[00:03] <elfy> unless you are me bluesabre - in which case one package removal does all manner of things :p
[00:04] <elfy> I think I've got about 4 or 5 different visual things going on here now :)
[00:04] <bluesabre> :)
[00:04] <Unit193> elfy: Purge bash.
[00:04] <bluesabre> greybird's checkboxes and progress bars get funny when switching to other themes
[00:04] <elfy> purge bash !!!
[00:04] <elfy> Unit193: I need more than that 
[00:04] <bluesabre> as I have found
[00:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, that happens in some apps like firefox
[00:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: its happening even in normal gtk 
[00:05] <ochosi> strange
[00:05] <ochosi> gtk2 or gtk3?
[00:05] <elfy> clementine refuses to change twice - quit and start again 
[00:05] <ochosi> elfy: well that one is qt
[00:06] <elfy> but it does work like a music player ... 
[00:06] <elfy> ochosi: yea :)
[00:06] <bluesabre> a bit of both.. noticed the other day in thunar file properties and session logout, and just now in file-roller
[00:07] <ochosi> hm, not sure, but i'm not guessing that's something we wanna investigate for real...
[00:08] <elfy> I've installed a couple of things of late which must bring in nautilus, any file *job* calls that and then it looks really odd
[00:08] <elfy> jars a bit 
[00:08] <bluesabre> yeah, nautilus likes to take over
[00:08] <elfy> dropbox does it
[00:09] <elfy> oh - disks does it 
[00:09] <elfy> but then it would I guess being gnome-disk-utility
[00:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: At least it doesn't clash with xfdesktop though.
[00:10] <bluesabre> Unit193: it no longer draws on top? woot
[00:10] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, since that was mentioned earlier, i might inhibit the symbolic icons for the open-file dialog sidebar
[00:10] <ochosi> bluesabre: or at least try that, to make it look more consistent with thunar again
[00:11] <bluesabre> ochosi: all right, let me know if anything needs to change in any of my apps to avoid color
[00:11] <ochosi> nah, i think catfish can stay as it is
[00:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xfdesktop4/vivid/view/head:/debian/patches/xubuntu_improve-nautilus-interactions.patch ?
[00:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: oh right
[00:15] <Unit193> ochosi: Still here?  You were okay with xscreensaver ending up getting pulled in with core, but light-locker in desktop.  You still feel this way?
[00:16] <ochosi> Unit193: well sorta. do the two packages mutually exclude each other?
[00:16] <ochosi> what i wouldn't want is ppl ending up with both, that could cause hickups
[00:16] <ochosi> was there a specific/good reason for this?
[00:17] <Unit193> You can install both.  If you install the core though, you're more likely to have a clue in general and not likely to "upgrade" to desktop.
[00:17] <ochosi> yeah, but what would be the reason to include two different lockers?
[00:18] <Unit193> Just wasn't added, mainly.  core doesn't depend on any locker.
[00:18] <ochosi> so xscreensaver implicitely gets pulled into core?
[00:19] <Unit193> Yep.
[00:20] <ochosi> hmm
[00:20] <ochosi> i'm not a huge fan, let's put it this way
[00:20] <ochosi> and i don't see a good reason to (potentially) include two different lockers
[00:21] <Unit193> ochosi: Just flip  * (light-locker)  to the 'other' section in core, problem solved.
[00:22] <ochosi> yup, +1 on that
[00:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: ^ ?
[00:22] <ochosi> brb
[00:23] <bluesabre> probably be a worthwhile change
[00:23]  * Unit193 calls 'not it' on this one.
[00:23] <elfy> :)
[00:27] <bluesabre> alrighty
[00:28] <Unit193> Later on I'll actually sort the whole seed...
[00:29] <elfy> Unit193: so during the meeting today there's "ACTION: Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs " which was about the core upgrade issue
[00:29] <elfy> nicely got 2 pings in there
[00:29] <bluesabre> Unit193: lol, tempted to upload this
[00:29] <bluesabre> "d/p/lid-closed.patch: Take patch from upstream branch that does something."
[00:29] <elfy> heh
[00:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: Well you told me to package it, but I hadn't paid enough attention as to what it did. :P
[00:30] <bluesabre> (same here)
[00:30] <bluesabre> I'll reword it a bit
[00:31] <Unit193> Oh, you're actually uploading that?  I thought it was for a PPA. ;P
[00:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: Danke.
[00:31] <Unit193> elfy: Right, well only way to test right now would be for me to throw up a mirror of their upgrade stuff. :P
[00:31] <Unit193> Do I need to do that?
[00:33] <elfy> Unit193: well 
[00:34] <elfy> the way I see it currently - is there any rush for it? 
