[03:39] <mapp> hi all
[03:49] <zmoylan-pi> \o
[07:41] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:49] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:53] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[08:02] <mapp> morning MooDoo  knightwise
[08:02] <MooDoo> :)
[08:02] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[08:02] <knightwise> mapp:
[08:02] <mapp> good weather today kids?:)
[08:03] <mapp> 14c here in gib:D
[08:15] <knightwise> Belguim sunny but chilly
[08:33] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:42] <knightwise> hey SuperMatt $
[08:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:32] <awilkins> Oh dear, Lenovo Superfish
[09:34] <knightwise> brilliant
[09:35] <knightwise> this is whY i wipe - reinstall anyu pc that comes into this house
[09:38] <awilkins> Yeah
[09:40] <knightwise> hmm
[09:40] <knightwise> starting to count the number of hours spent behind a computer these days
[09:40] <knightwise> with consulting job, own company and the podcast its starting to add up
[09:42] <bashrc> what's your podcast?
[09:43] <bashrc> was discussing Lenovo elsewhere. Why is there not a choice of operating systems on new computers, or the ability to obtain them without an operating system?
[09:45] <awilkins> Because the market for that is tiny
[09:45] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Mint Day! :-D
[09:45] <knightwise> bashrc: www.knightwise.com
[09:46] <knightwise> hacks tips and tweaks for cross platform geeks
[09:46] <shauno> I don't wipe new machines.  I just pull the drive and stash it
[09:47] <awilkins> I dd | tar-ed a backup of the drive image on my current one
[09:47] <awilkins> Was supplied by work
[09:47] <shauno> if it ever needs to go back for warranty service, it can go back with the original install, not my data.  and gives me a wonderfully paranoid excuse to SSD All The Things
[09:47] <awilkins> But it was a naked vanilla factory install
[09:47] <awilkins> True ; this one had a 32GB mSATA SSD and 750GB of spinny rust
[09:48] <awilkins> So I went best-of-both and did the bcache thing on it
[09:48] <awilkins> knightwise : GTD!
[09:49] <bashrc> shauno: sounds like a good strategy
[09:50] <awilkins> knightwise, Yet to find a solution for GTD... was thinking maybe of adding a tickler plugin to Redmine
[09:55] <knightwise> redmine ?
[09:56] <awilkins> knightwise, it's a ticket tracker / wiki  software forge thing written in Ruby on Rails
[09:56] <awilkins> knightwise, I tried "Tracks" (getontracks.org)
[09:56] <knightwise> Cool
[09:57] <awilkins> But I've used Redmine a lot
[09:57] <knightwise> As you might notice in the podcast , my gtd system is very simple
[09:57] <awilkins> They both run quite sufficiently well on a RasPi
[09:57] <awilkins> Just listening to the ranting about geolocation :-)
[09:58] <knightwise> who's ranting ?
[09:58] <awilkins> You're right... I've thought about writing a "Context" plugin for Chrome to do GTD with
[09:58] <awilkins> Well, not ranting, observing
[09:58] <knightwise> ah me ranting/observing :à)
[09:59] <knightwise> you should listen to the cyber zen episde. according to listeners I go into a "classic knightwise rant"
[09:59] <awilkins> I think a context plugin would actually be useful
[10:00] <awilkins> If it just added an X-Context header to HTTP, you could use it to drive your task list based on location / what you're doing / etc
[10:00] <knightwise> true
[10:00] <awilkins> Although I suppose it's just a substitute for the mental habit of remembering to check your task list
[10:00] <knightwise> shauno: I have the same approach. if they dont come with an ssd i shove one in . That way I have the original drive for when I want toe sell off the machine
[10:07] <awilkins> knightwise, On the face of it, with the "knowledge" aspect you're talking about a ticket tracker / wiki sounds ideal for the purpose
[10:07] <knightwise> agreed ,but it has to also be available on my phone
[10:08] <awilkins> Offline?
[10:11] <knightwise> yep
[10:11] <knightwise> im abroad sometimes
[10:11] <knightwise> no wifi
[10:11] <knightwise> i mean no 3g
[10:14] <shauno> see, you're solving the wrong problem :)  we need to beg the EU to hurry up with nuking roaming fees
[10:14] <popey> bigcalm: ticket arrived
[10:14] <knightwise> ill go smooch up nelie smit croes
[10:14] <popey> bigcalm: ticket now on wall of office
[10:22] <knightwise> mm need new travel mouse
[10:22] <knightwise> prods popey to fix bluetooth paring with Apple magic mice
[10:23] <awilkins> I had a nice BT one
[10:23] <popey> Ok then.
[10:24] <awilkins> What's with the magic mouse? "Hey dog, I heard you liked mice, so I put a mouse on your mouse so you can mouse on your mouse."
