[00:03] unless you are me bluesabre - in which case one package removal does all manner of things :p [00:04] I think I've got about 4 or 5 different visual things going on here now :) [00:04] :) [00:04] elfy: Purge bash. [00:04] greybird's checkboxes and progress bars get funny when switching to other themes [00:04] purge bash !!! [00:04] Unit193: I need more than that [00:04] as I have found [00:05] bluesabre: yeah, that happens in some apps like firefox [00:05] ochosi: its happening even in normal gtk [00:05] strange [00:05] gtk2 or gtk3? [00:05] clementine refuses to change twice - quit and start again [00:05] elfy: well that one is qt [00:06] but it does work like a music player ... [00:06] ochosi: yea :) [00:06] a bit of both.. noticed the other day in thunar file properties and session logout, and just now in file-roller [00:07] hm, not sure, but i'm not guessing that's something we wanna investigate for real... [00:08] I've installed a couple of things of late which must bring in nautilus, any file *job* calls that and then it looks really odd [00:08] jars a bit [00:08] yeah, nautilus likes to take over [00:08] dropbox does it [00:09] oh - disks does it [00:09] but then it would I guess being gnome-disk-utility [00:09] bluesabre: At least it doesn't clash with xfdesktop though. [00:10] Unit193: it no longer draws on top? woot [00:10] bluesabre: btw, since that was mentioned earlier, i might inhibit the symbolic icons for the open-file dialog sidebar [00:10] bluesabre: or at least try that, to make it look more consistent with thunar again [00:11] ochosi: all right, let me know if anything needs to change in any of my apps to avoid color [00:11] nah, i think catfish can stay as it is [00:11] bluesabre: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xfdesktop4/vivid/view/head:/debian/patches/xubuntu_improve-nautilus-interactions.patch ? [00:12] Unit193: oh right [00:15] ochosi: Still here? You were okay with xscreensaver ending up getting pulled in with core, but light-locker in desktop. You still feel this way? [00:16] Unit193: well sorta. do the two packages mutually exclude each other? [00:16] what i wouldn't want is ppl ending up with both, that could cause hickups [00:16] was there a specific/good reason for this? [00:17] You can install both. If you install the core though, you're more likely to have a clue in general and not likely to "upgrade" to desktop. [00:17] yeah, but what would be the reason to include two different lockers? [00:18] Just wasn't added, mainly. core doesn't depend on any locker. [00:18] so xscreensaver implicitely gets pulled into core? [00:19] Yep. [00:20] hmm [00:20] i'm not a huge fan, let's put it this way [00:20] and i don't see a good reason to (potentially) include two different lockers [00:21] ochosi: Just flip * (light-locker) to the 'other' section in core, problem solved. [00:22] yup, +1 on that [00:22] bluesabre: ^ ? [00:22] brb [00:23] probably be a worthwhile change [00:23] * Unit193 calls 'not it' on this one. [00:23] :) [00:27] alrighty [00:28] Later on I'll actually sort the whole seed... [00:29] Unit193: so during the meeting today there's "ACTION: Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs " which was about the core upgrade issue [00:29] nicely got 2 pings in there [00:29] Unit193: lol, tempted to upload this [00:29] "d/p/lid-closed.patch: Take patch from upstream branch that does something." [00:29] heh [00:30] bluesabre: Well you told me to package it, but I hadn't paid enough attention as to what it did. :P [00:30] (same here) [00:30] I'll reword it a bit [00:31] Oh, you're actually uploading that? I thought it was for a PPA. ;P [00:31] bluesabre: Danke. [00:31] elfy: Right, well only way to test right now would be for me to throw up a mirror of their upgrade stuff. :P [00:31] Do I need to do that? [00:33] Unit193: well [00:34] the way I see it currently - is there any rush for it? [00:34] Hope not. [00:34] Heck, don't think it's on a blueprint so it must not be that important. [00:34] if not would we not be better to work out exactly what scenarios we need to test first? [00:34] Unit193: yea - it's post -blueprint :) [00:37] I just wonder if we get it on something now (BP) as an exercise in working out what needs to be done [00:37] then use next cycle to test it properly - so it's mostly done for LTS [00:43] Unit193: ^^ does that make sense? not