[00:34] <Unit193> Hope not.
[00:34] <Unit193> Heck, don't think it's on a blueprint so it must not be that important.
[00:34] <elfy> if not would we not be better to work out exactly what scenarios we need to test first?
[00:34] <elfy> Unit193: yea - it's post -blueprint :)
[00:37] <elfy> I just wonder if we get it on something now (BP) as an exercise in working out what needs to be done
[00:37] <elfy> then use next cycle to test it properly - so it's mostly done for LTS
[00:43] <elfy> Unit193: ^^ does that make sense? not sure what time frame we've got here ofc
[00:43] <elfy> QA <- last to know ... 
[00:43] <elfy> :D
[01:19] <ochosi> folks, with the latest release of libxfce4ui we should check whether shortcuts with and without the Super key still work
[01:19] <ochosi> regression-testing against this bug: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10373
[01:20] <ochosi> there used to be a launchpad report for that too, can't seem to find it now
[01:20] <elfy> given that I make an inordinate amount of use of Super I'll look forward to seeing that land in ppa :)
[01:20] <ochosi> heh
[01:20] <ochosi> good good
[01:20] <ochosi> just wanted to let you know in advance
[01:21] <bluesabre> should land in vivid soon
[01:21] <elfy> no media kbd here ochosi 
[01:21] <ochosi> so if you notice a problem between "super + shift + a" and "super + a" you'll know where to look
[01:21] <ochosi> (as an example ^ )
[01:21] <elfy> so Super+various Fx buttons control music here 
[01:21] <ochosi> k
[01:22] <ochosi> try super plus a modifier like shift
[01:22] <ochosi> that is reportedly a good way to reproduce the bug
[01:22] <elfy> yep
[01:22] <elfy> once I see it land I'll change them all 
[01:22] <knome> ochosi, elfy: re website: http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/.webdev/x-desk-lap.png
[01:22] <elfy> if I see it I will tell you :D
[01:22] <knome> "Desktop and Laptops alike..."
[01:22] <knome> +s
[01:22] <ochosi> a bit sketchy
[01:22] <elfy> yay
[01:23] <ochosi> but why not
[01:23] <knome> ochosi, i thought you ack'd that direction :P
[01:23] <ochosi> yeah yeah :)
[01:23] <elfy> Roobarb and Custard 
[01:23] <elfy> love it :)
[01:23] <ochosi> heh
[01:23] <knome> that being public, i'm taking in all suggestions of artwork that we could use on the website
[01:24] <knome> eg. if you have an idea of a drawing we could have on the tour page, tell me
[01:24] <knome> bluesabre, Unit193: ping since you're here anyway ^
[01:24] <knome> sidi isn't allowed to comment.
[01:24] <elfy> I /ignore anyway :p
[01:26]  * sidi comments.
[01:26] <elfy> I didn't see that 
[01:26] <elfy> :p
[01:27] <ochosi> knome: the more i look at it the more i like it
[01:27] <knome> mhm, i was considering adding some kind of pencil-drawing filter to it
[01:28] <knome> to make it even a bit rougher...
[01:28] <elfy> I like that my pen slipped sideways as I drew art :)
[01:28] <ochosi> knome: yeah, that could work
[01:28] <knome> we can definitely straighten up some of the lines if that makes this feel clumsy
[01:29] <knome> thing is, it would need to be an inkscape filter...
[01:31] <elfy> oh words ... 
[01:33] <ochosi> knome: nah, not sure straightening would be a good idea
[01:33] <ochosi> but feel free to give it a shot if you disagree
[01:33] <knome> well not completely
[01:33] <ochosi> wow, didrocks and pitti contributed to systemd
[01:34] <Unit193> Of course pitti did.
[01:35] <bluesabre> It's a pitty ochosi didn't expect that
[01:35] <bluesabre> It's a pitti ochosi didn't expect that
[01:35] <bluesabre> joke's not funny once I screw it up :'(
[01:35] <ochosi> oh, pun times
[01:38] <knome> haha
[01:39] <knome> ochosi, you mean phun times?
[01:39] <ochosi> :]
[02:02] <ochosi> Unit193: quick comment, i can't technically approve/reject that MR, i can only approve/reject the intention: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-release-upgrader/core-upgrades/+merge/250224
[02:02] <ochosi> but i presume you're primarily looking for the latter anyway
[02:04] <ochosi> anyway, i can also ack that tomorrow
[02:04] <ochosi> night all
[02:04] <knome> nighty ochosi 
[02:05] <knome> and with that, i'm out too
[02:05] <knome> nighty everybody
[02:05] <Unit193> G'night.