[10:24] <knightwise> awilkins: https://www.apple.com/magicmouse/
[10:26] <awilkins> Do they do it in charcoal grey?  ;-P
[10:27] <popey> s/charcoal/space/
[10:27] <awilkins> http://www.colorware.com/p-198-magic-mouse.aspx
[10:28] <awilkins> You can get one colourised for an extra $40 from a third party
[10:28] <bashrc> I think I prefer mice with real mechanical buttons
[10:28] <shauno> ooooooh
[10:29] <awilkins> Graphite / matte seems to be the mouse I'd like
[10:29] <awilkins> My desktop already has a military green Corsair mouse though
[10:30] <popey> I prefer my mouse to be a nipple, in the middle of the keyboard
[10:31] <knightwise> the so called keyboard-clitoris
[10:31] <shauno> well that's just wrong
[10:31] <awilkins> Not fond of the clitmouse
[10:31] <shauno> it's difficult enough to find my cordless mouse :|
[10:32] <popey> its funny watching people try to use my laptop
[10:32] <popey> they go for the touch pad (which is disabled)
[10:32] <davmor2> popey: I'd just enable it :P
[10:33] <shauno> I'd prefer it if pc mffrs just had usable trackpads
[10:33] <awilkins> There's a wee button on mine to disable it but the Linux driver doesn't support it
[10:33] <awilkins> Trackpads got much better
[10:33] <awilkins> Most of them are multitouch now
[10:34] <awilkins> The thing they mostly need is better wrist fumble filtering
[10:35] <shauno> it's just one thing where apple have spoiled me
[10:35] <shauno> they have no idea how to make mice. basically because they hate buttons, which is 50% of a mouse's job.  but their trackpads are awesome
[10:37] <popey> yeah, the mbp trackpads are great in osx
[10:38] <knightwise> hmm pairing a magic mouse doesnt work :(
[10:38] <knightwise> i can pair it , it says its connected buyt ...nothing happens
[10:42] <davmor2> knightwise: you're not pressing hard enough
[10:43] <davmor2> knightwise: don't know if this helps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/AppleMagicMouse
[10:44] <shauno> yummy, docs from 10.10
[10:44] <knightwise> nope , nor does installing blueman
[10:45] <knightwise> it sees the mouse , it identifies the mouse (even with the name I gave it in OSX) it pairs but
[10:45] <knightwise> pointer no move
[10:45] <knightwise> oh wait
[10:45] <knightwise> i bleutooth manager i had to enter the pin
[10:46] <knightwise> Looks like its working
[10:46] <knightwise> lets see how good she handles a reboot
[10:50] <knightwise> ok ,  ,microsoft surface with Ubuntu on it and an Apple mouse :) #sliders !è
[10:57] <shauno> that really does sound like an unholy combination :)
[11:02] <davmor2> shauno: no it is a perfect example of how awesome Linux is :)  It just doesn't care where you hardware is from :D
[11:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: Oh man don't tell me that Mint has gone down the same path as Android and started naming it's products after Sweets
[11:07] <awilkins> Should name releases after cocktails with mint in
[11:09] <shauno> "Mint 6.0 ah just one more"
[11:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:24] <bigcalm> popey: good lad ;)
[11:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you get a phone in the end?
[11:42] <popey> seems the ones on sale are the black ones?
[11:42] <popey> not white?
[11:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: I did
[11:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: I was trying at 8am today and got a constant 404 from the store page
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> i used to like black computer hardware, phones and pdas.  till i stepped on my psion organiser at night with the lights out :-/
[11:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: Got to work and at 9.30am I thought I'd have a gander. It was back in stock and I was able to buy it without problem
[11:44] <zmoylan-pi> and i dropped my black maglight in a server room in a basement when the lights blew
[11:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: and it's still available to buy: http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html
[11:44] <bigcalm> I wonder why
[11:45] <bigcalm> Humm, ctrl-w with the wrong window in focus
[11:46] <knightwise> shauno: unholy is my middle name :p
[11:52] <popey> i quite like the black macbook laptops
[11:54] <knightwise> those are pretty oldschool bij now
[11:54] <knightwise> by now
[11:54] <popey> yeah
[11:54] <knightwise> My wife hates them. Says macs should be white
[11:54] <popey> one of our designers still has one
[11:56] <shauno> I wanted a blackbook.  the white ones don't age well
[11:56] <knightwise> shauno: agreed.
[11:57]  * knightwise has a white chromebook. Its a tad girly for me
[11:57]  * popey wants a powerpc macbook
[11:57] <knightwise> popey: one of those facy ibooks ? (first generatiojn  ?à)
[11:58] <popey> G4
[11:58] <knightwise>  ibook or powerbook ?
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> you could butch up the chromebook with a few pics of unicorns and rainbows on it? :-P
[11:59] <shauno> the 12" powerbook was kinda special.  but I'm not sure I could actually use one now
[11:59] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: i have a giant transformer sticker on it
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> my first dabble in mac was an obsolete pink imac i got second hand.  i thought pink was great as it made it less of a target for thieves :-)
[11:59] <knightwise> shauno: i had a 12 inch ibook as my first mac
[11:59] <knightwise> loved it ... thinking back fondly to those days
[11:59] <popey> knightwise: the white ones
[12:00] <knightwise> popey: ibooks
[12:00] <popey> ya
[12:04] <knightwise> https://www.flickr.com/photos/isriya/3490083/in/photolist-3fRbE-ecmAY-diu5ox-3RWzJ-88Abaw-NxYFv-iTtR-diu3qW-azxKvu-aDMhh-eeMwa-qae1-csikT-6rcKQ-91jrux-arMDo-8R8i3-7kpg7-2UP8j-4gnvov-Hn7zV-8Wwc2V-49JQB-7dBa3-htBuK-eeMxM-3Q3yk-k8av6-bnwntq-dSgXR-JizQ-5i9pB-8Z2SL8-3XPVZ-ckNMY-WyPb-6RVZb-69SST-4wfaXe-biwKt2-2TTQt-3Kvsgh-gV4Bs-3L1Hd-3cvDkd-34fLxF-a39K8-7TV6S-yn6V-diu3C3
[12:04]  * popey squints
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's an enigma code :-)
[12:05] <knightwise> LOL
[12:05] <knightwise> get it to bletchly
[12:06]  * zmoylan-pi prepares the pigeons to rfc1149...