sure what time frame we've got here ofc [00:43] QA <- last to know ... [00:43] :D [01:19] folks, with the latest release of libxfce4ui we should check whether shortcuts with and without the Super key still work [01:19] regression-testing against this bug: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10373 [01:20] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10373 in General "libxfce4ui-4.11: 3bb8c7d breaks shortcuts with modifier" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [01:20] there used to be a launchpad report for that too, can't seem to find it now [01:20] given that I make an inordinate amount of use of Super I'll look forward to seeing that land in ppa :) [01:20] heh [01:20] good good [01:20] just wanted to let you know in advance [01:21] should land in vivid soon [01:21] no media kbd here ochosi [01:21] so if you notice a problem between "super + shift + a" and "super + a" you'll know where to look [01:21] (as an example ^ ) [01:21] so Super+various Fx buttons control music here [01:21] k [01:22] try super plus a modifier like shift [01:22] that is reportedly a good way to reproduce the bug [01:22] yep [01:22] once I see it land I'll change them all [01:22] ochosi, elfy: re website: http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/.webdev/x-desk-lap.png [01:22] if I see it I will tell you :D [01:22] "Desktop and Laptops alike..." [01:22] +s [01:22] a bit sketchy [01:22] yay [01:23] but why not [01:23] ochosi, i thought you ack'd that direction :P [01:23] yeah yeah :) [01:23] Roobarb and Custard [01:23] love it :) [01:23] heh [01:23] that being public, i'm taking in all suggestions of artwork that we could use on the website [01:24] eg. if you have an idea of a drawing we could have on the tour page, tell me [01:24] bluesabre, Unit193: ping since you're here anyway ^ [01:24] sidi isn't allowed to comment. [01:24] I /ignore anyway :p [01:26] * sidi comments. [01:26] I didn't see that [01:26] :p [01:27] knome: the more i look at it the more i like it [01:27] mhm, i was considering adding some kind of pencil-drawing filter to it [01:28] to make it even a bit rougher... [01:28] I like that my pen slipped sideways as I drew art :) [01:28] knome: yeah, that could work [01:28] we can definitely straighten up some of the lines if that makes this feel clumsy [01:29] thing is, it would need to be an inkscape filter... [01:31] oh words ... [01:33] knome: nah, not sure straightening would be a good idea [01:33] but feel free to give it a shot if you disagree [01:33] well not completely [01:33] wow, didrocks and pitti contributed to systemd [01:34] Of course pitti did. [01:35] It's a pitty ochosi didn't expect that [01:35] It's a pitti ochosi didn't expect that [01:35] joke's not funny once I screw it up :'( [01:35] oh, pun times [01:38] haha [01:39] ochosi, you mean phun times? [01:39] :] [02:02] Unit193: quick comment, i can't technically approve/reject that MR, i can only approve/reject the intention: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-release-upgrader/core-upgrades/+merge/250224 [02:02] but i presume you're primarily looking for the latter anyway [02:04] anyway, i can also ack that tomorrow [02:04] night all [02:04] nighty ochosi [02:05] and with that, i'm out too [02:05] nighty everybody [02:05] G'night. [02:46] * bluesabre works on image testing until bed time [02:48] what a lovely chap [02:49] as long as you noticed my ping about 32bit :) [02:49] yes, that's what I'm doing [02:49] what a lovely chap [02:49] :) [02:49] any smoketests on those is one less I'll do tomorrow ;) [02:50] jjfrv8 also seems to have kick some 32bit butt today too [02:50] +ed [02:50] really [02:50] > [02:50] usually slickymaster hammers into 32 bit and jjfrv8 64bit [02:51] * elfy has numbers ;) [02:51] heh === \b is now known as benonsoftware [09:23] good morning! I hope everything runs fine with the releasing [09:23] morning everyone [09:38] Unit193: you haven't really replied to my MR question yesterday [10:07] ochosi, almost the last chance... is there something in the staging site that irks you before i start the process to push it to production? [10:08] ochosi, the last thing i'm going to look at now is the header background, which has been WIP/PoC for now [10:08] and i'll do other things before that, so you have approx. a few hours to reply :) [10:11] approx a few? :D [10:11] k, i'll