[08:58] <FKorstyZZ> Welcome
[08:58] <FKorstyZZ> Halo
[13:44] <dpakkia> ciao
[13:45] <dpakkia> hallo
[13:45] <dpakkia> hello
[15:14] <eriberto> someone speake spanish
[15:17] <eriberto> The thing is i m instaling ubunto studio 14. en my pcis a little slow
[15:17] <eriberto> now, what can i do
[17:21] <Bernhard_L> Hello you. Problem with hysdrogen.
[17:21] <Bernhard_L> CAnnot completely mute instruments.
[17:21] <Bernhard_L> Why is it?
[17:22] <holstein> i will need more information
[17:22] <holstein> i assume you mean the hydrogen drum machine?
[17:22] <holstein> the virtual drum machine?
[17:22] <holstein> and how are you listening to what exactly? and how/why are you muting what where?
[17:22] <holstein> Bernhard_L: ^
[17:23] <Bernhard_L> I try to capture i.e. the snare with Ardour. And not the whole drumline.
[17:23] <holstein> sure
[17:23] <Bernhard_L> To give it a seperate flange.
[17:23] <holstein> Bernhard_L: in hydrogen, you can seperate the outputs.. a channel per instrument
[17:23] <holstein> i would do it that way, and route what you like where you like
[17:24] <Bernhard_L> And if i hit the solo button, then the other instruments are only lowered a littel.
[17:24] <holstein> rather than, a stereo sum and muting in hydrogen
[17:24] <holstein> Bernhard_L: sure. please use seperate outputs per instrument, and route them as you please to ardour
[17:24] <Bernhard_L> Yes muting in hydrogen does not work.
[17:24] <holstein> Bernhard_L: i understand that, friend
[17:24] <Bernhard_L> How can a
[17:24] <holstein> Bernhard_L: please, *dont* use mute like that
[17:24] <Bernhard_L> holstein, how can I do this?
[17:25] <holstein> Bernhard_L: in the menu, in hydrogen, as i state above, you will see how to give *each* instrument a seperate output channel
[17:25] <holstein> Bernhard_L: you can then route the snare, seperate, as you please. and want
[17:25] <holstein> without the need for mute
[17:25] <Bernhard_L> holstein, I gonna look.
[17:27] <Bernhard_L> holstein, wow, great.
[17:27] <holstein> thats a "better" way to input into ardour, anyway
[17:29] <holstein> arguably..
[17:30] <holstein> its preferable, since, you can "render" the same from ardour that would be rendered with the stereo output from hydrogen, but, you have more granular control over the mix, before its rendered from ardour
[17:33] <Bernhard_L> holstein, thank you.
[19:22] <rich_> Problem with Reaper crashing after the completion of a render.  I am new to reaper in linux. Is there an easy fix?
[19:23] <rich_> error not just in render. error reads, can be caused by a problem or a deficiency in Wine.
[19:25] <ObrienDave> you might ask in #winehq
[19:25] <rich_> yes, reading there as well as reapers wiki as I monitor here.
[19:26] <studio-user712> hello?
[19:26] <rich_> .
[19:26] <studio-user712> I'm new in ubuntu-studio
[19:26] <studio-user712> and I like it so much
[19:27] <rich_> welcome, jump in the water is fine.  but deep.
[19:27] <studio-user712> is this like a chat of the ubuntu- studio-users?
[19:27] <rich_> a lot like that if you want it to be.
[19:27] <rich_> life is abstract.
[19:27] <studio-user712> :)
[19:30] <rich_> don't mind my silence studio-user712 . I am working in the other monitor.
[19:31] <studio-user712> ok
[19:31] <ObrienDave> it is more of a support channel rather than idle chat
[19:31] <studio-user712> well, I thing I have no quests
[19:31] <rich_> Does that mean we are screwing with someones pretty log file ObrienDave ?
[19:34] <rich_> I like studio and it's defaults.  Kind of surprised that it was written with xfce as the desktop and not kde.
[19:35] <ObrienDave> xfce is 'lighter' than kde
[19:35] <rich_> yes but audio, video, photography, and publishing people all have powerful desktops
[19:37] <Jmainguy> I run xfce on mine
[19:37] <Jmainguy> its a pentium 4, 3.0ghz
[19:37] <Jmainguy> if I have chromium open it crawls
[19:37] <rich_> I am still setting up studio here.  what is Ubuntu's gui answer to inxi ? I forgot.
