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leviathaank03:38
mappshey all04:30
leviathaanhi mapps04:43
mapps:D04:45
mappssup04:45
mappsa new night owl?04:45
mappsdot recall you at these hours04:45
mappsD04:45
mapps;D04:45
leviathaanyeah, i just installed mirc :-)04:46
mappsah04:59
mappshowcome youre up so late04:59
mappsusiong ubuntu on a diff machine?04:59
leviathaani'm considering starting my own msp and doing some research on the net05:17
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knightwisehuzzah!07:30
zmoylan-piit's a friday?07:52
knightwiseyo zmoylan-pi07:57
zmoylan-picelebrating friday knightwise?07:58
knightwisehmmm08:00
knightwisecried victory too soon08:00
knightwiseworking with alpine and trying to figure out how to use multiple accounts08:01
knightwisei thought , i'll be smart and created 3 different .pinerc files , one for each account08:01
knightwisethen I would launch Alpine -p .pinerc1 to use the first account .pinerc2 for the second08:02
knightwisebasically launching multiple instances of pine with different config files08:02
zmoylan-pii tried alpine but could never make it work with gmail following instructions for some reason08:02
knightwiseworks great except when I want to send out emails , alpine keeps complaining the sent-mail folder exist08:03
MooDoomorning all08:04
knightwisehey MooDoo08:11
knightwise5 minutes to the first meeting of the day08:25
knightwiseI need cooooffeeeee08:25
* knightwise is going to enslave a brazillian java farmer to grow him coffee08:25
zmoylan-pisurely the plan should be for the java farmer to grow you coffee. otherwise it's just a captive audience when you grow the coffee08:46
awilkinsOh ho ho ho, the NSA / GCHQ pinched the private keys from a large SIM manufacturer09:02
awilkinsEveryone install Zfone!09:02
awilkinsOr silent circle or whatever09:03
zmoylan-piswitch to self destructing pigeons rfc114909:05
knightwisezmoylan-pi: details details09:10
knightwisehmm.. me need to fix alpine problem09:11
davmor2morning all09:14
knightwisehey davmor209:14
knightwisethere :)09:58
knightwisealpine beaten into submission :)09:58
zmoylan-pibad email client, bad! :-)10:00
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy Love Your Pet Day! :-D10:04
knightwisezmoylan-pi: got it working now. 3 different .pinerc config files for my 3 email accounts10:06
knightwisestarting up 3 different sessions of pine in screen10:06
knightwisealpine i mean10:06
knightwiseso everything is nicely seperated10:06
zmoylan-piwhatever works works10:06
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:07
knightwisehey brobostigon10:08
knightwisezmoylan-pi: now i just need to seperate the 3 signature files.10:08
brobostigonhey knightwise10:08
knightwiseI was looking to see if its possible to include an html signature in Alpine10:08
knightwisethen i'll export the ones i'm using in the Gmail webclient10:08
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davmor2JamesTait: a pet is not just for christmas it should last through to new years :)10:32
JamesTaitdavmor2, as long as you carve it right. ;)10:33
davmor2JamesTait: technically shouldn't everyday be love your pet day :)10:33
JamesTaitdavmor2, why yes, yes it should.10:33
JamesTaitBut the same could be said of Good Manners Day, or Eat Bacon Day.10:34
davmor2JamesTait: no eating bacon everyday makes it less special :)10:35
awilkinsCombine Love Your Pet and Eat Bacon Day by keeping pigs as pets!10:35
JamesTaitBacon is *always* special.10:35
zmoylan-pieat bacon day... would stop bed hogging on the nhs when everyone dies at 60...10:35
JamesTaitDon't listen to the nasty man, bacon, he doesn't know what he's talking about.10:35
awilkinsEver wonder why the right-wingers are all against voluntary euthanasia?10:36
* zmoylan-pi loves bacon but bacon every day would not end well10:36
awilkinsBecause dying like that, slowly rotting in a hospital bed, is really expensive - lots of profits to be made.10:36
* davmor2 thinks JamesTait has a dog called bacon10:36
awilkinsBacon is less fatty than sausage10:36
zmoylan-pii always thought it was because their offspring would fake their signature to inherit early10:36
awilkinszmoylan-pi, This is why we need to hurry along the legal acceptance of cryptographic signatures10:37
