[03:38] <leviathaan> k
[04:30] <mapps> hey all
[04:43] <leviathaan> hi mapps
[04:45] <mapps> :D
[04:45] <mapps> sup
[04:45] <mapps> a new night owl?
[04:45] <mapps> dot recall you at these hours
[04:45] <mapps> D
[04:45] <mapps> ;D
[04:46] <leviathaan> yeah, i just installed mirc :-)
[04:59] <mapps> ah
[04:59] <mapps> howcome youre up so late
[04:59] <mapps> usiong ubuntu on a diff machine?
[05:17] <leviathaan> i'm considering starting my own msp and doing some research on the net
[07:30] <knightwise> huzzah!
[07:52] <zmoylan-pi> it's a friday?
[07:57] <knightwise> yo zmoylan-pi
[07:58] <zmoylan-pi> celebrating friday knightwise?
[08:00] <knightwise> hmmm
[08:00] <knightwise> cried victory too soon
[08:01] <knightwise> working with alpine and trying to figure out how to use multiple accounts
[08:01] <knightwise> i thought , i'll be smart and created 3 different .pinerc files , one for each account
[08:02] <knightwise> then I would launch Alpine -p .pinerc1 to use the first account .pinerc2 for the second
[08:02] <knightwise> basically launching multiple instances of pine with different config files
[08:02] <zmoylan-pi> i tried alpine but could never make it work with gmail following instructions for some reason
[08:03] <knightwise> works great except when I want to send out emails , alpine keeps complaining the sent-mail folder exist
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:11] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[08:25] <knightwise> 5 minutes to the first meeting of the day
[08:25] <knightwise> I need cooooffeeeee
[08:25]  * knightwise is going to enslave a brazillian java farmer to grow him coffee
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> surely the plan should be for the java farmer to grow you coffee. otherwise it's just a captive audience when you grow the coffee
[09:02] <awilkins> Oh ho ho ho, the NSA / GCHQ pinched the private keys from a large SIM manufacturer
[09:02] <awilkins> Everyone install Zfone!
[09:03] <awilkins> Or silent circle or whatever
[09:05] <zmoylan-pi> switch to self destructing pigeons rfc1149
[09:10] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: details details
[09:11] <knightwise> hmm.. me need to fix alpine problem
[09:14] <davmor2> morning all
[09:14] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[09:58] <knightwise> there :)
[09:58] <knightwise> alpine beaten into submission :)
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> bad email client, bad! :-)
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Love Your Pet Day! :-D
[10:06] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: got it working now. 3 different .pinerc config files for my 3 email accounts
[10:06] <knightwise> starting up 3 different sessions of pine in screen
[10:06] <knightwise> alpine i mean
[10:06] <knightwise> so everything is nicely seperated
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> whatever works works
[10:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:08] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[10:08] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: now i just need to seperate the 3 signature files.
[10:08] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[10:08] <knightwise> I was looking to see if its possible to include an html signature in Alpine
[10:08] <knightwise> then i'll export the ones i'm using in the Gmail webclient
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: a pet is not just for christmas it should last through to new years :)
[10:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, as long as you carve it right. ;)
[10:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: technically shouldn't everyday be love your pet day :)
[10:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, why yes, yes it should.
[10:34] <JamesTait> But the same could be said of Good Manners Day, or Eat Bacon Day.
[10:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: no eating bacon everyday makes it less special :)
[10:35] <awilkins> Combine Love Your Pet and Eat Bacon Day by keeping pigs as pets!
[10:35] <JamesTait> Bacon is *always* special.
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> eat bacon day... would stop bed hogging on the nhs when everyone dies at 60...
[10:35] <JamesTait> Don't listen to the nasty man, bacon, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
[10:36] <awilkins> Ever wonder why the right-wingers are all against voluntary euthanasia?
[10:36]  * zmoylan-pi loves bacon but bacon every day would not end well
[10:36] <awilkins> Because dying like that, slowly rotting in a hospital bed, is really expensive - lots of profits to be made.
[10:36]  * davmor2 thinks JamesTait has a dog called bacon
[10:36] <awilkins> Bacon is less fatty than sausage
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> i always thought it was because their offspring would fake their signature to inherit early
[10:37] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, This is why we need to hurry along the legal acceptance of cryptographic signatures
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> fat is this week... ::shakes magic 8 ball:: off the bad list
[10:37] <awilkins> Sugar is the enemy
[10:37] <JamesTait> davmor2, I have five cats and two cheeky little monkeys. That's more than enough.
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> and the wildlife that lives on 5 cats and 2 monkeys...
