[04:25] <pitti> Good morning
[06:20] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:02] <didrocks> morning
[07:03] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:03] <pitti> hey mlankhorst
[07:04] <pitti> didrocks: FYI, currently merging ubuntu's systemd with debian exp; I took your latest fsck patches while I was at it
[07:06] <didrocks> bonjour pitti !
[07:06] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: oh nice :)
[07:06] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[07:06] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:06] <seb128> wie gehts?
[07:06] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! très bien, merci ! et toi ?
[07:07] <didrocks> pitti: I redid a small test before reposting the patches and retry Control+C with current distro plymouth, but with plymouth-x11
[07:07] <seb128> pitti, très bien merci ;-)
[07:13] <darkxst> hey pitti, seb128, didrocks
[07:13] <pitti> didrocks: oh, these need some rebasing to 219, I'm afraid
[07:13] <pitti> hey darkxst
[07:14] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:14] <pitti> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10286331/
[07:14] <didrocks> hey darkxst
[07:15] <pitti> didrocks: strappenda() is now strjoina(); the progress_rc warning is probably harmless
[07:15] <darkxst> didrocks, grilo-plugins split is done, just sitting in NEW atm
[07:15] <didrocks> pitti: argh, ok, will have a look
[07:15] <didrocks> darkxst: piloting this afternoon, so doing this
[07:15] <didrocks> pitti: mind if I do that this in a couple of hours?
[07:16] <pitti> didrocks: not at all; it's a trivial fix in our patches, not blocking me
[07:16] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, did you hear back from slangasek about the systemd work he's supposed to do?
[07:16] <pitti> no, I didn't :/
[07:16] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I'll rebase. I hope that this is last time (but wonder why it wasn't warned on the ML, afraid this is going to be stalled as there is no more comment, but nothing happened, even telling it doesn't apply)
[07:16] <didrocks> seb128: same :/
[07:17] <darkxst> didrocks, ok thanks
[07:17] <pitti> didrocks: let me finish that build first, then I'll let you know if that was the only thing
[07:17] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[07:17]  * didrocks finishes backlog
[07:17] <didrocks> then ubuntu make release, fsck and sponsoring + MIR
[07:21] <darkxst> seb128, will you be ok to update baobab and gnome-contacts to 3.14 after FF?
[07:21] <darkxst> I will make titlebar patches but wont be for a week atleast
[07:27] <pitti> didrocks: ok, just http://paste.ubuntu.com/10286467/ and some noise in the *.po files
[07:29] <didrocks> pitti: great! thanks a lot, I'll rebase on master and reapply
[07:38] <seb128> darkxst, wfm, as long as you have patches for the headerbars
[07:38] <seb128> well, assuming that they didn't redo the UI in a way that makes it not fit with other desktops
[07:38] <seb128> or that they did drop half of the features
[07:38] <darkxst> seb128, headerbar patches should be easy enough
[07:39] <darkxst> maybe you can give a quick check of 3.14 UI's
[07:39] <darkxst> both will be on gnome3 ppa for vivid
[07:39] <darkxst> I think gnome-contacts is mostly the same
[07:39] <seb128> k
[07:39] <darkxst> baobab has some tweaks to layout,
[07:56] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Has someone done the dep changes for the grilo-plugins split or should i?
[07:57] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I did it
[07:57] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:58] <Noskcaj> Did that include suggests?
[07:58] <darkxst> suggests for what?
[07:58] <Noskcaj> grilo
[07:59] <darkxst> why?
[07:59] <Noskcaj> It would be nice to point it to the new package rather than the old one
[08:00] <Noskcaj> Also, there's a new grilo release upstream
[08:00] <darkxst> Noskcaj, oh you mean packages that suggest grilo-plugins?
[08:00] <Noskcaj> yes
[08:01] <darkxst> I only did gnome-music and gnome-online-miners
[08:01] <darkxst> if there are others with suggests feel free to do those
[08:02] <Noskcaj> I'll include the fix with the update to grilo
[08:02] <darkxst> ok
[08:13] <pitti> mmmh, les derniers beignets -- un bon petit-déjeuner :)
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, huuuum, beignets, miam :-)
[08:15]  * pitti hands one to seb128
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, merci !
