[00:10] <mzanetti> balloons: looking into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/machines-vs-machines/+bug/1417706
[00:10] <mzanetti> balloons: do you know an app that does this kind of thing?
[01:53] <popey> mzanetti: I don't think any app can suppress screen-off. The exception is mediaplayer-app.
[02:05] <Elleo> mzanetti, popey: yeah, personally I think there needs to be a permission for it (that prompts the user) as I can think of a few use cases where it'd be handy (beru, games, third party video things, etc.)
[05:15] <mhall119> Elleo: any chance of you putting your gcompris build in the store?
[06:47] <akiva-thinkpad> !ping
[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <dholbach> balloons, yo... https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-devices-help/1416389/+merge/249647
[07:38] <akiva-thinkpad> dholbach, o/
[07:38] <dholbach> hey akiva-thinkpad
[07:38] <akiva-thinkpad> \o
[09:06] <dholbach> dpm, maybe we can do something about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-devices-help/+bug/1416389 together?
[09:06] <dholbach> or Nick could help as well?
[09:06] <dpm> dholbach, in the team call yesterday we decided to have a call today (also with Julia) to break down the tasks for the help app
[09:07] <dpm> I've not set it up yet, I'll do it in a few mins
[09:07] <dholbach> ok
[09:07] <dholbach> as I said in the bug: I need help fixing this
[09:08] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, I should probably take it myself, but I've not had the chance to look at it yet
[09:09] <dholbach> or maybe we can block half an hour together to do something like pair programming
[09:11] <dpm> happy to, but I'd like to look at it in detail first to make the most of it
[09:32] <Elleo> mhall119: eventually, I want to get things into a state that the gcompris devs have a version working from their branch which can then go into the store
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Mint Day! :-D
[09:53] <sturmflut-work> karni, gcollura, rmescandon: Great work on the Telegram app!
[09:53] <rmescandon> sturmflut-work, thanks!
[09:54] <gcollura> thanks sturmflut-work :)
[09:54] <karni> sturmflut-work: thank you :)
[09:59] <sturmflut-work> karni, gcollura, rmescandon: ...and I would like to shamelessly plug https://plus.google.com/u/0/102486542947898431342/posts/34mxERYLqpx
[10:00] <karni> sturmflut-work: wow, I didn't know about that whatsapp move. ha, thanks ;)
[10:03] <sturmflut-work> karni: The WhatsApp app in the Google Play Store is really getting a lot of negative reviews because people want WhatsApp+ back.
[10:03] <popey> whats the + one?
[10:03] <karni> sturmflut-work: proving and API and then shutting it down because competition is better is usually a bad idea
[10:03] <karni> popey: I bet it's an unofficial client
[10:03] <popey> ahh
[10:04] <karni> strange though it's got 'WhatsApp' in the name though
[10:04] <popey> yeah, those are usually terminated by WhatsApp themselves pretty promptly
[10:05] <sturmflut-work> popey: It's an unofficial client that allows more customization than the official one. You could even change the Icon. People love themes, colors, icons and stuff
[10:05] <popey> yeah
[10:06] <karni> sturmflut-work: instead, they should have employed/contracted the dev of whatsapp+, that would be smarter.
[10:07] <sturmflut-work> karni: It's Facebook after all. Pure evilness.
[10:10] <justCarakas> sturmflut-work: do you realy think this is because facebook bought it ?
[10:17] <sturmflut-work> justCarakas: Well, you probably don't pay 19 billion dollars for a company and then give up control over who uses your API. People could come up with stupid ideas, like bulding a WhatsApp+ client which suddenly also supports Telegram at the same time, and when the users realise that Telegram is free, while WhatsApp costs money, they could suddenly decide to ditch WhatsApp without any problems
[10:18] <sturmflut-work> Just one of the many possibilities
[10:18] <justCarakas> hmm
[10:56] <m-b-o1> popey: weather app meeting today?
[10:56] <popey> m-b-o1: yes.
[10:56] <m-b-o1> popey: 17h utc?
[10:57] <popey> yup!
[10:58] <m-b-o1> popey: thanks
[10:58] <popey> see you then
[13:38] <dholbach> dpm, when is the help app planning call going to be?
[14:28] <dholbach> hey balloons
[14:28] <dholbach> how are things?
[14:29] <kunal_> Hi dear developer, please tell me can I use QUICKLY on Ubuntu14.04lts to develop python apps for desktop???
[14:31] <kunal_> Hi dear developers, please help me,  please tell me, can I use QUICKLY on Ubuntu14.04lts to develop python apps for desktop???
[14:32] <balloons> hey dholbach, excellent, yourself?
[14:33] <dholbach> doing well, thanks :)
[14:33] <balloons> I was looking at your mp yesterday
[14:33] <dholbach> I talked to dpm earlier about how we move on with the help app
[14:33] <dholbach> ah, cool
[14:33] <balloons> right right.. he was to schedule a meeting so we can sprint on it. Also, I was starting on an initial content merge
[14:34] <dholbach> nice!