[19:37] <Jmainguy> but if I just have patchage and some guitar effects it gets by
[19:37] <Jmainguy> I really should upgrade the box
[19:40] <rich_> build your own putter is again the way to go. component prices have come down in relation to built boxes.
[19:41] <rich_> The answer to my question is "hardinfo"
[19:43] <rich_> just a i5-4690 here Jmainguy quad core 3.5 gig
[19:43] <Jmainguy> nice
[19:43] <Jmainguy> yeah I am thinking of buying an adapter for my work laptop
[19:44] <Jmainguy> and just running ubuntu studio in dual boot for when I want to do music stuff
[19:44] <rich_> with a pro ssd drive to make it fast. spinners for archives.
[19:44] <Jmainguy> I got a emu 1616m box I need to plug into the puter
[19:44] <rich_> I run two distro's on the ssd drive and a spinner for windows.
[19:45] <rich_> that emu is a lot like my rme multiface, right?
[19:46] <holstein> i dont want to track audio to an ssd
[19:46] <holstein> its not specifically helpful, since, i dont need the increase in performance and speed for that work flow
[19:46] <Jmainguy> yeah, its awesine for audio
[19:46] <holstein> accessing samples would ne noticable
[19:46] <Jmainguy> and I can plug my guitar into it, and have ubuntu studio act as a guitar pedal
[19:47] <rich_> I agree on keeping the audio on spinners until you get to a critical number of tracks. I seldom run more than 4.
[19:47] <holstein> if you need more speed, you need more speed
[19:47] <holstein> i dont
[19:47] <holstein> but, the price is more comparable, as well
[19:48] <rich_> It is so nice about hard drive prices. I can finally quit burning dvd's
[19:49] <holstein> i still burn sessions to bluray
[19:49] <holstein> its nice to have them in a different location.. the 3 2 1 rule
[19:49] <holstein> putting them on another hard drive doesnt protect from everything
[19:49] <rich_> I stopped all dvd burning and went to a linux lvm based nas.
[19:50] <holstein> if i need a DVD, i burn one
[19:50] <holstein> a "Nas" doesnt address everything a simple DVD can
[19:50] <holstein> if you want/need something offsite
[19:50] <Jmainguy> remote server
[19:51] <holstein> remote server can..
[19:51] <rich_> linux partitioned as lvm allows for a mirror to a second drive without even playing the raid game.
[19:51] <holstein> sure
[19:51] <Jmainguy> use owncloud, and it manages backing up to your own external cloud
[19:51] <holstein> none of which do anything offsite
[19:51] <Jmainguy> you can do software raid without lvm as well
[19:52] <Jmainguy> but yeah, backing up to an external server is my personal preference
[19:52] <holstein> if its "sensitive", it may not be preferred.. depends
[19:52] <Jmainguy> if you control the external server
[19:52] <rich_> want offsite? a quad core raspberry pi burning 3 watts is a perfect cloud. www.peetbog.com  I use ssh to access it.
[19:52] <holstein> certainly fine for audio sessions.. but, they are large.. and if you pay for transfer, then it can add up
[19:52] <Jmainguy> yeah, I use a cheap dedi with hetzner
[19:52] <holstein> rich_: if i need offsite, i use offsite
[19:53] <Jmainguy> 10tb of traffic a month included, 6tb, 32 gig of ram, all for about $40 usd
[19:53] <holstein> im just saying, using a nas, or raid, facilitates what it facilitates.. its not a "backup" if the facility burns down
[19:53] <holstein> Jmainguy: yeah, thats not bad
[19:53] <Jmainguy> or burglars
[19:53] <rich_> offsite to me means locked and fireproof. not a second address.
[19:53] <holstein> yup ^
[19:53] <holstein> rich_: sure.. offsite to you, should mean, just that
[19:54] <Jmainguy> offsite is definitly a second address
[19:54] <holstein> rich_: its also not "Fireproof"..
[19:54] <Jmainguy> backing up to another computer in your house is a step in the right direction though for sure
[19:54] <holstein> rich_: its not advertised to be.. you'll mirror at another location, and hope both dont burn at  same time.. or get stolen
[19:54] <Jmainguy> thats the idea, its unlikley both die in the same day
[19:54] <holstein> yup
[19:54] <Jmainguy> it is of course a possibility
[19:54] <Jmainguy> but lower
[19:54] <holstein> likely "good enough"..
[19:55] <holstein> its enough of a possibility to not assume its "bullet proof".. knowing facts, and not expecting magic is important
[19:55] <rich_> I need to keep moving more secure.  I sure am better than when I was tossing dvd's around the studio.
