[05:04] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:30] <inetpro> Guten Morgen! 
[07:30] <danfowler> Kilos: I used to live in Pretoria and helped run JoziLUG for a bit, now I live in Ethiopia (but am currently in CPT)
[07:31] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:47] <inetpro> wb mazal 
[07:55] <inetpro> oh hi danfowler and wb captine as well 
[07:56] <captine> hi there inetpro 
[07:56] <captine> lovely cool weather in jhb today... thankfully... just need to check the loadshedding schedule
[07:56]  * inetpro wonders what happened with our greeter bot 
[07:57] <inetpro> yeah this loadshedding thing really not cool 
[07:58] <inetpro> wish there was just a bit more predictability 
[07:59] <inetpro> and fairness 
[07:59] <captine> yip.  why not just say for the month of march we are stage 2
[08:00] <captine> done
[08:02] <inetpro> thing is that many get affected multiple times when others don't even get it once 
[08:04] <captine> yip.
[08:04] <captine> i hear u
[08:05] <captine> best is our area has been hit by cable theft twice during loadshedding... once resulted in 24 hours of no power
[08:14] <mazal> My biggest gripe is that they don't stick to the schedule which makes it a guessing game
[08:16] <mazal> And of course that it shouldn't happen at all. Somebody sooner or later will have to start rooting out incompetance and forget all the political nonsense
[08:20] <Kilos> hi captine  and others
[08:20] <Kilos> sorry i was shed
[08:21] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[08:21] <mazal> More oom
[08:21] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[08:22] <mazal> Okey then , updates done , maintenance done , downloads busy , time to game :)
[08:23] <captine> hi kilos
[08:45] <Kilos> hmm... so when do we get our certificate of ubuntu membership signed by mark?
[08:45] <Kilos> inetpro  you awake yet?
[09:03] <inetpro> Kilos: good morning 
[09:04] <Kilos> lol
[09:04]  * inetpro is always awake 
[09:04] <inetpro> unless he's sleeping 
[09:04] <Kilos> you can give back my email addy
[09:04] <Kilos> lol you learning hey
[09:04] <inetpro> what up doc? 
[09:05] <Kilos> im dommer today
[09:05] <Kilos> want to look at making a wiki link as discussed
[09:05] <Kilos> but forgot how and cant find a create button anywhere
[09:06] <inetpro> http://wikisite/my newpage 
[09:06] <Kilos> oh doesnt it go with ubuntu stuffs
[09:06] <inetpro> ai tog! 
[09:07] <inetpro> read between the lines man 
[09:07] <Kilos> lol
[09:07] <Kilos> ty i needed that laugh
[09:09] <inetpro> what you want to add? 
[09:09] <Kilos> members past and present link remember
[09:10] <Kilos> ai! tog
[09:11]  * inetpro wrote on trello, " start populating what content or what links you might want to see" 
[09:11] <inetpro> you can use trello as your sandbox 
[09:17] <inetpro> Kilos: put the actual content man, not just the idea 
[09:17] <Kilos> ai!
[09:18] <Kilos> didnt i delegate the task to you?
[09:18] <Kilos> ill  find them you save them
[09:18] <inetpro> haha 
[09:19] <Kilos> if you make the wiki link ill edit it
[09:19] <inetpro> do you even know what you want to put there? 
[09:20] <Kilos> ya those ||  member || joined || status || country || etc etc
[09:21] <inetpro> uh, ok 
[09:22] <inetpro> so what would this page be called? 
[09:24] <Kilos> ubuntu-za members and maybe past and present underneeth
[09:25] <inetpro> so how about going to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[09:25] <Kilos> ya thats good
[09:26] <Kilos> well done goosie ty very much
[09:26] <inetpro> I didn't do anything 
[09:26] <Kilos> oh who did
[09:26] <inetpro> you 
[09:26] <Kilos> eeek when
[09:26] <inetpro> now 
[09:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:27] <inetpro> I simply suggested the URL 
[09:27] <Kilos> lol
[09:27] <Kilos> typical
[09:28] <inetpro> that's as easy as it gets to create a new wiki page 
[09:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:29] <inetpro> but now you have to start putting your content 
[09:30] <Kilos> yaya
[09:30] <Kilos> im looking at what others have there first
[09:31] <inetpro> ai! 
[09:31] <Kilos> he malta team has basically what i want to do
[09:50] <Kilos> oi
[09:55] <Kilos> back to school
[09:58] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[09:58] <magellanic> heya
[10:06] <magellanic> sup Kilos 
[10:07] <Kilos> sigh trying to make a za members wiki page
[10:07] <Kilos> we got lotsa work. do you have trello magellanic  ?
