/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/21/#ubuntu-za.txt

Kilosmorning everyone05:04
inetproGuten Morgen! 07:30
danfowlerKilos: I used to live in Pretoria and helped run JoziLUG for a bit, now I live in Ethiopia (but am currently in CPT)07:30
mazalMorning everyone07:31
inetprowb mazal 07:47
inetprooh hi danfowler and wb captine as well 07:55
captinehi there inetpro 07:56
captinelovely cool weather in jhb today... thankfully... just need to check the loadshedding schedule07:56
* inetpro wonders what happened with our greeter bot 07:56
inetproyeah this loadshedding thing really not cool 07:57
inetprowish there was just a bit more predictability 07:58
inetproand fairness 07:59
captineyip.  why not just say for the month of march we are stage 207:59
captinedone08:00
inetprothing is that many get affected multiple times when others don't even get it once 08:02
captineyip.08:04
captinei hear u08:04
captinebest is our area has been hit by cable theft twice during loadshedding... once resulted in 24 hours of no power08:05
mazalMy biggest gripe is that they don't stick to the schedule which makes it a guessing game08:14
mazalAnd of course that it shouldn't happen at all. Somebody sooner or later will have to start rooting out incompetance and forget all the political nonsense08:16
Kiloshi captine  and others08:20
Kilossorry i was shed08:20
Kilosmorning superfly  08:21
mazalMore oom08:21
Kiloshi mazal  08:21
mazalOkey then , updates done , maintenance done , downloads busy , time to game :)08:22
captinehi kilos08:23
Kiloshmm... so when do we get our certificate of ubuntu membership signed by mark?08:45
Kilosinetpro  you awake yet?08:45
inetproKilos: good morning 09:03
Kiloslol09:04
* inetpro is always awake 09:04
inetprounless he's sleeping 09:04
Kilosyou can give back my email addy09:04
Kiloslol you learning hey09:04
inetprowhat up doc? 09:04
Kilosim dommer today09:05
Kiloswant to look at making a wiki link as discussed09:05
Kilosbut forgot how and cant find a create button anywhere09:05
inetprohttp://wikisite/my newpage 09:06
Kilosoh doesnt it go with ubuntu stuffs09:06
inetproai tog! 09:06
inetproread between the lines man 09:07
Kiloslol09:07
Kilosty i needed that laugh09:07
inetprowhat you want to add? 09:09
Kilosmembers past and present link remember09:09
Kilosai! tog09:10
* inetpro wrote on trello, " start populating what content or what links you might want to see" 09:11
inetproyou can use trello as your sandbox 09:11
inetproKilos: put the actual content man, not just the idea 09:17
Kilosai!09:17
Kilosdidnt i delegate the task to you?09:18
Kilosill  find them you save them09:18
inetprohaha 09:18
Kilosif you make the wiki link ill edit it09:19
inetprodo you even know what you want to put there? 09:19
Kilosya those ||  member || joined || status || country || etc etc09:20
inetprouh, ok 09:21
inetproso what would this page be called? 09:22
Kilosubuntu-za members and maybe past and present underneeth09:24
inetproso how about going to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members09:25
Kilosya thats good09:25
Kiloswell done goosie ty very much09:26
inetproI didn't do anything 09:26
Kilosoh who did09:26
inetproyou 09:26
Kiloseeek when09:26
inetpronow 09:26
Kilossjoe09:27
inetproI simply suggested the URL 09:27
Kiloslol09:27
Kilostypical09:27
inetprothat's as easy as it gets to create a new wiki page 09:28
Kilossjoe09:28
inetprobut now you have to start putting your content 09:29
Kilosyaya09:30
Kilosim looking at what others have there first09:30
inetproai! 09:31
Kiloshe malta team has basically what i want to do09:31
Kilosoi09:50
Kilosback to school09:55
Kiloshi magellanic  09:58
magellanicheya09:58
magellanicsup Kilos 10:06
Kilossigh trying to make a za members wiki page10:07