[12:07] <knightwise> mpsyt is tha chizzle when it comes to downloading music from youtube :)
[12:07] <knightwise> great little command line app
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> i just use a browser extension
[12:09] <foobarry> hi kids
[12:11] <popey> hello
[12:11] <foobarry> hi popey
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> greetings mammals
[12:11] <foobarry> came looking for advice about getting a new tablet...
[12:11] <foobarry> thinking maybe 7 or 8 inch cos i'm a tightwad
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> any paracetomol will do :-)
[12:12] <foobarry> any recommendations?
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> argos have a bunch of cheap and cheerful.  i got a 7" asus memopad.  great little device.  gps is it's biggest irritation as it takes a while to lock on
[12:12] <awilkins> Dunno, anything that Cyanogenmod will go on?
[12:13] <foobarry> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2449274.htm
[12:13]  * awilkins has a Nexus 7 1.0
[12:13] <foobarry> hard to know what's recent and what's ancient
[12:13] <awilkins> Not exactly "tightwad" but solid, functional, and happily running vanilla Lollipop
[12:14] <foobarry> which is the most recent nexus 7?
[12:14] <knightwise>  what os are you looking for foobarry
[12:14] <foobarry> android innit, also ARM chips preferred
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi> that's a newer version than mine.  i got that and a case that fits percisely instead of the usual lose generic cases
[12:14] <knightwise> the most recent nexus  is the 2013 2.0 version
[12:15] <foobarry> sounds like we are due another one soon?
[12:15] <knightwise> Nexus 9 is a very pretty machine , Galaxy Tab 4 also not bad
[12:15] <foobarry> galaxy tab 4 10.1 is how old knightwise
[12:15] <foobarry> ?
[12:15] <foobarry> nexus 9 is £££
[12:16] <davmor2> foobarry: the tesco one is nice I forget it's name now, me looks over to popey for inspiration, I don't know about the CyanogenMod for it though
[12:16] <knightwise> sorry , galaxy tab S
[12:16]  * brobostigon wouldnt go for a samsung, touchwiz sucks donkeys balls, 
[12:16] <foobarry> hudl2
[12:16] <davmor2> that's the one
[12:16] <knightwise> brobostigon: agreed but they have a glorious screen
[12:16] <foobarry> re hudl i fear i may be needing a new one after a year though
[12:17] <foobarry> doesn't sound like many have come out recently
[12:17] <brobostigon> knightwise: that maybe, unless it a samsung, i can stick aosp on, that i would be open to, touchwiz would be replaced very quickly.
[12:17] <knightwise> true
[12:17] <popey> i do still like my hudl2
[12:17] <popey> and for 50 quid, not bad
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> i hoped that tescos would bring the hudl to ireland but haven't seen one instore yet
[12:18] <foobarry> hudl2 £129.00
[12:18] <davmor2> popey: I paid full whack for mine and I'm still more than happy, my only complaint would be battery life
[12:18] <popey> yeah, mine is mostly on charge on my desk
[12:18] <foobarry> = £65 of vouchers
[12:18] <foobarry> how long roughly in general use?
[12:18] <foobarry> 8.3 is a nice size
[12:19] <popey> 9 hours
[12:19] <foobarry> and fits the tightwad category
[12:19] <popey> which I have only ever hit when on a flight
[12:19] <foobarry> no intel chip issues?
[12:19]  * brobostigon is very happy with his nexus7 8gb, and nexus4 16gb.
[12:19] <popey> no
[12:19] <foobarry> i guess no lollipops for you though
[12:19] <popey> no, which is no bad thing
[12:19] <popey> lollipop aint all that
[12:20] <foobarry> Available Gift Certificate Balance: £154.81
[12:20] <foobarry> amazon is a factor though ^^
[12:20] <foobarry> might go and look at the hudl in person
[12:20] <popey> the nexus 7 2013 is quite nice
[12:21] <knightwise> true , had mine for quite some time enjoyed it
[12:21] <knightwise> foobarry: take a look at the huawei tabs , they also have some nice models with good screens
[12:22] <foobarry> will do
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> huawei make some seriously cheap well specced hardware
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> got my brother a cheap huawei when he broke his phone.  was impressed
[12:22] <foobarry> why is hudl so cheap?
[12:23] <davmor2> foobarry: tesco buying in bulk and a million other factors probably
[12:23] <foobarry> popey: ever feels sluggish and slow?
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> i'm guessing bulk orders, and canny at bargaining suppliers
[12:24] <knightwise> hmmm
[12:24] <davmor2> foobarry: nope it is faster than my xoom ever was and loads apps faster than the nexus 7 apps run at the similar speed
[12:24] <knightwise> browsing around for ideas how to decorate the new company office
[12:24] <knightwise> we are freeing up a room in the house for the office
[12:25] <popey> foobarry: what?