[10:07] <magellanic> ah, site done?
[10:07] <magellanic> yes I do
[10:08] <Kilos> give you name on trello to inetpro  please
[10:08] <magellanic> are you going to dish out work to me :P
[10:08] <Kilos> then you can see all our work in progress
[10:08] <Kilos> lol
[10:08] <Kilos> ssshhh
[10:08] <magellanic> it's a trap
[10:08] <magellanic> I know it
[10:08] <Kilos> me, never
[10:09] <Kilos> i dont dish out work, i just blunder along till someone gets tired of watching and takes over
[10:09] <magellanic> gorgeous day in cpt
[10:09] <magellanic> ah, hehe
[10:10] <magellanic> I have my hands full doing GDG work
[10:10] <Kilos> ya everyone is super busy but we dont ask one to work
[10:11] <Kilos> we just hint until they cut off an hours bedtime to help
[10:11] <magellanic> lol
[10:11] <Kilos> hi spinza  
[10:12] <danfowler> Kilos: I'll get Mark to make up a cert
[10:13] <Kilos> cool ty danfowler  
[10:15] <Kilos> and one for superfly  too please
[10:16] <magellanic> snappy core is looking interesting these days hey
[10:16] <magellanic> this caught my eye other day, http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2015/02/19/canonical-achieves-broad-industry-buy-in-for-snappy-ubuntu/
[10:16] <magellanic> exciting times
[10:17] <Kilos> just gets better and better
[10:19] <magellanic> yep, Mark is an absolute legend, kind of stuff to make us really proud
[10:19] <Kilos> yip
[10:30] <Kilos> ai! im sure mazal  said he is gaming
[10:30] <Kilos> grrrr
[10:31] <Kilos> mazal  soek waar jy kan help https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[10:31] <Kilos> no rest for the wicked
[10:38] <magellanic> I'm working, I swear..
[10:38] <Kilos> lol
[10:45] <inetpro> ai! 
[10:45] <mazal> Kilos, I was , but now struggling with putting Win 7 on laptop
[10:45] <mazal> I have no drivers , nothing
[10:45] <Kilos> excuses excuses
[10:46] <mazal> So busy downloading drivers , but at the graphics section they have 5 different ones , no idea which one
[10:46] <mazal> I don't know if it has Nvidia , AMD , Intel or what
[10:46] <Kilos> oi
[10:47] <Kilos> install then let it update drivers
[10:47] <inetpro> forget win 7
[10:48] <inetpro> just go Linux all the way 
[10:48] <Kilos> mazal  WAYTTD
[10:48] <Kilos> hehe
[10:49] <mazal> inetpro, I want to gift this one for someone else that has no money
[10:49] <Kilos> eish bad gift
[10:49] <mazal> And she only knows Win
[10:49] <Kilos> rather gift a kubuntu lappy
[10:49] <mazal> Not in this case Kilos , she won't manage that
[10:49] <Kilos> then you can spend time teaching her
[10:50] <mazal> Is there a way I can id the graphics chip with ubuntu life cd ? cli command maybe ?
[10:50]  * inetpro looks at the German interpretation of the word gift 
[10:51] <Kilos> lspci comes to mind
[10:51] <magellanic> I put my dad on mint for the last 2 years, he got used to it
[10:51] <Kilos> tell him magellanic  
[10:51] <inetpro> mazal: that would be like poisoning someone 
[10:51] <mazal> Don't judge , you don't know the situation guys
[10:52] <inetpro> ai tog! 
[10:52] <Kilos> ya but we are allowed to tease you till you blush
[10:52] <mazal> This person can hardly speak english , I won't be able to teach her linux , trust me
[10:53] <Kilos> we are twee talig
[10:53] <mazal> She has no internet to look for help
[10:53] <mazal> And I don't live close to help her
[10:53] <Kilos> shame
[10:53] <inetpro> uh, like Linux does not support more languages than any other technologies? 
[10:54] <mazal> She will have no support , so it simply isn't an option
[10:54] <Kilos> i understand that
[10:54] <mazal> Not gonna dump her into deep end like that
[10:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:55] <inetpro> is a Linux that bad still, after all these years? 
[10:56] <Kilos> it is frightening  for those not willing to learn new stuff
[10:56]  * inetpro thought we crossed the ease of use barrier long ago 
[10:56] <mazal> inetpro, fact is , when you have to start with linux for the first time you must have someone to help or teach you. Either online or in person
[10:56] <mazal> That's just a fact
[10:56] <inetpro> really? 