[14:35] <kunal_> dear developers, please help. Please tell me Can I use Quickly to evelop phython apps for ubuntu desktop on ubuntu 14.04lts. please help me.
[14:39] <dholbach> kunal_, yes, I think you can - the problem is: as far as I know quickly is not supported or actively maintained any more
 : Hi dear developers, thanks for your help. I have developed a ubuntu app in QUICKLY and I hade packaged my app using the commands in Quickly and when I submitted it to ubuntu software center, again and again packaging error is being eported . please assist me
[14:46] <dholbach> I'm sorry - I don't know how to help
[14:46] <kunal21> please dear developers, please tell me , Is there any more tool like Quickly, in which I can develop apps for Ubuntu.
[14:47] <dholbach> kunal21, I'm not sure you saw it earlier, but I think the problem is: as far as I know quickly is not supported or actively maintained any more
 oh, thanks. Please tell me , Is there any more tools Like Quickly in which I can Develop ubuntu desktop app. Please help me.
[14:49] <dholbach> you could try sending a mail to ubuntu-app-devel@lists.ubuntu com
[14:49] <dholbach> or asking on askubuntu.com
[15:11] <balloons> so dholbach we have 4 user stories on taiga; are there any more we need for the help app?
[15:11] <balloons> We'll expand those into tasks, but want to make sure we have everything covered
[15:13] <dholbach> balloons, sounds good to me - I wasn't sure if we shouldn't break up "online" and "offline" and if we should add "I want to translate the app", but I guess it's all covered already
[15:15] <balloons> dholbach, ahh right, translation is a story
[15:16] <dholbach> I guess it's covered through "... in my language"
[15:18] <dholbach> balloons, considering that we have https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-devices-help ... that's a first step for translators already :)
[15:22] <balloons> dholbach, right, it's kind of covered.. but we want translators, just like doc contributors. It's it's own story
[15:22] <balloons> might not add more tasks per se, but I'll add the story
[15:22] <dholbach> ok
[15:27] <dpm> dholbach, sorry, I set up the meeting now for tomorrow.
[15:28] <dpm> dholbach, you and I can do a hangout tomorrow morning to look at the translations issue if you want
[15:33] <dholbach> dpm, brilliant
[15:56] <Chipaca> simosx: here
[15:56] <Chipaca> currently playing a fullscreen game, so i don't see notifications :) but i'll check every game year or so ;)
[15:56]  * Chipaca on serious vacation time
[15:59] <simosx> Chipaca, are there more options than /notify/? How would one send messages between an app on the phone and an app on the deskop/etc?
[15:59] <simosx> as in a chat app.
[16:02] <Chipaca> simosx: all this is is a commandline client of the push notifications api
[16:02] <Chipaca> simosx: it's designed to be used in things like chat apps
[16:02] <Chipaca> but not bidirectional
[16:03] <Chipaca> it's for things like getting tweets if your twitter app is closed
[16:03] <Chipaca> that kind of thing
[16:03] <Chipaca> simosx: this: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/
[16:04] <Chipaca> simosx: i wrote this because i run bip (an irc proxy), and fancied getting notifications on my phone when somebody mentioned me. With this I can glue some unix commandline tools into push :)
[16:04] <Chipaca> so I tail -f the bip log, and send me notices when my nick comes up
[16:07] <simosx> Chipaca, if one were to send to more than one user, they would need to repeat the process for each one? (or some feature for a broadcast?)
[16:07] <jgm90> hello
[16:08] <jgm90> i want to create a downloader html5 app
[16:08] <jgm90> any idea
[16:12] <simosx> jgm90, is that for Ubuntu Touch?
[16:15] <jgm90> yes
[16:27] <Chipaca> simosx: yes; multicast is to-be-done (on the list though)
[16:28] <Chipaca> simosx: assuming by "repeat the process" you mean "specify the right token and POST to the /notify endpoint, that is
[16:33] <simosx> Chipaca, as if to send notifications to a bigger group of users, like 100.
[16:34] <simosx> Chipaca, is it possible for an app to receive the title/body in order to do processing? That is, to get an app to run as a result of such a notification being sent from some source.
[16:35] <Chipaca> simosx: every notification is processed by the app's helper
[16:35] <Chipaca> simosx: which is a part of the app; it doesn't have a window though
[16:36] <Chipaca> simosx: 100 is probably the cutoff point at which it makes sense to looking into doing multiple POSTs per connection ;)
[16:37] <Chipaca> for performance on your side, that is
[16:39] <simosx> Chipaca, Thanks! Will try all these.
[16:41] <Chipaca> simosx: you told me you'd looked at the code, does that include the code for the app?
[16:41] <Chipaca> simosx: otherwise, snapshot at https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/+junk/poke/ (under the "click" directory)
[16:43] <simosx> Chipaca, ‎I checked the bzr repo you listed above.