[10:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: how do
[10:38] <JamesTait> bigcalm, o/
[10:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: would you believe "over worked"?
[10:39] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, If your offspring hates you enough to kill you for your money... maybe you're just not a very nice person. Oh, right, we WERE talking about right-wing conservatives ;-)
[10:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: No
[10:39] <bigcalm> :P
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> in victorian times arsenic was nicknamed inheritance powder...
[10:44] <awilkins> You'd think it would actually sit right in with Conservative ideals - if your value as a respected elder and source of counsel is so small that mere money is more valuable, well then, that surely, is the market deciding.
[10:44] <arsen> ...must fix that regex
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> coffee time, with a penguin bar...
[11:13] <awilkins> Those penguin bars.
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> they were on special 18 for the price of 9
[11:14] <awilkins> Can't see your way clear to getting a cold one for all the expectant fathers balancing the egg on their feet.
[11:15] <zmoylan-pi> you wonder how they worked out how to do that
[11:26] <bigcalm> popey: RAT tickets were waiting for me when I got home last night. They are now in the ticket storage compartment of our kitchen letter rack
[11:26] <popey> \o/
[11:26]  * popey looks up
[11:26] <popey> yup, mine is still on the wall
[11:27] <bigcalm> :D
[11:27] <bigcalm> Photos please!
[11:36] <popey> bigcalm: http://imgur.com/dQphlcg
[11:38] <bigcalm> Hehe, that'll do :)
[11:39] <bigcalm> I have a habit of writing on the envelop what's in it and the date it happens
[11:39] <popey> i have one ticket for one thing
[11:39] <bigcalm> Will you remember the date?
[11:40] <bigcalm> !rat | popey
[11:40] <bigcalm> Teehee
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> do they have ruby on rails classes there? :-)
[11:42] <popey> i have a calendar to tell me the date
[11:42] <popey> and you, using the bot every day too :)
[11:47] <davmor2> popey: I just think bigcalm gets off on abusing the bot to be honest :D
[11:47] <popey> yeah
[11:47]  * bigcalm giggles to himself
[11:47] <zmoylan-pi> come the robot rebellion...
[11:48] <bigcalm> When organising an event, I feel the need to publicise it
[11:48] <bigcalm> We have 11 bods now. I'll stand down
[11:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: you've killed 11 people /me dials 999
[11:54] <zmoylan-pi> they're not dead they're merely recovering from last rat...
[11:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: try 0118 999 881 999 119 7253
[11:55]  * zmoylan-pi hums the catchy tune to that number
[11:55]  * popey spams it around other irc channels
[11:55] <bigcalm> popey: the RAT or the new emergency number?
[11:56] <popey> yes
[11:57] <bigcalm> I knew it
[12:10] <leviathaan> hi there
[12:11] <leviathaan> which are the best uk job sites?
[12:11] <awilkins> For computronic jobs?
[12:11] <awilkins> I usually look at www.cwjobs.co.uk
[12:11] <leviathaan> yes
[12:11] <awilkins> My experience is probably not helpful though
[12:12] <awilkins> I work in a very specialized niche and I change jobs approximately every 5 years
[12:13] <awilkins> But that's where I look, when I'm annoyed with my current posting and am thinking of moving elsewhere.. :-)
[12:13] <leviathaan> :)
[12:15] <popey> i used to use jobserve.com heavily
[12:15] <bigcalm> popey: I'm seeing yet more names on the list that I do not know. What have you done?!
[12:15] <popey> such as?
[12:17] <bigcalm> Robert Leverington & Dominic Cleal
[12:17] <bigcalm> Sorry if you guys are in here. I just don't know you by your real names :)
[12:18] <popey> they're in surrey lug
[12:18] <bigcalm> There's also a couple of names from earlier in the list that I don't know
[12:18] <bigcalm> Elfy & Steve Mynott
[12:19] <bigcalm> Has AlanBell dropped off the earth?
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> damn that intermittent gravity?
[12:37] <awilkins> You can't drop without gravity
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> but if earths gravity were intermittent and the suns wasn't...
[12:40] <awilkins> then the whole planet would be accelerated evenly
[12:40] <awilkins> Including things on it
[12:41] <davmor2> then the whole planet would probably be sucked into the sun
[12:42] <awilkins> Well... TBH, Earth's gravity is not what keeps it away from the Sun
[12:42] <awilkins> It's velocity is
[12:43] <awilkins> Gravity is a property of mass, so if it failed... this would be a result of the Earth being massless... so it would fly off into space
[12:43] <awilkins> And we'd all freeze to death
[12:43] <awilkins> And it would all be AlanBell's fault.