Kiloswe got lotsa work. do you have trello magellanic  ?10:07
magellanicah, site done?10:07
magellanicyes I do10:07
Kilosgive you name on trello to inetpro  please10:08
magellanicare you going to dish out work to me :P10:08
Kilosthen you can see all our work in progress10:08
Kiloslol10:08
Kilosssshhh10:08
magellanicit's a trap10:08
magellanicI know it10:08
Kilosme, never10:08
Kilosi dont dish out work, i just blunder along till someone gets tired of watching and takes over10:09
magellanicgorgeous day in cpt10:09
magellanicah, hehe10:09
magellanicI have my hands full doing GDG work10:10
Kilosya everyone is super busy but we dont ask one to work10:10
Kiloswe just hint until they cut off an hours bedtime to help10:11
magellaniclol10:11
Kiloshi spinza  10:11
danfowlerKilos: I'll get Mark to make up a cert10:12
Kiloscool ty danfowler  10:13
Kilosand one for superfly  too please10:15
magellanicsnappy core is looking interesting these days hey10:16
magellanicthis caught my eye other day, http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2015/02/19/canonical-achieves-broad-industry-buy-in-for-snappy-ubuntu/10:16
magellanicexciting times10:16
Kilosjust gets better and better10:17
magellanicyep, Mark is an absolute legend, kind of stuff to make us really proud10:19
Kilosyip10:19
Kilosai! im sure mazal  said he is gaming10:30
Kilosgrrrr10:30
Kilosmazal  soek waar jy kan help https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco10:31
Kilosno rest for the wicked10:31
magellanicI'm working, I swear..10:38
Kiloslol10:38
inetproai! 10:45
mazalKilos, I was , but now struggling with putting Win 7 on laptop10:45
mazalI have no drivers , nothing10:45
Kilosexcuses excuses10:45
mazalSo busy downloading drivers , but at the graphics section they have 5 different ones , no idea which one10:46
mazalI don't know if it has Nvidia , AMD , Intel or what10:46
Kilosoi10:46
Kilosinstall then let it update drivers10:47
inetproforget win 710:47
inetprojust go Linux all the way 10:48
Kilosmazal  WAYTTD10:48
Kiloshehe10:48
mazalinetpro, I want to gift this one for someone else that has no money10:49
Kiloseish bad gift10:49
mazalAnd she only knows Win10:49
Kilosrather gift a kubuntu lappy10:49
mazalNot in this case Kilos , she won't manage that10:49
Kilosthen you can spend time teaching her10:49
mazalIs there a way I can id the graphics chip with ubuntu life cd ? cli command maybe ?10:50
* inetpro looks at the German interpretation of the word gift 10:50
Kiloslspci comes to mind10:51
magellanicI put my dad on mint for the last 2 years, he got used to it10:51
Kilostell him magellanic  10:51
inetpromazal: that would be like poisoning someone 10:51
mazalDon't judge , you don't know the situation guys10:51
inetproai tog! 10:52
Kilosya but we are allowed to tease you till you blush10:52
mazalThis person can hardly speak english , I won't be able to teach her linux , trust me10:52
Kiloswe are twee talig10:53
mazalShe has no internet to look for help10:53
mazalAnd I don't live close to help her10:53
Kilosshame10:53
inetprouh, like Linux does not support more languages than any other technologies? 10:53
mazalShe will have no support , so it simply isn't an option10:54
Kilosi understand that10:54
mazalNot gonna dump her into deep end like that10:54
Kiloshmm...10:55
inetprois a Linux that bad still, after all these years? 10:55
Kilosit is frightening  for those not willing to learn new stuff10:56
* inetpro thought we crossed the ease of use barrier long ago 10:56
mazalinetpro, fact is , when you have to start with linux for the first time you must have someone to help or teach you. Either online or in person10:56
mazalThat's just a fact10:56
inetproreally? 10:56
mazalyep10:56
Kilosdonate a 3g dongle as well10:57