[08:16]  * didrocks didn't know about that new technology
[08:16] <didrocks> BOS? beignets as a service?
[08:16] <didrocks> BAS*
[08:16] <didrocks> is that UDP/TCP based?
[08:16]  * pitti hides his python-weechat-snackmsg package
[08:16] <didrocks> :)
[08:16] <larsu> didrocks: BAAS
[08:16] <didrocks> ;)
[08:17] <pitti> pah, *AAS is the new -Kit, isn't it
[08:17] <pitti> do we have Service as a Service yet?
[08:17] <didrocks> pitti: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f88bc87a-0e4b-11e2-8b92-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3S5BYAf5q
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: ah, I knew someone had this thought before me :)
[08:18] <didrocks> :)
[08:18] <pitti> here go my dreams of funding a $1B company
[08:18] <pitti> "founding" (ugh)
[08:18] <seb128> lol
[08:19] <pitti> that's probably the most expensive typo you can ever make in economics :)
[08:19] <didrocks> ahah
[08:21] <didrocks> pitti: if you want to practice your french, when you have time (really, click on every links), you have the la-rache methodology, and maybe you can give advice on it, pretty popular methodology in computer science: http://byatoo.com/la-rache
[08:21] <didrocks> maybe we should drop scrum and go on "la rache"
[08:21] <didrocks> "Rapid Application Conception and Heuristic Extreme-programming"
[08:22] <pitti> ah, that's not just la ROCHE ?
[08:22] <didrocks> pitti: ahah, quite insulting to say I'm working at "la rache" :p
[08:22] <didrocks> pitti: just some backgrounds: to do something à "l'arrache" (correct writings, coming from "arracher") is to botch something
[08:23] <pitti> didrocks: oh, est-ce que c'est un mot français ?
[08:23] <pitti> ah
[08:23] <didrocks> "faire à l'arrache" is, "la rache" isn't, but it sounds similar and hence this parodic website :)
[08:26] <didrocks> "can we deploy a prototype to production?" -> "No problem, it's La Rache compliant"
[08:27] <didrocks> "can we develop directly in production?" -> "No problem, it's La Rache compliant"
[08:27] <pitti> didrocks: :) il semble que je dois lire cą :)
[08:28] <didrocks> pitti: I'm sure you will love it :)
[08:33] <Noskcaj> darkxst, New grilo need vala 0.27, so we don't get to have it
[08:33] <Noskcaj> Could you please upload the suggests change to save some time?
[08:36] <Noskcaj> didrocks, https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/ubuntu/appstream-util/+packages if you get time
[08:37] <didrocks> Noskcaj: my patch politing is this afternoon for me, pending it
[08:37] <Noskcaj> :)
[08:37] <didrocks> Noskcaj: ok, so it's a package copy, simply, right?
[08:37] <Noskcaj> yeah
[08:37] <didrocks> will do :)
[08:38] <Noskcaj> the gnome-system-monitor includes a version bump approved by Laney
[08:38] <didrocks> Noskcaj: for the one we were in sync with debian, did you send the patch back to debian BTS?
[08:39] <didrocks> I would appreciate to be back in sync next cycle
[08:39] <Noskcaj> didrocks, I'll send patches when debian unfreezes
[08:39] <Noskcaj> Most of them are things i can access the debian vcs for anyway
[08:40] <didrocks> ok, great!
[08:40] <pitti> didrocks: OOI, does the control-c work in qemu for you? I tried with pressing 2 s
[08:40] <didrocks> pitti: it never worked on qemu for me
[08:41] <pitti> didrocks: ok, thanks
[08:41] <didrocks> pitti: it does work on plymouth-x11, I didn't retry on boot, but I'm sure it did
[08:41] <pitti> I'll try 219-1ubuntu1 on my laptop next :)
[08:41] <didrocks> \o/
[08:41] <didrocks> pitti: even a simple "c" press didn't work on qemu with plymouth… I have no idea what happens there
[08:47] <pitti> didrocks: hm, ^C doesn't work on my laptop either, but I don't have plymouth-x11
[08:49] <willcooke> morning
[08:50] <didrocks> pitti: argh, that's weird, it did for me, will try, but later, ETOOMUCHSTUFF already
[08:50] <didrocks> pitti: it's exactly the same call that mountall did (would be interested to know if it works for you with plymouth-x11)
[08:50] <didrocks> willcooke: hey!
