[05:19] morning all [05:35] ai! [05:41] * Kilos wonders if there was method in pro's madness [06:07] Morning everyone [06:11] hi mazal [06:13] inetpro: you around ? [06:14] Oom Kilos , I started to do that re-install an that external , gonna try and fit it in during the day between work [06:14] But something I need to know about that seperate /boot partition [06:15] you going to do the install from the lappy? [06:15] No , installing on one of my machine here at work , then will test on lappy tonight at home [06:15] sjoe [06:16] what do you need to know about the /boot [06:16] hi Xethron [06:16] I was wondering , that is a small partition ( made mine 450mb now ) , but won't that fill up quickly when kernels update ? Doesn't the kernel lie there ? [06:17] no [06:17] ok kewl [06:17] where are you putting the /boot [06:18] Kilos: The plan is , do the whole install and updates today. Then tonight I will plug it into lappy , and do that update grub you teached me to add it again on lappy's internal drive , reboor and test [06:18] That /boot is a partition on the drive [06:18] Small partition on it's own [06:18] i always make seperate partitions [06:19] / /boot and /home [06:19] I was just worried with it being so small that it will fill up quickly then I can't boot ( google suggested 250mb ) [06:20] When I installed , 250mb wasn't big enough , it asked for 368mb , then I made it 450mb [06:20] i make mine 2g always but i think its always under 500m that gets used [06:21] i dont know what the pro was planning with you\ [06:22] he knows better [06:23] download this thing and put it on a cd http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ [06:23] handy to have when drivges wont boot [06:23] it can actually boot into the system [06:26] I have had that somewhere many moons ago [06:27] lol [06:27] Messed up one of my drives though [06:27] Never used it again [06:27] ai! [06:27] It was at least 5 years ago , can't even remember what happened [06:31] Ag nee , install finished , but now the updates is giving me issues [06:31] ai! [06:31] what issues [06:32] Looks like it's hanging and not downloading [06:32] But same line and router than this pc I am chatting on , and this one is fine [06:32] patience it will say something if it cant work [06:33] It's reporting 16k/s , instead of 200k/s :( [06:33] what repo? [06:33] **sigh** , why must I just be struggling with everything this month [06:33] shees [06:34] i use the neology repo, its always nice and fast [06:34] and up to date [07:21] all my bzr and nikola stuffs be broken [07:42] *yawn* [07:43] morning superfly [07:45] hi TinuvaMac [07:45] morning Kilos [07:45] how you doing on this fine friday [07:46] as normal just sukkeling alone [07:46] losing myself in all the things ive done wrong and trying to correct [07:46] that sounds very deep for a friday [07:47] and making chilli and garlic sauce so i can burn something open [08:00] good mornings [08:00] hi inetpro [08:01] * inetpro joins in the *yawning* [08:01] why is this stuff so contagious? [08:02] lol [08:05] inetpro: because, like me, you didn't have enough sleep last night? [08:07] hmm... maybe [08:07] funny thing is just that the moment I noticed your yawning I also had to do it [08:07] like being remote controlled [08:08] hi SDCDev [08:14] morning Kilos [08:20] Kilos update: Everything finished , updated , data put back and all. Now is just to plug into lappy tonight , do the update grub and test [08:22] yay lets hope mazal [08:22] but try boot directly from it first [08:22] I will [08:23] I really have hope for inetpro's plan , lots of logic in it [08:23] always logic in his madness [08:24] i just miss it most of the time [08:24] If I get that strange grub error , I will then do the update grub to get an entry for it on the internal and test that [08:24] ya [08:25] maaz tell inetpro Re-installation with seperate /boot (450mb) complete. Just plug in and test left tonight. Will give feedback [08:25] mazal: Righto, I'll tell inetpro on freenode [08:25] haha [08:25] mazal: even 100MB should be enough for /boot [08:25] inetpro: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell inetpro Re-installation with seperate /boot (450mb) complete. Just plug in and test left tonight. Will give feedback" 30 seconds ago [08:26] oh hi inetpro , didn't know you are here :) [08:26] inetpro: I had it at 250mb and installer refused. Wanted 368mb minimum [08:26] he is always here, just lurks most of the time [08:27] mazal: only thing I'm not sure about is whether the limitation is a drive limitation or a partition limitation [08:27] It's booting fine on pc here at work , updates done , just the test left tonight [08:27] think it might not even work [08:27] oi [08:27] We'll know tonight inetpro , if it doesn't work is ok , it is worth a try [08:28] think the limitation was something about INT13h-extensions [08:28] lets hope [08:29] Thanx for the help inetpro , I think you are spot on with that it might be a size issue. Now we must just wait to see if it is drive related or partition related [08:29] really