[10:56] <mazal> yep
[10:57] <Kilos> donate a 3g dongle as well
[10:57] <mazal> OS itself is different , most apps is different , one has a lot of learning to do
[10:57] <inetpro> is it not even worse on Windows these days? 
[10:58] <Kilos> actually 7 isnt bad
[10:58] <Kilos> even i can run it but also with help from ian
[10:58] <inetpro> if a user has never used windows before, I'm sure Linux would be easier 
[10:58] <Kilos> yes
[10:58] <Kilos> kids in school are the ideal target
[10:59] <mazal> She already knows Windows like I said , so she doesn't need to learn that
[10:59] <inetpro> you get just half a machine to start with 
[10:59] <inetpro> the other half you still need to buy 
[11:00] <Kilos> he most likely has office too
[11:00] <inetpro> or it is just an illegal copy? 
[11:00] <mazal> anyway , let me get back to work
[11:02] <Kilos> inetpro  go see that wiki page
[11:02] <Kilos> im still learning
[11:06] <inetpro> Kilos: Screenshot posted on trello for the records 
[11:06] <magellanic> where's best to put an init script these days, /etc/rc2.d/ or should it be /etc/init/ ?
[11:06] <inetpro> :-) 
[11:07] <Kilos> ai!
[11:10] <Kilos> ai! you ask for screenshot them do it yourself
[11:11] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[11:11]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:12] <Kilos> ive no idea why paste and present isnt on a new line
[11:12] <Kilos> past
[11:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:16] <Kilos> Maaz  thanks man
[11:16] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[11:17] <Kilos> hi Yolandre  
[11:17] <Yolandre> Goeie dag.
[11:18] <Kilos> lol you been here before looks like
[11:18] <Yolandre> HEt enige iemand al Ubuntu Touch probeer?
[11:18] <Kilos> die foon?
[11:19] <Yolandre> Nee, wil dit graag op tablet laai, maar wil net eers huiswerk gedoen kry.
[11:20] <Kilos> byt vas miskien sien iemand en weet daarvan
[11:21] <Yolandre> Ek't baie opgelees en die kanse lyk maar baie skraal op die oomblik, veral omdat ek dit eers wil toets op ProLine AK888-13 voor ek dit op Dell Venue 7 doen.
[11:23] <Yolandre> Ek soek ook advies m.b.t. mail clients op Ubuntu. Sit met enorme uitdaging: ek wil die afgelope paar jaar reeds al ons korporatiewe werkstasies oorkskakel na Ubuntu, maar het probleme gehad om Internet Explorer op Ubuntu te laat loop en het te min tyd gehad om daarmee te speel.
[11:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:26] <Yolandre> Nou het ek Internet Explorer laat werk en die interaksie met 'n klient se stelsel is perfek. Ek en verskeie gebruikers lek lippe af en kan nie wag om almal oor te skakel na Ubuntu net om in een enorme probleem vas te loop... Op gemiddeld ontvang elke gebruiker sowat 20GB se e-pos per jaar waarvan niks delete mag word nie. Hoe gemaak wanneer jy POP3 gebruik op 'n EXT4 leerstelsel met 'n mail client wat slegs 4GB ondersteun?
[11:26] <Kilos> mail clients- thunderbird evolution and more
[11:27] <Yolandre> Thunderbird beweer hulle kan nou meer as 4GB mail stoor in 1 folder, maar dis twak - dit werk nie. Ek wil nou graag Evolution, maar vooraf indikasies dui daarop dat Evolutions slegs 2GB ondersteun. 
[11:29] <Kilos> ek los al my pos by gmail en evo op pop haal net die nuwes 
[11:30] <Yolandre> Ek het al my hoop op Thunderbird gehad, maar lees toe gister dat Mozilla amptelik die verdere ontwikkelling van Thunderbird gestaak het - klink amper asof Microsoft nou aandele in Mozilla het...
[11:32] <Kilos> ai!
[11:32] <Yolandre> Daar is kopiee van al die e-posse op 'n mail server, maar baie gebruikers doen off-line werk en wanneer hulle dan e-pos soek wat hulle reeds delete het sal dit rof gaan.
[11:33] <Yolandre> Ek sal maar Evolution probeer en kyk waar ons uitkom. Wat mens nie sal doen om van Microsoft ontslae te raak nie?