take a look in a bit [10:11] but since i monitored it's progress continuously (more or less), i think i'll just be fine with it [10:12] well, i have no idea how long it'll take to do those $other_things, nor how long i'll poke around with the header img [10:12] but it's 1+ h for sure until i do the IS ticket [10:12] k k [10:13] i have small updates planned for a 2.0 version for this theme, so it's also possible to postpone other things for that [10:13] slickymasterWork, you too, last chance to whine about the staging site, will start the process later today [10:14] * slickymasterWork is no whiner :P [10:14] :P [10:14] and won't start now [10:14] sorry, winer :P [10:14] I already told you knome that I liked it [10:14] i know [10:15] so no whining from this side [10:15] but it's always different when i threat clients with "now i'm going to push it to production" [10:15] they always find things to nag about then [10:15] that's why i've started doing fake calls for pushing :P [10:15] you have my thumbs up [10:16] not sure if you noted knome, but I pushed a small change to the opening paragraph of the index yesterday [10:17] mmm - so I've got like about 25 things to whine about that [10:17] elfy, go ahead ;)) [10:17] hey elfy [10:17] :) [10:17] slickymasterWork, nope, but good good :P [10:17] elfy, even if you had... this would be a good time to tell them [10:17] elfy, i changed the menu arrows a bit today [10:18] knome: I can tell [10:18] not much and the logic/feature is still the same [10:18] except it also has one more logic error fixed :D [10:19] but i'm off for some real work now [10:20] :) [10:20] will read the rants when i'm back [10:20] --> [10:37] ochosi bluesabre - ok then - all trusty images tested, I'm good to mark ready if you 2 are [10:37] next thing ... release notes for it [10:38] hey elfy, I'm still testing :P [10:38] :) [10:53] ochosi, Are you available? [10:53] @work, so only so-so [10:53] ochosi: Error: "work," is not a valid command. [10:54] good point, meetingology :) [10:54] ochosi, I see you add Ubiquity panel compatibility to greybird. [10:54] oh right, that [10:55] well that's only a very trivial patch to show a custom background on ubiquity's panel [10:55] Which required a new image, right? Anything else? [10:55] that is if you use/show that panel [10:55] (although i think you should, mostly xfwm4/xfce was exempt of showing it) [10:55] ochosi, So I do use the ubiquity-dm and it's panel. [10:55] it's a new image-bg and you also need to patch ubiquity [10:55] lemme dig up my patch (it's really trivial) [10:55] By default, the ubiquity panel is themed like Ambiance. [10:56] there you go: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/ubiquity/xubuntu-panel-bg/+merge/247001 [10:56] yes, indeed [10:56] ochosi, Thanks very much. [10:57] n [10:57] np [10:57] elfy: almost there, i'll do a quick smoketest for 14.04.2 myself in a few [10:58] \o/ [11:19] phew, zsync finally finished [11:19] brb [11:21] elfy: a-ok from me [11:25] * ochosi already boots the vm [11:25] can't take much longer i guess [11:26] elfy: the black bg on the try/install ubiquity screen is still expected in 14.04.2? [11:28] afaik - certainly not seen that any different since last year [11:28] guess we could've backported the fix from vivid, then again... [11:28] it's not really that crucial [11:28] yep [11:29] ok, live-session looks good. [11:29] :) [11:29] certainly a good start :) [11:30] :D [11:30] better than 2 weeks ago for sure :p [11:30] knome: even a year later, i still like the trusty wp, nice work on that one [11:32] bluesabre: by any chance got a list of fixes that made it back to trusty since .1 for the release notes? [11:34] not a good one, several of our updates got stopped because they introduced a flurry of new bugs [11:35] "14.04.2 Release notes: This release contains *moar fixes*." [11:37] looks like this one is in -updates [11:37] xfdesktop4 (4.11.8-0ubuntu0.1) [11:38] * New upstream development and bugfix release (LP: #1365965) [11:38] * debian/patches/xubuntu_set-accountsservice-user-bg.patch: update [11:38] patch to only update on first workspace filename change [11:38] -- Sean Davis Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:53:04 -0400 [11:38] Launchpad bug 1365965 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu Trusty) "[MRE] Please update xfdesktop4 to 4.11.8 in