[00:06] bluesabre, "Misc." is a crappy tab name fyi [00:06] knome btw - that final planet merge got done - so all finished now [00:06] \o/ [00:07] telling me ... [00:08] I read all but 400 lines of that ;) [00:08] hehe [00:08] congrats [00:08] i hope it was a good reading.... [00:08] awesome [00:08] but I'd only do it the once - no need to revisit :) [00:08] knome: not a project I created :) [00:09] bluesabre, still.. [00:09] elfy: just installed the latest update for indicator-sound, pavucontrol still opens... [00:09] with 12.10.2+15.04.20150219.1-0ubuntu1 [00:10] knome: but yeah, didn't have enough time to tweak the interface [00:10] seeing as how we landed it mere hours before FF [00:10] :) [00:10] ;) [00:10] ochosi: oh [00:10] really going to have to do that clean install ... [00:11] did you accidentally uninstall pavucontrol maybe? :) [00:11] nope [00:11] apart from anything it opened before I updated :) [00:11] bluesabre, define "User's" in multihead setup? [00:11] Misc. is mostly a11y [00:12] * bluesabre shrugs [00:12] * ochosi has no clue either [00:12] gotta love that [00:12] "user is"? [00:12] :P [00:13] Accepting string patches through the weekend for 1.1.1 [00:13] elfy: so what version do you have? [00:13] change front page of x.org to point to trusty.2 ? [00:14] ochosi: 12.10.2+15.04.20150219.1-0ubuntu1 [00:14] same :( [00:14] k [00:14] so maybe do that clean install and then let's revisit this thing [00:14] knome: so shall I change front page ? [00:14] points at .1 currently [00:14] elfy, sure [00:15] umm [00:15] broken it :( [00:16] sorry [00:16] i KNEW it! [00:16] lol, what's broken now? [00:16] ochosi, our website frontpage [00:17] elfy: so first you break indicator-sound and now this??! [00:17] :D [00:17] ok - so why if I restore previous it's still :| [00:17] elfy, release the lock, i'll fix it [00:17] should be released [00:17] yep [00:17] then I would love to know how it broke :) [00:17] bluesabre: quick question, is the latest greybird already uploaded? [00:18] elfy, done [00:18] elfy, the last "why" --> caching [00:18] ochosi: re clean install - yea - I'll do that tomorrow am [00:18] elfy: just be a scientist and try again! [00:18] elfy, the previous... you probably just closed a tag you shouldn't have [00:19] ochosi: the last time I was a scientist I spent 3 months analysing dirt for my dissertation - unsurprisingly - never again :D [00:19] bluesabre: i'm referring to the one with the sassy code-name... [00:19] elfy: wow, that was a super-fast dissertation! [00:19] knome: I assumed so - but then it all just went blank in my head :D [00:19] * ochosi wonders why it takes him so long... [00:20] i'm sure elfy just acknowledged it was all just some crap [00:20] see what i did there? [00:20] :) [00:20] ochosi: I wish - that was just the bit in the lab and was just BSc too [00:20] knome: :) [00:20] ochosi: yes [00:20] nice [00:20] another workitem done then [00:20] !info shimmer-themes vivid [00:20] or something like that [00:20] shimmer-themes (source: shimmer-themes): Gtk+ themes from Shimmer Project. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.4-0ubuntu1 (vivid), package size 2 kB, installed size 31 kB [00:21] yeah, but that version doesn't tell me anything [00:21] it doesn't reflect greybird's [00:21] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/s/shimmer-themes/shimmer-themes_1.9.4-0ubuntu1/changelog [00:21] reading changelogs is booooring [00:21] x.x [00:21] It is? [00:23] hi PaulW2U - thanks for testing what you did :) [00:28] bluesabre: Do we want thunar .5? [00:29] Unit193: bugfixes are good I think [00:29] bluesabre, ok, finnish done for lggs [00:29] NEWS indicates that's all it is. [00:29] ideally an easy package then [00:29] you want it? [00:30] something else that needs translations? [00:30] Except, don't we have to list all LP bugs? :P [00:30] knome: My script! :P [00:30] * Unit193 hides. [00:30] Unit193, .po? [00:30] Unit193, or .pot, or rosetta/transifex link [00:31] Unit193: I usually look around a little bit for obvious ones, then forget to include them [00:31] bluesabre, any idea on translating ThisEntry for menulibre? [00:32] knome: Heh, honestly I was going to wait until I added 'forecasts' before pinging, but it's on transifex yes. I'll get the link. [00:32] knome: I had wanted to drop it, but menulibre development didn't make it this time around [00:32] bluesabre, ok, i'll keep it untranslated [00:32] it will just confuse users more if it's translated [00:33] there isn't really a good translation for "Entry" as is, needs context [00:33] fun [00:34] * New upstream development bugfix release. a-ok? :P [00:35] bravo [00:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes/Development [00:37] should we and lggs there? [00:39] yes [00:39] used by and essential for xubuntu? [00:40] yes [00:40] well, not essential, but now in the seed [00:40] ;) [00:41] done [00:42] Essential == core? [00:42] * Unit193 hides. [00:42] * knome shrugs [00:42] * bluesabre sits [00:42] * ochosi yawns [00:43] * elfy belches [00:44] * ochosi sneaks off to bed [00:45] * knome trips ochosi [00:45] * ochosi activates his spider-senses and doesn't fall! [00:45] so will you float all night? [00:45] like a div? [00:45] <: [00:46] * ochosi cuddles up in a web where he can't hear knome's lame webdev jokes [00:46] night ochosi :) [00:46] web... webdev... i see what you did there [00:50] more like [00:50] webdiv [00:50] <.< [00:50] >,> [00:50] bluesabre: We still using mkdir -p m4 as the "canonical" fix to that problem? [00:52] bluesabre, neither of those were valid tags... [00:53] picky [00:53] [00:54] heh [00:54] .sean { display: block !important; } [00:54] jerk [00:54] chicken [00:54] beef [00:54] bok bok [00:56] bluesabre, more seriously... do you think you would be up for creating a simple gui for sgt-puzzles, to avoid the huge list of items in the menu [00:56] the gui would practically work as a launcher [00:56] after people have had a chance to decide if we even want that [00:56] :p [00:57] knome: yeah, I could probably do that at some point [00:57] well, whether we want that or not... [00:57] great :) [00:57] I actually think it would be a good choice seriously [00:57] yep [00:57] i have my favorites there too [00:57] lol [00:57] and they would be easy enough to highlight on the installer slideshow [00:57] even one per cycle... [00:58] going to be a long slideshow with one for the poll too :) [00:58] we'll probably drop a few slides from the current ones, so... [00:58] talking of which - do you want to set some time aside for us to look at that? [00:59] probably should set up a 3-way with slickymaster [00:59] ;) [00:59] frankly I think that anything with a menu option should be polled [00:59] yea - probably would be best, do the whole kit and kaboodle in one shot [00:59] a bit radical to my taste, but i see the point :D [01:00] heh [01:00] but, let's wait until we are all around [01:00] that seems to happen much lately [01:00] we can even do an impromptu sprint [01:00] mmm [01:01] true enough [01:01] and as always, i have nothing against if you and slimy decide to work on something [01:01] Unit193: yes, I think so [01:01] lol - so I thought the release shout had gone out - apparently no [01:01] just let me know what kind of technical stuff you need :) [01:01] knome: yep [01:01] elfy, oops. [01:02] do we want to revert stuff? [01:02] no [01:02] bluesabre: lp 1423407 is marked invalid, did you fully update and gather more info? :P [01:02] Launchpad bug 1423407 in quassel (Ubuntu) "quasselclient crashed with SIGSEGV on hyperlink hover" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1423407 [01:03] elfy, oki, good :) [01:03] knome: we just normally wait for -release to release [01:03] bit early this time :) [01:03] talk about impatience ;)) [01:03] I know - some people :p [01:04] true that [01:09] Unit193: awww [01:09] I'll update and crash it again [01:09] Unit193: did you say thunar was ready? [01:10] http://unit193.net/source/ ? [01:21] bluesabre: https://sigma. [01:24] With lintian and buildlog. [01:30] Unit193: too many servers :P [01:30] Just two... [01:31] right [01:31] *two* many servers [01:31] Paha. [01:31] :P [01:31] Careful, you complain too much and I'll start uploading them on Loki and Ninthfloor too. :P [01:42] :D [01:42] step 1. ssh tunnel into this random server [01:42] :P [06:56] Did something change since a day ago? Can't run scripts from thunar now. [06:58] Thunar 1.6.5 was just uploaded. [06:58] All i know is i can't run .sh scripts now except through terminal [06:58] nerdistmonk: yes [06:58] that's an intentional change [06:59] great so all my desktop shortcuts are worthless then? [06:59] if they're bash-scripts, then yes [06:59] wow. [07:00] this is the corresponding bugreport in case you're interested to read it: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7596 [07:00] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7596 in general "add a