[12:25] <knightwise> has to be nice since we might receive clients for meetings
[12:25] <popey> the hudl2?
[12:25] <foobarry> yep
[12:25] <popey> not really, no
[12:25] <popey> its the fastest tablet i own
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> how many tablets do you own?
[12:25] <popey> 5
[12:26]  * zmoylan-pi would make a joke but looks to stack of 8 mobile phones sitting on shelf
[12:27] <popey> yeah, lots of phones too
[12:28] <foobarry> popey is doing a good job of selling hudl2 atm
[12:28]  * popey shrugs
[12:28] <popey> its a power hog, you can't really charge it off a laptop unless it's off
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> well he had a coupon :-)
[12:29] <popey> and if you're playing video while it's charging then sometimes it won't charge
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh, that would be a dealbreaker to me as i watch a lot of videos on mine
[12:29] <foobarry> i get that on my touchpad
[12:29] <foobarry> which is decrepid now
[12:30] <foobarry> also, while i'm here, does anyone receommend burglar alarms please?
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> go with a company that provides monitoring, otherwise it's box that makes noise that everyone ignores
[12:31] <foobarry> that is also ££
[12:31] <popey> if you use the official charger it's fine
[12:31] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: when it says it isn't charging it is because the power out matches the power in, so for me if I'm on 50% and have it plugged in and watch a fullscreen video on it at the end of the video it is 51%
[12:31] <popey> but mine is often plugged into something else
[12:31] <popey> yeah
[12:31] <popey> same
[12:34] <davmor2> foobarry: the other thing as well with the hudl2 is it takes an age to fully charge, it is almost like it trickle charges the battery to keep it in top form which is good an bad :)  but the tablet itself is light, the screen is great, wifi is good and has 2.4 and 5Ghz support and the price means you really can't crumble about it :)
[12:35] <popey> yeah
[12:35] <foobarry> someone say apple crumble?
[12:35] <davmor2> oh and the speakers are fantastic
[12:35] <foobarry> thanks for advice guys
[12:35] <davmor2> grumble :P
[12:35] <foobarry> i will go and inspect physically
[12:35] <popey> wise
[12:35] <foobarry> which means i should cancel amazon vouchers for bday
[12:37] <davmor2> foobarry: no buy lego with the amazon vouchers ;)
[12:37] <popey> heh
[12:37] <popey> wise!
[12:37] <foobarry> vouchers to spend now at tesco: £127.50
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> and sprinkle on floor till you get a burglar alarm :-D
[12:39] <foobarry> that means i can buy a new shaver at amazon
[12:39] <davmor2> foobarry: pffff look at you being all sensible
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> buy a cut throat razor, they can last a lifetime :-)
[12:40] <foobarry> also, wired or wireless buglar alarm?
[12:42] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: yeah that's cause you cut your throat with it the first time you use it it's never used again and you're dead ;)
[12:43] <foobarry> razors chafe a bit
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> you will be awake after you shave with a cut throat.
[12:44] <awilkins> I like the latest generation of vibrating multi-blade safety razors
[12:44] <awilkins> Comfy and a close shave
[12:44] <awilkins> The blades last over 6 months for me so they're not that expensive
[12:44] <awilkins> When I had an electric it dropped dead because of the rubbish NiCd battery
[12:45] <awilkins> With these you can just shove a new AAA in the handle
[12:45] <foobarry> had my remington for years
[12:49] <foobarry> popey: which case did u get
[12:49] <foobarry> for hudl2
[12:49] <popey> none
[12:49] <popey> i dont have cases on anything
[12:50] <popey> except ipad 1
[12:51] <davmor2> popey: and n4?
[12:52] <davmor2> foobarry: you don't really need one, it is really nice handling I found at least
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> i'd put a case on my nokia dumbphone but the rest of the planet will just have to risk damage if it hits it :-)
[12:56] <foobarry> the leath case looks nice
[12:56] <foobarry> also 1/3 off = £16
[12:56] <foobarry> = £8 with vouchers
[12:56] <popey> davmor2: none
[12:56] <popey> i like the way the hudl2 feels in the hand
[12:57] <davmor2> popey: +1 on the hudl2 but man you are brave with the n4 and no case, It's the only device I have with a case admittedly
[12:57] <popey> heh
[12:57] <popey> yeah, i broke it once
[12:58] <foobarry> i have a lovely flip case with my moto g
[12:58] <foobarry> you remove the old back and put a new back on
[12:58] <popey> mind you, I'll get a cover with the bq I guess
[12:58] <foobarry> didn't want the meizu ?
[12:59] <popey> the meizu isn't out yet
[12:59] <popey> but I have one on the way
[12:59] <davmor2> foobarry: it's the first phone he'll want it for posterity is nothing else
[12:59] <popey> a bit yeah :)
[13:01] <foobarry> heh
[13:01] <foobarry> forgot to eat lunch
[13:04]  * zmoylan-pi offers foobarry a penguin bar
[13:22] <foobarry> just queued with over 100ppl in sainsburys. a low point in my life
[13:23] <knightwise> we weep for you
[13:23] <foobarry> i turn 40 in 9 days
[13:23] <foobarry> that wasn't on my list
[13:24] <knightwise> foobarry: 40 is ok
[13:25] <foobarry> it is ?