mazalOS itself is different , most apps is different , one has a lot of learning to do10:57
inetprois it not even worse on Windows these days? 10:57
Kilosactually 7 isnt bad10:58
Kiloseven i can run it but also with help from ian10:58
inetproif a user has never used windows before, I'm sure Linux would be easier 10:58
Kilosyes10:58
Kiloskids in school are the ideal target10:58
mazalShe already knows Windows like I said , so she doesn't need to learn that10:59
inetproyou get just half a machine to start with 10:59
inetprothe other half you still need to buy 10:59
Kiloshe most likely has office too11:00
inetproor it is just an illegal copy? 11:00
mazalanyway , let me get back to work11:00
Kilosinetpro  go see that wiki page11:02
Kilosim still learning11:02
inetproKilos: Screenshot posted on trello for the records 11:06
magellanicwhere's best to put an init script these days, /etc/rc2.d/ or should it be /etc/init/ ?11:06
inetpro:-) 11:06
Kilosai!11:07
Kilosai! you ask for screenshot them do it yourself11:10
KilosMaaz  coffee on11:11
* Maaz washes some mugs11:11
Kilosive no idea why paste and present isnt on a new line11:12
Kilospast11:12
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!11:15
KilosMaaz  thanks man11:16
MaazKilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)11:16
Kiloshi Yolandre  11:17
YolandreGoeie dag.11:17
Kiloslol you been here before looks like11:18
YolandreHEt enige iemand al Ubuntu Touch probeer?11:18
Kilosdie foon?11:18
YolandreNee, wil dit graag op tablet laai, maar wil net eers huiswerk gedoen kry.11:19
Kilosbyt vas miskien sien iemand en weet daarvan11:20
YolandreEk't baie opgelees en die kanse lyk maar baie skraal op die oomblik, veral omdat ek dit eers wil toets op ProLine AK888-13 voor ek dit op Dell Venue 7 doen.11:21
YolandreEk soek ook advies m.b.t. mail clients op Ubuntu. Sit met enorme uitdaging: ek wil die afgelope paar jaar reeds al ons korporatiewe werkstasies oorkskakel na Ubuntu, maar het probleme gehad om Internet Explorer op Ubuntu te laat loop en het te min tyd gehad om daarmee te speel.11:23
Kilossjoe11:24
YolandreNou het ek Internet Explorer laat werk en die interaksie met 'n klient se stelsel is perfek. Ek en verskeie gebruikers lek lippe af en kan nie wag om almal oor te skakel na Ubuntu net om in een enorme probleem vas te loop... Op gemiddeld ontvang elke gebruiker sowat 20GB se e-pos per jaar waarvan niks delete mag word nie. Hoe gemaak wanneer jy POP3 gebruik op 'n EXT4 leerstelsel met 'n mail client wat slegs 4GB ondersteun?11:26
Kilosmail clients- thunderbird evolution and more11:26
YolandreThunderbird beweer hulle kan nou meer as 4GB mail stoor in 1 folder, maar dis twak - dit werk nie. Ek wil nou graag Evolution, maar vooraf indikasies dui daarop dat Evolutions slegs 2GB ondersteun. 11:27
Kilosek los al my pos by gmail en evo op pop haal net die nuwes 11:29
YolandreEk het al my hoop op Thunderbird gehad, maar lees toe gister dat Mozilla amptelik die verdere ontwikkelling van Thunderbird gestaak het - klink amper asof Microsoft nou aandele in Mozilla het...11:30
Kilosai!11:32
YolandreDaar is kopiee van al die e-posse op 'n mail server, maar baie gebruikers doen off-line werk en wanneer hulle dan e-pos soek wat hulle reeds delete het sal dit rof gaan.11:32
YolandreEk sal maar Evolution probeer en kyk waar ons uitkom. Wat mens nie sal doen om van Microsoft ontslae te raak nie?11:33
Kiloslol11:33
YolandreWens alles was so gerieflik soos Mac...11:33
Kiloshoekom will hulle IE he?11:34
Kilosek gebruik opera-browser11:34
YolandreJy kry mos nog developers wat dink in vandag se tye kan mens 'n web app maak net vir Internet Explorer... Kan nie die logika verstaan nie. Ek doen development van ons interne stelsel wat tot beskikking van al ons kliente gestel word. Ek het nie development team soos die spesifieke klient nie en alles is cross platform en multiple browser compatible.11:36
