[07:16] <amjjawad> darkxst, by the way, Lance has sent an email 13 days ago and we both were too busy to reply. I replied today but wasn't enough as your input/feedback is always needed and appreciated :)
[07:16] <amjjawad> octoquad, hello there :)
[07:20] <darkxst> amjjawad, I replied 10mins ago
[07:21] <darkxst> it should be documented, but hopefully less confusing than the official docs
[07:21] <amjjawad> Just read that, thanks!
[07:21] <amjjawad> What exactly to document?
[07:22] <amjjawad> the main difference AFAIK is newer Kernel + latest package updates
[07:22] <darkxst> HWE Eol is earlier than 14.04.1 EOL
[07:22] <darkxst> unless you upgrade to 14.04.5
[07:22] <amjjawad> isn't it the same if a user get 14.04 and upgrade it manually to 14.04.2 ?
[07:22] <darkxst> yes, but HWE is opt-in
[07:23] <darkxst> you can install 14.04.1, then dist-upgrade
[07:23] <darkxst> and you get 14.04.2 without the HWE updates
[07:23] <amjjawad> so, what is the best approach?
[07:23] <darkxst> seems little point for people with old hardware to get HWE
[07:23] <amjjawad> for current user: upgrade to 14.04.2
[07:23] <amjjawad> for new: just get 14.04.2 ?
[07:24] <darkxst> unless they want the latest and greatest kernel+X
[07:24] <darkxst> which admittedly, lots of people might, since they seem to use LTS for the wrong reasons!
[07:25] <darkxst> current users (of 14.04) automatically get 14.04.2 without the HWE
[07:25] <darkxst> if they want that they have to manually install the meta package
[07:25] <darkxst> new installs of 14.04.2 automatically get the HWE
[07:26] <darkxst> but that EOL's about the time of 16.04.1
[07:26] <darkxst> unless they manually update to 14.04.5
[07:26] <darkxst> ^ update to 14.04.5 HWE
[07:27]  * darkxst has no idea how one can document this, in a non-confusing way
[07:27] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[07:27] <amjjawad> the text that link is not that much confusing but to document what you just wrote is the tricky part!
[07:28] <darkxst> amjjawad, indeed
[07:29] <amjjawad> I'll figure that out, hopefully
[07:29] <darkxst> ok, thanks
[07:29] <amjjawad> This will make the Download Page longer!
[07:29] <amjjawad> you welcome darkxst :)
[07:29] <amjjawad> either I shall create new page or write a website post
[07:29] <darkxst> amjjawad, well keep links to 14.04.1
[07:30] <amjjawad> Yes, I know.
[07:30] <darkxst> and another section for current 14.04.2+
[07:32] <darkxst> amjjawad, gtg make dinner
[07:44] <amjjawad> darkxst, of course for adding new section for 14.04.2 ;) and have a great meal - I'm on and off ..
[08:07] <darkxst> amjjawad, ok
[08:07] <darkxst> Noskcaj, seem new grilo-plugins requires unreleased gom, no vala?
[08:08] <darkxst> amjjawad, this was last nights entertainment:
[08:08] <darkxst> nishant2015> darkxst: Thanks for your advise... If you don't know anything, then keep ur mouth shut...
[08:08] <amjjawad> O_o
[08:09] <amjjawad> who was that?!
[08:09] <darkxst> some random idiot I suppose
[08:09] <amjjawad> Looks like that ...
[08:09] <amjjawad> I hope that was the worst line by him/her
[08:10] <amjjawad> and no further lines ...
[08:10] <darkxst> he left pretty quick after I told him off for abusing head dev!