[11:33] <Kilos> lol
[11:33] <Yolandre> Wens alles was so gerieflik soos Mac...
[11:34] <Kilos> hoekom will hulle IE he?
[11:34] <Kilos> ek gebruik opera-browser
[11:36] <Yolandre> Jy kry mos nog developers wat dink in vandag se tye kan mens 'n web app maak net vir Internet Explorer... Kan nie die logika verstaan nie. Ek doen development van ons interne stelsel wat tot beskikking van al ons kliente gestel word. Ek het nie development team soos die spesifieke klient nie en alles is cross platform en multiple browser compatible.
[11:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:38] <Yolandre> So, wat interne gebruik betref kan ons gebruikers absoluut enige operating system of enige browser gebruik. Ongelukkig kan ek nie die 1 klient voorskryf oor hoe hulle behoort te develop nie. Maar, soos genoem het ek IE op Ubuntu aan die loop en alle toetsing tot hede was suksesvol.
[11:39] <Kilos> dis darem iets
[11:39] <Yolandre> My groot uitdaging is nou om 'n Ubuntu compatible mail client te kry wat 80GB+ se mails kan fasiliteer.
[11:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:40] <Yolandre> Baie tempted om eie mail client te develop... Net genoeg tyd het...
[11:40] <Kilos> tyd is almal se probleem
[11:40] <Kilos> te min daarvan
[11:41] <Yolandre> Presies!
[12:05] <captine> 80 gigs of mails... wow
[12:05] <Kilos> lol
[12:05] <Kilos> lots hey
[12:06] <Kilos> he should run his own mail server
[12:21] <captine> was thinking that.
[12:22] <captine> maybe Kolab
[12:23] <Kilos> tell him when he comes back, he too clever for me to help
[12:25] <superfly> why is he even storing that mail on the PC's? He should be running a mail server that stores it all there
[12:39] <Kilos> hi __rama__  
[12:39] <Kilos> hehe
[12:42] <__rama__> Lol, hello.
[12:50] <Kilos> thats the weirdist nick
[12:51] <mazal> Skielik is ek lus vir 'n brooidtjie :)
[12:51] <__rama__> Kilos, Yes and with that comes uniqueness.
[12:52] <__rama__> :)
[12:53] <__rama__> mazal, my nickname is derived from the Hindu god, Rama, the seventh avatar of Hindu god Vishnu.
[12:53] <__rama__> I meant its derived from Rama. 
[12:53] <Kilos> tell us about yourself __rama__  
[12:53] <superfly> As opposed to the margarine
[12:53] <Kilos> here rama is margerine
[12:53] <Kilos> lol
[12:54] <__rama__> superfly, yes.
[12:54] <__rama__> Kilos, I know. I live here. Lol.
[12:54] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:55] <__rama__> Kilos, what?
[12:55] <Kilos> now im trying to think who you might be
[12:55] <__rama__> Kilos, a human being I would say.
[12:56] <Kilos> you been here before?
[12:56] <__rama__> Kilos, I live in ZA.
[12:56] <Kilos> have you been here before
[12:57] <Kilos> on this channel
[12:57] <__rama__> Kilos, that makes more sense. No, I am still new to Ubuntu as a whole.
[12:57] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za then
[12:58] <Kilos> you can fill the whole with rama
[12:59] <__rama__> You mean hole?
[13:03] <Kilos> lol that too
[13:03] <__rama__> Haha
[13:03] <Kilos> if you need any help just explain what you need to know
[13:04] <Kilos> im busy atm but someone will help
[13:04] <__rama__> Cool, will do. :)
[13:14] <captine> ok.  merge proposed for ubuntu-za page update... :)
[13:25] <Kilos> good man captine  
[13:26] <Kilos> how good are you at wiki stuffs
[13:27] <captine> wiki?
[13:27] <captine> i was thinking of looking into it
[13:27] <Kilos> wiki page building
[13:27] <captine> esp for updating the pxe server instructions... struggle to get it working when following those instructions
[13:27] <Kilos> ive started one
[13:28] <captine> where?
[13:28] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[13:28] <Kilos> needs to grow
[13:28] <Kilos> all the || stuff || pops my head
[13:34] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax#Headings_and_table_of_contents
[13:34] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnHeadlines
[13:45] <captine> Kilos, that wiki stuff does look tricky
[13:46] <Kilos> lol
[13:46] <Kilos> imagine how i feel
[13:53] <Kilos> i tried making some wider  for like email addies but it didnt want to
[13:53] <Kilos> grrr
[13:54] <Kilos> maybe needs a long name in the heading
[13:59] <Kilos> hi smile  
[14:00] <Kilos> where you been
[14:00] <captine> Kilos, what needs to be done on the getting-involved page?