Kilossjoe11:37
YolandreSo, wat interne gebruik betref kan ons gebruikers absoluut enige operating system of enige browser gebruik. Ongelukkig kan ek nie die 1 klient voorskryf oor hoe hulle behoort te develop nie. Maar, soos genoem het ek IE op Ubuntu aan die loop en alle toetsing tot hede was suksesvol.11:38
Kilosdis darem iets11:39
YolandreMy groot uitdaging is nou om 'n Ubuntu compatible mail client te kry wat 80GB+ se mails kan fasiliteer.11:39
Kilossjoe11:39
YolandreBaie tempted om eie mail client te develop... Net genoeg tyd het...11:40
Kilostyd is almal se probleem11:40
Kiloste min daarvan11:40
YolandrePresies!11:41
captine80 gigs of mails... wow12:05
Kiloslol12:05
Kiloslots hey12:05
Kiloshe should run his own mail server12:06
captinewas thinking that.12:21
captinemaybe Kolab12:22
Kilostell him when he comes back, he too clever for me to help12:23
superflywhy is he even storing that mail on the PC's? He should be running a mail server that stores it all there12:25
Kiloshi __rama__  12:39
Kiloshehe12:39
__rama__Lol, hello.12:42
Kilosthats the weirdist nick12:50
mazalSkielik is ek lus vir 'n brooidtjie :)12:51
__rama__Kilos, Yes and with that comes uniqueness.12:51
__rama__:)12:52
__rama__mazal, my nickname is derived from the Hindu god, Rama, the seventh avatar of Hindu god Vishnu.12:53
__rama__I meant its derived from Rama. 12:53
Kilostell us about yourself __rama__  12:53
superflyAs opposed to the margarine12:53
Kiloshere rama is margerine12:53
Kiloslol12:53
__rama__superfly, yes.12:54
__rama__Kilos, I know. I live here. Lol.12:54
Kiloshmm...12:54
__rama__Kilos, what?12:55
Kilosnow im trying to think who you might be12:55
__rama__Kilos, a human being I would say.12:55
Kilosyou been here before?12:56
__rama__Kilos, I live in ZA.12:56
Kiloshave you been here before12:56
Kiloson this channel12:57
__rama__Kilos, that makes more sense. No, I am still new to Ubuntu as a whole.12:57
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za then12:57
Kilosyou can fill the whole with rama12:58
__rama__You mean hole?12:59
Kiloslol that too13:03
__rama__Haha13:03
Kilosif you need any help just explain what you need to know13:03
Kilosim busy atm but someone will help13:04
__rama__Cool, will do. :)13:04
captineok.  merge proposed for ubuntu-za page update... :)13:14
Kilosgood man captine  13:25
Kiloshow good are you at wiki stuffs13:26
captinewiki?13:27
captinei was thinking of looking into it13:27
Kiloswiki page building13:27
captineesp for updating the pxe server instructions... struggle to get it working when following those instructions13:27
Kilosive started one13:27
captinewhere?13:28
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members13:28
Kilosneeds to grow13:28
Kilosall the || stuff || pops my head13:28
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax#Headings_and_table_of_contents13:34
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnHeadlines13:34
captineKilos, that wiki stuff does look tricky13:45
Kiloslol13:46
Kilosimagine how i feel13:46
Kilosi tried making some wider  for like email addies but it didnt want to13:53
Kilosgrrr13:53
Kilosmaybe needs a long name in the heading13:54
=== smile is now known as Guest66371
=== Guest66371 is now known as smile
Kiloshi smile  13:59
Kiloswhere you been14:00
captineKilos, what needs to be done on the getting-involved page?14:00
Kiloscaptine  i dont know , something fly or pro thought up14:00
Kiloslol it needs tlc14:01
captineok.  i am no pretty committee... but maybe it should just be thinned down or something14:01
Kilosgive it a hug14:01
captinedoes look a bit rough14:01
smilehi ;)14:02
smileKilos: in the deepest parts of the ocean14:02