old stuffs [08:30] must be old type hardware [08:30] Well I estimate the lappy at 4 years [08:30] if it is teh same problem [08:30] Bought it second hand , so don't know exact age. But seller estimated about 3 to 4 years. [08:31] mazal: you really don't have a small USB stick around? [08:31] Yeah I do inetpro , but it is here at work , didn't have it with me last night at home. This problem lappy is at home [08:31] Will take that home with me as well tonight [08:31] cool [08:32] And it already has a live ubuntu on it , so it's just plug in and test [08:32] and I know it works as I used it today to do the re-install [08:33] Only thing I see now , it's 16gig [08:33] I must search for a 4gig one , must be one here somehere and put live iso on 4gig one as well me thinks [08:34] mazal save you archives somewhere else [08:35] /var/cache/apt/archives [08:35] then if you need to reinstall tonight there is only the update data to fetch [08:39] Kilos: I don't think I will re-install again. If this doesn't work , then what else can I change that would require another re-install ? [08:40] And the lappy's internal has exactly the same OS. So I can use that archives if that need arrises [08:44] inetpro: http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c02030597 [08:44] Is that one ^^ [08:45] Mine is the i5 , 4gb RAM model. Still trying to find info about what year it was released [08:47] This page http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=c04141332 was created Sept. 2011. So ja , it looks like its about 3.5 years back. [08:49] mazal when all else fails the remove the lappy drive and install from dvd to the external directly [08:50] then it will sort whatever is causing your hassles imo [08:52] you can also turn off quiet splash so you can see what grub is doing [08:52] sudo nano /etc/default/grub [08:53] where you see "quiet splash" just delete the quiet splash between the " " [08:53] and you have to hash another line [08:55] sorry unhash GRUB_TERMINAL=console [08:55] then do sudo update-grub [08:55] on your external im talking about now while you have it working [09:04] Oom Kilos , tell me that again tonight , no way I will remember that :P [09:05] lol you must do it now in the running external [09:05] can only be done when running [09:18] hi magellanic [09:19] heya [09:19] mazal: perhaps an upgrade of the BIOS will also help [09:26] inetpro: I'm very scared of that. Don't trust myself with that [09:29] It looks like they have nice bios update software , but it's for Windoze :( [09:47] lol [09:48] Can't see another way , it looks like I will have to format it , get Win 7 on it just to update the bios [09:48] There comes the more re-installations Kilos :P [09:49] eish [09:50] I'm gonna have to drag my whole work toolkit home tonight , nevermind a stick [09:51] never mind, when you are done everything will work lekker [09:51] I think I'll image my laptop first though , and put image back when done. Otherwise I have to re-install it twice :( [09:52] But first I'm going to try the drive as is , that all might not be neccesary. [09:52] ya first things first [09:53] and one step at a time [09:53] hee hee [09:53] who does that sound like [09:53] And I wanted a nice quiet weekend [09:55] na quiet weekends are boring [09:57] ai [09:57] but its lekker when your system works fine and you can just battle with other things [09:58] Well let me put it this way. If I can get this thing working , it will solve a huge headache I have there. So if it works in the end , it will be worth it [09:58] Is a very important reason I need this external to boot on that laptop [09:58] yep [09:59] But I won't tell ANYBODY the reason because I will get slaped [10:00] * mazal updates his trello to-do list [10:00] And that list was nice and empty [10:01] lol [10:01] * mazal mumbels [10:01] trello is kinda lekker hey [10:01] yours is better than mine though [10:02] on mine the fly and pro can slap me [10:03] Maaz it doesnt work [10:03] Kilos: What? [10:03] Maaz it dont work [10:03] Kilos: Sorry... [10:03] hmm... [10:31] Oom Kilos: I have another Kubuntu question for you [10:31] you are flashing the bios to boot usb? [10:31] Updating it magellanic [10:32] Well , planning to anyway [10:32] it doesn't boot usb? [10:32] We suspect it can't handle the big drive [10:32] So things going to be tried , a. Small seperate /boot partition , b. update bios [10:33] magellanic: Nope , it refuses to boot my external that boot fine on two other pc's [10:33] Last night we double checked that grub is ok with some repair options , but it seems to rather be hardware related ( due to too big drive ) or something similar [10:34] possible. how far does it get? [10:34] crashes immediately [10:34] When booting straight from the drive I get a weird grub error about trying to read outside of hd0 [10:35] Then we added a grub entry for it on the laptop's internal drive , when booting from internal and selecting the external to boot it blank screen for 2 seconds and reboots [10:35] Then it doesn't even give grub error [10:36] yeah