[08:50] <pitti> didrocks: booting with upstart/mountall, 'c' works, yes
[08:51] <pitti> didrocks: no biggie for now, don't worry
[08:52] <didrocks> pitti: do you mind trying with plymouth-x11?
[08:52] <didrocks> pitti: I'll retry rebooting… but later
[08:52] <pitti> didrocks: can do in a bit (just running some snappy tests ATM)
[08:52] <didrocks> pitti: I don't know if I retried with control+c at boot time or only on plymouth-x11
[08:52] <didrocks> since upstream asked to changed it
[08:53] <didrocks> so, that can be the difference
[08:53] <didrocks> anyway, will give it a shot
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: no luck with plymouth-x11 either; well, let's debug this later..
[09:00] <darkxst> Noskcaj, paste a debdiff
[09:04] <darkxst> Noskcaj, did you check why? or did they just bump vala to go with gtk 3.16?
[09:05] <Laney> hullo
[09:06] <didrocks> pitti: really? it does work here, let me retry…
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:07] <darkxst> hey Laney
[09:08] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:21] <didrocks> pitti: confirmed to work on plymouth-x11 here (just did a full rebuild with my latest patches, to ensure I don't have caches somewhere)
[09:21] <didrocks> pitti: at least, it's failing in a consistent way for you, so I have hope :)
[09:22] <didrocks> clearly a qwerty vs azerty thing! :p
[09:22] <pitti> didrocks: I thought it might be due to the USB keyboard, but the builtin one doesn't work either
[09:27] <willcooke> Laney, you might feel my pain...
[09:27] <willcooke> Laney, new kettle taste.
[09:28] <Laney> the limescale blues?
[09:31] <didrocks> pitti: tried as well with systemd-fsckd that you shipped in 218-10ubuntu1, works under plymouth-x11 for me
[09:31] <didrocks> pitti: I wonder, are you using real fsck or the mock one?
[09:31] <pitti> didrocks: the mock
[09:32] <didrocks> ok, so not that fsck which doesn't want to die :/
[09:32]  * didrocks is really puzzled
[09:32] <pitti> didrocks: do you have plymouth in the initramfs? could that make a difference?
[09:33] <didrocks> pitti: no, I kept the ubuntu standard setup. but even without that, it should have worked on your session with plytmouth-x11
[09:34] <didrocks> pitti: you did try in your session to start plymouthd
[09:34] <didrocks> and the plymouth show-splash
[09:34] <didrocks> and that didn't work, right?
[09:40] <willcooke> Laney, the old kettle started to melt it was so clogged with limescale.  The new kettle tastes of, what I can only assume is, Morphy Richards' kettle factory, Morphy Richards Road.  China.
[09:40] <pitti> didrocks: sorry? no, I never fiddled with the plymouth units or started them manually
[09:41] <pitti> didrocks: I do see the plymouth graphical theme and the fsck progress messages (in both qemu and my laptop)
[09:42] <didrocks> pitti: ah, so maybe when we are talking about plymouth-x11, you didn't try the same thing
[09:42] <pitti> didrocks: no, I just installed that package and rebooted
[09:42] <didrocks> pitti: and the issue is maybe only that Control+C would work on plymouth-x11 and not at boot
[09:42] <didrocks> ah, maybe try this:
[09:42] <didrocks> sudo plymouthd
[09:42] <pitti> didrocks: I was wondering why p-x11 would have any effect
[09:42] <didrocks> sudo plymouth show-splash
[09:42] <didrocks> and starts the systemd-fsckd service + a systemd-fsck /dev/sda for instance
[09:42] <pitti> ah
[09:43] <didrocks> pitti: as told, I tried the C cancel at boot, and it worked, I'm unsure that I retried with Control+C once I saw that plymouth-x11 supported it
[09:45] <pitti> didrocks: ah nice, I never used plymouth that way :)
[09:45] <pitti> didrocks: yep, that works fine, even in qemu
[09:46] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so maybe Control+C, doesn't work the same way without plymouth-x11, I'll add some debugs
[09:46] <didrocks> (like doesn't send the same message back)
[09:46] <didrocks> pitti: without plymouth-x11, iterating would have been crazy :p
[09:47] <pitti> didrocks: for the protocol, for sure! nice trick
[09:47] <didrocks> pitti: so yeah, I think I have to add debugs and reboots. Rebasing first and dealing with that next…
[09:47] <pitti> didrocks: I would assume that somehow this ought to work in qemu too; iterating with real reboots is a no-go indeed
[09:47]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[09:47] <pitti> such a sticky thing that!