[02:46]  * bluesabre works on image testing until bed time
[02:48] <elfy> what a lovely chap 
[02:49] <elfy> as long as you noticed my ping about 32bit :)
[02:49] <bluesabre> yes, that's what I'm doing
[02:49] <elfy> what a lovely chap 
[02:49] <elfy> :)
[02:49] <elfy> any smoketests on those is one less I'll do tomorrow ;)
[02:50] <bluesabre> jjfrv8 also seems to have kick some 32bit butt today too
[02:50] <bluesabre> +ed
[02:50] <elfy> really
[02:50] <elfy> >
[02:50] <elfy> usually slickymaster hammers into 32 bit and jjfrv8 64bit
[02:51]  * elfy has numbers ;)
[02:51] <bluesabre> heh
[09:23] <Akusari> good morning! I hope everything runs fine with the releasing
[09:23] <ochosi> morning everyone
[09:38] <ochosi> Unit193: you haven't really replied to my MR question yesterday
[10:07] <knome> ochosi, almost the last chance... is there something in the staging site that irks you before i start the process to push it to production?
[10:08] <knome> ochosi, the last thing i'm going to look at now is the header background, which has been WIP/PoC for now
[10:08] <knome> and i'll do other things before that, so you have approx. a few hours to reply :)
[10:11] <ochosi> approx a few? :D
[10:11] <ochosi> k, i'll take a look in a bit
[10:11] <ochosi> but since i monitored it's progress continuously (more or less), i think i'll just be fine with it
[10:12] <knome> well, i have no idea how long it'll take to do those $other_things, nor how long i'll poke around with the header img
[10:12] <knome> but it's 1+ h for sure until i do the IS ticket
[10:12] <ochosi> k k
[10:13] <knome> i have small updates planned for a 2.0 version for this theme, so it's also possible to postpone other things for that
[10:13] <knome> slickymasterWork, you too, last chance to whine about the staging site, will start the process later today
[10:14]  * slickymasterWork is no whiner :P
[10:14] <knome> :P
[10:14] <slickymasterWork> and won't start now
[10:14] <knome> sorry, winer :P
[10:14] <slickymasterWork> I already told you knome that I liked it
[10:14] <knome> i know
[10:15] <slickymasterWork> so no whining from this side
[10:15] <knome> but it's always different when i threat clients with "now i'm going to push it to production"
[10:15] <knome> they always find things to nag about then
[10:15] <knome> that's why i've started doing fake calls for pushing :P
[10:15] <slickymasterWork> you have my thumbs up
[10:16] <slickymasterWork> not sure if you noted knome, but I pushed a small change to the opening paragraph of the index yesterday 
[10:17] <elfy> mmm - so I've got like about 25 things to whine about that
[10:17] <knome> elfy, go ahead ;))
[10:17] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy 
[10:17] <elfy> :)
[10:17] <knome> slickymasterWork, nope, but good good :P
[10:17] <knome> elfy, even if you had... this would be a good time to tell them
[10:17] <knome> elfy, i changed the menu arrows a bit today
[10:18] <elfy> knome: I can tell
[10:18] <knome> not much and the logic/feature is still the same
[10:18] <knome> except it also has one more logic error fixed :D
[10:19] <knome> but i'm off for some real work now
[10:20] <elfy> :)
[10:20] <knome> will read the rants when i'm back
[10:20] <knome> -->
[10:37] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - ok then - all trusty images tested, I'm good to mark ready if you 2 are
[10:37] <elfy> next thing ... release notes for it
[10:38] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy, I'm still testing :P
[10:38] <elfy> :)
[10:53] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, Are you available?
[10:53] <ochosi> @work, so only so-so
[10:53] <meetingology> ochosi: Error: "work," is not a valid command.
[10:54] <ochosi> good point, meetingology :)
[10:54] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, I see you add Ubiquity panel compatibility to greybird.
[10:54] <ochosi> oh right, that
[10:55] <ochosi> well that's only a very trivial patch to show a custom background on ubiquity's panel
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> Which required a new image, right? Anything else?
[10:55] <ochosi> that is if you use/show that panel
[10:55] <ochosi> (although i think you should, mostly xfwm4/xfce was exempt of showing it)
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, So I do use the ubiquity-dm and it's panel.
[10:55] <ochosi> it's a new image-bg and you also need to patch ubiquity
[10:55] <ochosi> lemme dig up my patch (it's really trivial)
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> By default, the ubiquity panel is themed like Ambiance.
[10:56] <ochosi> there you go: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/ubiquity/xubuntu-panel-bg/+merge/247001
[10:56] <ochosi> yes, indeed
[10:56] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, Thanks very much.