I was going to suggest the second option you tried there [10:36] hmm I see [10:36] So I re-installed it today , and made a seperate /boot partition of 450mb [10:36] ( it was only 1 big / partition ) [10:36] If that don't work either , then going to try and update bios [10:37] Problem with that though , it only has an app for Windoze to do that [10:37] So there comes lots of hassle [10:37] yeah I had similar issues updating a bios [10:37] I will have to first image laptop , install win 7 , update bios , put back image [10:38] So I rather hope that the smaller /boot partition does the trick [10:38] I really don't want to go that bios update route [10:38] Is a 1TB drive btw [10:38] agree, sounds too painful :D [10:38] very :P [10:39] BUT [10:39] thinking, grub tries to load stage 2, might be failing in stage 2 when booting off external, might be things you can do/try there [10:40] If I do get it to work , oh man a huge logistical problem would be solved at home [10:40] So am willing to go that bios root if I have to [10:41] Something else I am also gonna try is to boot from my live usb stick , just to confirm the size of drive theory [10:41] if you can, paste the grub error you get when booting from external [10:41] Unfortunately it was lying here at work last night , else I would have tested that already [10:42] It wa something along these lines : [10:42] error: Trying to read or write outside of 'hd0' [10:42] starting recovery mode [10:42] grub>_ [10:42] That's of the top of my head , not exactly that , but pretty close [10:43] and when booting from internal drive's grub and selecting the external's entry , no error , just black screen for 2 seconds and reboot [10:44] During that 2 second black screen I could see hdd light flickers , it tries to access it , but then reboots [10:45] try the smaller partition, sounds like it, from a quick search.. [10:45] Will do tonight [10:46] Don't have that lappy here at work [10:46] loadshedding permitting of course [10:49] oh yes, I better check the schedule too [10:49] magellanic youre an old ubuntu user, when are you applying for membership [10:49] we need more members [10:50] where do I apply, at the site? [10:50] lol its a major job [10:51] let me see what i can find [10:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership [10:52] mazal: one useful comment I saw, if you don't want to reinstall the external, is to shrink the partition within the limits, and then re-run the grub install stuff [10:52] depending on the size and use [10:53] Is ok , re-install is already done [10:53] re-installed , updated , tested , all done [10:54] Boots 100% fine on pc here. [10:54] cool [10:58] Ready for testing on the problem lappy hehehehe [11:20] Kilos: cool, looking at the membership requirements, I don't think I'm eligible though [11:21] well together we work on it, are you still registered as active on launchpad? [11:21] I would like a signed cert from Mark though :D [11:21] lol [11:22] no I'm not active on launchpad [11:22] oh my thats first then [11:22] just get your ~email there [11:24] did you let renewing slide? [11:24] will consider later for membership [11:24] no I was never a member [11:24] wow [11:25] https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/OpenID [11:25] maybe thats the wrong link [12:01] oom Kilos: I have another lekke question for you [12:04] ask mazal [12:05] sorry was outside3 [12:05] usb memory stick [12:05] ya [12:05] kde partition manager [12:05] format to fat32 [12:05] nee man [12:05] Tells me adding a label is not supported by this file system (fat32) [12:05] have you got disk utility running on unity somewhere [12:06] Same os , gparted , format fat32 and label [12:06] why ? [12:06] disk utility gives the option to format to mbr [12:06] it needs the mbr bvit added to make it bootable [12:06] bit [12:07] is just interesting why 2 different partition managers have different views on label for the same file system format [12:07] lol [12:07] you can format to fat32 but without the mbr it wont boot i think [12:07] hi drussell [12:08] If the file system format doesn't support it like kde partition manager states , then gparted must also not be able to do it , it's mos the not supported by file system [12:08] you can do it from cli as well but i dont know that [12:08] are you using kde now [12:09] Just something interesting , doesn't matter [12:09] you can try install gnome-disk-utility i think its called [12:09] Two software not agreeing about the same thing [12:10] when i format i label the size of the stick there [12:10] like 16G or 4G [12:10] and my external is ext [12:10] Yeah I also like to label , but kde partition manager refuse if it's fat32 , while gparted do it gladly hehehe [12:11] i gave up with kparted thing [12:11] hehehe , computers [12:11] ya [12:12] are you using unetbootin to make it [12:12] I think unity's "disks" app also label fat32 [12:12] If memory serves [12:12] or are you installing your os to it [12:13] No this is just a stick that I put av updates on every week [12:13] oh you dont want it