[14:00] <Kilos> captine  i dont know , something fly or pro thought up
[14:01] <Kilos> lol it needs tlc
[14:01] <captine> ok.  i am no pretty committee... but maybe it should just be thinned down or something
[14:01] <Kilos> give it a hug
[14:01] <captine> does look a bit rough
[14:02] <smile> hi ;)
[14:02] <smile> Kilos: in the deepest parts of the ocean
[14:03] <Kilos> oh well at least the johnny's didnt get you
[14:04] <Kilos> captine  what looks rough?
[14:04] <captine> the page (getting involved) looks to wide
[14:04] <captine> maybe needs to be narrowed somehow
[14:04] <Kilos> oh
[14:05] <captine> it still looks way better than the one I submitted for merge.  was definitely improved
[14:05] <Kilos> my opera shows the bottom 3 things one on top of the other but chrome shows them next to each other
[14:07] <Kilos> lemme see if i can see who said it needs tlc
[14:08] <Kilos> ah must be the fly
[14:08] <Kilos> looks good to me
[14:08] <Kilos> he sees lots i dont
[14:17] <magellanic> anyone works with munin?
[14:22] <Kilos> ya
[14:22] <Kilos> you mean on your own pc or by the munin peeps
[14:24] <Kilos> used it here to see what was making things slow
[14:25] <Kilos> i wonder where quassel@unaffiliated/hibana is hiding
[14:28] <magellanic> had issues with postgres wildcard plugins
[14:28] <magellanic> someone from #munin sorted it out
[14:28] <magellanic> ;)
[14:36] <Kilos> lol
[14:37] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  knows about that thing , he told me what to do
[14:38] <Kilos> quite a cool thing though, it showed my 1TB sata drive was slower than the rest of the pc
[14:38] <captine> Kilos, i will leave that page to the pro's to fix up.. :)
[14:39] <magellanic> yeah it is quite a cool thing
[14:40] <magellanic> ubuntu question, can unattended-upgrades be trusted to use to do nothing but security patches to a server? Reason I ask, the libc GHOST issue update didn't seem to be noticed by it (using --dry-run didn't suggest it as a security issue), but the libc changelog listed that it was a security update
[14:40] <Kilos> ok captine  ty. i will ask the fly what kinda tlc he has in mind
[14:42] <magellanic> so it seemed like the libc security fix wasn't in the security repo, which unattended-upgrades only looks at, is it generally trusted that all security updates go into the security repo
[14:42] <Kilos> ai!
[14:43] <Kilos> you using unity?
[14:43] <magellanic> me?
[14:43] <Kilos> ya
[14:43] <magellanic> no why
[14:43] <Kilos> oh its server
[14:43] <magellanic> yeah
[14:44] <Kilos> are you also against using aptitude?
[14:44] <Kilos> i like aptitude
[14:44] <magellanic> not really
[14:44] <magellanic> would use it
[14:44] <Kilos> aptitude update and aptitude upgrade
[14:44] <Kilos> aptitude is a very  user friendly tool
[14:45] <magellanic> so this server is 12.04 LTS, the last libc6 update was a security patch, but from the 'main' repo not 'security'
[14:45] <magellanic> I want to do nothing but security updates
[14:45] <Kilos> tells you whats needed and when it sees snags it gives options
[14:45] <Kilos> ask the fly when he gets here
[14:46] <magellanic> will do
[14:51] <Kilos> what other updates would a server get anyway
[14:51] <Kilos> surely its all security
[14:53] <magellanic> hmm
[14:53] <Kilos> you gotta add ...
[14:53] <Kilos> Maaz  hmm...