[10:57] <ochosi> n
[10:57] <ochosi> np
[10:57] <ochosi> elfy: almost there, i'll do a quick smoketest for 14.04.2 myself in a few
[10:58] <elfy> \o/
[11:19] <ochosi> phew, zsync finally finished
[11:19] <ochosi> brb
[11:21] <bluesabre> elfy: a-ok from me
[11:25]  * ochosi already boots the vm
[11:25] <ochosi> can't take much longer i guess
[11:26] <ochosi> elfy: the black bg on the try/install ubiquity screen is still expected in 14.04.2?
[11:28] <elfy> afaik - certainly not seen that any different since last year
[11:28] <ochosi> guess we could've backported the fix from vivid, then again...
[11:28] <ochosi> it's not really that crucial
[11:28] <elfy> yep
[11:29] <ochosi> ok, live-session looks good.
[11:29] <elfy> :)
[11:29] <ochosi> certainly a good start :)
[11:30] <elfy> :D
[11:30] <elfy> better than 2 weeks ago for sure :p
[11:30] <ochosi> knome: even a year later, i still like the trusty wp, nice work on that one
[11:32] <elfy> bluesabre: by any chance got a list of fixes that made it back to trusty since .1  for the release notes?
[11:34] <bluesabre> not a good one, several of our updates got stopped because they introduced a flurry of new bugs
[11:35] <ochosi> "14.04.2 Release notes: This release contains *moar fixes*."
[11:37] <bluesabre> looks like this one is in -updates
[11:37] <bluesabre> xfdesktop4 (4.11.8-0ubuntu0.1)
[11:38] <bluesabre>   * New upstream development and bugfix release (LP: #1365965)
[11:38] <bluesabre>   * debian/patches/xubuntu_set-accountsservice-user-bg.patch: update
[11:38] <bluesabre>     patch to only update on first workspace filename change
[11:38] <bluesabre>  -- Sean Davis <smd.seandavis@gmail.com>  Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:53:04 -0400
[11:38] <bluesabre> xubuntu-default-settings (14.04.6) trusty; urgency=medium
[11:38] <bluesabre>   [ Bruno Nova ]
[11:38] <bluesabre>   * etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[11:38] <bluesabre>   - Add Settings submenu to main menu to make launchers in the Settings
[11:38] <bluesabre>     category appear in Whisker menu (LP: #1310264)
[11:39] <bluesabre>  -- Sebastien Bacher <seb128@ubuntu.com>  Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:19:10 +0100
[11:40] <elfy> I've got draft .2 started on x.org - running off for a bit to do some things before the day runs away 
[11:40] <elfy> bluesabre: thanks for ^^ 
[11:41] <bluesabre> going through http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/allpackages to see if there is anything else since .1
[11:41] <ochosi> elfy: ok, smoketest completed, looks fine to me!
[11:44] <bluesabre> xfce4-weather-plugin (0.8.3-1ubuntu0.1) trusty; urgency=medium
[11:44] <bluesabre>   * Add patches from upstream git to use locationforcast-1.2 (LP: #1377612)
[11:44] <bluesabre>  -- Sean Davis <smd.seandavis@gmail.com>  Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:12:57 -0400
[11:45] <bluesabre> the usual firefox, thunderbird updates
[11:45] <elfy> ochosi: ta - I assume that's an ack to mark ready :)
[11:45] <ochosi> yup
[11:46] <bluesabre> xchat (did we ship that for trusty?), pidgin both have had security updates (POODLE, etc)
[11:46] <bluesabre> that seems to be it
[11:46] <elfy> ok thanks :) 
[11:46] <ochosi> brb
[11:46] <elfy> biab
[11:47] <bluesabre> byob
[12:02] <knome> ochosi, mhm, it's better than utopic...
[12:07] <knome> now for some stretching and then preparing the website push...
[12:09] <knome> FINALLY
[12:09] <ochosi> indeed
[12:10] <bluesabre> :D
[12:10] <bluesabre> :D :D
[12:10] <bluesabre> :D :D :D
[12:11] <knome> ochosi, one question
[12:11] <knome> ochosi, in the screenshots page, do you prefer the current order, or would you like to see the page content before the screenshots?
[12:52] <bluesabre> Unit193: how long does it take for germinate to recognize a new package?
[12:52] <bluesabre> ? Unknown desktop package: lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
[12:53] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:53] <ochosi> ttyl
[12:57] <knome> ochosi, did you see my question?
[12:59] <ochosi> knome: sorry, was distracted with other stuff
[12:59] <ochosi> do you have some links for me? (current vs proposed)
[13:00] <knome> no, i only have the current style
[13:00] <knome> and it's on the staging site :P
[13:00] <knome> which i apparently just broke
[13:00] <ochosi> just wanted to say, i don't see anything there :D
[13:01] <elfy> best version ever 
[13:04] <knome> yes
[13:10] <elfy> 94 tests reported for trusty .2 :)
[13:12] <knome> nice
[13:14] <ochosi> awesome
[15:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: Has to get out of -proposed.