zmoylan-pifat is this week... ::shakes magic 8 ball:: off the bad list10:37
awilkinsSugar is the enemy10:37
JamesTaitdavmor2, I have five cats and two cheeky little monkeys. That's more than enough.10:37
zmoylan-piand the wildlife that lives on 5 cats and 2 monkeys...10:38
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)10:38
davmor2bigcalm: how do10:38
JamesTaitbigcalm, o/10:38
bigcalmdavmor2: would you believe "over worked"?10:39
awilkinszmoylan-pi, If your offspring hates you enough to kill you for your money... maybe you're just not a very nice person. Oh, right, we WERE talking about right-wing conservatives ;-)10:39
davmor2bigcalm: No10:39
bigcalm:P10:39
zmoylan-piin victorian times arsenic was nicknamed inheritance powder...10:41
awilkinsYou'd think it would actually sit right in with Conservative ideals - if your value as a respected elder and source of counsel is so small that mere money is more valuable, well then, that surely, is the market deciding.10:44
arsen...must fix that regex10:44
zmoylan-picoffee time, with a penguin bar...11:01
awilkinsThose penguin bars.11:13
zmoylan-pithey were on special 18 for the price of 911:13
awilkinsCan't see your way clear to getting a cold one for all the expectant fathers balancing the egg on their feet.11:14
zmoylan-piyou wonder how they worked out how to do that11:15
bigcalmpopey: RAT tickets were waiting for me when I got home last night. They are now in the ticket storage compartment of our kitchen letter rack11:26
popey\o/11:26
* popey looks up11:26
popeyyup, mine is still on the wall11:26
bigcalm:D11:27
bigcalmPhotos please!11:27
popeybigcalm: http://imgur.com/dQphlcg11:36
bigcalmHehe, that'll do :)11:38
bigcalmI have a habit of writing on the envelop what's in it and the date it happens11:39
popeyi have one ticket for one thing11:39
bigcalmWill you remember the date?11:39
bigcalm!rat | popey11:40
lubotu3popey: rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 19th September 2015 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/3040-real-ale-train-2015/11:40
bigcalmTeehee11:40
zmoylan-pido they have ruby on rails classes there? :-)11:41
popeyi have a calendar to tell me the date11:42
popeyand you, using the bot every day too :)11:42
davmor2popey: I just think bigcalm gets off on abusing the bot to be honest :D11:47
popeyyeah11:47
* bigcalm giggles to himself11:47
zmoylan-picome the robot rebellion...11:47
bigcalmWhen organising an event, I feel the need to publicise it11:48
bigcalmWe have 11 bods now. I'll stand down11:48
davmor2bigcalm: you've killed 11 people /me dials 99911:53
zmoylan-pithey're not dead they're merely recovering from last rat...11:54
bigcalmdavmor2: try 0118 999 881 999 119 725311:54
* zmoylan-pi hums the catchy tune to that number11:55
* popey spams it around other irc channels11:55
bigcalmpopey: the RAT or the new emergency number?11:55
popeyyes11:56
bigcalmI knew it11:57
leviathaanhi there12:10
leviathaanwhich are the best uk job sites?12:11
awilkinsFor computronic jobs?12:11
awilkinsI usually look at www.cwjobs.co.uk12:11
leviathaanyes12:11
awilkinsMy experience is probably not helpful though12:11
awilkinsI work in a very specialized niche and I change jobs approximately every 5 years12:12
awilkinsBut that's where I look, when I'm annoyed with my current posting and am thinking of moving elsewhere.. :-)12:13
leviathaan:)12:13
popeyi used to use jobserve.com heavily12:15
bigcalmpopey: I'm seeing yet more names on the list that I do not know. What have you done?!12:15
popeysuch as?12:15
bigcalmRobert Leverington & Dominic Cleal12:17
bigcalmSorry if you guys are in here. I just don't know you by your real names :)12:17
popeythey're in surrey lug12:18
bigcalmThere's also a couple of names from earlier in the list that I don't know12:18
bigcalmElfy & Steve Mynott12:18
bigcalmHas AlanBell dropped off the earth?12:19
zmoylan-pidamn that intermittent gravity?12:23
awilkinsYou can't drop without gravity12:37
zmoylan-pibut if earths gravity were intermittent and the suns wasn't...12:38
awilkinsthen the whole planet would be accelerated evenly12:40
awilkinsIncluding things on it12:40
davmor2then the whole planet would probably be sucked into the sun12:41
awilkinsWell... TBH, Earth's gravity is not what keeps it away from the Sun12:42
awilkinsIt's velocity is12:42