way to *open* shell scripts instead of executing them" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [07:01] and then there's the longer version of that https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9934 [07:01] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 9934 in general "Interoperability problems with executable desktop files" [Normal,New] [07:01] 'desktop shortcuts', sounds like you're doing things quite oddly. [07:01] +1 [07:02] (hint: that's what .desktop files are for?) [07:02] How is it odd? i need xrandr to be called so it can change the resolution before executing the program, then i need it to change it back when done....my sh scripts were handling this nicely. [07:02] 'by default' also sounds like you can change it. [07:02] I don't see anyways to change it back [07:02] yeah, but if you don't use a kb-shortcut to bind your script to, why not use a desktop file then? [07:03] because i got 1,200 programs and only 104 keys, why would i do that when i had something that worked fine for over 10 years? [07:04] you've been doing this for over 10 years? [07:04] also, your question indicates you haven't read the bugreports [07:04] making a desktop launcher to a .sh script? sure [07:05] these scripts do not need to be seen verbosely, so theres no reason not to. [07:05] err, what? whatever. [07:07] so this is localized to thunar i take it? [07:07] ill just rip it out and go to something else then i guess. [07:08] i can understand why this change was made, but why remove user choice once again? [07:08] why not give me an option to keep the old behavior? [07:11] erhm, once again? [07:15] look, there are very easy workarounds, you can create desktop files that do *exactly* what your scripts did (if it's a single call, you can place it in the desktop file directly, if it's more, call the script). this is to protect users who don't know what they're doing [07:15] shell scripts don't provide any visual feedback and imo they shouldn't be used as "launchers" [07:16] since you seemingly *know* what you're doing, you can easily use the workaround indicated above without any trouble [07:16] options should only be added where they make sense, otherwise we end up with too many of them [07:16] [07:17] it appears my desktop icons still work, im just going to take thunar out and go to pcmanfm [07:18] anyways as you said /discussion so i will move on [07:21] nerdistmonk: If you plan to still use xfdesktop4, you should call pcmanfm with --no-desktop, if you plan to use pcmanfm as the desktop, you can still use thunar just not xfdesktop. [07:22] i was going to use it as my default file manager and uninstall thunar completely [07:22] pcmanfm == xfdesktop4 and thunar by default. [07:24] hmmm seems like its gonna be best to simply go to lxde [07:26] * Unit193 rolls eyes. [07:26] yeah, maybe that's best [07:27] you can roll your eyes unit but pcmanfm needs lx libraries, if im gonna have a chunk of lxde running may as well just use it all. [07:28] especially since lxde is going to QT whereas xfce is going gtk3 [07:28] that would be an interesting medley [07:29] only thing that makes me sad is not having my Mac OS 9 platinum theme that xfce comes with. [07:29] Right then, I suppose we are done here. Have fun. [07:32] well thanks for at least letting me know that thunar wasn't bugging out on me. [07:32] np [07:32] now to quietly wait and see if they catch/fix the nvidia window border bug [07:33] (its baaaccckkk) [07:34] minimize a window then bring it back up and the window border is gone on the sides/bottom, old bug from like 3 years ago, seems to have come back for reasons unknown. [07:37] Haha [07:37] hows that for effort [07:37] fixed my thunar problem [07:37] simply selected "open with other application", then typed in a custom command "sh" [07:38] so now it opens all .sh files with sh. [07:45] thanks for your time guys, sorry for pestering you all. [07:45] bluesabre: Meh, too late for a new mousepad? FFe it? :P [08:46] elfy, indicator-sound > sound settings still open pavucontrol here [08:47] got a newer version: 12.10.2+15.04.20150219.1-0ubuntu1 [08:48] oh nvm, you have the same version installed [09:05] good morning :-) [09:39] ochosi: clean install - ind-sound working again [10:58] we can put man on the moon, but not have numlock believe me when I say I want it on at the login screen [11:11] elfy: always good when a bug actually isnt one [11:11] yep [11:12] though I'm still hating on pavu atm :D [11:13] last week I could set a master vol in output devices, then vol control increased/decreased playback vol [11:13] today - both levels change [11:14] could be pulseaudio which has been updated from v4 to v6 [11:14] does it come from gnome - removing options would be par for the course ... :) [11:15] pavucontrol has been rather unmaintained for a while now [11:15] luckily it's still working, cause there really isn't any DE-agnostic alternative afaik [11:15] yea [11:15] yep [11:16] I guess wanting to control volumes 3 ways is probably a bit over the top anyway :D [11:16] at some point i considered forking pavucontrol and improving it [11:16] but it would've been quite a bit of work [11:16] did you consider it for very long :) [11:16] too many projects already [11:16] :) [11:17] why not contribute directly to pavucontrol? [11:17] because there are no active maintainers afaik [11:18] anyway, no need to discuss this, i'm not doing it anyway [11:22] they seems to accept patches https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88813 [11:22] Freedesktop bug 88813 in pavucontrol "pavucontrol crashes on startup, if icon loading fails" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [11:26] oh, I meant he accepts patches, the ubuntu audio dev and one of the pulseaudio maintainers [11:27] ochosi, lazy loading prevents tab switching in the appearance window [11:28] in what case? [11:28] i mean i can't reproduce that [11:29] until it's done loading everything I mean [11:29] requirement: slow pc [11:29] right, i guess that sounds like it's a bit against the intention of lazy loading [11:30] is any interaction blocked? even with the currently open tab? [11:30] or only tab switches [11:32] only tab switching and theme selection, but only for like 2 seconds, longer on first launch [11:32] I don't know if lazy loading could allow these interactions [11:33] or maybe something else is wrong here [11:33] hm, i dunno, maybe tab-switching's interaction is a bit different from just pushing some other button [11:34] not worth caring about this, it's just a small delay :) [11:34] it's not like the user opens the appearance window on a daily base [11:35] yeah [11:35] my thoughts exactly [11:35] at least there is no stalling with showing the dialog [11:39] wasn't "session and startup" always embedded into the settings manager? [11:40] it used to be, it isn't anymore? [11:40] still is here [11:40] not here [11:41] did you compile it yourself? [11:41] also keyboard and mouse settings are not anymore [11:41] ok... woot [11:41] I triggered some bug [11:42] maybe you built something yourself without pluggable support [11:42] none of dialogs are embedded [11:42] sounds like xfce4-settings without plug support [11:43] nope, open lightdm gtk greeter settings and close the password dialog without providing a password [11:43] to trigger the bug [11:44] minor bug though [11:44] right, pkexec thingy probably [11:44] not sure xfsettings can do anything about that [11:45] yeah, closing and reopening fixes the embedding [11:45] yes :) [11:58] brainvvash: want to lend a hand? [12:05] ochosi, with testing? [12:06] well, sorting out this mess of a bugreport would really help... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-volumed/+bug/1347272 [12:06] Launchpad bug 1347272 in xfce4-volumed (Ubuntu) "Several XFCE applications appear unresponsive after communicating with a daemon" [High,Triaged] [12:06] checking which apps are really still affected etc [12:07] how can it be tested? I could check code-wise [12:09] i'd say start codewise [12:09] i'm also a bit lost as to how it could be tested [12:10] thing is, i'm working on another bug/patch atm [12:10] but i'd like us to tackle this one asap [12:10] (ideally we can just close it) [12:22] hmm, this should be a task for xfce devs and nobody else [12:23] Akusari: you know that bunches of people in this channel actually are that? [12:23] Open source community gives and gives back [12:23] hey bluesabre !!! [12:23] heya elfy [12:23] and what elfy said [12:24] Akusari: this is a ubuntu-specific bug [12:25] and what ochosi said [12:25] probably moreso that [12:25] sure, i know that, but i'm a experince dev in gnu projects and other open source projects. So i thing *personal* thats a "design concept" bug and no real app bug [12:25] i think [12:26] feel free to help us resolve the bugreport [12:27] tbh i don't see any real bugs/problems with these apps, so foremostly i wanna get this