] <Unit193> (Had to stop for food and run a test build. :P )
[02:44] <Unit193> http://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-settings_4.11.4-0ubuntu1.dsc  I sware I can type!
[02:48] <bluesabre> surprised its not in /sauce/
[02:49] <Unit193> Hah. :3
[02:55] <Unit193> Didn't touch d/copyright, leaving that for Debian. :P
[02:55] <bluesabre> :)
[02:56] <bluesabre> may never get updated then, I saw that with lightdm-gtk-greeter and its qt/kde/etc greeters
[02:57] <eikon81g> I may be barking up the wrong tree but I am having some issues with Ubuntu 14.10 after installing xfce.. Would anyone be able to field a question on an issue with the volume buttons (fn+volup/dn/mute)
[02:57] <eikon81g> (sorry to interrupt the convo)
[02:58] <Unit193> eikon81g: Generally you were right the first time, trying in #xubuntu, it's just night time so less people and you didn't actually ask the question.  Also, would it be too much to ask for you to try out the live image to see if the problem is there too?  (Changes from Ubuntu to Xubuntu can be "fun")
[02:59] <eikon81g> I am using Ubuntu 14.10 with xfce and when I was running unity my volume controls on the keyboard (fn + vol up / fn + vol dn / fn + mute) worked fine but after the xfce install (or so I think) the volume buttons quit working. I did some research and I have the Indicator plugin running to make volume adjustments which works fine but I'd like to have my buttons available to use. After researching some I saw that there are b
[02:59] <eikon81g> ug repo
 rts in place already for this issue but I was unable to get my buttons working again after following a few of the fixes that were posted in the ubuntu forums. I don't recall the exact commands but they had to do with resetting pule info in a .dconf file I believe.. I may need to do some more research / investigating but I figured this would be a good avenue to get going in the right direction.. Thanks in advance
[02:59] <Unit193> I'd personally recommend installing the task for best results.
[02:59] <rww> second time. They started in #ubuntu.
[02:59] <Unit193> Ooh, ouch.  Thanks, rww.
[02:59] <eikon81g> @unit193 live image?
[02:59] <meetingology> eikon81g: Error: "unit193" is not a valid command.
[02:59] <eikon81g> @unit193-  live image?
[02:59] <meetingology> eikon81g: Error: "unit193-" is not a valid command.
[03:00] <eikon81g> unit 193 - live image?
[03:00] <eikon81g> I haven't used irc in quite some time I also need to brush up on this : \ 
[03:00] <Unit193> I'm not a bot, believe it or not.  bluesabre's got you in #xubuntu, it's all good.
[03:01] <eikon81g> Ok thanks a million I pasted it over there.. I feel like an idiot. 
[03:01] <eikon81g> :\
[03:01] <Unit193> Sure, no problem.
[03:13] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll work on your endorsement in the morning (see, I'm not forgetting about it!)
[03:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hah, danke.
[03:19] <Unit193> lightdm depends on bash, pretty sure you don't need to actually depend on bash in a package.
[03:46] <Unit193> Failure to ping  www.xubuntu.com  may also mean 1. DNS is failing.  2. Canonical servers are failing.
[06:36] <pleia2> knome: I might be around a little today, will know more about my schedule today in a couple hours
[06:37] <pleia2> meeting up with some folks from the conference around lunchtime, then either adventures or not
[07:08] <ochosi> jjfrv8: xfce will get a new stable release soon and i thought as one of our most experienced docs-writer i'd ask you whether you have time or are motivated to contribute
[07:09] <ochosi> jjfrv8: not sure yet which components will for sure get a docs-version-bump, but it's at least appearance settings and display settings that need updates
[08:11] <ochosi> Unit193: if you have time, could you take a stab at packaging gtk2-engine-xfce 2.9.1 (yes, that's the latest release) for the staging PPA?
[08:31] <Unit193> http://archive.xfce.org/src/xfce/gtk-xfce-engine/3.0/ I don't see anything, and I don't want to just rename the tarball, change the configure.ac version and autoreconf it.
[08:33] <ochosi> Unit193: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/gtk-xfce-engine/snapshot/gtk-xfce-engine-2.9.1.tar.bz2
[08:33] <Unit193> That's 2.9.