awilkinsGravity is a property of mass, so if it failed... this would be a result of the Earth being massless... so it would fly off into space12:43
awilkinsAnd we'd all freeze to death12:43
awilkinsAnd it would all be AlanBell's fault.12:43
zmoylan-pii live in ireland, nothing would change about the temperature :-)12:43
awilkinsWhen the hail is actually small chunks of dry ice you'll change your tune!12:44
zmoylan-piit might dry things up a little...12:44
zmoylan-piwe'd welcome it :-)12:44
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knightwiseListening to a guy who mixed together alan parsons Pipeline with a marvin gaye song.. Bril-i-ant12:57
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awilkinsJamesTait, it actually seems to be Creepy Surveillance Day : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-3151048514:02
zmoylan-pistart taking pics of every public servant police, mps etc. and putting them in online database for public access and see how it goes...14:05
awilkinsThis is the reason for the new passport photo requirements, of course14:08
diploIt is all a bit ut oh isn't it :)14:08
awilkinsLeeds station is all decked out in cameras ideally placed for face reco14:08
zmoylan-piget big face obscuring glasses14:09
zmoylan-piadd a few leds to a baseball cap14:09
awilkinsSuddenly my habitual wearing of a hat with a wide brim when travelling has another excellent purpose besides sleeping under it on a train14:09
zmoylan-piand build your preadator cloaking device... :-)14:09
awilkinsYeah, stick a bunch of IR LEDs on and it's not even visible to the fleshbots14:09
zmoylan-pijust get the bee keeper hat and be done... :-)14:10
zmoylan-piof course the crazy level of spying stops crimes like it stopped the ira for instance...14:11
diddledanevening all14:12
awilkinsIt's mental14:12
* diddledan reads-up14:12
zmoylan-piand it's not going to stop or even slow down till someone puts the boot in on the intelligence agencies14:12
awilkinsIf it generates even a small percentage of false positives, law enforcement will spend all their time harrassing people for no reason14:12
zmoylan-piso no difference there then14:12
awilkinsAlthough the video did want to tie in the gait recognition and earlobe (!) reco14:12
zmoylan-piwell scotland yard had earprint records before finger print records iirc14:13
awilkinsI guess if you combine multiple biometric methods and they all have small false positive rates...14:13
zmoylan-pithing is they're trying to automate intelligence. when we can't even achieve that with educating people :-)14:14
bashrcI don't really care about face recognition. Data retention and metadata gives away far more details about you than cameras in the street. The problems with accurately recognising people in the street automatically from camera images are formidable14:15
diddledansomething's wonky with the video - or my gfx card14:15
diddledanprolly the driver update that windows 10 downloaded last night14:16
* awilkins shows diddledan the door for using Windows to connect to an Ubuntu channel14:16
davmor2diddledan: ah I see your problem there "Windows 10"14:17
zmoylan-piit is casual friday...14:18
zmoylan-pislumming it friday is pushing it a little however :-)14:18
knightwisezmoylan-pi: Hobo is the new Hipster14:20
diddledanremote iris recog is scary - imagine the tech being able to recognise irises like the minority report advert machines14:20
zmoylan-pipolarised glasses for privacy nuts \o/14:21
shaunohot pokers for privacy nuts!14:22
diddledanroasted privacy nuts on an open fire?14:23
MrIndeedhow can i sort my ubuntu panel indicators and how can i change the keyboard layout to flags?14:40
awilkinsPanel indicators : don't think there is a sort order as such. Keyboard layout indicators : you'd have to patch it with flag icons. I'm guessing the present set of icons were chosen because the style of the notifier bar is consciously monochrome14:42
MrIndeedi looked it up and found you can do both14:43
MrIndeedjust need help14:43
diddledanchina ddos'd dilbert?14:46
diddledanhttp://blog.dilbert.com/post/110911836486/ddos-attack-on-dilbert-com14:46
zmoylan-pior all the winxp compromised systems in china ddosed dilbert14:47
zmoylan-pipity the great china firewall didn't stop that14:48