Kilosoh well at least the johnny's didnt get you14:03
Kiloscaptine  what looks rough?14:04
captinethe page (getting involved) looks to wide14:04
captinemaybe needs to be narrowed somehow14:04
Kilosoh14:04
captineit still looks way better than the one I submitted for merge.  was definitely improved14:05
Kilosmy opera shows the bottom 3 things one on top of the other but chrome shows them next to each other14:05
Kiloslemme see if i can see who said it needs tlc14:07
Kilosah must be the fly14:08
Kiloslooks good to me14:08
Kiloshe sees lots i dont14:08
magellanicanyone works with munin?14:17
Kilosya14:22
Kilosyou mean on your own pc or by the munin peeps14:22
Kilosused it here to see what was making things slow14:24
Kilosi wonder where quassel@unaffiliated/hibana is hiding14:25
magellanichad issues with postgres wildcard plugins14:28
magellanicsomeone from #munin sorted it out14:28
magellanic;)14:28
Kiloslol14:36
KilosThatGraemeGuy  knows about that thing , he told me what to do14:37
Kilosquite a cool thing though, it showed my 1TB sata drive was slower than the rest of the pc14:38
captineKilos, i will leave that page to the pro's to fix up.. :)14:38
magellanicyeah it is quite a cool thing14:39
magellanicubuntu question, can unattended-upgrades be trusted to use to do nothing but security patches to a server? Reason I ask, the libc GHOST issue update didn't seem to be noticed by it (using --dry-run didn't suggest it as a security issue), but the libc changelog listed that it was a security update14:40
Kilosok captine  ty. i will ask the fly what kinda tlc he has in mind14:40
magellanicso it seemed like the libc security fix wasn't in the security repo, which unattended-upgrades only looks at, is it generally trusted that all security updates go into the security repo14:42
Kilosai!14:42
Kilosyou using unity?14:43
magellanicme?14:43
Kilosya14:43
magellanicno why14:43
Kilosoh its server14:43
magellanicyeah14:43
Kilosare you also against using aptitude?14:44
Kilosi like aptitude14:44
magellanicnot really14:44
magellanicwould use it14:44
Kilosaptitude update and aptitude upgrade14:44
Kilosaptitude is a very  user friendly tool14:44
magellanicso this server is 12.04 LTS, the last libc6 update was a security patch, but from the 'main' repo not 'security'14:45
magellanicI want to do nothing but security updates14:45
Kilostells you whats needed and when it sees snags it gives options14:45
Kilosask the fly when he gets here14:45
magellanicwill do14:46
Kiloswhat other updates would a server get anyway14:51
Kilossurely its all security14:51
magellanichmm14:53
Kilosyou gotta add ...14:53
KilosMaaz  hmm...14:53
Maazhmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking14:53
magellanicI'll dig around a bit14:54
magellanicyou make a good point14:54
Kilosthere is a lekker server guide somewhere14:54
KilosMaaz  google ubuntu server guide14:55
MaazKilos: "Ubuntu Server Guide - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/ :: "Ubuntu Server Guide - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/serverguide.pdf :: "Ubuntu Server Guide" http://ubuntuserverguide.com/ :: "Initial Server Setup with Ubuntu 14.04 | DigitalOcean"14:55
Maazhttps://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/initial-server-setup-with-ubuntu-14-04 :: "Ubuntu Server Guide" http://www.cs.…14:55
Kilosii think they advise using aptitude as well14:56
magespawngood evening15:41
Kiloshi magespawn  15:41
Kiloswow mag tab worked15:42
magespawnshouldn't, should still need to do it twice15:43
magespawnany way15:44
magespawni trying out the kubuntu 14.1015:44
magespawnseems to be working quite well so far15:45
Kilosah15:45
magespawnright back again16:13
Kiloswb16:13
magespawnjust taking a online tour of kubuntu, to see what what16:14