[14:53] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[14:54] <magellanic> I'll dig around a bit
[14:54] <magellanic> you make a good point
[14:54] <Kilos> there is a lekker server guide somewhere
[14:55] <Kilos> Maaz  google ubuntu server guide
[14:55] <Maaz> Kilos: "Ubuntu Server Guide - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/ :: "Ubuntu Server Guide - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/serverguide.pdf :: "Ubuntu Server Guide" http://ubuntuserverguide.com/ :: "Initial Server Setup with Ubuntu 14.04 | DigitalOcean"
[14:55] <Maaz> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/initial-server-setup-with-ubuntu-14-04 :: "Ubuntu Server Guide" http://www.cs.…
[14:56] <Kilos> ii think they advise using aptitude as well
[15:41] <magespawn> good evening
[15:41] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[15:42] <Kilos> wow mag tab worked
[15:43] <magespawn> shouldn't, should still need to do it twice
[15:44] <magespawn> any way
[15:44] <magespawn> i trying out the kubuntu 14.10
[15:45] <magespawn> seems to be working quite well so far
[15:45] <Kilos> ah
[16:13] <magespawn> right back again
[16:13] <Kilos> wb
[16:14] <magespawn> just taking a online tour of kubuntu, to see what what
[16:14] <Kilos> lol
[16:17] <magespawn> the navigation is somewhat different
[16:19] <magespawn> and only one desktop to start with, it looks like
[16:20] <Kilos> you have to go enable them somewhere
[16:20] <Kilos> in settings
[16:20] <magespawn> i think so, just learning how it all opens and closes at the moment
[16:20] <Kilos> workspace behaviour i think
[16:23] <magespawn> cool i'll have a look
[16:28] <magespawn> right got it going like a king now
[16:28] <Kilos> good
[16:30] <magespawn> set the right hand side of the screen to show all desktops, and the top left to show all open windows in the current desktop
[16:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:31] <magespawn> i like this, very cool, would work like a dream on a touch screen
[16:31] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <magespawn> now just to set up irssi themes, tweek the settings abit and we will be good to go
[16:37] <magespawn> what are you using Kilos? i forget
[16:37] <Kilos> 14.04 kde
[16:37] <Kilos> oh konversation
[16:38] <magespawn> i did mean the os for a change
[16:38] <Kilos> lol
[16:39] <Kilos> i could stay on this forever, very stable an unbreakable
[16:39] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[16:39] <Kilos> magellanic  ^^
[16:40] <magellanic> I absolutely love mint and cinnamon
[16:40] <Kilos> sigh  ask the fly man about the security stuffs
[16:43] <magespawn> will do, google is your friend remember
[16:43] <magellanic> will do when back, need to run shortly
[16:43] <Kilos> ok
[16:44] <magellanic> later folks :)
[16:44] <Kilos> go well
[16:53] <magespawn> bbl going to some paper reading
[17:07] <inetpro> Kilos: can it be that difficult?
[17:07] <inetpro> see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[17:18] <Kilos> who is that nick oke
[17:19] <Kilos> only one thats joined today is the margerine man
[17:21] <Kilos> now set it so that it sorts nicks by join date
[17:21] <Kilos> pretty please
[17:22] <Kilos> and add a big name like the heavy spark
[17:23] <Kilos> and the top line should be in bold text i think
[17:23] <Kilos> what do you say
[17:24] <Kilos> oh you got the past and present sorted as well , danke
[17:37] <Kilos> now he hides again
[17:41] <inetpro> really?
[17:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> smile, it might never happen
[17:47] <Kilos> ty inetpro  you can be the first name there
[17:48] <Kilos> i tried making empty lines ai!
[17:48] <__rama__> Kilos, really? Margerine man? Lmao!
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <Kilos> __rama__  you must join our mailing list
[17:49] <Kilos> and definitely add this channel as your favourite
[17:50] <Kilos> heres a link for you
[17:50] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org/
[17:53] <__rama__> I've subscribed.
[17:53] <Kilos> cool
[17:53] <Kilos> what all can you do?
[17:54] <Kilos> we need wiki editors
[17:54] <Kilos> and bzr and nikola peeps
[17:55] <Kilos> so next move would be to get trello
[17:55] <__rama__> Um yeah, I won't be able to do much this year to help you out guys as I am doing my honours this year and time is something that is in very short supply. Maybe in June and July I'll be able to help out more but at this moment I cannot help much...
[17:56] <Kilos> we understand and wish you all the best
[17:56] <Kilos> study hard
[17:56] <__rama__> Thank you, much appreciated. Indeed, I shall. I am aiming for cum laude.
[17:57] <Kilos> great
[17:57] <__rama__> Yep. :)
[18:12] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[18:12] <mazal> Evening all
[18:13] <inetpro> Maaz: tell captine I like your changes... merged it... now we just need to wait for superfly to apply to production
[18:13] <Maaz> inetpro: Got it, I'll tell captine on freenode
[18:27] <inetpro> Maaz: nickometer __rama__afk
[18:27] <Maaz> inetpro: __rama__afk is 99.1% lame
[18:27] <inetpro> ai!
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: what's happening with the sharks game?