[08:33] <Unit193> !info gtk-engines-xfce
[08:34] <Unit193> !info gtk2-engines-xfce
[08:34] <ochosi> grrrrr
[08:34] <ochosi> 2.9.1 *is* the latest release
[08:34] <Unit193> Read users ML for more info.
[08:34] <Unit193> Shadow release isn't there yet.
[08:34] <ochosi> yeah
[08:35] <ochosi> right, so let's wait for the shadow release then
[08:37] <Unit193> Ya think? :P
[08:38] <ochosi> well, i thought that for staging we could've just bumped the version name
[08:38] <ochosi> or even if not, i could've just downgraded, i usually don't have that engine installed anway
[08:39] <ochosi> going for a 2.9 version number really wasn't a great idea *sigh*
[08:42] <Unit193> Working on small changes now, will go for the tiny changes next cycle as that'll likely kill some translations: http://paste.openstack.org/show/DsJoFAVku0beWip6gqLd/
[08:43] <ochosi> Unit193: if you wanna help out with docs upstream... =)
[08:44] <Unit193> Also, https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/guide-keeping-safe.html needs help.  And, is there a way to change the xref line?  That's pretty nasty at the top.
[09:12] <pleia2> knome: shared the survey on G+ and Facebook too
[09:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: added fix to greybird for the greeter. only thing that needs fixing in the greeter is setting the .default class on the login button (something like gtk_widget_set_can_default(login_button,TRUE); gtk_window_set_default(GTK_WINDOW(login_window), login_button); )
[09:17] <pleia2> 141 responses so far, nice :)
[09:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: otherwise the login-button remains grey
[09:19] <elfy> I really dislike numlock not working 
[09:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, nvm, i fixed that in the theme too. so with the last two commits of greybird the greeter2.0 should behave as it should again
[09:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: lemme know if you need me to tag a new version of greybird
[10:03] <elfy> Unit193: quick question - updates for vivid today - I've got xubuntu core installed now - that expected?
[10:04] <Unit193> elfy: Newly installed or just upgraded?
[10:04] <elfy> just daily upgrades
[10:06] <brainwash> -desktop depends on -core
[10:06] <Unit193> I meant the package, pulled in or not?  xubuntu-meta was updated, so xubuntu-core and xubuntu-desktop should have been upgraded, but oth already installed.
[10:07] <elfy> Unit193: not sure - checking
[10:08] <brainwash> is that a bad thing?
[10:08] <elfy> only one instance of it in apt history - and that is today's install of it
[10:09] <elfy> anyway - as long as that's expected - that's fine :)
[10:17] <Unit193> elfy: So looking at things, may be the 18th that gets the fix. :/
[10:17] <Unit193> I should be able to confirm beforehand though.
[10:20] <elfy> Unit193: time will tell
[10:21] <Unit193> I don't see it fixed today. :/
[10:24] <elfy> Unit193: ok
[10:25] <elfy> how can something as simple as numlock need to be so not simple
[10:26] <Unit193> ...Something is very drunk...
[10:27] <elfy> worked yesterday morning, lightdm greeter update - that appears to have commented out the line in lightdm.conf
[10:27] <elfy> uncomment it and machine hangs turning nvidia prime on and off :p
[10:57] <elfy> slickymasterWork: and if you hit any key right at beginning so you get menu, does that boot to desktop? 
[10:59] <elfy> at the stage where you see the little keyboard and bloke
[11:00] <slickymasterWork> haven't tried that yet elfy 
[11:00] <slickymasterWork> going to now
[11:00] <slickymasterWork> presently this is what I'm getting booting the image -> http://imgur.com/0XrId6o
[11:05] <slickymasterWork> elfy, hitting a key at beginning produced the same results as before. Unable to boot to desktop :P
[11:11] <brainwash> slickymasterWork, can you please mark bug 1271883 as won't fix (for now)?
[11:13] <slickymasterWork> in the xfwm4 package brainwash? because it's already marked as 'Won't fix'
[11:13] <slickymasterWork> I meant in the xfwm4 (ubuntu) package brainwash :P
[11:14] <brainwash> yes, change the status of the ubuntu package
[11:14] <slickymasterWork> and done brainwash, want to add any comment?