[08:10] <amjjawad> then just ignore and forget about him/her
[08:10] <amjjawad> it happens sometimes
[08:11] <darkxst> just saying, can happily kickban idiots
[08:11] <darkxst> though he left so didnt need to
[08:11] <darkxst> I actually found it somewhat amusing
[08:12] <darkxst> clearly some need to work on their IRC etiquette
[08:12] <amjjawad> I enjoy blocking those on failbook
[08:13] <amjjawad> yes and if it will happen ever again, we need to issue a direct warning. If he/she will repeat that again, then maybe a ban/kick
[08:13] <amjjawad> but it seems he/she was someone who had no idea who are you nor what he/she really needs/wants
[08:14] <darkxst> amjjawad, irrespective of who I am, that is not acceptable behaviour
[08:14] <amjjawad> of course
[08:14] <amjjawad> we both know that
[08:15] <amjjawad> I'm just trying to imagine why would someone do that without at least knowing the one who is actually try to help
[08:15] <amjjawad> maybe language barrier ..
[08:15] <darkxst> I told him exactly the answer he wanted, but without a step by step tutorial
[08:16] <darkxst> that seemed to annoy him, especially when I Said to google it
[08:17] <amjjawad> I see
[08:17] <amjjawad> that's like the F word for some!
[08:19] <amjjawad> I remember 5 years ago, I was feeling offended (sometimes) when someone asks me to google it because I was super new to Linux and all. But quickly learned and understood that google it is the best advice ..
[08:20] <amjjawad> I'm dealing with weird problem lately so I just Googled it before asking .. the weird thing is: when I drink coffee, I actually sleep :(
[08:20] <amjjawad> I must go now but will try to be back later and will mark the images as ready before ZzZz
[08:24] <amjjawad> darkxst, as per Adam, we have plenty of time so the release should be tomorrow morning/afternoon our time AFAIK
[08:24] <amjjawad> Phew, that's good to know :D
[08:25] <darkxst> US timezones are the worst!
[08:26] <amjjawad> for us here, yes.
[08:27] <amjjawad> will be away for sometime ... cya soon
[08:27] <darkxst> if you want/can stay up fine, but unlikely I will
[08:27] <darkxst> bya amjjawad
[08:46] <amjjawad> darkxst, back
[08:46] <amjjawad> No, I will not stay up late at all. It will be ready when we shall wake up or after that
 darkxst: Good to hear.  I won't be releasing until tomorrow afternoon (my time), so plenty of time for testing, but I'm also not going to respin or retract images for anything but dire bugs, so pretty sure this is what we're shipping.
[08:47] <amjjawad> I'm sleeping early for 3 weeks now (sometimes not) and waking up early as per of my new plan that I'm following which showed great results so far
[08:47] <darkxst> amjjawad, what is early? I'm up at 7 most days
[08:48] <darkxst> but away from computer most of the day
[08:48] <darkxst> well some days
[08:49] <darkxst> dogs have been waking me up at 5.30 which isnt much fun though
[08:49] <amjjawad> darkxst, for 3 weeks or so, I'm waking up at 6am and remain awake until 11pm - 1am (if I'm bad/sick/doing something urgent 2:00am)
[08:50] <amjjawad> I am also away from emails, etc at morning because I'm studying
[08:50] <amjjawad> you have dogs?
[08:50] <darkxst> 6 is a little early, but good on you
[08:51] <darkxst> not my dogs, but they are here, and go crazy when my sister gets up to go to boot camp
[08:51] <amjjawad> this new life plan is much better. I feel much different and results are getting better. It goes to extreme bad though when I go to bed late, just like last night as I was in pain
[08:51] <amjjawad> Oh, as long as they're at your place, then that's painful ...
[08:52] <darkxst> yea all-nighters don't really fit into life plans
[08:53] <amjjawad> that is why I forced myself to follow a plan
[08:53] <amjjawad> I'm well-known to be a batman
[08:53] <amjjawad> sleepless man
[08:53] <amjjawad> whatever you call it :P
[08:53] <darkxst> I was there, 15 years ago
[08:53] <amjjawad> But this new plan is amazing. I feel better. Can do more and produce more.
[08:54] <amjjawad> I'm getting older and sleeping late is dangerous and damaging my health so must be careful
[08:54] <amjjawad> 15 years ago, was so foolish and didn't care about myself like I am right now
[08:54] <darkxst> how old ?
[08:55] <amjjawad> +33
[08:55] <amjjawad> I guess we're close in age?