diddledanthe question is why would anyone want to ddos dilbert?!14:48
diddledanwhat do they gain from such?14:48
zmoylan-pisnoopy?14:48
zmoylan-pigarfield?14:48
davmor2diddledan: they are trying to depress the west so they are easier to conquer14:52
diddledandavmor2, 1 in 4 people are already depressed in the west so it's not gonna take much to get the rest of you14:52
diddledan(I'm one of those 1 in 4)14:52
zmoylan-pii remember reading a story about wwii and how the japanese not understanding americans thought mickey mouse was great cultural icon to the americans.  they suggest a battle cry of 'mickey mouse is a rat!'14:54
diddledanlol14:54
zmoylan-pistill not as bad as what happened when a department store after the war in japan was told by head office to open a santas grotto for the kids on the american base nearby. they asked what a santas grotto was.14:55
zmoylan-piso head office said it was a christian holiday thing and sent a pic of santa.  so they nailed santa to a giant cruifix.  those little cross cultural mixups :-)14:56
diddledanlol14:56
diddledangreat fun14:56
diddledanthat would be hilarious14:57
awilkinsAwesome, reminds me of that joke in Enemy Mine where the alien says "Mickey Mouse is a big stupid dope!"14:57
zmoylan-piwhen an american general crash landed in wwii in dublin mountains his plane was quicky reached by an irish army unit training nearby.  an irish speaking unit.  the general is famously recorded as saying 'those guys sure know their codes' :-D14:58
davmor2Man Metallica is great testing Music15:14
zmoylan-pitesting to see when your cubicle neighbour snaps?15:15
knightwiseI think Crazy Frog is tehe best testing music15:19
davmor2you don't have to mad to test here but it helps15:19
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awilkins`kill` seems to be aliased on Ubuntu16:40
awilkinstried kill -L to list the signals16:40
awilkinsDoesn't like it16:40
awilkins/bin/kill -L works16:40
awilkinsAh, it's bash builtin16:41
diddledanI don't get why bash builds-in so many standard tools16:42
brobostigonbbc2, 23:10, 2001: a space odyssey. :)16:42
diddledanlike [ is a builtin16:42
diddledanas is [[16:42
diddledanboth of those are standard executable files in /bin also16:43
diddledanbrobostigon, \o/16:43
brobostigon:)16:43
diddledanwatching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5G_t-gUBc some weird behaviours16:45
diddledanI don't understand how he acheives it tho but it's fun16:54
zmoylan-pii prefer 2010 but mostly for the more understandable plot :-)17:06
zmoylan-piand fingers crossed they get around to 2061 and 300117:06
awilkinsThe best reason to use the HTML5 player on YouTube : it doesn't leave fullscreen mode when it loses focus HOORAY17:21
diddledanawilkins, I believe html5 is default now?17:21
awilkinsI still have to enable it17:22
diddledanit's no good, I've got to go and buy chocolate18:09
m0nkey_It's no good, I have to go buy a new CPU, motherboard, memory and SSD.18:17
diddledan:-)18:17
m0nkey_PC is about 2/6th built.18:18
* Laney stabs virgin media18:19
Laneyjust give me a human18:19
m0nkey_If it's still a virgin, maybe you should write to your media?18:20
m0nkey_sorry, that was a bad diddledan type joke18:22
Laneythey've got a very active background noise cancellation system18:22
diddledanteehee :-p18:22
diddledanLaney, it's cancelling the foreground, too?18:23
m0nkey_Laney, like somebody tuning in a radio?18:23
Laneyit does indeed cancel the foreground18:24
m0nkey_Their VoIP system is probably doing some crappy bit rate conversion18:24
Laneyit's trying to mask out the sound of the call centre18:24
DJonesHeh, have to laugh at this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960791/Commuter-swears-man-way-interview-man-recruiter.html?ito=social-facebook18:43
DJonesApply for a job as a web developer, tell the interviewer where to go on the tube (without realising who it was) then turn up for an interviewer with person they'd earlier told where to go18:45
DJones-er18:45
diddledan\o/ NSA+GCHQ FTW! https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/20:17
diddledanhaving trouble, awilkins_ ?20:28
awilkins_Cretinous daughter forgot the pass-swipe for her tablet20:30
awilkins_Tablet didn't know my new SSID20:30
diddledanpattern-lock?20:30
awilkins_Had to change SSID so I could do a Google login to recover it20:30