[11:16] <brainwash> the last upstream comment explains it already
[11:16] <brainwash> and xubuntu just follows
[11:16] <brainwash> oh, and thanks :)
[11:16] <slickymasterWork> np brainwash 
[11:18] <slickymasterWork> and as the Finnish one ins't around you don't get poked to apply to the Ubuntu Bug Control brainwash ;)
[11:18] <slickymasterWork> * isn't
[11:19] <brainwash> lucky me
[11:21] <slickymasterWork> lol
[11:25] <slickymasterWork> krytarik, I agree with you in "This documentation provides documentation to the most common issues with Xubuntu..." should rather be "This documentation provides information to the most common issues with Xubuntu..."
[11:25] <slickymasterWork> will change that tonight 
[11:28] <slickymasterWork> elfy, finally managed to get to the menu and boot into a completely borked desktop
[11:28] <elfy> ack 
[11:29] <slickymasterWork> the only thing that worked was hitting the left shift key at start
[11:29] <slickymasterWork> no other ones manage to do it
[11:29] <elfy> I'm just waiting for the new daily - then I'll do both arch's on vbox and hardware and see where we are
[11:29] <slickymasterWork> ok
[11:36] <knome> pleia2, no worries really, it's not a pressing issue in any way :)
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> hey knome 
[11:37] <knome> hullo slickymasterWork 
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> here's some reading material for you -> http://pastebin.com/70HL3iBU
[11:37] <knome> oh noes
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> whatie?
[11:37] <elfy> run away
[11:37] <knome>  i hate reading :P
[11:37] <elfy> run away now
[11:38] <slickymasterWork> you won't hate that
[11:38] <pleia2> knome o/
[11:38] <knome> o hai pleia2 
[11:38] <knome> pleia2, so just this question:
[11:38] <Unit193> I'll concur with the second to last line.
[11:38] <pleia2> knome: so I think we should accept that email and be happy it came there
[11:39] <knome> pleia2, ok, how do we spread the word?
[11:39] <pleia2> knome: can fwd to some devs
[11:39] <knome> like -team?
[11:39] <pleia2> yeah sure
[11:39] <knome> oki
[11:39] <knome> i'll do that
[11:39] <knome> and that was pretty much it ;)
[11:39] <pleia2> :)
[11:41] <elfy> knome pleia2 - how long do we anticipate running this first survey for? 
[11:41] <pleia2> couple weeks maybe
[11:42] <knome> we have 187 responses now
[11:42] <elfy> yea - just looked 
[11:42] <pleia2> crazy
[11:42] <knome> :)
[11:42] <knome> what's more crazy is that half of them still consider themself power users ;)
[11:42] <knome> that can't be right...
[11:42] <knome> i mean this can't be representing
[11:43] <pleia2> it's a self-selecting crowd that's passionate enough to follow their OS on social media /mailing lists
[11:43] <elfy> pleia2: yep
[11:43] <knome> yes, but if they maintain systems for others...
[11:43] <knome> how do we get *those* people respond?
[11:43] <knome> 113 people say they maintain computers for others, some of that must be xubuntu
[11:43] <pleia2> one of the many problems with trying to do a user survey :)
[11:43] <pleia2> but we do what we can
[11:43] <knome> only 1 says somebody maintains computer for them
[11:44] <elfy> setup one to run for a whole cycle - put link on slideshow 
[11:44] <pleia2> maybe we can explore that in a follow up survey
[11:44] <knome> should we send some reminders
[11:44] <pleia2> yeah, I'll send some out on social media throughout the weeks
[11:44] <elfy> knome: but we'll still be talking to the same people surely
[11:44] <knome> "if you are maintaining xubuntu systems for other people, please ask them to fill the survey as well"
[11:44] <knome> yah, that addresses the "same" people ^
[11:44] <pleia2> ah, sure
[11:45] <knome> since pleia2 is around, i'll tweet something like that 
[11:45] <elfy> still think put it in slideshow for a cycle - run a 6 month survey 
[11:45] <knome> elfy, maybe some other, better survey :)
[11:45] <pleia2> ok, I'll social media it elsewhere again later in the week
[11:45] <knome> not that there is anything wrong with this
[11:46] <pleia2> should remind about stickers again too
[11:46] <knome> yes
[11:46] <knome> i'll tweet about that at the same time
[11:46] <knome> with pic
[11:46] <elfy> knome: yea - but still, something running for longer 
[11:46] <knome> elfy, agreed
[11:46] <knome> but meh, where do i get the original link
[11:46] <pleia2> ok, I'll do the stickers+qa thing on other social medias now
[11:47] <elfy> knome: you mean use this one for that? 