[08:56] <darkxst> yes, 36
[08:56] <amjjawad> Oh, I didn't expect you to be older than me :P I thought I'm the oldest heeh
[08:56] <amjjawad> hehe*
[08:57] <amjjawad> I'm learning these days about Human Development, unconscious mind, etc and the results are amazing :D
[09:05] <darkxst> amjjawad, science is knowledge
[09:05] <darkxst> not sure what you are talking about though
[09:06] <amjjawad> hehe
[09:07] <amjjawad> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind
[09:07] <amjjawad> your conscious mind does 4 functions only
[09:07] <amjjawad> your unconscious mind does 32
[09:07] <amjjawad> your life is controlled by your unconscious mind
[09:08] <amjjawad> but you can program that with your conscious
[09:08] <amjjawad> for me, before learning that, I was wondering how on earth I can type on keyboard without looking at the keyboard?
[09:08] <amjjawad> then after learning all that, I understood what  is going on
[09:09] <amjjawad> that's just a tiny example
[09:16] <amjjawad> darkxst, any idea what https://www.elections.nsw.gov.au/ is all about? election and stuff? because I am 100% sure I have never subscribed to anything on that website .. yet, I got an email from them about a job
[09:18] <darkxst> amjjawad, state Government
[09:18] <darkxst> for nsw
[09:19] <darkxst> election work is good but probably boring, so long as its not a scammer with phy
[09:19] <darkxst> phishy links
[09:20] <darkxst> my friend did it for vic elections, got about $400 cash
[09:20] <darkxst> 12 hour day though
[09:21] <amjjawad> O_o
[09:21] <amjjawad> I'm surprised that they sent to an email address that I use carefully and I am not sure how did they got it anyway
[09:21] <amjjawad> "This role has a minimum salary of AUD95.29."
[09:22] <amjjawad> not sure what does that mean?
[09:23] <darkxst> sounds a little dodgy
[09:23] <darkxst> do the links really go back to nsw.gov.au?
[09:24] <berglh> www.elections.nsw.gov.au. 300	IN	CNAME	zpcr6.x.incapdns.net.
[09:24] <berglh> hrm..
[09:25] <berglh> IP is in melbourne apparently
[09:26] <amjjawad> Without clicking on the link, I found the same reference number: https://jobsnsw.taleo.net/careersection/all_jobs/jobdetail.ftl
[09:26] <berglh> Seems legit
[09:26] <amjjawad> and when I hover the mouse over the link, I see the same URL as far as I can tell
[09:27] <amjjawad> but I'm 100% sure I have never visited that site at all
[09:27] <amjjawad> unless it is the 3rd parties kind of thing
[09:27] <berglh> Did you supply your email when you changed address/enrolled?
[09:28] <amjjawad> never applied to anything under NSW gov yet
[09:28] <berglh> You haven't enrolled to vote?
[09:28] <amjjawad> but that email they sent to I used with Seek for example but did not apply for anything with NSW gov
[09:28] <amjjawad> Nope as I can't even vote
[09:28] <amjjawad> I'm new here
[09:29] <berglh> Are you registered with any recruitment agencies?
[09:29] <amjjawad> just the normal registration with seek for example
[09:30] <amjjawad> with Coles and WoolWorth too as far as I remember but all that via their website, not 3rd party website kind of thing
[09:31] <berglh> werid, what was the sender email address of the email?
[09:31] <amjjawad> donotreply@jobs.nsw.gov.au
[09:32] <amjjawad> which means it is an auto email as far as I can tell
[09:32] <berglh> have you applied for jobs?
[09:32] <amjjawad> and IIRC, I didn't use that email address of mine which they sent me that email when I did the photo card
[09:32] <berglh> looks like the government job list
[09:33] <amjjawad> I did apply but not a gov jobs yet
[09:33] <berglh> i signed up when I wanted to get notified of jobs in South Australia when I was living there
[09:33] <berglh> like, I saved my search on the government website
[09:33] <amjjawad> never done that so far with any gov site
[09:34] <berglh> and I gave it my email to alert me when interesting stuff popped up
[09:34] <amjjawad> yes, I understand but the reason why I'm surprised is because I haven't used that email of mine on such website at all.