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> i live in ireland, nothing would change about the temperature :-)
[12:44] <awilkins> When the hail is actually small chunks of dry ice you'll change your tune!
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> it might dry things up a little...
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> we'd welcome it :-)
[12:57] <knightwise> Listening to a guy who mixed together alan parsons Pipeline with a marvin gaye song.. Bril-i-ant
[14:02] <awilkins> JamesTait, it actually seems to be Creepy Surveillance Day : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31510485
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> start taking pics of every public servant police, mps etc. and putting them in online database for public access and see how it goes...
[14:08] <awilkins> This is the reason for the new passport photo requirements, of course
[14:08] <diplo> It is all a bit ut oh isn't it :)
[14:08] <awilkins> Leeds station is all decked out in cameras ideally placed for face reco
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> get big face obscuring glasses
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> add a few leds to a baseball cap
[14:09] <awilkins> Suddenly my habitual wearing of a hat with a wide brim when travelling has another excellent purpose besides sleeping under it on a train
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> and build your preadator cloaking device... :-)
[14:09] <awilkins> Yeah, stick a bunch of IR LEDs on and it's not even visible to the fleshbots
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> just get the bee keeper hat and be done... :-)
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> of course the crazy level of spying stops crimes like it stopped the ira for instance...
[14:12] <diddledan> evening all
[14:12] <awilkins> It's mental
[14:12]  * diddledan reads-up
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> and it's not going to stop or even slow down till someone puts the boot in on the intelligence agencies
[14:12] <awilkins> If it generates even a small percentage of false positives, law enforcement will spend all their time harrassing people for no reason
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> so no difference there then
[14:12] <awilkins> Although the video did want to tie in the gait recognition and earlobe (!) reco
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> well scotland yard had earprint records before finger print records iirc
[14:13] <awilkins> I guess if you combine multiple biometric methods and they all have small false positive rates...
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> thing is they're trying to automate intelligence. when we can't even achieve that with educating people :-)
[14:15] <bashrc> I don't really care about face recognition. Data retention and metadata gives away far more details about you than cameras in the street. The problems with accurately recognising people in the street automatically from camera images are formidable
[14:15] <diddledan> something's wonky with the video - or my gfx card
[14:16] <diddledan> prolly the driver update that windows 10 downloaded last night
[14:16]  * awilkins shows diddledan the door for using Windows to connect to an Ubuntu channel
[14:17] <davmor2> diddledan: ah I see your problem there "Windows 10"
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> it is casual friday...
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> slumming it friday is pushing it a little however :-)
[14:20] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: Hobo is the new Hipster
[14:20] <diddledan> remote iris recog is scary - imagine the tech being able to recognise irises like the minority report advert machines
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> polarised glasses for privacy nuts \o/
[14:22] <shauno> hot pokers for privacy nuts!
[14:23] <diddledan> roasted privacy nuts on an open fire?
[14:40] <MrIndeed> how can i sort my ubuntu panel indicators and how can i change the keyboard layout to flags?
[14:42] <awilkins> Panel indicators : don't think there is a sort order as such. Keyboard layout indicators : you'd have to patch it with flag icons. I'm guessing the present set of icons were chosen because the style of the notifier bar is consciously monochrome
[14:43] <MrIndeed> i looked it up and found you can do both
[14:43] <MrIndeed> just need help
[14:46] <diddledan> china ddos'd dilbert?
[14:46] <diddledan> http://blog.dilbert.com/post/110911836486/ddos-attack-on-dilbert-com
[14:47] <zmoylan-pi> or all the winxp compromised systems in china ddosed dilbert
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> pity the great china firewall didn't stop that
[14:48] <diddledan> the question is why would anyone want to ddos dilbert?!
[14:48] <diddledan> what do they gain from such?
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> snoopy?
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> garfield?
[14:52] <davmor2> diddledan: they are trying to depress the west so they are easier to conquer
[14:52] <diddledan> davmor2, 1 in 4 people are already depressed in the west so it's not gonna take much to get the rest of you
[14:52] <diddledan> (I'm one of those 1 in 4)
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> i remember reading a story about wwii and how the japanese not understanding americans thought mickey mouse was great cultural icon to the americans.  they suggest a battle cry of 'mickey mouse is a rat!'
[14:54] <diddledan> lol
[14:55] <zmoylan-pi> still not as bad as what happened when a department store after the war in japan was told by head office to open a santas grotto for the kids on the american base nearby. they asked what a santas grotto was.