[11:47] <knome> yes
[11:47] <elfy> pleia2: thanks :)
[11:47] <knome> mailing list archive
[11:47] <knome> yes
[11:49] <pleia2> I got distracted by pancakes
[11:50] <knome> hah
[11:50] <elfy> easily done :)
[11:51] <knome> tweeted survey and testing stuff
[11:52]  * pleia2 copies knome's text for qa
[11:52] <knome> hehe, welcome
[11:52] <knome> should be winner though
[11:52] <knome> :PP
[11:52] <knome> buuut
[11:52]  * knome shrugs
[11:53] <knome> slickymasterWork, the spaces-in-tags is just annoying and not helpful for translators
[11:53] <knome> slickymasterWork, the invalid markup and translated tags is worse
[11:53] <slickymasterWork> that's one thing
[11:53] <slickymasterWork> exactly
[11:54] <pleia2> knome: actually, are we doing a b1?
[11:54] <elfy> yes 
[11:54] <pleia2> then there are winners :)
[11:54] <knome> yep
[11:54] <knome> ok then
[11:54] <knome> good for me :P
[11:54] <elfy> pleia2: there will be winners at end of feb too 
[11:54] <knome> i said "end of month"
[11:55] <knome> but we can consider that just being b1 time and actual end of month
[11:55] <knome> :P
[11:55] <elfy> nope
[11:55] <knome> the url was so long that there wasn't much to scribble :D
[11:55] <knome> and the image took some letters away as well
[11:55] <elfy> we've already said what we're doing at http://xubuntu.org/news/help-the-community-with-testing-and-win-xubuntu-stickers/
[11:55] <knome> elfy, no of course we do it like that :P
[11:55] <elfy> end of Feb and Beta 1
[11:55] <knome> but isn't b1 time "end of month" :P
[11:55] <slickymasterWork> knome, what concerns me the most is why the strings already translated using the LP (using Rosetta) aren't being synced to the docs branch 
[11:55] <knome> elfy, just consider it is ;)
[11:56] <elfy> knome: yea - but I'm grabbing seperate figures for B1
[11:56] <pleia2> didn't say last day, I consider the 26th to be at the end
[11:56] <knome> elfy, absolutely!
[11:56] <knome> and we can announce at the end :P
[11:57] <knome> slickymasterWork, as i said to Unit193, i can request a one-time import
[11:57] <Unit193> Are you sure it's actually set to auto export?
[11:58] <knome> i'm sure of anything i've said until i say the contrary
[11:58] <slickymasterWork> lol knome, a professional politic wouldn't said that better
[11:58] <knome> slickymasterWork, you got to remember i do work with politicians...
[11:59] <slickymasterWork> nasty people
[11:59] <knome> yes.
[11:59] <knome> otoh, i get to prove they are wrong, and usually succeed at that
[11:59] <knome> :P
[11:59] <knome> buut
[11:59] <knome> let's see
[11:59] <knome>  Translations are imported with every update from branch lp:xubuntu-docs. 
[12:00] <knome> oh.
[12:00] <slickymasterWork> right 
[12:00] <knome>  Currently not exporting translations to a branch. Choose a target branch. 
[12:00]  * knome shrugs
[12:00] <knome> done and should start doing that
[12:00] <knome> would that fix it? :P
[12:00] <knome> i thought the problem was with the import
[12:00] <knome> but i didn't think straight when i was asked about it...
[12:00] <slickymasterWork> can't the export be automated?
[12:00] <knome> yes.
[12:01] <knome> i just turned that on.