Kiloslol16:14
magespawnthe navigation is somewhat different16:17
magespawnand only one desktop to start with, it looks like16:19
Kilosyou have to go enable them somewhere16:20
Kilosin settings16:20
magespawni think so, just learning how it all opens and closes at the moment16:20
Kilosworkspace behaviour i think16:20
magespawncool i'll have a look16:23
magespawnright got it going like a king now16:28
Kilosgood16:28
magespawnset the right hand side of the screen to show all desktops, and the top left to show all open windows in the current desktop16:30
Kilossjoe16:30
magespawni like this, very cool, would work like a dream on a touch screen16:31
Kiloslol16:31
magespawnnow just to set up irssi themes, tweek the settings abit and we will be good to go16:34
magespawnwhat are you using Kilos? i forget16:37
Kilos14.04 kde16:37
Kilosoh konversation16:37
magespawni did mean the os for a change16:38
Kiloslol16:38
Kilosi could stay on this forever, very stable an unbreakable16:39
Kilosohi superfly  16:39
Kilosmagellanic  ^^16:39
magellanicI absolutely love mint and cinnamon16:40
Kilossigh  ask the fly man about the security stuffs16:40
magespawnwill do, google is your friend remember16:43
magellanicwill do when back, need to run shortly16:43
Kilosok16:43
magellaniclater folks :)16:44
Kilosgo well16:44
magespawnbbl going to some paper reading16:53
inetproKilos: can it be that difficult?17:07
inetprosee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members17:07
Kiloswho is that nick oke17:18
Kilosonly one thats joined today is the margerine man17:19
Kilosnow set it so that it sorts nicks by join date17:21
Kilospretty please17:21
Kilosand add a big name like the heavy spark17:22
Kilosand the top line should be in bold text i think17:23
Kiloswhat do you say17:23
Kilosoh you got the past and present sorted as well , danke17:24
Kilosnow he hides again17:37
inetproreally?17:41
Kiloslol17:42
Kilossmile, it might never happen17:42
Kilosty inetpro  you can be the first name there17:47
Kilosi tried making empty lines ai!17:48
__rama__Kilos, really? Margerine man? Lmao!17:48
Kiloslol17:48
Kilos__rama__  you must join our mailing list17:48
Kilosand definitely add this channel as your favourite17:49
Kilosheres a link for you17:50
Kiloshttps://ubuntu-za.org/17:50
__rama__I've subscribed.17:53
Kiloscool17:53
Kiloswhat all can you do?17:53
Kiloswe need wiki editors17:54
Kilosand bzr and nikola peeps17:54
Kilosso next move would be to get trello17:55
__rama__Um yeah, I won't be able to do much this year to help you out guys as I am doing my honours this year and time is something that is in very short supply. Maybe in June and July I'll be able to help out more but at this moment I cannot help much...17:55
Kiloswe understand and wish you all the best17:56
Kilosstudy hard17:56
__rama__Thank you, much appreciated. Indeed, I shall. I am aiming for cum laude.17:56
Kilosgreat17:57
__rama__Yep. :)17:57
Kiloshi mazal  18:12
mazalEvening all18:12
inetproMaaz: tell captine I like your changes... merged it... now we just need to wait for superfly to apply to production18:13
Maazinetpro: Got it, I'll tell captine on freenode18:13
=== __rama__ is now known as __rama__afk
inetproMaaz: nickometer __rama__afk18:27
Maazinetpro: __rama__afk is 99.1% lame18:27
inetproai!18:27
inetproKilos: what's happening with the sharks game?18:27
inetprogremble: wb18:28
Kilos15/1218:28
Kiloswe lead 18:28
grembleHey inetpro 18:28
Maazgremble: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell gremble You are supposed to say goodnight before leaving" 21 hours, 36 minutes and 33 seconds ago18:28
grembleHey Kilos 18:28
Kiloslol18:28
Kiloshi gremble  18:29
Kiloshaha 18:29
inetprocome sharks!!!18:29
* mazal takes a break from talinite hunting and sips a coffee18:29