[19:55] <Jmainguy> yeah for sure
[19:56] <holstein> something that specificall facilitates security is key
[19:56] <holstein> it *can* be safer to "toss a DVD around the studio" than put them up somewhere not secure
[19:57] <rich_> It is nice that burglers will go for the tablets and screens and not worry about desktops and media these days.  oh and number one they go for guns.
[19:58] <Jmainguy> true
[19:58] <holstein> sure, but, again, thats an assumption
[19:58] <Jmainguy> yup
[19:58] <holstein> you cant base a level of security on an assumption
[19:58] <Jmainguy> eh
[19:58] <Jmainguy> all of security relies on assumptions I would argue
[19:58] <holstein> "security through obscurity" as they say, is no security at all
[19:58] <rich_> I am pretty sure that all burglers will first go looking under the stairs to the basement.
[19:59] <holstein> though, its something to put in the loop, when possible.. to not be "low hanging fruit"
[19:59] <Jmainguy> yup
[19:59] <holstein> rich_: sure.. but, thats the issue.. "pretty sure"
[19:59] <holstein> rich_: you cant assume that, and if you do, you can be wrong. and there will be *nothing* to do to address the issue, if you were wrong, which is plausible
[19:59] <Jmainguy> everyone has different needs for stuff as well
[19:59] <holstein> yup
[20:00] <rich_> yea,
[20:00] <holstein> its always a balance
[20:00] <rich_> time to finish the wifi link to my rental house garage I guess.
[20:00] <Jmainguy> =)
[20:01] <rich_> well back to fighting the grimm reaper in red wine sauce. catch you all later.
[20:02] <Jmainguy> take care man
[21:28] <Guest6649> Hi...I'm a TOTAL newbie - so forgive me.  I'm trying to resolve issues with Jack disabling audio in other applications, and also with Jack NOT recording audio in Ardour.
[21:31] <OvenWerks> Guest6649: Jack is supposed to disable audio in other programs. The Pulse->jack bridge will send audio to jack, but the jack sink needs to made default.
[21:32] <Guest6649> So are you saying Jack can only be used with one application at a time?
[21:32] <OvenWerks> Guest6649: not at all. Just all the applications have to use jack as their output.
[21:33] <OvenWerks> The default audio server is pulse, which mixes all the outputs into one output.
[21:33] <Guest6649> So does that mean that when I watch YouTube, I have to configure Jack to run with my internet browser?
[21:34] <OvenWerks> When Jack starts it steals the audio device from pulse and so pulse can't do that.
[21:34] <Guest6649> Can I disable Pulse?
[21:34] <OvenWerks> There is included the pulse->jack brideg which lets pulse see jack as it's output device.
[21:34] <Guest6649> Where do I find that bridge...and how do I configure it?
[21:35] <OvenWerks> So instead of setting the audio device in pulse for output use jacksink
[21:35] <OvenWerks> Assuming you started jack using qjackctl, you should find in the connections panel that pulse is already there
[21:36] <Guest6649> I'm opening Ardour...and I presume Jack starts automatically
[21:36] <Guest6649> Is that NOT true?
[21:37] <OvenWerks> At the systray where the little audio icon is (looks like a speaker) if you click that the menu has sound settings. That is where you set pulse to point at jack.
[21:38] <OvenWerks> There are two versions of jack  :(  Jackd and jackdbus. The one that acts right with pulse is jackdbus. The one Ardour starts is jackd.
[21:38] <Guest6649> How do I envoke jackdbus?
[21:39] <OvenWerks> The first problem is now that you have started jackd, it needs to be stopped as closing Adour will leave it running. killall -9 jackd shold work fine.
[21:40] <Guest6649> There are NO inputs mentioning anything about Pulse in that speaker configuration panel.  As for your subsequent advice...I DID kill Jack...and that worked...for a while
[21:40] <Guest6649> Now I'm NOT getting any audio from YouTube
[21:40] <OvenWerks> normally the best thing is to start jack before you start any jack using application. If you use qjackctl, it uses jackdbus by default.
[21:41] <Guest6649> That I understand
[21:41] <Guest6649> I will try that again.  However...
[21:41] <OvenWerks> Most jack aware programs will start jackd for you if there is not one running.
[21:42] <Guest6649> The main problem is, when I start jack - then open Ardour, I get no audio input in the recording window
[21:42] <OvenWerks> What are you using for audio input?
[21:43] <OvenWerks> Are you trying to record a mic?
[21:43] <Guest6649> Mic in from the laptop...and I also have a Mackie Mixer which I can use
[21:43] <Guest6649> Is Linux disabling my laptop microphone?