[12:01] <knome> it wasn't
[12:01] <slickymasterWork> silly knome 
[12:01] <knome> nobody asked about exports
[12:01] <knome> until Unit193 did
[12:01] <knome> see, he's just as good in this as i am
[12:01] <slickymasterWork> hmm not sure of that
[12:01] <knome> :P
[12:01] <slickymasterWork> lol
[12:01] <slickymasterWork> ;)
[12:01] <knome> well he didn't say anything about it until he said
[12:01] <knome> ;)
[12:02] <knome> so isn't that fair? :P
[12:02] <slickymasterWork> heheh
[12:02] <knome> so the first exports should land in the, say, next 24 hours
[12:02] <knome> the export is daily
[12:02] <slickymasterWork> I'll keep an eye on it
[12:03] <slickymasterWork> btw where is that set knome?
[12:03] <knome> https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/vivid/+translations-settings
[12:03] <pleia2> knome: oh yeah, so we should accept that email on contacts and share it (just confirming it wasn't reject+fwd)
[12:03] <knome> pleia2, yep.
[12:03] <knome> pleia2, so how do we reply to the sender?
[12:03] <pleia2> ok good
[12:04] <pleia2> knome: one of us should just send a "thanks, we've sent it to the team"
[12:04] <slickymasterWork> thanks for the url knome 
[12:04] <slickymasterWork> checking it
[12:04] <knome> pleia2, yep
[12:04] <knome> pleia2, i'll do that next
[12:04] <pleia2> but not me, because I am barely awake and things are starting to feel funny :)
[12:04] <knome> well same here, i woke up 30mins ago
[12:04] <knome> i clearly live in the same timezone as pleia2 
[12:04] <pleia2> I slept all night on Friday
[12:04] <knome> pleia2, oh!
[12:05] <knome> pleia2, one more thing...
[12:05] <knome> i'll take it to PM
[12:05] <pleia2> I shall try :)
[12:18] <knome> anything else people need me to touch?
[12:21] <knome> elfy, guess you got my message re: the planet MP
[12:22] <elfy> just read that - makes sense - I am NOT doing it again :p
[12:22] <knome> elfy, if you want me to help with the thing i proposed, just poke me
[12:22] <elfy> yep
[12:22] <knome> ok, i'll get to you once i've done this other thing
[12:23] <elfy> you're assuming I'm the one who'd do it though :)
[12:23] <knome> well if you aren't... tell me ;)
[12:23] <elfy> I'm off out shortly for an hourish 
[12:23] <knome> elfy, if you want to do it after that then, ping me
[12:23] <knome> i might or might not be around, but... yeah
[12:23] <knome> jjfrv8, i see you've changed your email address :)
[12:24] <knome> jjfrv8, delivered my email to the new one :)
[12:25] <elfy> nice :)
[12:26] <knome> jjfrv8, are we going to see some content on the new domain soon? :)
[12:45] <bluesabre> Unit193: Added my endorsement, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193/XubuntuPackageset - may tack on a few other things when I get home later.
[12:46] <knome> oh that, should poke the page :]
[12:56] <knome> done as well
[13:05] <knome> bluesabre, did you poke an archive admin already?
[13:07] <bluesabre> knome: bugged pitti
[13:07] <bluesabre> feel free to reach out to others
[13:08] <knome> i poked Mirv fwiw
[13:08] <knome> not an archive admin, but..
[13:29] <knome> bluesabre, 15:28 Mirv: uploaded
[13:35] <ochosi> \o/
[13:44] <jjfrv8> ochosi, sure, you can sign me up.
[13:45] <jjfrv8> knome, no, I don't do web stuff.
[13:45] <knome> jjfrv8, awwh :(
[13:46] <ochosi> jjfrv8: great!
[14:00] <ochosi> jjfrv8: i shall set up a staging site at bluesabre's wiki again
[14:00] <jjfrv8> okey
[14:01] <ochosi> i would try to keep the diff as minimal as possible in this case
[14:01] <ochosi> but anyway, it's up to you and i trust you ;)
[14:02] <jjfrv8> bad idea
[14:02] <ochosi> the latest version of xfce4-settings (4.11.4) can be found in vivid and (from git) in our staging PPA for older versions like 14.04
[14:02] <ochosi> not sure what you're using atm
[14:04] <jjfrv8> haven't updated in a while, elfy is scaring me. I've got 4.11.3 atm.