Kilosthey struggling, raining lots there18:30
inetprowe can't allow these lions to win this game18:30
grembletalinite sounds like a mineral. Minerals aren't hunted18:30
grembleAre we playing rugby?18:30
mazalgremble: it feels like a hunt :P18:30
Kilosya18:30
Kilosmazal  have you made that machine that finds stuff18:30
mazalThe node detector ?18:31
Kilosi forget , well ask graeme monday18:31
mazalI have one , but works way too slow18:31
mazalEven the 2 quarries can't keep up 18:32
mazalIn the time they find 10 I find 10018:32
Kiloslol18:32
mazalMy game runs in slow mo mode mos , only runs at 30% speed. So quarries takes forever , manual much faster18:33
Kiloslol18:33
mazalAnd nobody knows why it runs like that , tried everything myself and the minetest guys could think of , nothing works to fix it18:34
Kiloswow18:34
mazalVery irritating18:35
mazalAlways have to wait long for furnaces , grinders , alloy , quarries , centrifuge , trees , basically everything takes more than 3 times longer to complete their processes18:36
* mazal continues hunting18:39
inetpromazal: your USB HDD will slow it down18:39
inetprosurely?18:40
Kiloswill munin see where its being held up?18:40
mazalinetpro: That's not it , even tried different pc's , different drives , both internal en external , even tried different os , event tried different mode , nothing works18:44
mazalIn the end , after a whole list of things tried and tested , the general consencus was that something is wrong in the world itself18:44
inetproahh, start a fresh world18:45
mazalThat's what everyone said in the end18:45
inetpro:-)18:45
mazalBut 10 months of work , loads of buildings and networks18:45
Kilosai!18:45
mazalno way18:45
mazalAnd since the problem could not be identified , what's not to say it happens again with that world18:46
Kiloswell when you get very irritated then look what you can help with on trello18:46
mazalSo I decided to just live with it18:46
inetproclr: wb18:46
Kiloshi clr  18:47
clrhey, you never disappoint18:47
clrhow are you18:47
clr?18:47
Kilosgood ty and you?18:47
mazalI can mostly deal with doing everything again , except the centrifuge system and the 30k mine. Can't do that again :P18:47
mazalhi clr18:48
clrfine, playing around with seahorse, getting a file permission error18:48
clrhi mazal18:48
inetpromazal: why not?18:49
clrso I am trying to import my pgp keys that I have in two text docs like clr.private.key  and clr.public.key18:49
Kilosinetpro  27/12 and 3 mins to go18:49
clrand if I import any with seahorse I get 'failed to create temporary file'.18:50
inetproKilos: yay!18:50
mazalMining 30 000 nodes deep again , that was a huge job , and building the centrifuge system , that is just a plain pain in the nr plate18:50
clrseems that ~/.gnupg belogns to root and seahorse is run as me18:50
clrso is it OK to change permissions of .gnupg to myself?18:51
Kilosbgeter get help from pro18:51
Kilosbetter18:51
clrAnyone feel free to jump in18:51
Kilosi chown wrong things18:51
clrhehe therefore my post here, was hoping someone can tell me that it is ok18:53
Kilosis it just that one file18:53
inetproclr: it's in your home folder?18:53
inetprowhy would it belong to root?18:54
clrmaybe I'll import it with cli and then I do it as root in anycase18:54
clryes18:54
clr~/.gnupg18:54
inetprosudo chown clr:clr ~/.gnupg18:54
inetproclr: that is if your username is clr18:55
clrja, that is what I want to do, actually saw on the web sudo chown -r clr:clr  ~/.gnupg18:56
clrso changing everything in there18:56
mazalKilos: Is there a " Why Ubuntu ? " section yet ?18:57
clrbut was concerned that it would maybe stuff it up for some other keys e.g. I see hplip keys in there18:57
inetproahh.. it's a folder as well? Then use -R18:57