[09:34] <berglh> should be able to unsubscribe i guess
[09:35] <amjjawad> I haven't subscribed on the first place :D
[09:36] <amjjawad> "Dear Ali
[09:36] <amjjawad>  
[09:36] <amjjawad>  
[09:36] <amjjawad> We would like to advise you that a role opportunity similar to your profile for the role of Work at the NSW State Election 2015-00003H47 has become available and can be viewed on our website." << that is the scary part because they mentioned my name + sent to an email I use carefully
[09:36] <amjjawad> I'll apply since I'm in need to a job and if I'm shortlisted, the first Q that I'll ask is : how did you get my email and how did you send me that email?
[09:37] <berglh> Perhaps, the person interviewing probably wouldn't know anyway
[09:37] <berglh> Other than, you must of signed up to be alerted
[09:38] <berglh> Maybe the NSW government is tracking you...
[09:38] <berglh> ¬_¬
[09:38] <amjjawad> haha
[09:38] <amjjawad> everyone is being tracked anyway
[09:38] <amjjawad> "You must be an enrolled elector to be offered employment as an Election Official or Office Assistant." << looks like I can't apply?!
[09:38] <berglh> Curious
[09:39] <berglh> Probably note
[09:39] <berglh> not*
[09:39] <amjjawad> :(
[09:39] <amjjawad> this is very very weird
[09:39] <amjjawad> I'll call them tomorrow
[09:40] <berglh> Sounds like an exercise in futility
[09:40] <berglh> but you won't know till you ask I guess
[09:41] <amjjawad> "APPLICATIONS RECEIVED FROM THIS SITE WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED. You must register your interest on www.votensw.info/work_at_this_election. " << hmm
[09:42] <berglh> https://jobsnsw.taleo.net/careersection/iam/accessmanagement/login.jsf
[09:42] <amjjawad> by the way, it is good to know there are more users of Ubuntu GNOME living here berglh :)
[09:42] <berglh> Put your email address in that
[09:43] <berglh> See if they have you registered on their system with an account profile
[09:43] <berglh> Otherwise very odd
[09:43] <amjjawad> indeed very odd
[09:44] <berglh> The fedora people at work look at me funny when I tell them I'm running Ubuntu
[09:45] <amjjawad> :D
[09:46] <amjjawad> I just seem can't get outside of this empire for 5 years now
[09:46] <amjjawad> as long as everything works, I'm not interested to move to any other system
[09:46] <amjjawad> you work with RedHat, berglh ?
[09:47] <berglh> no, I'm in a faculty it department at a university at the moment
[09:47] <amjjawad> I see
[09:47] <berglh> lots of post graduates using ubuntu though
[09:47] <amjjawad> I'm having hard time to get a job despite my strong CV/resume
[09:47] <berglh> ubuntu/mint probably the most popular distributions in the facutly
[09:48] <amjjawad> looks like that world wise
[09:48] <berglh> it's a difficult time in queesland at the moment for job
[09:48] <amjjawad> wide*
[09:49] <berglh> all the infrastructure servers we look after run CentOS or Scientific Linux though
[09:49] <berglh> if they aren't storage (illumos) and web (openbsd)
[09:50] <berglh> I'm really the only Ubuntu guy in the infrastructure team
[09:51] <berglh> I can't speak for everyone
[09:51] <berglh> but all the opportunities I have had have come from who I know
[09:51] <berglh> getting your foot in the door can take a while
[09:52] <amjjawad> it's making me sick
[09:52] <berglh> yes, but work can also make you sick
[09:52] <amjjawad> If I didn't start learning about human development and the unconscious mind, etc .. I'd be official crazy now
[09:52] <berglh> oh, that's not uncommon
[09:52] <amjjawad> I've been jobless for sometime so being sick from a job is much better than being sick from home!
[09:53] <amjjawad> I'm new to Aus anyway
[09:53] <berglh> i don't know about that
[09:53] <berglh> i can understand the frustration
[09:53] <berglh> but i had a job so stressful
[09:53] <berglh> i had physical illness
[09:53] <amjjawad> but before I come here, I have had hard time finding a job. However, I admit I lost hope back there
[09:53] <amjjawad> I'm sorry to know that berglh
[09:53] <berglh> well, i wish you good luck
[09:53] <amjjawad> I hope it is not serious?