[09:48] <didrocks> pitti: "c" worked for on plymouth boot, but never with qemu
[09:48]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[09:48] <didrocks> hence I didn't think once I saw Control+C working with plymouth-x11, that it would give something different with plymouth boot…
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: just for the record, the grub menu works fine for me in qemu
[09:51] <didrocks> pitti: I will keep you posted
[10:15] <didrocks> man pages as well are conflicting as they changed to 2 spaces
[10:15] <didrocks> grumph :p
[10:16] <seb128> Laney, there is a new librsvg out that fixes security issue, do you want to do it in Debian and sync over or should I just do the update in Ubuntu?
[10:21] <Laney> seb128: might as well do it ther
[10:21] <Laney> e
[10:21] <seb128> Laney, ok, as you want, thanks
[10:22] <seb128> I can't do it in Debian since I don't have a chroot or vm to build the binaries/test
[10:22] <Laney> no worries, I do
[10:23] <Laney> can you see the error here https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Vivid/view/AutoPkgTest/job/vivid-adt-gnome-photos/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/consoleFull ?
[10:23] <pitti> Investigating (0) gnome-photos [ amd64 ] < none -> 3.14.2-1 > ( universe/gnome )
[10:23] <pitti> Broken gnome-photos:amd64 Depends on gnome-online-miners [ amd64 ] < none -> 3.14.0-2ubuntu1 > ( universe/gnome )
[10:24] <pitti>   Considering gnome-online-miners:amd64 1 as a solution to gnome-photos:amd64 -1
[10:24] <pitti>   Holding Back gnome-photos:amd64 rather than change gnome-online-miners:amd64
[10:24] <pitti> Laney: ^
[10:24] <pitti> Laney: might just have been temporary uninstallability due to arch buildd desync? /me retries
[10:25] <Laney> pitti: I just did that
[10:25] <Laney> the one I linked was a retry
[10:27] <pitti> oh, it actually failed on all arches
[10:27] <Laney> yup
[10:27] <Laney> ah I see this in a chroot
[10:28] <pitti> and yay for apt uninstallability errors being utterly incomprehensible
[10:28] <pitti> Laney: ah, you beat me to it then; just entering my vivid-proposed chroot :)
[10:28] <Laney> needs the grilo-plugins split in NEW
[10:29] <Laney> apt could have told us this up front. :)
[10:34]  * didrocks reboots
[10:39] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so the printf I'm writing are seen as blob data by the journal, do you know how I can get the characters (not fluent in journalctl command)
[10:41] <didrocks> hum, with -a it seems
[10:41] <pitti> journalctl -o verbose ?
[10:41] <didrocks> seems that plymouth issending something completely different… ^B:^A:
[10:41] <didrocks> doesn't even match the protocol I saw with -x11
[10:41] <pitti> didrocks: perhaps you should print them as %x instead of %c?
[10:42] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, trying this
[10:43] <didrocks> brb
[11:02] <didrocks> pitti: phew, got it!
[11:02] <didrocks> pitti: so, I confirm, for Control+C, the protocol is different between plymouth at boot and plymouth-x11
[11:02] <pitti> didrocks: wow! that was quick, considering that reboots and plymouth are involved..
[11:02] <didrocks> pitti: well, not starting the whole session, browser, emails, helps :)
[11:02] <didrocks> only a terminal, plymouth, systemd and I!
[11:03] <didrocks> so once fixing this, this won't work on plymouth-x11
[11:03] <didrocks> but well, as this one is only for testing purpose… meh :)
[11:04] <pitti> didrocks: ah, you can't easily do a cmd == ply_x11 _|| cmd == ply_system?