[16:46] <simosx> (also /opt on the phone)
[16:51] <mihir> popey:
[16:51] <mihir> popey: ping!
[16:51] <popey> mihir: yo!
[16:51] <mihir> popey: i am looking at bug for After Date Recurrece
[16:51] <mihir> it seems there has to be some issue with EDS.
[16:53] <mihir> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1362781
[16:53] <popey> yeah, there's a couple of merges on there
[16:54] <popey> bfiller: do you have some time for someone to re-look at the above bug?
[18:16] <andrewbiolo> hello guys! I am Andrea and I am studying how to develop an app for ubuntu (touch)..can I do a question? Can I use a python script  in an app or scope? Thanks
[18:17] <akiva-thinkpad> andrewbiolo, hey andrew
[18:18] <akiva-thinkpad> andrewbiolo, they short answer is yes, but doing python is more complicated for one reason
[18:18] <akiva-thinkpad> andrewbiolo,  you will have to bundle your own python interpreter, because for security reasons, we don't want apps using the interpreter bundled in the actual phone.
[18:24] <andrewbiolo> akiva-thinkpad, ok thank you for the answer!
[18:24] <akiva-thinkpad> andrewbiolo, what are you looking to develop by the way?
[18:24] <akiva-thinkpad> andrewbiolo, we also do use python to test our apps, via autopilot.
[18:26] <jdstrand> ftr, it isn't security reasons for not having python. it is that security policy doesn't allow it. the reason is that python isn't currently a supported framework and we make no guarantees about using it with apps
[18:26] <jdstrand> andrewbiolo, akiva-thinkpad: fyi ^
[18:26] <akiva-thinkpad> jdstrand, :o
[18:27] <jdstrand> python is a fine language :)
[18:27] <akiva-thinkpad> jdstrand, is it because it does an exec in apparmor?
[18:27] <jdstrand> we can mediate python fine
[18:27] <akiva-thinkpad> I'm far from a security expert, so i'll take your word for it.
[18:27] <jdstrand> it is literally that we don't make any guarantees via frameworks that the system python won't break your app
[18:28] <akiva-thinkpad> jdstrand, ah so its for stability purposes? Interesting.
[18:28] <jdstrand> yes
[18:28]  * zyga points to checkbox that ships python3.4 and pyotherside in a click package as an example
[18:28] <jdstrand> and security policy therefore doesn't support it
[18:28] <akiva-thinkpad> jdstrand, thanks for explaining that to me. I'll be sure to pass that along in the future.
[18:28] <jdstrand> but you're free to ship it in your package yourself
[18:29] <jdstrand> maybe in the future we'll offer a python framework
[18:29] <jdstrand> but for now, no
[18:29] <ogra_> snappy will oferr one for sure :)
[18:39] <andrewbiolo> akiva-thinkpad, jdstrand, I am only studying how develop an app, but I would create a Strava app (or scope) to extract information of athletes and paths from its database. The api of the service use curl for extract the information. For extract this data I have to use or a library c++ (libcurl) or a 3rd party library in python..
[19:30] <akiva-thinkpad> andrewbiolo, just use the c++; that is easy.
[19:31] <akiva-thinkpad> well other than the fact that you  need to know a bit of c++
[19:46] <andrewbiolo> akiva-thinkpad, sure! My question was only curiosity .. I'm looking for the best choice to start..thank you very much!
[19:46] <akiva-thinkpad> andrewbiolo, NP; if you want to be walked through getting setup with a c++ project, let me know and we can do it with teamviewer or something.
[19:53] <andrewbiolo> akiva-thinkpad, thanks! I will write you (or someone else here) when I will be ready :-)
[19:55] <akiva-thinkpad> :)
[22:21] <mzanetti> creating a 14.10 click chroot hangs here at: Extracting zlib1g...
[22:21] <mzanetti> anyone has a hint?
[22:43] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Sadly no, I created a bunch of 14.10 chroots over he last days but didn't run into this particular problem
[22:50] <SturmFlut> popey, mzanetti: I'll be on vacation for the next four weeks, so I'll most likely not be at home when the phones are delivered :/ please keep me informed!
[22:51] <mzanetti> 4 weeks...
[22:51] <mzanetti> have fun then
[22:55] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Yeah, and one of those weeks is just compensation for overtime... they are basically forcing me to not go to work.
[22:55] <mzanetti> :)
[23:20] <popey> when you say "vacation", do you mean "sitting on irc without -work suffixed to my nickname"?
[23:22] <SturmFlut> popey: No, I mean "sitting on a tropical island without -work suffixed to my nickname" :P
[23:22] <popey> :)
[23:22] <popey> Sounds fun. Send us a postcard.
[23:22]  * SturmFlut will actually hit 300.000 kilometers when touching down at his destination
[23:23] <popey> we need a multi-player networked Cards Against Humanity for Ubuntu :)
[23:24] <SturmFlut> popey: In 3D please, we need more 3D games