[18:28] <inetpro> gremble: wb
[18:28] <Kilos> 15/12
[18:28] <Kilos> we lead 
[18:28] <gremble> Hey inetpro 
[18:28] <Maaz> gremble: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell gremble You are supposed to say goodnight before leaving" 21 hours, 36 minutes and 33 seconds ago
[18:28] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[18:29] <Kilos> haha 
[18:29] <inetpro> come sharks!!!
[18:29]  * mazal takes a break from talinite hunting and sips a coffee
[18:30] <Kilos> they struggling, raining lots there
[18:30] <inetpro> we can't allow these lions to win this game
[18:30] <gremble> talinite sounds like a mineral. Minerals aren't hunted
[18:30] <gremble> Are we playing rugby?
[18:30] <mazal> gremble: it feels like a hunt :P
[18:30] <Kilos> ya
[18:30] <Kilos> mazal  have you made that machine that finds stuff
[18:31] <mazal> The node detector ?
[18:31] <Kilos> i forget , well ask graeme monday
[18:31] <mazal> I have one , but works way too slow
[18:32] <mazal> Even the 2 quarries can't keep up 
[18:32] <mazal> In the time they find 10 I find 100
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <mazal> My game runs in slow mo mode mos , only runs at 30% speed. So quarries takes forever , manual much faster
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:34] <mazal> And nobody knows why it runs like that , tried everything myself and the minetest guys could think of , nothing works to fix it
[18:34] <Kilos> wow
[18:35] <mazal> Very irritating
[18:36] <mazal> Always have to wait long for furnaces , grinders , alloy , quarries , centrifuge , trees , basically everything takes more than 3 times longer to complete their processes
[18:39]  * mazal continues hunting
[18:39] <inetpro> mazal: your USB HDD will slow it down
[18:40] <inetpro> surely?
[18:40] <Kilos> will munin see where its being held up?
[18:44] <mazal> inetpro: That's not it , even tried different pc's , different drives , both internal en external , even tried different os , event tried different mode , nothing works
[18:44] <mazal> In the end , after a whole list of things tried and tested , the general consencus was that something is wrong in the world itself
[18:45] <inetpro> ahh, start a fresh world
[18:45] <mazal> That's what everyone said in the end
[18:45] <inetpro> :-)
[18:45] <mazal> But 10 months of work , loads of buildings and networks
[18:45] <Kilos> ai!
[18:45] <mazal> no way
[18:46] <mazal> And since the problem could not be identified , what's not to say it happens again with that world
[18:46] <Kilos> well when you get very irritated then look what you can help with on trello
[18:46] <mazal> So I decided to just live with it
[18:46] <inetpro> clr: wb
[18:47] <Kilos> hi clr  
[18:47] <clr> hey, you never disappoint
[18:47] <clr> how are you
[18:47] <clr> ?
[18:47] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[18:47] <mazal> I can mostly deal with doing everything again , except the centrifuge system and the 30k mine. Can't do that again :P
[18:48] <mazal> hi clr
[18:48] <clr> fine, playing around with seahorse, getting a file permission error
[18:48] <clr> hi mazal
[18:49] <inetpro> mazal: why not?
[18:49] <clr> so I am trying to import my pgp keys that I have in two text docs like clr.private.key  and clr.public.key
[18:49] <Kilos> inetpro  27/12 and 3 mins to go
[18:50] <clr> and if I import any with seahorse I get 'failed to create temporary file'.
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: yay!
[18:50] <mazal> Mining 30 000 nodes deep again , that was a huge job , and building the centrifuge system , that is just a plain pain in the nr plate
[18:50] <clr> seems that ~/.gnupg belogns to root and seahorse is run as me
[18:51] <clr> so is it OK to change permissions of .gnupg to myself?
[18:51] <Kilos> bgeter get help from pro
[18:51] <Kilos> better
[18:51] <clr> Anyone feel free to jump in
[18:51] <Kilos> i chown wrong things
[18:53] <clr> hehe therefore my post here, was hoping someone can tell me that it is ok
[18:53] <Kilos> is it just that one file
[18:53] <inetpro> clr: it's in your home folder?
[18:54] <inetpro> why would it belong to root?
[18:54] <clr> maybe I'll import it with cli and then I do it as root in anycase
[18:54] <clr> yes
[18:54] <clr> ~/.gnupg
[18:54] <inetpro> sudo chown clr:clr ~/.gnupg
[18:55] <inetpro> clr: that is if your username is clr
[18:56] <clr> ja, that is what I want to do, actually saw on the web sudo chown -r clr:clr  ~/.gnupg
[18:56] <clr> so changing everything in there
[18:57] <mazal> Kilos: Is there a " Why Ubuntu ? " section yet ?