diddledaneep20:30
awilkins_THen I "cracked" her pass-swipe anyway20:31
diddledanlol20:31
awilkins_She had a perfectly good 11 digit pin on it20:32
awilkins_Which she could remember20:32
diddledanthat's an impressive pin20:32
awilkins_But because I knew it she changes it to a swipe *different* to the one on her phone and promptly forgets it20:32
diddledanmost folk (myself included) just stick with 420:32
awilkins_It's got a text mnemonic behnid it20:33
diddledanaah20:33
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* diddledan does some hobbies as ordered by willcooke20:34
diddledanI love them hobbies20:34
diddledanhobbies is Teh awesome20:34
diddledan(capital T on Teh becuase I can't be bothered to tell hexchat to not autocorrect :-p)20:35
diddledanfixed.20:35
diddledanteh20:35
diddledan\o/20:35
grebulusevening all20:56
grebulusJust wondering if this was god for an Ubuntu dev. ? http://ebay.eu/1DBCajQ20:56
grebulus**good, chrickey20:57
awilkinsLooks a nice enough machine20:58
awilkins4GB of RAM will be enough for most things but I'd prefer 820:58
awilkinsBut you can get SODIMMS cheap20:59
grebuluscheers, think i'll get it as on ubuntu-on-air they all use thnkpads.20:59
diddledan4GB won't be enough if you're in the habbit of running any VMs20:59
awilkinsI like Levonos build quality20:59
awilkinsGood solid casing20:59
awilkinsShame about the adware, but you'll be installing Ubuuntu on it :-)20:59
grebulusyes, prettty much.21:00
awilkinsHardware usually well supported on Linux, being Intel stylee21:00
grebulustired of trying to get a distroshare.com on me chromebook.21:01
awilkinsAnd you can flip the Fn and Ctrl keys in the bios21:01
awilkins(stupid nonstandard keyboard layouts *spit*)21:01
awilkinsIt has the nice bevel edge keys instead of the stupid chiclets on the newer ones too21:01
grebulusright, but i'll be using another usb keyboard ofcourse.21:02
grebulusjust hope it doesn't go over £200.21:03
m0nkey_wtf, when did the synergy project start charging?21:08
awilkinsDo they actually charge, or are they just pestering?21:08
awilkinsI know they've started to be *really* annoying21:08
awilkinsI donated and they spam me a lot21:09
m0nkey_http://synergy-project.org/ .. find me a download link21:09
awilkinsHmmph21:09
awilkinsSource is on GIthub21:10
awilkinsThey don't technically have to provide you with binaries21:10
diddledanhttps://synergy-project.org/nightly for CI builds21:10
m0nkey_I know that, but I currently don't have a build environment for windows21:10
awilkins^ link above21:10
m0nkey_ta21:12
diddledanm0nkey_, I can email it to you if you want the stable version21:12
m0nkey_diddledan, i'd appreciate that21:12
diddledan64bit?21:12
m0nkey_I found binaries for 1.3.121:12
m0nkey_yeah21:12
awilkinsThe main annoyance I always had was it not being compatible with the one in teh Debian repo  (because it was old)21:13
awilkinsTBH the old builds work fine21:14
awilkinsNot sure what value the esteemed Nick Bolton really adds to the thing21:14
diddledanapparently there's him and another guy who are claiming the funds as full-time employment?21:15
awilkinsYeah, can't comment on the economics of it but that's the picture (they probably do other work too)21:16
diddledan1.4.18 can be gained from http://synergy-project.org/download/free/21:17
awilkins1.6.2 is in the Debian repo21:18
awilkinsYou need the same minor version for the protocol to work21:18
awilkinsOh wait21:18
awilkinsSorry, that's the getdeb version21:18
awilkinsTrusty and Utopic are on 1.4.1221:19
awilkinsSo will probably work with that version without further tinkering21:19
awilkinsPrefer QuickSynergy as a UI for it21:19
m0nkey_it's working21:19
awilkinshuzzah21:20
m0nkey_now just to get it to launch and start listening at login21:20
m0nkey_thanks again diddledan!21:20
diddledanno probs21:21
grebulusyay I won ! looks like I'm a developer now, then.21:28
diddledanyou won?21:28
awilkinsAuction on Lenovo lappy21:28
diddledanaah21:29
m0nkey_lol21:30
m0nkey_It seems a bit fishy to me21:30
grebulusstill came to slightly under 200 with postage. :-)21:31
grebulusjust no returns, posted .. but can always sell locally, i guess.21:32
grebulusmaybe i will.21:32
grebulusin time.21:32
grebulus*shall21:33

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