inetprosudo chown -R clr:clr ~/.gnupg18:57
inetproshould all belong to you18:57
Kilosgo see mazal  https://ubuntu-za.org/18:58
* mazal go look18:58
clrsuppose it's easy enough to change it back18:58
inetproroot should not own anything beyond your home folder18:58
inetproand if files there are owned by root then you did something wrong to start with18:59
mazalKilos: Looking really good18:59
Kilosnet gone slow to wiki19:01
Kilosoh inetpro  it moves the || to suite whats typed in there19:01
Kilosautomagically19:01
mazalKilos: I was thinking , maybe a section where members here can give testimonials of why they like Ubuntu , or is that not the place for something like that ?19:02
inetproKilos: noooooooo!!!!!19:02
Kilosoh my19:02
Kilosi dunno mazal  19:02
Kiloswe could maybe make a wiki page for that and  just put the link in the site19:03
inetproKilos: please don't post my email address on public pages, ever!!!!19:03
* inetpro gets enough spam as it is19:04
Kilosoh ok sorry19:04
Kilosshould we just remove the email place then?19:04
Kilosim sure you arent on your own with that feeling19:05
mazalIndeed19:05
inetproyes, maybe a better idea that19:05
inetproKilos: there's no magic about the ||19:06
Kilosdidnt they move?19:06
Kilosim sure it got wider than the name one19:07
inetproKilos: it's just a wiki shortcut to put things into HTML tables, tables work like that... rows and colums are aligned19:08
Kilosit did19:08
inetprounless you mess it up on purpose19:08
Kilosoh19:08
Kiloswill it sort things alphabetically as well19:11
Kilosor by dates19:12
inetproKilos: no19:13
inetprounfortunately the MoinMoin wiki syntax is very basic19:15
Kilossjoe19:15
Kilosnow the big work starts getting all the names19:17
Kiloswhere is my maia19:17
inetproKilos: but if you are very, very desperate and you really, really want it then it should be possible19:18
inetprosee: https://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/SortableTables19:18
Kiloslol19:19
clrok inetpro, I tried that but then started getting messages about unsafe permission on .gnupg directory. so I just changed it back and imported the keys using command line.19:19
Kilosi think i glanced there this morning but it frightened me19:19
clrShall see if they appear in seahorse19:19
inetproclr: hmm... very strange that19:19
inetprobut what is seahorse anyway?19:20
clrcheck permissions on your .gnupg?19:20
clr it's the ubuntu gui for passwords and keys19:20
Kilosi can open mine in home19:21
clrno, nothing shows up in here19:21
inetproai!19:21
Kilosand if you make it show hidden?19:21
inetproahh... GNOME front end for GnuPG19:22
* inetpro has never used it19:22
Kilosi can see everything in gpg.conf19:23
Kilosthe others want to know what to open it with19:23
inetproreally seems odd to have anything with root permissions in your home folder19:23
inetproclr: maybe the following can help? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/32128719:25
Kilosfunny how with trello you dont need to reload to see things that have changed19:40
* Kilos needs to sleep19:43
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:43
clrinetpro that bug basically directs you to delete the .gnupg folder and then re-run seahorse as yourself20:06
clrSo I exported the keys using cli, deleted that folder, ran seahorse and then imported the keys from seahorse20:07
clrAll ok now20:07
inetproclr: nice! 20:31
inetprothanks for the feedback 20:31
inetprosuperfly: thinking about captine's poll, perhaps there's a better way to handle polls 20:33
inetproplease have a look and make a call whether to make it live or not 20:34
SquirmEvening21:12
clrEvening Squirm, welcome.  Sorry, can't chat, need to go21:18
SquirmEnjoy21:19

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