bootable [12:13] ai! [12:13] So picked that up now when I formatted it [12:13] Every week used to get a different label [12:13] lol [12:13] Then kde pm said , no way boet , can't do that [12:14] ya i dont use it either [12:14] gparted is a wonderful tool even for moving and resizing drives [12:15] When I was still on unity the app was "disks" I think that I used. Is the default one anyway [12:16] now before they named it disks it was disk utility [12:16] So I finally found 2 little hickups in kde [12:16] thats where the free comes in, you are free to use what you prefer or what suites you best [12:17] Oh btw , I like Kubuntu so much , when I re-installed that external I put Kubuntu on that as well. So all 3 my ubuntu machines are Kubuntu now [12:17] lol [12:18] it is catchy once you get used to it [12:18] Indeed , and the hickups I've had so far is now where near major problems at all [12:18] no even [12:18] mine works perfectly [12:19] I think I must go home , bit tired today [12:19] its the other stuff i struggle with [12:19] haha you want to go play not sleep [12:19] Nah I must go sort out that external thing :( [12:19] see [12:19] First grocery shopping though [12:19] ah [12:20] oom that drive aint playing , that's sukkeling :P [12:20] haha but you are learning all the time [12:21] make notes of how probs get solved [12:21] The learning part is nice ya [12:25] lovely!!! [12:25] what inetpro ? [12:25] Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS has been released [12:25] :-) [12:25] lol [12:26] i thought you won the lotto or something [12:33] Ok guys , I'm off for now. Will return maybe later , hopefully with good news [13:41] oh my is the @confluency the same confluency that was here years ago? inetpro [13:44] superfly ^^ [13:45] probably [13:49] ty highvoltage [14:18] Kilos: where do you see confluency? [14:21] twitter [14:21] @confluency [14:22] adrianna [14:24] lol maybe i chased her calling her a guy [14:25] need to invite her back sometime now that we are getting more active again [14:25] inetpro: You're the man !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:26] mazal: it worked? [14:26] Drive boots perfectly with that small /boot :) [14:26] great, well done! [14:26] Thank you so much !!! [14:27] Kilos: ah [14:27] Kilos: get him back here [14:29] yay mazal [14:29] mazal: you're welcome [14:30] lol inetpro [14:30] you the tweeter [14:30] thats a stupid lappy that methinks [14:35] inetpro: And it works straight from booting directly from the external. I didn't need to do the grub on internal thing [14:35] lekker man [14:36] that really is how easy it should be [14:36] maybe we can do some bzr tonight [14:36] hehe [14:37] and if your usb port is fast as well it should fly without you even noticing the difference [14:38] I worked permanently like this for at least two years. Only worked on usb so that my OS went where I went. And never had any real performance issues [14:38] Only recently switched to internal [14:42] im happy for you mazal [14:42] now you can minetest with a happy heart [14:47] ook Kilos: You have no idea how reliefed I am this is working now :) [14:47] lol [14:48] now you can have your quiet weekend [14:49] yes !!!! :) [14:51] maybe learn some bzr [14:52] its really easy [14:52] haha [14:53] you just need a clegver mouse that knows what to copy/paste where [14:53] clever [15:54] Now I just need to get the wi-fi that keeps disconnecting fixed [16:42] hi kulelu88 [16:43] hi [16:55] confluency wb how are you? [16:56] HP Lovecraft [16:57] yeah was here all the time some years back [16:57] now i just gotta find hodgestar [17:01] hi captine [17:01] hi Kilos [17:02] 3 more nicks and we break a years old record [17:02] 4 actually [17:02] anyone here read the article where a KDE developer "predicts" pc-bsd to overtake linux [17:02] http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/15/02/16/2355236/pc-bsd-set-for-serious-growth [17:03] Kilos, ? nicks?? [17:03] peeps in the list of nicknames here [17:03] hi superfly [17:25] hi gremble [17:26] Hey Kilos [17:26] How is everyone doing? [17:26] we good ty [17:26] and you? [17:26] Excellent [17:26] Eh. Not too bad [17:26] Just busy [17:26] haha [17:42] evberyone is just too busy [17:42] every as well [17:42] Ya [17:42] I haven't been able to stop and rest yet this week. I don't think I will be able to get a chance this weekend either [18:18] wb mazal [18:19] ta [18:21] hi magellanic [18:21] good evening [18:21] hi magespawn too [18:21] indeed [18:21] lo magespawn [18:21] i need to remember double tab with you [18:22] hi mazal [18:22] Hey magespawn [18:22] now it is a double tab [18:22] I think Kilos just made an inadvertant zombieland reference [18:22] On hexchat now [18:22] howdy gremble [18:23] hah indeed, the ubuntu-za version [18:23] sjoe gremble whats that [18:23] It is a movie Kilos [18:23] A pretty good one, in my opinion [18:23] ah [18:23] About zombies, and still getting a shag when most of the human race is dead [18:24] i thought it was quite funny [18:24] sjoe [18:24] I liked it a lot [18:24]