[14:04] <knome> bad efl
[14:04] <knome> elfy too..
[14:07] <ochosi> jjfrv8: i guess this one i won't have to copy to staging... :D http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/display
[14:07] <ochosi> anyway, here is the initial setup: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfce4-settings-docs:start
[14:09] <jjfrv8> I'll check it out after rebooting from my updates. If my machine will boot, that is :|
[14:10] <ochosi> coraggio! it will work
[14:20] <jjfrv8> ok, updated, rebooted, and mayhem has not ensued ...yet :)
[14:20] <knome> ;)
[14:22] <jjfrv8> I checked the staging link out and will get started tonight. bbt
[14:25] <ochosi> jjfrv8: thanks! it's much appreciated!
[14:26] <ochosi> jjfrv8: if you need a short-list of changes, lemme know
[14:26] <ochosi> especially for appearance settings, it should be fairly straightforward
[14:26] <ochosi> display settings is pretty much rebuilt from the ground, so you'll have to start with a blank page either way
[14:37] <elfy> I'm not that scary ... 
[14:38] <elfy> knome: can look at this planet thing when you're about 
[17:07] <elfy> !team | back on track hopefully - new rebuilds of trusty .2 at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/332/builds
[17:07] <elfy> foiled again
[17:07] <elfy> !team ^^
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> yeah, saw those on -qa channel
[17:07] <elfy> !team
[17:07] <elfy> ^^ thanks 
[17:08] <elfy> I turn of the announce bot
[17:08] <slickymasterWork> i deleted yesterday's image, so no zsync for me :P
[17:09] <slickymasterWork> and downloading the entire iso here is out of the question
[17:10] <elfy> slickymasterWork: this is trusty not yesterday's image :)
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> yes it is elfy. Nevermind me
[17:11] <elfy> :)
[17:11] <elfy> I've been watching for both for a while now
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> silly slickymaster
[17:55] <elfy> smoketest confusion reigns - doing 32 and 64 at the same time, but they're at different stages 
[17:57] <slickymasterWork> elfy the juggler
[17:58] <Unit193> bluesabre, knome: Thanks!
[17:58] <elfy> not sure about that - mad perhaps
[17:59] <elfy> Unit193: I thought about writing something - not sure if it'd help
[17:59] <elfy> happy to do so though if you like 
[18:00] <Unit193> Don't see why it wouldn't, it's the Xubuntu packageset and you're an Xubuntu lead.
[18:00] <elfy> ok - I'll do so tomorrow
[18:01] <slickymasterWork> btw Unit193, and as mentioned it, not sure if you saw but I corrected the <<DateTime>> tag format	in it
[18:01] <slickymasterWork> s/as/as you
[18:06] <Unit193> slickymasterWork: Hmm, somehow missed the scrollback on it (unless it was -ot), but wiki sent me a notice.  Thanks.
[18:06] <slickymasterWork> :)
[18:38] <Unit193> The vivid images are fixed tomorrow, it was all my fault but pushed the change now.
[18:46] <Unit193> elfy: Oh, you asked me where I find things out.  Well one is I'd made some bigger changes, and two: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/xubuntu.vivid/ going through that (and testing the fix using germinate myself.)  As I've already linked, that's also where to check for imagme build failures, packagesets, why something is stuck in proposed, and basically every log file is 
[18:46] <Unit193> there. 
[18:48] <elfy> awesome - thanks Unit193 - I'll have a dig about :)
[18:49] <Unit193> Basically this time, I'd moved all the core deps to, well, core and marked core as a seed for desktop.  I missed however that it also needed mapped in STRUCTURE (germinate/seeds aren't well documented.)
[18:50] <elfy> ok - logically I think I can follow that :)
[18:51] <Unit193> (germinate also confirmed it was a-ok with my fix.)
[19:02] <knome> elfy, hullo
[19:09] <elfy> hi knome 
[19:09] <knome> elfy, up for a very short sprint? :)
[19:10] <elfy> possibly ... 