[11:04] <pitti> didrocks: but yeah, no worries; that's not really important
[11:04] <didrocks> pitti: should I? the thing is that on plymouth-x11, it both maps C and Control+C
[11:04] <didrocks> and seeing it not being used outside for testing…
[11:05] <didrocks> of*
[11:05] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, please don't waste any time with it
[11:05] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so rebase done, just introducing this fix and reposting
[11:07] <didrocks> ok done, just doing a final full build to ensure that everything is all right + a real reboot test
[11:16] <didrocks> pitti: all good, repushing the patches upstream rebased on master upstream
[11:16] <pitti> didrocks: \o/
[11:16] <didrocks> pitti: think it's better on one email + all attachements or still separate?
[11:17] <pitti> didrocks: still git-send-email, I think
[11:18] <didrocks> ok
[11:30] <pitti> Noskcaj: looking at grilo-plugins -- that's missing a transitional package
[11:30] <pitti> Noskcaj: witout one, upgrades will cause trouble
[11:30] <pitti> Noskcaj: also, two -dbg packages, isn't that a bit excessive?
[13:04] <pitti> Laney: ah, so glib is held by gnome-photos failure; want me to override, as it's quite obviously not glib's fault?
[13:05] <Laney> pitti: I'd rather see it fixed, but if not I can override myself
[13:06] <desrt> i woke up at a good time
[13:06] <desrt> what's up?
[13:06] <Laney> I think they deliberately decided not to use a transitional
[13:06] <Laney> and just moved the two rdeps over
[13:07] <pitti> Laney: I've still seen enough upgrades where apt would rather hold back the old package instaed of removing it in favor of a new one
[13:07] <pitti> and the split ones don't even Provides: the old one
[13:08] <pitti> perhaps apt became more clever in the recent releases to also check if the package still exists in the index, and would adjust the penalty scores
[13:08]  * desrt starts to get the impression that this is not an upstream issue ;)
[13:08] <pitti> desrt: not glib related at all :)
[13:09] <Laney> it's all broken!!!
[13:09] <desrt> well, good morning in any case :)
[13:09] <pitti> desrt: just talking about the regression in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#glib2.0
[13:09] <pitti> desrt: indeed -- good morning!
[15:08] <Laney> pitti: I want to fix grilo-plugins; can you reject it for now?
[15:09] <pitti> Laney: sure
[15:09] <Laney> thanks
[15:10] <pitti> done
[15:10] <Laney> ok, new one will arrive in a few minutes
[15:13] <didrocks> Noskcaj: hey, you didn't change the build-dep here? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/197574606/gpaste_3.14-1_3.14-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[15:14] <didrocks> Noskcaj: same for https://launchpadlibrarian.net/198009486/swell-foop_1%3A3.15.4-0ubuntu1_1%3A3.15.90-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[15:15] <didrocks> and https://launchpadlibrarian.net/197863665/tali_1%3A3.15.2-0ubuntu1_1%3A3.15.90-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[15:16] <didrocks> Noskcaj: the other looks good, promoting appstream-utils to main and copying all others packages
[15:32] <seb128> kenvandine, you don't have a bq running vivid by any chance?
[15:34] <didrocks> Noskcaj: ok, promoted and all the rest copied over. You will see my name on -changes ML, this is a known restriction of copy-package (you are set as "Changed-By" in the email).
[15:38] <kenvandine> seb128, i do in fact
[15:38] <kenvandine> testing a fix for the smoke test failures now
[15:38] <kenvandine> seb128, why?
[15:38] <seb128> kenvandine, want to test the deb from https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-storage-page/+merge/250119 ?
[15:38] <kenvandine> seb128, i can't test anything on it until autopilot finishes :)
[15:38] <seb128> my bq runs rtm
[15:39] <seb128> I can test on the n7, but still would be good to try on bq/vivid
[15:39] <kenvandine> mine usually does too
[15:39] <kenvandine> but i flashed it last night
[15:39] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll test it
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks!
[15:46] <pitti> didrocks: Control-C! Control-C! Control-C!