[15:53] <slickymasterWork> elfy, can you try to reproduce and confirm bug 1423602
[15:55] <ochosi> apart from theming issues, this works surprisingly well... http://www.webupd8.org/2015/02/use-global-menu-in-xubuntu-or-linux.html
[15:55] <ochosi> (i know sean already linked it in -ot)
[15:56] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/theme/revision/57
[16:03] <elfy> slickymasterWork: is pkexec even in trusty? 
[16:03] <elfy> was it not brought in during utopic?
[16:03] <slickymasterWork> yes, it was 
[16:03] <slickymasterWork> damn
[16:04] <slickymasterWork> I have way to many virtual boxes
[16:04] <elfy> :D
[16:04] <knome> elfy, did you see the latest header bg?
[16:04] <elfy> try it here I've got a bunch of those open and I'm trying to work kvm out too 
[16:04]  * slickymasterWork as to clean up is virtual environment 
[16:04] <knome> elfy, ^ it's pushed now so no complaints, but for the laughs :P
[16:05] <elfy> knome: not sure what I should be seeing here :)
[16:05] <knome> elfy, make sure you double refresh
[16:06] <knome> elfy, once you're done, you should see blueish blues
[16:06] <knome> elfy, instead of cyanish blues
[16:06] <elfy> in staging?
[16:06] <knome> elfy, and some lines instead of blurred spots
[16:06] <knome> yapp
[16:06] <Unit193> So 4 new po files, lost fr and picked up de.
[16:06] <Akusari> hello! I hope the release day was or is still successful :-)
[16:07] <elfy> knome: I see a slightly darker triangle at right top
[16:07] <knome> elfy, yes, that must be it ;)
[16:07] <elfy> :)
[16:07] <elfy> Akusari: on going ... 
[16:08] <knome> are you sure it's a triangular triangle?
[16:08] <knome> ...
[16:08] <elfy> well it's got three angles ... 
[16:08] <knome> what if the rest are hiding?
[16:08] <elfy> then they're doing an awesome job :D
[16:08] <knome> they actually are ;)
[16:09] <knome> yep
[16:18] <Unit193> Hm.  We'll actually need to poke the wallpaper before release because of UIF.
[16:18] <knome> yes.. how so? :)
[16:22] <elfy> right - going to try and crack out the basic release note so that someone else can make it pretty and friendly 
[16:31] <slickymasterWork> knome, the finnish strings that presently are having issues with the whitespaces within tags -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10310226
[16:32] <knome> because <placeholder-1/> ?
[16:33] <elfy> ochosi knome : draft release notes at x.org now should be ok - obviously not got download links yet
[16:33] <ochosi> elfy: awesome! thanks a lot for taking care of that
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> can't say exactly why knome. There's also issues with ? </guilabel>
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> ? </guimenuitem>
[16:35] <knome> why would there be?
[16:35] <elfy> ochosi: welcome ofc
[16:35] <knome> that's completely normal
[16:35] <slickymasterWork> duno
[16:35] <knome> well get your act togerther before you tell me my strings are broken ;)
[16:43] <qwebirc645608> knome, why do we have those extra spaces in between tags in the first place?
[16:44] <knome> which tags?
[16:44] <qwebirc645608> is it something forced by DocBook markup?
[16:44] <knome> the space between the placeholders and the text after that is intentional
[16:44] <qwebirc645608> this for example ->  <filename><placeholder-1/> /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/</filename>
[16:44] <qwebirc645608> can you explaine me the reason?
[16:44] <knome> it makes the space between the icon (placeholder) and the text part sane
[16:44] <qwebirc645608> -e 
[16:45] <knome> we could do that even without that space in the markup, but now that it is like it is...
[16:45] <knome> one whitespace is meaningful
[16:45] <qwebirc645608> hmmm, ok
[16:45] <knome> as long as it's outside tags
[16:59] <slickymasterWork> es.po presently has 7 strings with invalid markup -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10310596/
[17:00] <slickymasterWork> fr.po presently has 1 string with invalid markup -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10310613/
[17:00] <slickymasterWork> knome: ^^
[17:00] <slickymasterWork> I think of downloading those two correct the markup and upload them back
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> any argues with that?