[13:25] <knightwise> yep
[13:25] <knightwise> been there for a couple of months , you'll survive
[13:25]  * knightwise is off to the wonderful world of conference calls for the next hout
[13:25] <knightwise> r
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> and after a few more months 41 awaits
[13:26] <foobarry> i've been using windows every day for 2 weeks. it's been truly terrible
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> which version?
[13:26] <foobarry> blue screens, crashes, poor workflow every day
[13:26] <foobarry> win7
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> and yet win7 is the /best/ version at the mo
[13:26] <popey> lose8
[13:32] <diplo> I quite like Win7
[13:32] <diplo> Never had a blue screen yet
[13:34] <foobarry> plug in external screen/projector. close the lid. reopen at desk without 2nd screen. blue screen
[13:34] <foobarry> every time. nobody to report it to.
[13:35] <foobarry> also none of my usb ports work on win7
[13:35] <foobarry> they used to but decide to stop one day
[13:36] <foobarry> also i have disabled the forced auto-reboot after updates thing
[14:01] <awilkins> foobarry, That's a graphics driver problem
[14:02] <awilkins> Graphics drivers are pretty much the only thing other than hardware faults that can BSOD Windows now
[14:02] <awilkins> All the other drivers are in userspace now, graphics drivers have a kernel shim and a userspace driver
[14:17] <diddledan> an interesting discussion going-on at the hantslug mailing list - it started as a musing over an educational plan by politicos to improve computer-related studies and descended into the current discussion over the future of humanity and ai and evolution and discarding our physical form
[14:28] <knightwise> grr conf call from hell
[14:29] <bigcalm> I hope they didn't reverse the charges
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> 1 person who needs every thing to be repeated, 1 person who has no idea what it's a about and needs everything explained, 1 person with heavy breathing, 1 irritating cough and a partridge in a pear tree
[14:31] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, lol
[14:31] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, that about sums up _every_ confcall ever
[14:31] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: head on !
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> oh and i forgot the supervillans of conference calls.  the waffler and his henchmen the drones...
[14:37] <foobarry> i had a call the other day with a vendor who say i cannot download their "enterprise version" of some open source software
[14:38] <foobarry> which is LPGL
[14:38] <foobarry> "can i install it on my dev server" "yes but the cost is prohibitive"
[14:38] <zmoylan-pi> fair enough, i'll take the source code if it's open source :-)
[14:38] <foobarry> "cano i have a download link to it" "no"
[14:38] <diddledan> foobarry, gplviolations.org
[14:38] <foobarry> "we install it for you with logins to your super secure zone"
[14:40] <foobarry> https://www.openclinica.com/product-editions-comparison-chart
[14:40] <popey> open core
[14:41] <popey> seems fair enough
[14:41] <shauno> looks legit to me too.  gpl doesn't meant they have to give you it.  or the source.  just that if they do, they have to provide an offer to provide the source
[14:41] <foobarry> access to source code is X
[14:42] <foobarry> not sure why there is a tick there
[14:42] <foobarry> was a weird conversation
[14:42] <foobarry> we buying enterprise version
[14:43] <foobarry> if its LGPL then surely i can install on teh dev server which i don't need support on
[14:44] <shauno> I wonder how much difference there is between them.  most the 'features' make it look like it's just with or without support
[14:44] <foobarry> we asked for documentation abou the differences
[14:44] <foobarry> none was forthcoming
[14:45] <foobarry> gave us hard sales pitch
[15:28] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Galaxy-8-4-inch-Tablet-Bronze/dp/B00KLED6Q0
[15:29] <foobarry> looking nice, but pricey
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> samsung tablet with samsung software...
[15:30] <foobarry> wife has samsung tablet. software doesn't get in the way, althouh has become incredibly slow
[15:30] <foobarry> maybe dying flash? dunno
[15:31] <foobarry> 2560 x 1600 samsung vs 1900x1200 hudl2
[15:31] <brobostigon> touchwiz itself, is a very good resource hog.
[15:32] <foobarry> cyangoen isn't really available for the one she has
[15:44] <awilkins> Update on that Lenovo thing ; the private key for the MITM cert is known
[15:48] <diddledan> I must have missed that one
[15:49] <diddledan> do you have a link handy or shall I duckduckgo it?
[15:49] <diddledan> ok, I found it
[15:53] <shauno> That's what you get for sleeping all morning
[15:54] <diddledan> dang that's nassy
[15:55] <diddledan> I wonder whether lenovo actually knew what superfish was doing or if they just didn't check?
[15:56] <intrbiz> diddledan: one doubts they performed any kind of security audit on it
[15:56] <foobarry> knew yes, understood, probably no the PHB, but the techies would've known and complained surely
[15:56] <diplo> Anyone here tried integrating telegram-cli with Nagios ?
[15:56] <bashrc> maybe they just did it for the lulz
[15:56] <diddledan> it's bog-standard adware by the looks, just one that insists on mitm-ing ssl
[15:57] <bashrc> probably the great idea of some clueless exec
[15:57] <diddledan> claims of usefulness: "The technology instantly analyses images on the web and presents identical and similar product offers that may have lower prices, helping users search for images without knowing exactly what an item is called or how to describe it in a typical text-based search engine."