[14:56] <zmoylan-pi> so head office said it was a christian holiday thing and sent a pic of santa.  so they nailed santa to a giant cruifix.  those little cross cultural mixups :-)
[14:56] <diddledan> lol
[14:56] <diddledan> great fun
[14:57] <diddledan> that would be hilarious
[14:57] <awilkins> Awesome, reminds me of that joke in Enemy Mine where the alien says "Mickey Mouse is a big stupid dope!"
[14:58] <zmoylan-pi> when an american general crash landed in wwii in dublin mountains his plane was quicky reached by an irish army unit training nearby.  an irish speaking unit.  the general is famously recorded as saying 'those guys sure know their codes' :-D
[15:14] <davmor2> Man Metallica is great testing Music
[15:15] <zmoylan-pi> testing to see when your cubicle neighbour snaps?
[15:19] <knightwise> I think Crazy Frog is tehe best testing music
[15:19] <davmor2> you don't have to mad to test here but it helps
[16:40] <awilkins> `kill` seems to be aliased on Ubuntu
[16:40] <awilkins> tried kill -L to list the signals
[16:40] <awilkins> Doesn't like it
[16:40] <awilkins> /bin/kill -L works
[16:41] <awilkins> Ah, it's bash builtin
[16:42] <diddledan> I don't get why bash builds-in so many standard tools
[16:42] <brobostigon> bbc2, 23:10, 2001: a space odyssey. :)
[16:42] <diddledan> like [ is a builtin
[16:42] <diddledan> as is [[
[16:43] <diddledan> both of those are standard executable files in /bin also
[16:43] <diddledan> brobostigon, \o/
[16:43] <brobostigon> :)
[16:45] <diddledan> watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5G_t-gUBc some weird behaviours
[16:54] <diddledan> I don't understand how he acheives it tho but it's fun
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> i prefer 2010 but mostly for the more understandable plot :-)
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> and fingers crossed they get around to 2061 and 3001
[17:21] <awilkins> The best reason to use the HTML5 player on YouTube : it doesn't leave fullscreen mode when it loses focus HOORAY
[17:21] <diddledan> awilkins, I believe html5 is default now?
[17:22] <awilkins> I still have to enable it
[18:09] <diddledan> it's no good, I've got to go and buy chocolate
[18:17] <m0nkey_> It's no good, I have to go buy a new CPU, motherboard, memory and SSD.
[18:17] <diddledan> :-)
[18:18] <m0nkey_> PC is about 2/6th built.
[18:19]  * Laney stabs virgin media
[18:19] <Laney> just give me a human
[18:20] <m0nkey_> If it's still a virgin, maybe you should write to your media?
[18:22] <m0nkey_> sorry, that was a bad diddledan type joke
[18:22] <Laney> they've got a very active background noise cancellation system
[18:22] <diddledan> teehee :-p
[18:23] <diddledan> Laney, it's cancelling the foreground, too?
[18:23] <m0nkey_> Laney, like somebody tuning in a radio?
[18:24] <Laney> it does indeed cancel the foreground
[18:24] <m0nkey_> Their VoIP system is probably doing some crappy bit rate conversion
[18:24] <Laney> it's trying to mask out the sound of the call centre
[18:43] <DJones> Heh, have to laugh at this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960791/Commuter-swears-man-way-interview-man-recruiter.html?ito=social-facebook
[18:45] <DJones> Apply for a job as a web developer, tell the interviewer where to go on the tube (without realising who it was) then turn up for an interviewer with person they'd earlier told where to go
[18:45] <DJones> -er
[20:17] <diddledan> \o/ NSA+GCHQ FTW! https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/
[20:28] <diddledan> having trouble, awilkins_ ?
[20:30] <awilkins_> Cretinous daughter forgot the pass-swipe for her tablet
[20:30] <awilkins_> Tablet didn't know my new SSID
[20:30] <diddledan> pattern-lock?
[20:30] <awilkins_> Had to change SSID so I could do a Google login to recover it
[20:30] <diddledan> eep
[20:31] <awilkins_> THen I "cracked" her pass-swipe anyway
[20:31] <diddledan> lol
[20:32] <awilkins_> She had a perfectly good 11 digit pin on it
[20:32] <awilkins_> Which she could remember
[20:32] <diddledan> that's an impressive pin
[20:32] <awilkins_> But because I knew it she changes it to a swipe *different* to the one on her phone and promptly forgets it
[20:32] <diddledan> most folk (myself included) just stick with 4
[20:33] <awilkins_> It's got a text mnemonic behnid it
[20:33] <diddledan> aah
[20:34]  * diddledan does some hobbies as ordered by willcooke
[20:34] <diddledan> I love them hobbies
[20:34] <diddledan> hobbies is Teh awesome
[20:35] <diddledan> (capital T on Teh becuase I can't be bothered to tell hexchat to not autocorrect :-p)
[20:35] <diddledan> fixed.