Trusty" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365965 [11:38] xubuntu-default-settings (14.04.6) trusty; urgency=medium [11:38] [ Bruno Nova ] [11:38] * etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu [11:38] - Add Settings submenu to main menu to make launchers in the Settings [11:38] category appear in Whisker menu (LP: #1310264) [11:39] Launchpad bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 [11:39] -- Sebastien Bacher Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:19:10 +0100 [11:40] I've got draft .2 started on x.org - running off for a bit to do some things before the day runs away [11:40] bluesabre: thanks for ^^ [11:41] going through http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/allpackages to see if there is anything else since .1 [11:41] elfy: ok, smoketest completed, looks fine to me! [11:44] xfce4-weather-plugin (0.8.3-1ubuntu0.1) trusty; urgency=medium [11:44] * Add patches from upstream git to use locationforcast-1.2 (LP: #1377612) [11:44] -- Sean Davis Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:12:57 -0400 [11:44] Launchpad bug 1377612 in xfce4-weather-plugin (Ubuntu Precise) "[SRU] Plugin needs updated for locationforecast-1.2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377612 [11:45] the usual firefox, thunderbird updates [11:45] ochosi: ta - I assume that's an ack to mark ready :) [11:45] yup [11:46] xchat (did we ship that for trusty?), pidgin both have had security updates (POODLE, etc) [11:46] that seems to be it [11:46] ok thanks :) [11:46] brb [11:46] biab [11:47] byob [12:02] ochosi, mhm, it's better than utopic... [12:07] now for some stretching and then preparing the website push... [12:09] FINALLY [12:09] indeed [12:10] :D [12:10] :D :D [12:10] :D :D :D [12:11] ochosi, one question [12:11] ochosi, in the screenshots page, do you prefer the current order, or would you like to see the page content before the screenshots? [12:52] Unit193: how long does it take for germinate to recognize a new package? [12:52] ? Unknown desktop package: lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings [12:53] gotta run, bbl [12:53] ttyl [12:57] ochosi, did you see my question? [12:59] knome: sorry, was distracted with other stuff [12:59] do you have some links for me? (current vs proposed) [13:00] no, i only have the current style [13:00] and it's on the staging site :P [13:00] which i apparently just broke [13:00] just wanted to say, i don't see anything there :D [13:01] best version ever [13:04] yes [13:10] 94 tests reported for trusty .2 :) [13:12] nice [13:14] awesome [15:31] bluesabre: Has to get out of -proposed. [15:53] elfy, can you try to reproduce and confirm bug 1423602 [15:54] bug 1423602 in mousepad (Ubuntu) "mousepad crashed with signal 5 in main()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1423602 [15:55] apart from theming issues, this works surprisingly well... http://www.webupd8.org/2015/02/use-global-menu-in-xubuntu-or-linux.html [15:55] (i know sean already linked it in -ot) [15:56] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/theme/revision/57 [16:03] slickymasterWork: is pkexec even in trusty? [16:03] was it not brought in during utopic? [16:03] yes, it was [16:03] damn [16:04] I have way to many virtual boxes [16:04] :D [16:04] elfy, did you see the latest header bg? [16:04] try it here I've got a bunch of those open and I'm trying to work kvm out too [16:04] * slickymasterWork as to clean up is virtual environment [16:04] elfy, ^ it's pushed now so no complaints, but for the laughs :P [16:05] knome: not sure what I should be seeing here :) [16:05] elfy, make sure you double refresh [16:06] elfy, once you're done, you should see blueish blues [16:06] elfy, instead of cyanish blues [16:06] in staging? [16:06] elfy, and some lines instead of blurred spots [16:06] yapp [16:06] So 4 new po files, lost fr and picked up de. [16:06] hello! I hope the release day was or is still successful :-) [16:07] knome: I see a slightly darker triangle at right top [16:07] elfy, yes, that must be it ;) [16:07] :) [16:07] Akusari: on going ... [16:08] are you sure it's a triangular triangle? [16:08] ... [16:08] well it's got three angles ... [16:08] what if the rest are hiding? [16:08] then they're doing an awesome job :D [16:08] they actually are ;) [16:09] yep [16:18] Hm. We'll actually need to poke the wallpaper before release because of