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> s/I/I'm
[17:15] <elfy> ochosi: we going to do wiki release notes? there should be the common bugs list available for that
[17:16]  * ochosi shrugs
[17:16] <ochosi> why not
[17:17] <elfy> I'll see if there's a .1 to base off
[17:18] <ochosi> cool cool
[17:36] <Unit193> Right, so merge "needs information"...
[17:36] <Unit193> I'm having an elfy moment.
[17:39] <ochosi> you could discuss it with bdmurray directly on irc as well
[17:40]  * ochosi wasn't aware that "having an elfy moment" was a thing
[17:40] <elfy> lol
[17:41] <elfy> ochosi: re wiki release note - seems we just linked to the main 14.04 one
[17:43] <Unit193> It's not, I'm just bad.
[17:44] <elfy> mmm
[17:44] <elfy> so an elfy moment is being bad :(
[17:50] <ochosi> lol
[17:50] <ochosi> poor elfy
[17:50]  * ochosi pats elfy on the head
[17:51] <ochosi> elfy: i'm fine with doing that again...
[17:51] <ochosi> (and now that you mention it i remember)
[17:52] <elfy> though ... i'm going to try running something for infinity which drags common bugs and fixes - so it may be worth doing a .2 page
[17:52] <elfy> .1 was really the first release 
[17:53] <knome> everybody interested, RT ticket 26131 for the website process
[17:53] <knome> ochosi, pleia2: you're CC'd on the website push ticket
[17:54] <ochosi> elfy: ok, that's totally fine as well
[17:54] <elfy> knome: thanks - I'll add it to my list of 100 rt tickets :p
[20:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: You may have to poke someone about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings to get it to migrate so you can update -meta before the end of the day.
[21:01] <andrzejr> Is there any way to push unity guys to release their stuff? I wanted to use a "libido" library but the latest released version is 12.10: https://launchpad.net/ido/12.10/12.10.2
[21:01] <andrzejr> there were quite a few unreleased versions since
[21:01] <knome> andrzejr, if there is, it's not whining in this channel ;)
[21:02] <andrzejr> Is this intentional? I mean, are they trying to make this framework Ubuntu only?
[21:02] <knome> no idea, you really should talk with them
[21:03] <andrzejr> It is not whining - I'm seriously considering using this lib but I need to know what is their development plan
[21:05] <Unit193> Honestly, it does kind of seem like they only want that stuff in house. :P
[21:05] <knome> you won't find unity developers here though, so what's the agenda?
[21:05] <elfy> got some r/l for a while - draft notes on x.org and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr.2/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu drafted
[21:05] <Unit193> andrzejr: They all hang out in #ubuntu-desktop.
[21:06] <andrzejr> thanks Unit193 
[21:06] <Unit193> andrzejr: Good luck, you're going to need it.
[21:09] <elfy> and there's not an Ubuntu general known issue page, but there is a change summary for .2 if we want to <<include>> that 
[21:09] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/14.04.2
[21:14] <jjfrv8> elfy, looks like both 32 and 64-bit versions of today's vivid daily have the missing try/install problem.
[21:14] <jjfrv8> in vbox, that is
[21:15] <elfy> ok thanks, not had time to even think about those today :)
[21:16] <elfy> going to set up kvm - seems that we'd get more traction if can reproduce in there 
[21:16] <elfy> tomorrow's task ;)
[21:20] <Unit193> qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -boot d -m 2048 -cdrom 'openbox-desktop-14.04-amd64.iso' -localtime
[21:21] <elfy> Unit193: I managed to get it half set up - then it kept whining about disk space - I want it to use space on other drives 
[21:21] <elfy> be tomorrow - got r/l walking up the road now :)
[21:37] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193 http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/19/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t16:59
[21:37] <slickymaster> just so you know
[21:38] <knome> no complaints
[21:38] <slickymaster> ack knome 
[21:40] <Unit193> Okay..
[21:47] <ochosi> andrzejr: i think tedg and larsu (re: libido and libindicator) are in a european timezone, but if you want i can ping them tomorrow about this
[21:50] <andrzejr> ochosi, thanks, that would be helpful. I've sent an email to charles and asked the question on #ubuntu-desktop. Since the license of ido is compatible (lgpl 2) it may be possible to simply distribute a couple of files with the plugin.
[21:51] <ochosi> sure, no problem!
[21:52] <ochosi> andrzejr: btw, if you and eric (and maybe even matias) really plan to work on the pulseaudio plugin, i can sit down and draw some serious mockups
[21:53] <andrzejr> is eric interested? I haven't heard from him about it.
[21:53] <Unit193> Check users ml.
[21:54] <ochosi> yeah, he and matias both replied there
[21:54] <ochosi> and in fact it's true that the xfpm plugin uses a similar layout
[21:54] <ochosi> so it shouldn't be too hard to port that over
[21:55] <ochosi> then again, i still think it'd be ideal to start doing that in gtk3
[21:55] <ochosi> so that the xfpm plugin can benefit too
[21:57] <andrzejr> yup, xfpm menu is a good start.