[15:57] <diddledan> basically standard ad-pushing
[15:58] <shauno> it's the age-old thing though.  how they're doing it is the problem, regardless of the goal
[15:58] <diddledan> indeed
[15:58] <shauno> the same way most viruses don't actually want to mess your machine up.
[15:59] <intrbiz> I struggle to see how applications which intercept your communications to inject adverts are legal, let alone ethical
[15:59] <diddledan> intrbiz, in america it might be illegal under wiretap rules
[15:59] <diddledan> I don't know about british equivalency tho
[15:59] <diddledan> I watch american tv so I hear more about their laws :-p
[15:59] <intrbiz> diddledan: no doubt there'll be a loophole, alone the lines of you accepted the EULA
[16:00] <diddledan> aye
[16:00] <diddledan> eula trumps all
[16:00] <intrbiz> yeh
[16:00] <shauno> I'm not sure it's a wiretap, since there's no third-party listening
[16:00] <diddledan> I'm sure there's a clause about the devil owning my soul in one of the eula's that I've accepted somewhen
[16:01] <foobarry> at starbucks probably
[16:01] <diddledan> the devil is at starbucks?
[16:01] <intrbiz> at starbucks, the devil merely makes the coffee
[16:01] <diddledan> intrbiz, indeed, their coffee is pretty evil
[16:02] <intrbiz> diddledan: yup
[16:02] <awilkins> My old workplace had a MITM SSL proxy in place
[16:02] <diddledan> awilkins, \o/
[16:03] <foobarry> i expect schools do it
[16:03] <awilkins> The developers and more technical users noticed the symptoms when they used Firefox for things
[16:03] <zmoylan-pi> running off an old windows 95 box for added security? :-)
[16:03] <awilkins> WEbsense
[16:03] <awilkins> Group policy also enforced that browsing went through it out of the office
[16:03] <awilkins> Which was a change
[16:03] <intrbiz> Things like Websense and Palo-alto can do TLS MITM
[16:04] <intrbiz> Schools have a duty of care in many cases
[16:04] <intrbiz> There is of course BlueCoat too
[16:04] <intrbiz> Notable for probably selling their devices to Syria
[16:05] <awilkins> All very worrying
[16:06] <intrbiz> I'm intrigued as to if any Windows AV products check the installed trusted roots
[16:08] <shauno> we use some zscaler mess that does mitm too.  part of the reason I keep personal usage to my 3g dongle
[16:09] <intrbiz> I tend to use a VPN to my server when out and about these days, in coffee shop or tethered
[16:11] <shauno> speaking of 3g, my connection today is so coughing latent I feel like I'm sending freenode postcards
[16:12] <diddledan> shauno, lenovo mitm, hmm </latency>
[16:13] <shauno> I'm really tempted to return it
[16:13] <awilkins> Yeah
[16:13] <awilkins> I tunnel things through SSH a lot of the time
[16:14] <shauno> hah, no, I'm 1 day outside the 14 days
[16:14] <shauno> that'd explain why it's making dialup look good
[16:14] <awilkins> I certainly kept on doing that at work after discovering what they were doing
[16:14] <diddledan> grr
[16:14] <shauno> we can't go through ssh anymore either.  it goes through the proxy or it doesn't go out
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> *
[16:14] <foobarry> oof
[16:14] <diddledan> yey for egress-monitoring?
[16:14] <awilkins> I had to ask for a firewall exception#
[16:14] <foobarry> slavery
[16:15] <awilkins> Happily I have a reasonable justification
[16:15] <awilkins> WEll, had
[16:15] <awilkins> Now I am in charge of my own network gear
[16:15] <diddledan> awilkins, you're the dude that everyone ignores to do his own thing in a closet?
[16:15] <awilkins> Work at home
[16:15] <diddledan> aah
[16:15] <diddledan> :-p
[16:16] <awilkins> I'm the dude who buys a router and never uses the stock firmware
[16:18] <diddledan> stock firmware always has security-holes
[16:19] <diddledan> netgear just had a large slew of their devices marked as vulnerable I think I saw?
[16:19] <awilkins> Dunno
[16:19] <awilkins> Just use whatever the newest build of OpenWRT that will run on given hardware is
[16:20] <awilkins> Also, hardware buying decisions are now informed by their list of supported hardware
[16:20] <diddledan> http://betanews.com/2015/02/19/soap-vulnerability-leaves-netgear-routers-open-to-hackers/
[16:24] <bweir> can anyone help me with networking problem I have in Ubuntu 14.04?
[16:34] <bigcalm> !ask | bweir
[16:43] <bweir> OK - here goes. A failed update left Ubuntu 14.04 in a state where Unity desktop no longer works. Running in gnome shows borked network. Interfaces up, can ping local, but have no name resolving, thus cannot use apt-get to finish update or re-install packages. Have tried various fixes, but no go. Any advice?
[16:43] <zleap> hi
[16:43] <popey> bweir: sure...
[16:43] <popey> bweir: I would be inclined to do the following...
[16:43] <zleap> i have just installed a very minimal ubuntu 12.04 mini iso in to virtual machine manager,  just wondered how to bring up the configuration so i can see what packages i can install
[16:44] <zleap> there was a screen for this in the installer,
[16:44] <zleap> please
[16:44] <popey> bweir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10310466/
[16:46] <foobarry> what are the new autobackup changes on g+?