UIF. [16:18] yes.. how so? :) [16:22] right - going to try and crack out the basic release note so that someone else can make it pretty and friendly [16:31] knome, the finnish strings that presently are having issues with the whitespaces within tags -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10310226 [16:32] because ? [16:33] ochosi knome : draft release notes at x.org now should be ok - obviously not got download links yet [16:33] elfy: awesome! thanks a lot for taking care of that [16:34] can't say exactly why knome. There's also issues with ? [16:34] ? [16:35] why would there be? [16:35] ochosi: welcome ofc [16:35] that's completely normal [16:35] duno [16:35] well get your act togerther before you tell me my strings are broken ;) [16:43] knome, why do we have those extra spaces in between tags in the first place? [16:44] which tags? [16:44] is it something forced by DocBook markup? [16:44] the space between the placeholders and the text after that is intentional [16:44] this for example ->

/usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/

[16:44] can you explaine me the reason? [16:44] it makes the space between the icon (placeholder) and the text part sane [16:44] -e [16:45] we could do that even without that space in the markup, but now that it is like it is... [16:45] one whitespace is meaningful [16:45] hmmm, ok [16:45] as long as it's outside tags [16:59] es.po presently has 7 strings with invalid markup -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10310596/ [17:00] fr.po presently has 1 string with invalid markup -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10310613/ [17:00] knome: ^^ [17:00] I think of downloading those two correct the markup and upload them back [17:01] any argues with that? [17:01] s/I/I'm [17:15] ochosi: we going to do wiki release notes? there should be the common bugs list available for that [17:16] * ochosi shrugs [17:16] why not [17:17] I'll see if there's a .1 to base off [17:18] cool cool [17:36] Right, so merge "needs information"... [17:36] I'm having an elfy moment. [17:39] you could discuss it with bdmurray directly on irc as well [17:40] * ochosi wasn't aware that "having an elfy moment" was a thing [17:40] lol [17:41] ochosi: re wiki release note - seems we just linked to the main 14.04 one [17:43] It's not, I'm just bad. [17:44] mmm [17:44] so an elfy moment is being bad :( [17:50] lol [17:50] poor elfy [17:50] * ochosi pats elfy on the head [17:51] elfy: i'm fine with doing that again... [17:51] (and now that you mention it i remember) [17:52] though ... i'm going to try running something for infinity which drags common bugs and fixes - so it may be worth doing a .2 page [17:52] .1 was really the first release [17:53] everybody interested, RT ticket 26131 for the website process [17:53] ochosi, pleia2: you're CC'd on the website push ticket [17:54] elfy: ok, that's totally fine as well [17:54] knome: thanks - I'll add it to my list of 100 rt tickets :p [20:33] bluesabre: You may have to poke someone about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings to get it to migrate so you can update -meta before the end of the day. [21:01] Is there any way to push unity guys to release their stuff? I wanted to use a "libido" library but the latest released version is 12.10: https://launchpad.net/ido/12.10/12.10.2 [21:01] there were quite a few unreleased versions since [21:01] andrzejr, if there is, it's not whining in this channel ;) [21:02] Is this intentional? I mean, are they trying to make this framework Ubuntu only? [21:02] no idea, you really should talk with them [21:03] It is not whining - I'm seriously considering using this lib but I need to know what is their development plan [21:05] Honestly, it does kind of seem like they only want that stuff in house. :P [21:05] you won't find unity developers here though, so what's the agenda? [21:05] got some r/l for a while - draft notes on x.org and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr.2/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu drafted [21:05] andrzejr: They all hang out in #ubuntu-desktop. [21:06] thanks Unit193 [21:06] andrzejr: Good luck, you're going to need it. [21:09] and there's not an Ubuntu general known issue page, but there is a change summary for .2 if we want to <> that [21:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/14.04.2 [21:14]