[22:04] <jjfrv8> ochosi, having a little trouble getting things to look right in latest vivid version: http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/xfwm.php
[22:04] <jjfrv8> I've got all these settings: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds-xfdesktop
[22:04] <jjfrv8> has something changed with the recent packages?
[22:04] <ochosi> yeah, that looks ok
[22:06] <slickymaster> yeah, but jjfrv8 is right, that's completely different from what we always use
[22:06] <ochosi> the window border theme has
[22:08] <ochosi> i don't think other things should have
[22:09] <jjfrv8> so you're saying go with it like shown?
[22:09] <ochosi> i'd say so, but lemme quickly check in #xfce-dev
[22:12] <ochosi> jjfrv8: ok, suggestion: we start out without the screenshots and i'll come up with a strategy tomorrow
[22:12] <jjfrv8> wfm
[22:12] <ochosi> it's possible we'll go for something completely different
[22:12] <ochosi> e.g. adwaita or greybird
[22:13] <ochosi> nobody really uses the xfce themes anyway...
[22:13] <ochosi> so the "reference factor" seems low
[22:13] <jjfrv8> ok
[22:22] <Unit193> bluesabre: Weren't you going to commit something to the seed before EOD today?
[22:41] <bluesabre> Unit193: just got home
[22:41] <Unit193> Good for youuuuu./
[22:41] <Unit193> Did you have a nice drive? :D
[22:43] <bluesabre> nice carpool
[22:43] <bluesabre> freaking cold though
[22:43] <Unit193> Temp: 2 F (-17 C) ~ Partly Cloudy ~ Windchill: -12 F (-24 C) ~ Humidity: 63% ~ Alert: Wind Chill Advisory, Wind Chill Warning
[22:43] <Unit193> Yeeeeep.
[22:46] <Unit193> Hah, infinity's comments on -release. :D
[22:47] <knome> wat?
 bluesabre: I'm mildly entertained that the only translation that contains is Russian. :)
[22:48] <knome> what then?
[22:48] <knome> cia-handbook?
[22:48] <bluesabre> lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
[22:48] <knome> :)
[22:48] <bluesabre> which is an alternate to cia-handbook
[22:48] <bluesabre> provide the same binaries
[22:49] <ochosi> haha
[22:49] <knome> point me to the translation interfaceeeh
[22:49] <knome> i'll tap it in today, so infinity can be more entertained 
[22:51] <bluesabre> https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
[22:51] <knome> tat-tara
[22:51] <ochosi> knome: you mean infinity lulz?
[22:51] <knome> ochosi, DA
[22:51] <bluesabre> saw the awesome news that translations should no longer timeout all the time
[22:52] <ochosi> hah, for realz?
[22:53] <bluesabre> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2015-February/006773.html
[22:56] <elfy> evening bluesabre 
[22:56] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[22:57] <elfy> and the rest too of course :)
[22:57] <bluesabre> getting to relax a bit now?
[22:57] <elfy> kind of 
[22:59] <elfy> bluesabre: doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/14.04.2 wasn't particularly relaxing given that the script to get info from launchpad did what you'd expect 
[22:59] <elfy> timeout a lot ... 
[23:00] <slickymaster> yeah bluesabre, for those translating in LP, with Rosetta, those constant time-outs are/were a real pain in the neck
[23:01] <bluesabre> lp = "later please"
[23:01] <ochosi> lol
[23:01] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[23:01] <ochosi> nice one
[23:01] <ochosi> i'll remember that
[23:01] <knome> hmm, i could come up with other acronyms
[23:01] <knome> but i'll keep them to myself
[23:01] <knome> :P
[23:01] <elfy> ok - so now that we've got links has anyone done the release notes? and posted it? 
[23:01] <knome> no
[23:01]  * knome hides
[23:04] <elfy> can someone check over http://xubuntu.org/?p=2951&preview=true then please :)
[23:05] <elfy> or http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=2951&action=edit
[23:05]  * knome checks and at the same time, hopes the new theme would be up already
[23:05] <knome> looks good to me
[23:06]  * knome remembers the download links should be updated
[23:07] <knome> elfy, tell me when you've posted and i'll hit the update button on the download page
[23:09] <bluesabre> looks good to me as well
[23:10] <elfy> bluesabre: has lock - can post it :)
[23:10] <bluesabre> crud
[23:10] <ochosi> looks good to me too
[23:10]  * bluesabre lets go of lock
[23:10] <ochosi> even trustier tahr
[23:11] <elfy> bluesabre: GO !!!