[20:35] <diddledan> teh
[20:35] <diddledan> \o/
[20:56] <grebulus> evening all
[20:56] <grebulus> Just wondering if this was god for an Ubuntu dev. ? http://ebay.eu/1DBCajQ
[20:57] <grebulus> **good, chrickey
[20:58] <awilkins> Looks a nice enough machine
[20:58] <awilkins> 4GB of RAM will be enough for most things but I'd prefer 8
[20:59] <awilkins> But you can get SODIMMS cheap
[20:59] <grebulus> cheers, think i'll get it as on ubuntu-on-air they all use thnkpads.
[20:59] <diddledan> 4GB won't be enough if you're in the habbit of running any VMs
[20:59] <awilkins> I like Levonos build quality
[20:59] <awilkins> Good solid casing
[20:59] <awilkins> Shame about the adware, but you'll be installing Ubuuntu on it :-)
[21:00] <grebulus> yes, prettty much.
[21:00] <awilkins> Hardware usually well supported on Linux, being Intel stylee
[21:01] <grebulus> tired of trying to get a distroshare.com on me chromebook.
[21:01] <awilkins> And you can flip the Fn and Ctrl keys in the bios
[21:01] <awilkins> (stupid nonstandard keyboard layouts *spit*)
[21:01] <awilkins> It has the nice bevel edge keys instead of the stupid chiclets on the newer ones too
[21:02] <grebulus> right, but i'll be using another usb keyboard ofcourse.
[21:03] <grebulus> just hope it doesn't go over £200.
[21:08] <m0nkey_> wtf, when did the synergy project start charging?
[21:08] <awilkins> Do they actually charge, or are they just pestering?
[21:08] <awilkins> I know they've started to be *really* annoying
[21:09] <awilkins> I donated and they spam me a lot
[21:09] <m0nkey_> http://synergy-project.org/ .. find me a download link
[21:09] <awilkins> Hmmph
[21:10] <awilkins> Source is on GIthub
[21:10] <awilkins> They don't technically have to provide you with binaries
[21:10] <diddledan> https://synergy-project.org/nightly for CI builds
[21:10] <m0nkey_> I know that, but I currently don't have a build environment for windows
[21:10] <awilkins> ^ link above
[21:12] <m0nkey_> ta
[21:12] <diddledan> m0nkey_, I can email it to you if you want the stable version
[21:12] <m0nkey_> diddledan, i'd appreciate that
[21:12] <diddledan> 64bit?
[21:12] <m0nkey_> I found binaries for 1.3.1
[21:12] <m0nkey_> yeah
[21:13] <awilkins> The main annoyance I always had was it not being compatible with the one in teh Debian repo  (because it was old)
[21:14] <awilkins> TBH the old builds work fine
[21:14] <awilkins> Not sure what value the esteemed Nick Bolton really adds to the thing
[21:15] <diddledan> apparently there's him and another guy who are claiming the funds as full-time employment?
[21:16] <awilkins> Yeah, can't comment on the economics of it but that's the picture (they probably do other work too)
[21:17] <diddledan> 1.4.18 can be gained from http://synergy-project.org/download/free/
[21:18] <awilkins> 1.6.2 is in the Debian repo
[21:18] <awilkins> You need the same minor version for the protocol to work
[21:18] <awilkins> Oh wait
[21:18] <awilkins> Sorry, that's the getdeb version
[21:19] <awilkins> Trusty and Utopic are on 1.4.12
[21:19] <awilkins> So will probably work with that version without further tinkering
[21:19] <awilkins> Prefer QuickSynergy as a UI for it
[21:19] <m0nkey_> it's working
[21:20] <awilkins> huzzah
[21:20] <m0nkey_> now just to get it to launch and start listening at login
[21:20] <m0nkey_> thanks again diddledan!
[21:21] <diddledan> no probs
[21:28] <grebulus> yay I won ! looks like I'm a developer now, then.
[21:28] <diddledan> you won?
[21:28] <awilkins> Auction on Lenovo lappy
[21:29] <diddledan> aah
[21:30] <m0nkey_> lol
[21:30] <m0nkey_> It seems a bit fishy to me
[21:31] <grebulus> still came to slightly under 200 with postage. :-)
[21:32] <grebulus> just no returns, posted .. but can always sell locally, i guess.
[21:32] <grebulus> maybe i will.
[21:32] <grebulus> in time.
[21:33] <grebulus> *shall