[16:46] <popey> the what?
[16:47] <diplo> zleap, minimal cli only ? if so apt-cache search package name
[16:47] <foobarry> changes to google autobackup
[16:47] <popey> no idea
[16:47] <zleap> ok thanks
[16:47] <popey> zleap: tselect
[16:48] <popey> or just run aptitude
[16:48] <zleap> popey: thanks
[16:48] <diplo> You could use aptitude or something but the cli is easy
[16:48] <foobarry> just got a message on my phone about it
[16:48] <diplo> hah I was googling for that one popey :)
[16:48] <bweir> popey: Thanks for that - unfortunately have already tried that. apt-get just hangs since it cannot get to repositories. It looks to be a name resolution issue, but I cant tell whether system uses networkmanager or ifup/ifdown.
[16:48] <popey> bweir: wired or wifi?
[16:50] <bweir> popey: Wired - static ip, have also tried wifi dhcp with same result.
[16:50] <popey> you can force the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf
[16:51] <popey> to get yourself back up and running to finish off the apt nonsense
[16:51] <foobarry> re ubuntu phone i'd be interested about size of app data
[16:51] <foobarry> since android 4.x my data grows massively
[16:51] <foobarry> facebook 100mb, google search 50mb..etc
[16:51] <foobarry> either white space..or worse?
[16:52]  * popey runs ncdu on his phone to find out how much space is used
[16:53] <foobarry> i guess facebook etc are "web apps"
[16:54] <bashrc> here's a question. Does ubuntu touch have an owncloud client yet?
[16:54] <diplo> bashrc, https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps
[16:55] <bweir> popey: Been trying all morning thru' hand edits of /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf , no joy. Not a hardware issue, as booting into debian 7 works fine. Clues are: Unity desktop does not work, Gnome session does work but no network management. TTY1 shows network normal at base level (ip addresses).
[16:55] <diplo> https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/app/com.ubuntu.snappy.owncloud
[16:55] <diplo> Looks like that's just for Snappy Core though
[16:55] <popey> bweir: :(
[16:55] <bashrc> oh cool
[16:56] <bweir> popey: OK! but thanks for your time and attention.
[16:56] <popey> np
[16:57] <diplo> I want to try and develop an app, may have a go at doing a syncthing one once I reinstall this machine
[17:08] <zleap> is there any decent documentation for virt-manager ? http://virt-manager.org/documentation/ is all i can find
[17:08] <zleap> which is not really helpful
[17:59] <shauno> does anyone use Roundcube?  or know off-hand if it does threading?
[18:03] <diddledan> I've not looked at that in so long I've forgotten what it did do
[18:06] <shauno> I've been trying 'rainloop' ( http://www.rainloop.net ) but absolutely no threading makes mail a sad sad place
[18:07] <shauno> which is a shame - it's surprisingly passable otherwise
[18:15] <davmor2> shauno: https://github.com/RainLoop/rainloop-webmail/issues/46
[18:18] <shauno> hm, sneaky!
[18:18] <shauno> so now it threads poorly instead ofnot at all.  it's a start
[18:19] <davmor2> shauno: \o/
[18:19] <shauno> cheers
[18:51] <Grebulus> OK, sod that I'm trying to do the old, dd if=isoimage.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M bootable flash install, two questions:
[18:52] <popey> that should work.
[18:52] <Grebulus> 1, how do I type where my ISO is off my portable hard disk ? file:/// doesn't work..
[18:53] <Grebulus> 2, how do I make sure my USB is sdb ?
[18:53] <popey> type "mount"
[18:53] <popey> that will list mounts
[18:53] <Grebulus> mounting ..
[18:53] <popey> your portable hard drive is probably mounted somewhere like /media/foo/bar/
[18:53] <popey> sudo fdisk -l
[18:53] <popey> also useful
[18:54] <popey> will list all disks, so you can make sure your usb key is sdb
[18:54] <popey> my dinner is ready, ttfn
[18:54] <Grebulus> Ok , here's the spew out : http://paste.ubuntu.com/10312101/
[18:58] <Grebulus> ok , scrub that .. think I've got it .. how do I put the dd if=isoimage.iso  name/file in corrctly ?
[18:59] <Grebulus> popey's off for a popadom, then I'm off for a rollie BRB in 5 mins.
[19:06] <Grebulus> hey ho ..
[19:09] <ali1234> /media/ubuntu/SAMSUNG/Samsung\ Drive\ Manager/HugeeGreenBugs_Ubuntu_14.04_64bit_for_Acer_C720_1.0.17_1421293517
[19:13] <Grebulus> ali1234: maybe I missing something ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10312313/
[19:13] <ali1234> maybe
[19:14] <ali1234> it doesn't look like a complete file name to me
[19:14] <Grebulus> copied what you paste, anywayz
[19:14] <ali1234> i just copied what you wrote
[19:14] <Grebulus> *typed
[19:14] <ali1234> and fixed the escaping
[19:16] <Grebulus> K, Ideally I want to get it using this file : file:///media/ubuntu/SAMSUNG/Samsung%20Drive%20Manager/HugeGreenBugs_Ubuntu_14.04_64bit_for_Acer_C720_1.0.17_1421293517.iso
[19:16] <ali1234> /media/ubuntu/SAMSUNG/Samsung\ Drive\ Manager/HugeeGreenBugs_Ubuntu_14.04_64bit_for_Acer_C720_1.0.17_1421293517.iso
[19:17] <Grebulus> .. just thought I'd do it via the media/ubuntu way ...