bugreport sorted [12:27] and design concept things should only be done by original developers [12:29] i agree with ochosi in this case :) [12:30] don't understand me wrong, it just my _personal_ private view of course [12:31] no worries [12:42] Well, forks or threads models have a deep impact of the whole app or project. Just for example if you plan to change this part to a thread pool manage base there are a lot of depencies. I don't looked at the code, so this is only theoretical thought. [12:44] practical thought: lunchtime [12:44] bbl [12:44] hehe :) [12:46] bluesabre: Yes, you're right of course :-) And thats how it works :-) [13:13] elfy, looks like we're back to just the 32-bit version having the missing try/install problem today. [13:17] jjfrv8: mmm - I did have a quick word re vbox - not awfully useful [13:18] was a bit mmm vbox - so does it work in kvm - vbox is rubbish ... [13:18] bummer [13:19] a bit [13:20] kvm doesn't give the try/install at all - just sits at the start menu waiting for you to hit try or install :) [13:20] hmm === brainvvash_ is now known as brainvvash [16:12] hello, i looked a little bit deeper into this case: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-volumed/+bug/1347272 [16:12] Launchpad bug 1347272 in xfce4-volumed (Ubuntu) "Several XFCE applications appear unresponsive after communicating with a daemon" [High,Triaged] [16:15] that's a real mess, i'm just inspecting an example module unity-gtk-module-0.0.0+14.04.20141212 . It looks really ugly what they doing there. I need more time and continue later on [17:13] sorted numlock \o/ just put in back where I put it originally, must have ended up commented out amongst all the stuff going on last week [17:13] that said - shouldn't have to edit system files to make it work [17:14] hehe [17:14] so no bug there again? [17:15] well [17:15] you could call it a bug [17:15] bios says numlock on, desktop says numlock on, lightdm says don't be silly [17:15] :) [17:16] hehe [17:16] well then don't be silly! [17:17] got mediaserver thing working properly now too :) went for a different one - easy as eating cake ... [17:17] yay [17:18] http://www.universalmediaserver.com/ instead of mediatomb [17:18] how is it better (other than working)? [17:18] and is it packaged? [17:18] for one thing - changed one option, rather than mucking about with enabling things in a conf file [17:19] java ... [17:22] hi :-) I'm out of the "Several XFCE applications..." bug. It's not my part to say something about canonical work with unity gtk modules. It is as it is :-) I have just one suggestion: Keep xubuntu unity free (packages based) :-) [17:26] going to try and get some headway on this virtual install issue with 32bit [17:27] i'm sorry, i'm not easy , eh? ;-) [17:27] wut? [17:29] well, i'm also writing what i'm thinking and sometimes it would be better doing a long think and not writing down everything comes in my mind :-) [17:30] ;) [17:30] you'd really not want me doing that in a logged channel [17:30] lol - right :-P === drc is now known as CaptainLinkHeart === CaptainLinkHeart is now known as drc [19:02] ochosi: couple of nice chaps having a look at this 32bit vb thing - cyphermox and infinity [19:02] cool [19:02] seems to be hidden somehow [19:02] if you boot it then up or down arrow to change language - it shows up [19:03] weird [20:19] jjfrv8: not sure if you read scrollback when you're not pinged, but re 32bit image you can work it to try the rest of what's in the image [20:21] when you've got the empty screen up or down, changes the language and the dialogue appears [20:53] elfy, do you have final numbers on beta testing activity per person? [20:53] elfy, see where i'm getting? [20:57] knome: not really seeing where you getting at all tbh, if I could give you those figures - I will also be winning the lottery tonight and tomorrow, possibly some results on football bets too :p [20:58] if however you mean the trusty thing from yesterday yea - I got those :D [20:58] oh right, we didn't do qa incentive for 14.04.2... [20:59] no [20:59] * knome gets back to cave [20:59] bbiab [20:59] but those numbers will be in February's :) [20:59] tbh I didn't give trusty .2 a thought until 2 weeks ago ... [21:00] knome: actually - if you've got a minute or 3 [21:06] ochosi knome - re QA incentive - I've got sorted figures locally, but if I don't wake up in the morning someone has to redo all of that [21:06] what I was pondering was making a google sheet - sharing the link to team, but making it editable only by ochosi and me [21:06] rather - those in team that have an interest [21:07] and aren't going to be telling me it's not up to date :p [21:14] elfy, mm... works for me [21:19] elfy: hmm, only if you promise to wake up in the morning! [21:19] ha :) [21:20] ochosi: do you have a gmail ? [21:20] i do [21:20] knome: same [21:20] firstname.surname@gmail.com [21:21] okey doke - as long as I can do that with an English keyboard :p [21:22] hah yeah, it's €€€.