[09:53] <amjjawad> thanks a lot berglh
[09:54] <amjjawad> I wanted to start my own business project but it seems I need a lot to learn/do to even start it
[09:54] <berglh> the fact you are here trying to contribute to society is good to hear
[09:54] <berglh> unemployment is the highest it's been for 13 years or so
[09:54] <berglh> i'm ok now, i moved back to queensland
[09:55] <berglh> but need to not work too hard
[09:55] <berglh> even though the money is good, it wasn't worth the stress
[09:55] <berglh> i guess some people handle it better than others
[09:55] <amjjawad> I've been the most 'active' member of Ubuntu Communities for many years. All that as a volunteer. I guess I have the longest Wiki page ever
[09:55] <berglh> but being unemployed is also stressful
[09:55] <amjjawad> very very stressful
[09:56] <berglh> every bill becomes your boss
[09:56] <amjjawad> http://amjjawad.net/
[09:57] <amjjawad> during the Ubuntu membership meeting, Alan was shocked to find 21 feedback from my colleagues :D hehe
[09:57] <amjjawad> I told him that's for +4 years so yes
[09:57] <amjjawad> berglh, call center/customer service job you have?
[10:00] <amjjawad> must go now and might be back later .. cya and nice to meet you, berglh :)
[10:01] <amjjawad> feel free to add me on social media channels if you have. I hope you're subscribed to our mailing list as well
[10:02] <berglh> oh, i'm just a an ethusiast user of ubuntu gnome atm
[10:02] <berglh> i'd love to contribute, but i've been working lately
[10:03] <berglh> i like hanging out here and keeping an eye on what's happening
[10:03] <berglh> good luck with your job seeking amjjawad, life is about the journey not the destination, there are many ways up the same mountain.
[11:41] <amjjawad> berglh, thank you so much and I will not lose hope ;)
[11:42] <amjjawad> berglh, one hour weekly is the minimum we ask so if you have 1 hour spare weekly, we'd be very glad to have you!
[15:11] <Chanito> Hey, i am looking for advice regarding installation of Gnome 3.14 on Ubuntu-Gnome 14.10.. Is it stable and working? And how can i install it without adding testing ppa's.. Thanks
[22:39]  * Bl4ckD34Th Bl4ckD34Th return to take your soul! You own to Bl4ckD34Th!!!
[22:48] <amjjawad> darkxst, are you around?
[22:49] <darkxst> amjjawad, yes but not for long
[22:49] <amjjawad> if yes, any major changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME darkxst when it comes to features ?
[22:50] <darkxst> amjjawad, HWE
[22:50] <amjjawad> I usually update the release notes of the latest point release and mention the newest bugs and links to everything 14.04, 14.04.1, etc
[22:50] <amjjawad> do I have to add that under 'features'?
[22:51] <darkxst> well it should be listed somewhere
[22:54] <amjjawad> I will add a new section then ...
[22:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here familiar with /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 ?  I'm trying to get it to recognize a session that isn't "gnome" but is based on GTK as valid
[22:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Specifically getting this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10315053/
[22:55] <darkxst> FunnyLookinHat, that command will never work from a terminal /shell anyway
[22:55] <darkxst> gtg
[22:55] <FunnyLookinHat> darkxst, it's supposed to be run by the session launched from gdm?
[22:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Ha
[22:57] <amjjawad> FunnyLookinHat, darkxst is busy (at work) at the moment and I'm busy doing the release notes, etc for 14.04.2
[22:58] <FunnyLookinHat> No worries :)
[22:58] <amjjawad> so you might not get the answers right away FunnyLookinHat - sorry about that. You may want to try the other support channels like Ubuntu Forums, or the mailing list
[22:58] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs FunnyLookinHat
[22:59] <FunnyLookinHat> amjjawad, thanks!  :)
[23:00] <amjjawad> FunnyLookinHat, you're most welcome and I must finish the release notes ...