[19:11] <elfy> need more info on what first :D
[19:11] <knome> the planet conf :P
[19:11] <knome> if you'd rather do it on some other channel, point me htere
[19:11] <knome> *there
[19:11] <knome> maybe a cc chan
[19:11] <knome> or sth
[19:12] <elfy> no other channel - we can do it here or PMs 
[19:33] <Unit193> https://bugs.debian.org/778642 erm, that doesn't look good.  Fixed in 1.4.2?
[19:36] <ochosi> Unit193: i don't think so, at least the upstream report is still open
[19:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: pinged around and greeter-settings has been accepted+uploaded
[19:38] <ochosi> Unit193: iirc eric_the_idiot had a promising lead on that one though, but i think so far nothing has been pushed
[19:38] <Unit193> valgrind?
[19:38] <ochosi> yeah, but for panel-plugins?
[19:39] <ochosi> if you valgrind it, i'll look into fixing it ;)
[19:39] <ochosi> anyway, i still have some real work to do..
[19:39] <Unit193> Bye.
[19:43] <ochosi> elfy: saw the 14.04.2 ping
[19:43] <ochosi> has anyone run a test on it yet?
[19:43] <ochosi> for now i still have other things on my plate, but if i don't finish work too late, i might run a test today
[19:45] <elfy> ochosi: I've done 10 smoketests in vbox 
[19:45] <ochosi> oh wow
[19:45] <ochosi> how does it look?
[19:45] <elfy> will do some hardware ones shortly and tomorrow 
[19:45] <elfy> well - we had 10 passes instead of 10 fails - so that's a good start :)
[19:46] <ochosi> so no more crappy-crap installed by default?
[19:47] <elfy> I couldn't see any - checked manifest too 
[19:47] <ochosi> \o/
[19:48] <elfy> that's was my reaction too funnily enough :D
[19:49] <ochosi> let's hope Unit193 fixed vivid then
[19:50] <knome> so, Unit193 is good at poking vervets?
[19:50] <elfy> he seems to believe that 
[19:50] <Unit193> Nooo, he poked it and angered it. :3
[19:58] <knome> bbl
[20:32] <Unit193> andrzejr: Got a screenie for xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin?
[20:33] <andrzejr> nope, it's just a panel icon.
[20:33] <Unit193> Hmm.
[20:34] <ochosi> andrzejr: iirc there's no scale that pops up when clicking it, right?
[20:35] <Unit193> So other than the benefit of not being an indicator, any other benefits?
[20:35] <ochosi> PA-support? (as opposed to the mixer)
[20:35] <andrzejr> + volume mute control via keyboard and mouse wheel
[20:36] <andrzejr> someday I will add a menu too
[20:36] <ochosi> would be cool if a mixer-app could be bound to it via an xfconf prop
[20:36] <ochosi> for on-click
[20:36] <ochosi> that should be fairly easy to implement
[20:38] <andrzejr> I can do it for 0.1 release. There is already an xfconf prop and an option in preferences dialog.
[20:39] <ochosi> you mean for this?
[20:43] <andrzejr> There is an option for the mixer app, although so far the only tool I am aware of is pavucontrol
[20:44] <andrzejr> do you know how to start unity-control-center with sound tab selected?
[20:46] <brainwash_> andrzejr, unity-control-center sound
[20:47] <andrzejr> ha! I knew I'm missing something obvious
[21:15] <elfy> brainwash_: see no title bar in evince now :p
[21:15] <Unit193> elfy: have -gtk, right?
[21:15] <elfy> yea
[21:15] <elfy> evince-gtk
[21:15] <Unit193> elfy: Also, re: logs that I linked.  You can try to go through them, or ping me or bluesabre when there's an issue.
[21:16] <elfy> yep 
[21:16] <elfy> just want to be able to try and work it out for me too
[21:18] <ochosi> wrt evince, i already submitted a patch on git.gnome.org
[21:18] <ochosi> (slightly modified from what brainwash_ submitted on launchpad)
[21:18] <ochosi> so yeah, that will be fixed in time, i'm sure
[21:18] <elfy> yep
[21:19] <elfy> just glad I'm seeing it now :D
[21:24] <ochosi> hah, weird elfy :)
[21:34] <elfy> seems that we've got *some* extras kicking about in the new trusty image
[21:34] <elfy> krytarik: ^^
[21:36] <krytarik> elfy: Well, only the two I've mentioned really stuck out to me (mate-notification-daemon and xscreensaver).