[18:57] <clr> but was concerned that it would maybe stuff it up for some other keys e.g. I see hplip keys in there
[18:57] <inetpro> ahh.. it's a folder as well? Then use -R
[18:57] <inetpro> sudo chown -R clr:clr ~/.gnupg
[18:57] <inetpro> should all belong to you
[18:58] <Kilos> go see mazal  https://ubuntu-za.org/
[18:58]  * mazal go look
[18:58] <clr> suppose it's easy enough to change it back
[18:58] <inetpro> root should not own anything beyond your home folder
[18:59] <inetpro> and if files there are owned by root then you did something wrong to start with
[18:59] <mazal> Kilos: Looking really good
[19:01] <Kilos> net gone slow to wiki
[19:01] <Kilos> oh inetpro  it moves the || to suite whats typed in there
[19:01] <Kilos> automagically
[19:02] <mazal> Kilos: I was thinking , maybe a section where members here can give testimonials of why they like Ubuntu , or is that not the place for something like that ?
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: noooooooo!!!!!
[19:02] <Kilos> oh my
[19:02] <Kilos> i dunno mazal  
[19:03] <Kilos> we could maybe make a wiki page for that and  just put the link in the site
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: please don't post my email address on public pages, ever!!!!
[19:04]  * inetpro gets enough spam as it is
[19:04] <Kilos> oh ok sorry
[19:04] <Kilos> should we just remove the email place then?
[19:05] <Kilos> im sure you arent on your own with that feeling
[19:05] <mazal> Indeed
[19:05] <inetpro> yes, maybe a better idea that
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: there's no magic about the ||
[19:06] <Kilos> didnt they move?
[19:07] <Kilos> im sure it got wider than the name one
[19:08] <inetpro> Kilos: it's just a wiki shortcut to put things into HTML tables, tables work like that... rows and colums are aligned
[19:08] <Kilos> it did
[19:08] <inetpro> unless you mess it up on purpose
[19:08] <Kilos> oh
[19:11] <Kilos> will it sort things alphabetically as well
[19:12] <Kilos> or by dates
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[19:15] <inetpro> unfortunately the MoinMoin wiki syntax is very basic
[19:15] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:17] <Kilos> now the big work starts getting all the names
[19:17] <Kilos> where is my maia
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: but if you are very, very desperate and you really, really want it then it should be possible
[19:18] <inetpro> see: https://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/SortableTables
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <clr> ok inetpro, I tried that but then started getting messages about unsafe permission on .gnupg directory. so I just changed it back and imported the keys using command line.
[19:19] <Kilos> i think i glanced there this morning but it frightened me
[19:19] <clr> Shall see if they appear in seahorse
[19:19] <inetpro> clr: hmm... very strange that
[19:20] <inetpro> but what is seahorse anyway?
[19:20] <clr> check permissions on your .gnupg?
[19:20] <clr>  it's the ubuntu gui for passwords and keys
[19:21] <Kilos> i can open mine in home
[19:21] <clr> no, nothing shows up in here
[19:21] <inetpro> ai!
[19:21] <Kilos> and if you make it show hidden?
[19:22] <inetpro> ahh... GNOME front end for GnuPG
[19:22]  * inetpro has never used it
[19:23] <Kilos> i can see everything in gpg.conf
[19:23] <Kilos> the others want to know what to open it with
[19:23] <inetpro> really seems odd to have anything with root permissions in your home folder
[19:25] <inetpro> clr: maybe the following can help? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/321287
[19:40] <Kilos> funny how with trello you dont need to reload to see things that have changed
[19:43]  * Kilos needs to sleep
[19:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:06] <clr> inetpro that bug basically directs you to delete the .gnupg folder and then re-run seahorse as yourself
[20:07] <clr> So I exported the keys using cli, deleted that folder, ran seahorse and then imported the keys from seahorse
[20:07] <clr> All ok now
[20:31] <inetpro> clr: nice! 
[20:31] <inetpro> thanks for the feedback 
[20:33] <inetpro> superfly: thinking about captine's poll, perhaps there's a better way to handle polls 
[20:34] <inetpro> please have a look and make a call whether to make it live or not 
[21:12] <Squirm> Evening
[21:18] <clr> Evening Squirm, welcome.  Sorry, can't chat, need to go
[21:19] <Squirm> Enjoy