[15:46] <pitti> \o/
[15:47] <pitti> didrocks: so, bad news about your fsck patches :(
[15:50] <didrocks> pitti: what bad news? it's just been applied, isn't it? :)
[15:52] <pitti> didrocks: bah, you're too quick! :-)
[15:52] <pitti> didrocks: I'm afraid you now don't have the pleasure any more to rebase this the umpteenth time :(
[15:52] <pitti> didrocks: but, there's of course one critical issue with it: no German translations!
[15:53]  * pitti will commit them in a bit :)
[15:53]  * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks
[15:53] <didrocks> pitti: ahah! see, the French are always ahead, we do have translations :)
[15:53]  * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti
[15:57]  * didrocks celebrates with some tea
[15:59] <Laney> oh, congrats didrocks!
[16:00] <didrocks> thanks Laney, was quite a journey (more than firstly expected :p)
[16:30] <kenvandine> Laney, your branch worked fine on krillin, thanks!
[16:30] <Laney> cool, thx for trying it!
[16:31] <desrt> mmm.  tea.  fine idea, that.
[16:31] <kenvandine> Laney, i'll land that this afternoon
[16:31]  * desrt puts the whiskey down and fills the kettle
[16:38] <Laney> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10292939/ want to pre-eyeball?
[16:40] <Laney> oops, debdiffed the wrong version - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10293007/
[17:27] <willcooke> anyone know anything about icewm?
[17:27] <willcooke> I've got it running in Xmir
[17:27] <willcooke> but the text is fubar
[17:28] <willcooke> some letters are there, some are not, none of them seem to be in any logical order
[17:31] <willcooke> http://imgur.com/qMasfdW
[17:31] <willcooke> mlankhorst, any ideas?  ^
[17:31] <willcooke> seems like I missing fonts
[17:31] <willcooke> but I think I've installed them
[17:32] <willcooke> lots of this:
[17:32] <willcooke> IceWM: Warning: Could not load font "DejaVu Sans".
[17:32] <willcooke> IceWM: Warning: Could not load font "sans-serif:size=10:bold".
[17:32] <willcooke> IceWM: xft: fallback from 'DejaVu Sans,sans-serif:size=10:bold'
[17:39] <mlankhorst> ttf-dejavu-core fonts-dejavu-extra fonts-dejavu-core ?
[17:43] <qengho> Weird. Applications, XppXXcaXXoXs, ppcaos. Are those glyphs that have special hinting or something?
[17:43] <willcooke> mlankhorst, already installed
[17:44] <mlankhorst> mm :/
[17:47] <redpix0>  --enable-xfreetype
[17:49] <qengho> willcooke: $ fc-cat |grep DejaVu\ Sans: |cut -d\  -f1 |cat -n    # eight lines?
[17:53] <willcooke> qengho,      1	"DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      2	"DejaVuSans-BoldOblique.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      3	"DejaVuSans-Oblique.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      4	"DejaVuSans.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      5	"DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      6	"DejaVuSans-BoldOblique.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      7	"DejaVuSans-Oblique.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      8	"DejaVuSans.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke> redpix0, no different
[17:54] <redpix0> :/
[17:56] <mlankhorst> oh interesting
[17:56] <mlankhorst> fonts-dejavu-extra has the serif ones..
[17:56] <mlankhorst> but so does ttf-dejavu-core and fonts-dejavu-core :/
[17:58] <willcooke> no worries, bregma put me on to matchbox - seems to do the job nicely
[18:04] <Laney> darkxst: if you come back before someone replies, ^^^ I pasted a debdiff for grilo-plugins, feel free to upload/tweak/whatever
[18:04] <Laney> see you!
[18:07] <willcooke> toodles Laney
[18:11] <mlankhorst> oke goo
[18:11] <mlankhorst> good*
[18:13] <didrocks> see you guys!
[19:04] <Noskcaj> Laney, pitti: Is the transitional package needed even if we change all r-deps to use the new packaging?
[19:06] <mitya57> Noskcaj: Usually yes.
[19:06] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:10] <mitya57> Noskcaj: you don't need transitional package if the previous package could be only "auto"-installed, i.e. if it was a shared library that user won't install "just to have it"
[19:10] <Noskcaj> ok, fair enough
[19:22] <Noskcaj> mitya57, Would you have time to review bug 1421907 ?