[19:17] <Grebulus> How do I do this file specificateion ?
[19:17] <davmor2> D.I.S.C.O \o/ /o/ \o/ \o\ \o/
[19:17] <ali1234> remove file:// from the start and replace all %20 with "\ "
[19:18] <Grebulus> ok /.. doubt it'll work , but hey ho ..
[19:22] <Grebulus> Failed to open .iso : http://paste.ubuntu.com/10312442/
[19:23] <ali1234> you didnt follow my instructions correctly
[19:23] <ali1234> i said remove file://, you removed file:///
[19:24] <ali1234> i said replace %20 with "\ " and you replaced it with "\"
[19:24] <Grebulus> oh ok .. sory
[19:26] <Grebulus> Still no disco : http://paste.ubuntu.com/10312491/
[19:27] <popey> you missed the leading / from media
[19:27] <popey>  dd if=media/ubun should be dd if=/media/ubun......
[19:27] <Grebulus> ok .. give that a try .. cheers.
[19:27] <popey> just press up arrow
[19:27] <popey> then left arrow to get to the start and put the / in
[19:29] <Grebulus> K, something about permissions, now... http://paste.ubuntu.com/10312535/
[19:29] <popey> add sudo to the start
[19:30] <popey> also
[19:30] <Grebulus> ok right, silly me.
[19:30] <popey> hang on
[19:30] <popey> /dev/sdd1 looks wrong
[19:30] <popey> I suspect you mean /dev/sdd
[19:30] <Grebulus> I'll show you the mount . it's to UU1
[19:31] <popey> so sdd is your usb stick, right?
[19:32] <Grebulus> right, that's it . It's /dev/sdd1 on /media/ubuntu/UUI  : http://paste.ubuntu.com/10312578/
[19:33] <popey> so sdc is your samsung drive containing the iso?
[19:33] <Grebulus> yep
[19:33] <popey> ok, and sdd is the usb stick
[19:33] <popey> before you dd it you need to unmount it
[19:33] <popey> sudo umount /dev/sdd1
[19:33] <Grebulus> thnk so.
[19:33] <Grebulus> ok
[19:33] <popey> you can't write to a mounted stick. Bad News
[19:34] <Grebulus> ok , try that . I shall.
[19:34] <popey> once you have unmounted you should be able to sudo dd if=/media/ubuntu/SAMSUNG/Samsung\ Drive\ Manager/HugeGreenBugs_Ubuntu_14.04_64bit_for_Acer_C720_1.0.17_1421293517.iso of=/dev/sdd
[19:35] <Grebulus> Crickey, you know what . I think it actually working, cringe.
[19:36] <popey> huzzah
[19:37]  * popey goes back to feeding his minecraft chickens
[19:37] <Grebulus> huzzah ? must be something 'bout freedom and the bazarr .. where did that guy end up ?
[19:39] <popey> eric raymond?
[19:39] <popey> dunno, on a firing range somewhere
[19:41]  * davmor2 roasts popey 's minecraft chickens ....... they are not good eatin' to many bits
[19:41] <popey> nom noms
[19:46] <Grebulus> Crumbs popey , do think it's done it ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10312806/
[19:46] <popey> rock on
[19:48] <Grebulus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj628ufciSc
[19:48] <Grebulus> cheers for that, guys.
[19:49] <popey> np
[20:05] <Grebulus> The SeaBIOS on my c720P just says its" Booting from Hard Disk..."
[20:05] <Grebulus> then "GRUB_"   what now, then, now then ?
[20:07] <davmor2> popey: when you say rock on this is what I picture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lK4cX5xGiQ#t=162
[20:10] <popey> Grebulus: no idea, never owned a chromebook
[20:11]  * Grebulus sighs.
[20:12] <davmor2> popey: so for some reason that url that is meant to include the time didn't move the video to 2.41 so you'll have to for the Rock on bit :)
[20:14] <Grebulus> I'm rocking with anxiety, not Tenacious D, but thanks all the same.
[20:20] <Grebulus> davmor2: You missed out the 's' at the end.
[20:20] <Grebulus> for seconds
[20:21] <davmor2> Grebulus: I just took the link that youtube gave me
[20:21] <diddledan> davmor2, lol, good choice of video
[20:22] <davmor2> diddledan: did you not know that I'm the music man, I know tunes for all occasions :)
[20:22] <diddledan> lol
[20:25] <davmor2> diddledan: I'm happy, feeling glad, I got sunshine in a bag, I'm useless but not for long, the future is moving on and on and on.....
[20:27] <davmor2> s/moving/coming
[20:27] <Grebulus> Did anyone get an Ubuntu phone yet ? Grebulus keeps getting up after 9am.
[20:30] <davmor2> diddledan: and then there is the epic...With the lights off, it's less dangerous, here we are now, entertain us, we are stupid and contagious, here we are now, educate us
[20:32] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcAMNYNz4Do