[23:11] <knome> thrustier :P
[23:11] <elfy> then tell knome :)
[23:11]  * bluesabre cannot publish
[23:11] <bluesabre> only submit for review
[23:11] <knome> bwaha
[23:11] <elfy> published then
[23:11] <knome> updated
[23:11] <elfy> knome: I published it :p
[23:11] <knome> too late
[23:11] <knome> :(
[23:11] <elfy> bah
[23:12] <elfy> blame slickymaster 
[23:12] <bluesabre> #undo
[23:12] <slickymaster> wtf elfy !?!
[23:12] <elfy> hi slickymaster :D
[23:12] <knome> slickymaster, tut tut, watch the language
[23:12] <slickymaster> it's in your mind only knome :P
[23:12] <slickymaster> ñot in mine's
[23:12] <slickymaster> WhatTheFunk
[23:13] <knome> slickymaster, señor coconut is steady now.
[23:13] <slickymaster> lol
[23:13] <elfy> oh buggar
[23:13]  * bluesabre keeps hitting update until "? Unknown desktop package: lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings" goes away
[23:13] <knome> :D 
[23:17] <elfy> fiddled about with some wiki and x.org info so it's current 
[23:17] <knome> for all you good people who worked on 14.04.2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kJJXqihboE
[23:18] <bluesabre> better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF5C04CB-VQ
[23:18] <knome> bluesabre, you are trolling me :(
[23:18] <slickymaster> lmao bluesabre 
[23:19] <bluesabre> knome: surely not
[23:33] <Unit193> Eh, I'd look into updating thunar, but so many LP bugs. :3
[23:34] <bluesabre> >.<
[23:35] <Unit193> No really, '40 new', and this seems to be a bugfix release. :/
[23:35] <bluesabre> yeesh
[23:36] <elfy> oh noes :(
[23:36] <elfy> indicator-sound update :|
[23:36] <Unit193> Oh gee.
[23:36] <bluesabre> hiiiiiide
[23:37] <elfy> sigh
[23:39] <elfy> and it's broken it ... 
[23:39] <elfy> pavucontrol won't start from there
[23:39] <Unit193> Really? >_<
[23:39] <elfy> yep
[23:42] <Unit193> So, might be time to check out xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin afterall...
[23:42] <elfy> so how can I mark bug 1423752 as a regression?
[23:43] <ochosi> hmpf
[23:43] <ochosi> great
[23:44] <ochosi> i'll check tomorrow and fix it then i guess :/
[23:44] <elfy> how can it be you? 
[23:44] <ochosi> what?
[23:44] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#line-152
[23:45] <elfy> lol - talking about different things I hope then ochosi :)
[23:45] <bluesabre> Unit193: look good? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xubuntu-meta/vivid/revision/217
[23:45] <Unit193> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/198208378/indicator-sound_12.10.2%2B15.04.20150205-0ubuntu1_12.10.2%2B15.04.20150219.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[23:45] <elfy> knome: thanks :)
[23:45] <ochosi> elfy: didn't you say the most recent update for indicator-sound broke the pavucotnrol link?
[23:46] <elfy> ochosi: yes - but I blame Ubuntu for that :)
[23:46] <Unit193> krytarik: Look, should be happy now. :P
[23:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Aye!
[23:46] <knome> deja vu...
[23:46] <ochosi> elfy: me too, but as i said, i'll look into tomorrow
[23:47] <ochosi> can't be too hard to fix that part
[23:47] <knome> ochosi, famous last words...
[23:47] <ochosi> hehe
[23:47] <elfy> tagged it 
[23:47] <ochosi> elfy: add it to v-bugs too please
[23:47] <elfy> ochosi: okey doke
[23:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, thanks for removing that file.
[23:48] <bluesabre> Unit193: noticed it was still lingering around :)
[23:49] <Unit193> Seed looks good too.
[23:49] <krytarik> Unit193, bluesabre: light-locker is still in desktop recommends now. though.
[23:50] <Unit193> krytarik: As it should be.
[23:50] <ochosi> nice, it's FF and the features blueprint is almost complete
[23:50] <Unit193> krytarik: Just the double xubuntu-core isn't.
[23:50] <ochosi> great work folks!
[23:50] <elfy> :)
[23:52] <krytarik> Unit193: Wasn't it planned to *move* it to -core, rather than just *add* it? The last paste also indicated otherwise.
[23:53] <Unit193> krytarik: At this point, you can't "move" anything to the core, since desktop is a layer atop of it.  Also note that this is the meta refresh, not the seed commit.
[23:53] <krytarik> The seeds are fine though indeed.