[19:23] <Noskcaj> I'm almost sure it's incomplete, but it's a start
[19:23] <tkamppeter> willcooke, hi
[19:23] <willcooke> hi tkamppeter
[19:32] <mitya57> Noskcaj: commented on the bug
[19:33] <mitya57> Noskcaj: and btw there is a Vcs-Bzr, so you should probably submit a MP against that branch instead of a patch
[19:34] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll do that in an hour or so
[19:36]  * mitya57 → EOD anyway
[19:40] <willcooke> tkamppeter, sorry, my machine rebooted
[19:41] <sarnold> willcooke: you didn't miss anything from tkamppeter while you were away
[19:41] <willcooke> thx sarnold
[19:57] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, can I run writer and calc in separate instances on different X servers?
[19:57] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, I found some post about setting an env for each
[19:58] <willcooke> is that right?
[20:16] <willcooke> My (not Ubuntu) phone auto corrects Libre Office to libreo ff***s
[20:20] <darkxst> Laney, ok looking
[20:20] <ogra_> with all the stars ?
[20:20] <willcooke> thankfully not, but I know how sensitive you are about these things ogra_ ;p
[20:20] <ogra_> lol
[20:21] <willcooke> got Ubuntu Core installed on my Pi btw - but no time to fix Mosquitto yet
[20:21] <willcooke> soon
[20:21] <willcooke> ;)
[20:21] <ogra_> :)
[20:22] <davmor2> willcooke: did you ever think to remove the Arkwrights spellcheck app at least then it would only be foxes not ffoxes ;)
[20:22] <willcooke> LOL!!
[20:23] <desrt> robert_ancell: good morning
[20:24] <robert_ancell> desrt, hi
[20:24] <desrt> robert_ancell: today i'm splitting dconf-editor into a separate module.  i hope you find that to be oK.
[20:24] <robert_ancell> desrt, sounds good
[20:24] <desrt> (and if not, now would be a great time to speak up) :)
[20:24]  * davmor2 thinks willcooke is lying to himself if he thinks he has time to fix "other" things
[20:25] <desrt> robert_ancell: i already did the split locally, but i'm currently blocked on the gnome sysadmin team
[20:25] <desrt> on account of this: https://git.gnome.org/browse/archive/dconf-editor/
[20:26] <robert_ancell> desrt, ha! Blocked by your past self!
[20:26] <desrt> i just hate past-me
[20:26] <desrt> willcooke: did you get the new pi?
[20:27] <willcooke> desrt, ya!
[20:27] <desrt> nice and speedy?
[20:28] <desrt> the 6x speedup thing is making me reponder my rasp-pi supercomputer plans :)
[20:28] <willcooke> Haven't done anything with it yet :)
[20:28] <desrt> the old rasp-pi wasn't such a great contender... but at a 6x speed up, ...
[20:29] <willcooke> TBH, mine tend to idle most of the time.  1 runs the heating, so just a long running python script which does pretty much nothing most of the time, 1 is a router, 1 is my thermostat (again does nothing most of the time)
[20:29] <willcooke> I moved my web server to Digital Ocean
[20:29] <willcooke> so it'll probably just idle
[20:29] <willcooke> as
[20:29] <willcooke> wel
[20:29] <ogra_> if you want a speedy RPi lik board, have a look at the paralllella
[20:33] <willcooke> I'm all about the Arduino clones now :)
[20:33] <willcooke> 1 .5 GBP off ebay
[20:45] <attente_> hi, is there a way to keep ubuntu-desktop-next package while installing systemd-sysv? it depends on ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks which depends on upstart
[20:57] <desrt> robert_ancell: okay.  it's done now.
[20:58] <robert_ancell> desrt, did you find someone to take it over and maintain it too :)
[20:58] <desrt> yes, actually
[20:58] <desrt> The_gull wants to help
[20:58] <robert_ancell> awesome
[20:58] <desrt> i was hoping you could work with them a bit to help things get started?
[21:24] <desrt> Laney: heads up about dconf-editor, btw, in case you missed it
[21:32] <darkxst> Laney, looks fine, uploaded