[21:44] <Guest6649> I have a Dell Studio 1737
[21:44] <OvenWerks> Ok, I am not real good at axplaining this one... but anyway: The level may be set in the ALSA mixer part of things
[21:45] <OvenWerks> I think the mic level is low by default.
[21:45] <OvenWerks> Normally pulse sets the mic off if no application s using it.
[21:46] <OvenWerks> The best place to look is in alsamixer in a terminal.
[21:46] <Guest6649> Levels are all set to 100% in the "speaker sound" button on top
[21:46] <OvenWerks> Yes but this is inputs
[21:47] <Guest6649> As for "terminal"...you might as well be speaking "Greek".  I no nothing about Linux commands - as I'm a total newbie...sorry
[21:47] <Guest6649> Yes I checked "inputs".  All looks normal there.
[21:48] <OvenWerks> Inputs in sound settings?
[21:49] <Guest6649> Give me Adobe Audition, Sound Forge...etc...I can work those fine.  I'm trying to ditch my Windows machines and try Linux; but I see Linux still has problems with using audio.
[21:49] <Guest6649> Yes...Inputs in "sound settings".
[21:49] <Guest6649> Do you have any experience with "A/V" Linux?
[21:50] <OvenWerks> No I don't
[21:50] <Guest6649> I don't think it has anything to do with Ubuntu
[21:50] <OvenWerks> It will use a lot of the same applications for audio.
[21:50] <db> Hi
[21:51] <Guest6649> I really want to like Ubuntu; but for what I do (mainly studio work), I need something reliable and user friendly
[21:51] <OvenWerks> There is a learning curve for sure.
[21:51] <Guest6649> I DO very much appreciate your help though.
[21:51] <db_> bigupmusic
[21:51] <Guest6649> Learning curve is an UNDERSTATEMENT! L.O.L.
[21:52] <OvenWerks> I started all analog so the thought patern is much the same.
[21:53] <Guest6649> Ha! Ha!  I cut my teeth on reel to reel & slicing tape myself, having come from a background in radio
[21:53] <OvenWerks> The idea of having wires going from one place to the next and changing wiring from take to take is not new. So it didn't seem that hard when I started I guess.
[21:56] <OvenWerks> In radio, the general layout of wiring is fixed. Unless you are engineering staff. This is sort of like setting up the wiring in the first place.
[21:58] <OvenWerks> Often the best place to start is with a fresh session. (logout and in) then start qjackctl. It may need to be set to the audio device you are using if there is more than one (it sounds like you are using the internal so it should be ok)
[22:00] <OvenWerks> There is a start jack button in the topleft of the qjackctl window that actually starts jack.
[22:01] <OvenWerks> In the display window you should see a yellow "Active" word when it is running.
[22:02] <OvenWerks> There is a connections button that opens a connections pannel where you should see pulseaudio and system on each side
[22:03] <OvenWerks> There are probably some lines crossing eachother that join the two sides together.
[22:03] <OvenWerks> Then start Ardour and because jackdbus is already running it will not try to start jack for you.
[22:03] <OvenWerks> It will use the one already running.
[22:06] <OvenWerks> In Ardour you need to create an audio track
[22:08] <OvenWerks> Noramally a first track will auto connect to the first available input track on the device (left normally) but this can be set either from qjackctl or from the ardout track itself (which is recomended)
[22:12] <OvenWerks> am i making sense?
[22:13] <Guest6649> Sorry, I got interrupted by a phone call.  Thank you so much for all your advice.  I will try some of it shortly.  What you said makes perfect sense.  I'll keep you posted.  Hope to talk to you again soon.
[22:13] <OvenWerks> ok
[22:13] <Guest6649> P.S. Where are you located?  I'm down here in South Florida.
[22:14] <OvenWerks> Vancouver Island in Canada
[22:14] <Guest6649> Cool!  Hope to talk to you again soon.  Thanks again for your help!  Cheers!
[22:16] <OvenWerks> bye
[22:21] <bigupmusic> HI
[22:21] <OvenWerks> o/
[22:22] <bigupmusic> just started with ubuntustudio...it's awesome
[22:22] <OvenWerks> glad you like it.
[22:23] <bigupmusic> yeah! greetings from Kiel, Germany ... BigUpMusic.com Headquarters ... :D
[22:24] <OvenWerks> Greetings from Canada west coast
[22:24] <Patero-ng> british columbia
[22:25] <Patero-ng> my uncle lives in montreal since 2007