€€€@gmail.com [21:22] oh wait, you don't have that on your keyboard... [21:22] LOL [21:22] elfy, pasi@shimmerproject.org [21:23] ochosi: yea I do have € [21:23] elfy, do you have an Œ? [21:23] but that's just so last year ... or will be [21:23] knome: no [21:23] :D [21:23] ;) [21:23] do you have those elliptical circles then? [21:24] squares? [21:24] yep [21:24] heh [21:26] ᗣ ᗣ ᗣ ᗧ * * * * * * [21:26] wat, cookies? [21:26] i see missing unicode characters :) [21:27] knome: sent to you [21:27] elfy, ta [21:28] ochosi, wow, evince already patched and available in -proposed.. that was fast [21:28] elfy, view only ;( [21:28] yep [21:28] works for me [21:28] but making it editable only by ochosi and me [21:29] I did say that :) [21:29] yes [21:29] just so people can see [21:30] if you really want more make up a reason :D [21:30] nah [21:30] i'm fine [21:30] ok [21:30] I just wanted that others could see it rather than just me [21:30] heh, yeah [21:30] good to share stuff [21:31] and re the original proposal - ochosi needs to ack who gets the snail mail too - so only right he can edit [21:31] and pleia2 needs to send stuff [21:32] and i need to prepare the certificates if we want them [21:32] yep [21:32] or i can prepare it so that pleia2 might be able to do them on request [21:32] well, when needed at least :P [21:32] what I'll do is mail [team] - them that would like to have the link can mail me back [21:32] well [21:33] given we're trying to push it - would be nice to think we all would be interested in 'what's going on' if nothing else :) [21:33] ochosi, even in -release now, but does it actually work for you? [21:34] knome: even gave it a bit of talking up in -meeting the other day [21:34] ochosi, I maximized the evince window and there is no title bar [21:34] lubuntu are handing out t-shirts ... [21:35] heh [21:36] brainvvash: I see that evince issue properly now - andf F11 doesn't undo full screen 'apparently' drag it and it goes back to previous size [21:37] and awesomely cyphermox is assigned to the odd vbox thing :) [21:37] ty cyphermox :) [21:39] elfy, a new version was released to fix the evince issue, like an hour ago. did you already install 3.14.1-0ubuntu4? [21:39] brainvvash: doubtful [21:39] clean install - I've updated a bunch of times during the day - but not for a few hours now [21:41] and the repos were a whole lot faster then too ... [21:45] brainvvash: what I see now is , F11 fullscreens and undoes that - but title bar missing still [21:47] bug 1422354 [21:47] bug 1422354 in Evince "Show traditional titlebar when maximized with no GtkHeaderBar present" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422354 [21:47] missing here too [21:49] +1 [21:49] New xfdash and all, uplodaded. [21:52] elfy: I think I have a fix, I'll upload shortly [21:52] Unit193: I've kind of been playing with that - shame it doesn't timeout [21:53] cyphermox: awesome :) [21:54] elfy: As in, open it and after a certain time it'll close by itself? https://github.com/gmc-holle/xfdashboard/issues ? [21:56] elfy, I've tried that vbox workaround but only got it to work once, and now can't reproduce it. [21:56] yea as in that [21:57] is it moot now, though [21:57] Unit193: ^^ [21:57] jjfrv8: we has hope :) [21:57] Aha. [21:57] Unit193: but doesn't appear to be an issue atm - shall I do one [21:58] Up to you, if you want it ask. From what I've seen he's pretty receptive. [22:01] mmm [22:01] not sure that I'd use it enough in future to ask for something I might not see :) [22:04] brainvvash: no clue why the patch isn't working, the changelog indicates it has been applied [22:07] so does the package's diff [22:09] yes, it's strange [22:09] I've tested my patch 2 days ago, and it worked [22:19] hard for me to tell - I've had all sorts of oddness for days :p [22:22] brainvvash: I've now at least got a normalish install if you want someone to test anything re this [23:42] nice little disk space usage bar turned up in thunar :)