[21:37] <ochosi> meh
[21:37] <ochosi> so not all problems are fixed then
[21:37] <ochosi> having two lockers isn't very cool
[21:37] <krytarik> Yeah, but infinity is on it.
[21:38] <krytarik> So I trust that'll we gone at the day's end.
[21:41] <ochosi> cool cool
[21:43] <elfy> mentioned it to the poor guy :)
[21:43] <elfy> and he's on that already :)
[21:44] <elfy> I guess if anything the one he's not done is the one that we'd choose to lose if we had to 
[22:58] <brainwash_> oh, theme color previews :)
[22:59] <bluesabre> brainwash_ found a new feature
[22:59] <brainwash_> and icon previews, everything looks so cluttered now :D
[22:59] <bluesabre> wait for it... expecting a new bug report to appear
[22:59] <bluesabre> :)
[23:00] <knome> or two
[23:00] <knome> or three
[23:00]  * bluesabre hides
[23:01] <brainwash_> well, not a new bug, but I just noticed that my cursor is not set properly anymore after a relog (outside of the root window aka desktop)
[23:02] <brainwash_> it reverts to the default one. I remember reading about this buggy behavior, and now I'm seeing it too
[23:02] <bluesabre> oh no
[23:02] <brainwash_> thought that it's only a myth :)
[23:04] <brainwash_> so, I had to tell xfce4-settings to reapply my selected cursor theme and size
[23:04] <ochosi> luckily that is a totally unrelated bug
[23:04] <brainwash_> but why would a session restart break it..
[23:05] <brainwash_> it is, but it's the reason why I opened the appearance settings and noticed the previews
[23:05] <brainwash_> then I noticed that I actually need to open the Mouse and Touchpad settings
[23:12] <brainwash_> ochosi, btw I gave up on greybird-thick (thick borders). it looks bad and would be greybird only anyway
[23:12] <brainwash_> a general solution would be better
[23:12] <ochosi> yup
[23:12] <ochosi> i don't believe that will happen btw
[23:12] <ochosi> maybe with headerbars
[23:13] <ochosi> (i mean that actually already works with headerbars)
[23:13] <brainwash_> it works with gtk3/csd out of the box, but this magic cannot be backported to gtk2 I guess
[23:14] <brainwash_> or to xfwm4 in general, kinda confusing
[23:15] <ochosi> well, not really
[23:15] <ochosi> but whatever
[23:16] <brainwash_> I'd think that the biggest bounty would be placed on this feature :D
[23:28] <krytarik> knome: Btw, I was more thinking of "spaces-in-tags" = "invalid markup", but yeah, that too, and "translated tags" as well - seen you guys chatting about that a while ago.
[23:28] <Unit193> krytarik: Also, see that it actually wasn't exporting and he fixed it?
[23:29] <krytarik> Nope, I'm not that far down today's -devel logs yet. :P
[23:30] <Unit193> Yeah they need to be more quiet!
[23:30] <brainwash> now with the release of xfce4-settings 4.11.4 we can close some lp reports
[23:30] <Unit193> :3
[23:33] <brainwash> bluesabre, ochosi: how did https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11516 survive not being closed yet? :)
[23:34] <ochosi> maybe it was reported after our sweep
[23:34] <bluesabre> many many bugs, tired eyes, and coding
[23:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: you want to kill it dead?
[23:34] <ochosi> way ahead of you
[23:35] <ochosi> also: many many bugreports
[23:37] <brainwash> ochosi, just want to make sure: bug 1409470 should be now fixed in vivid, right?
[23:37] <ochosi> can't you just test it?
[23:38] <ochosi> also, you've already written it's fixed :p
[23:38] <brainwash> yeeee, but I did not test anything
[23:38] <brainwash> let me try
[23:41] <brainwash> yes, works fine
[23:42] <knome> krytarik, i don't think we're getting invalidity errors or warnings with the tags that have spaces, they are just annoying :)
[23:42] <Unit193> Oh I should request a merge for the docs stuff I have here.  krytarik: Were you OK with it?
[23:43] <krytarik> knome: Well, might be - but have a look at the actual result.
[23:43] <krytarik> Unit193: Yep.