[05:54] <Kilos> morning all of you
[05:56] <Kilos> Maaz  728/7
[05:56] <Maaz> Kilos: 104.0
[05:57] <Kilos> good month data wise
[06:55] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[06:55] <Kilos> sorry very busy
[06:56] <Kilos> learning to edit the edits of my edits sjoe
[06:56] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[06:56] <gremble> Nice
[06:56] <Kilos> eish no its horrible
[06:56] <gremble> I'm trying to find matric syllabus for mathematics
[06:56] <Kilos> oh my
[06:57] <Kilos> what did you forget
[06:58] <gremble> Nothing. I'm teaching a man that is redoing matric in June and I don't know what he needs to know
[06:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:39] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[07:39] <Tonberry> hi
[07:50] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  
[07:50] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos 
[07:51] <Kilos> busy cutting up meat for a curry atm but you welcome to go add at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[07:52]  * nlsthzn goes and has a look
[07:55] <nlsthzn> done
[07:55] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[08:05] <Kilos> hehe tired already
[08:05] <Kilos> 4 hourly wakups are tough
[08:05] <nlsthzn> if only 4 hours >.<
[08:05] <nlsthzn> so far each early morning he decides to stay up for 4 hours >.<
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <Kilos> whats with the out of town
[08:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:07] <nlsthzn> :) well...
[08:07] <Kilos> supposed to be UAE man
[08:07] <nlsthzn> well that is close enough :p
[08:08] <Kilos> lol
[08:09] <Kilos> that thing is too wide now for me to work with, when the word wrap thing starts i get bamfoozled
[08:10] <Kilos> when you start thinking of gaming rather go add everyone you know
[08:10] <Kilos> iand look at trello
[08:10] <Kilos> lotsa work there
[08:19] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:19] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[08:19] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[09:16] <Kilos> so how come all the early peeps dont have wiki pages
[10:02] <Kilos> ai!
[10:05] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[10:05] <Kilos> and hello to you
[10:06] <Kilos> Maaz  its broken
[10:06] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[10:34] <Kilos> Maaz  its broken
[10:34] <Maaz> Well then Kilos Ping Mr. fixit
[10:34] <Kilos> hmm... let him have lunch first
[11:15] <Private_User> sad people
[11:15] <Private_User> SA lost
[11:15] <Private_User> :'(
[11:25] <Kilos> lol
[12:57] <inetpro> Kilos: how do you do that?
[12:58] <Kilos> i really dont know i added one more and it gave error stuffs
[12:59] <Kilos> can you see what the prob is
[12:59] <Kilos> i deleted the one i added but it didnt help
[13:00] <inetpro> please subscribe to the page so you can get emails when someone edited it
[13:01] <Kilos> oh
[13:01] <Kilos> wow thats taking long
[13:02] <inetpro> that's normal
[13:02] <inetpro> just hang in there
[13:02] <Kilos> its done , can you see what caused the prob?
[13:03] <inetpro> can you see that it's fixed?
[13:03] <Kilos> nope it now shows you all alone in a new bloack at the bottom
[13:03] <inetpro> you have magic ways to break it... don't know how you do it
[13:03] <Kilos> ai!
[13:04] <inetpro> can you RTFS please!?
[13:04] <Kilos> oh
[13:04] <Squirm> morning
[13:04] <Kilos> oh my
[13:04] <Kilos> hi squirm
[13:04] <inetpro> hi Squirm
[13:04] <inetpro> Kilos: and then, please explain column 1
[13:05] <Kilos> column 1 is to be able to number peeps as to when they joined
[13:05] <Kilos> then you can make it sort by numbers
[13:05] <Kilos> hehe
[13:06] <inetpro> Kilos: edit it using kate
[13:06] <Kilos> was that also n dumb idea
[13:06] <Kilos> uh
[13:07] <inetpro> with kate you press F10 to disable dynamic word wrap
[13:07] <Kilos> ya  kate should go withnumbers
[13:07] <inetpro> easier to see the columns
[13:07] <Kilos> im lost
[13:07] <inetpro> uh, how many members do you want to add?
[13:08] <Kilos> everyone that has joined za since it was formed
[13:08] <inetpro> ai!
[13:08] <inetpro> do you have any idea how many they are?
[13:08] <Kilos> if you do soemthing do it right right?
[13:09] <Kilos> about 80 or so
[13:10] <inetpro> why do this if you get https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members ?
[13:10] <Kilos> i entered crash kids info maybe the word crash broke it
[13:10] <Kilos> oh wow
[13:10] <inetpro> no you broke it, not the word crash
[13:11] <Kilos> how
[13:11] <Kilos> can you see where the error is?
[13:11] <Kilos> ok this changes everything
[13:11] <Kilos> that link you gave can be added to the site hey?
[13:12] <Kilos> or the link you gave added to bottom of the other one you just fixed
[13:19] <Kilos> how do you open it with kate inetpro  ?
[13:20] <Kilos> just open kate then copy/paste to it?
[13:22] <Squirm> Kilos: what are you trying to do?
[13:22] <Kilos> add peeps to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[13:23] <Kilos> easier for me to ask peeps to add them selves
[13:23] <Kilos> i break things
[13:23] <inetpro> Kilos, Kilos, Kilos
[13:23] <inetpro> go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[13:23] <inetpro> press Edit
[13:23] <inetpro> click inside edit area and press Ctrl+A to select all
[13:23] <inetpro> press Ctrl+C to copy
[13:23] <inetpro> open kate
[13:23] <inetpro> press Ctrl+V to paste
[13:23] <inetpro> press F10 to disable word wrap
[13:23] <inetpro> edit, edit, edit
[13:23] <inetpro> press Ctrl+A to select all again
[13:23] <inetpro> press Ctrl+C to copy
[13:24] <inetpro> go to wiki edit space and Ctrl+V to paste
[13:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:26] <Squirm> Where are you copying from?
[13:26] <inetpro> Squirm: 02/22 15:23:43 <inetpro> go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[13:26] <inetpro> 02/22 15:23:43 <inetpro> press Edit
[13:26] <Kilos> i did those from memory and from their wiki pages
[13:27] <inetpro> Squirm: oops, you asking Kilos where he got info from?
[13:27] <Squirm> inetpro: yep\
[13:27] <Kilos> lol nm inetpro  that points him in the right direction to help out
[13:27]  * inetpro still not sure what Kilos is trying to achieve with this
[13:28] <Kilos> eish why didnt you say you in the beginning
[13:28] <Kilos> saved days of headache that way
[13:28] <Kilos> but it looks good imo
[13:29] <inetpro> uh
[13:29] <Kilos> say so not say you
[13:30] <Kilos> head and hands work at different frequencies
[13:30] <inetpro> then please explain now
[13:30] <Kilos> explain what
[13:30] <inetpro> what are you trying to achieve?
[13:30] <inetpro> or what should I have said?
[13:31] <Kilos> think back , 
[13:31] <Kilos> i know its difficult
[13:31] <inetpro> Kilos being ambiguous again?
[13:31] <Kilos> but the aim was to add a link to our site to show members past and present
[13:31] <Kilos> Maaz  define ambiguous
[13:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Ambiguous \Am*big"u*ous\, a. [L. ambiguus, fr. ambigere to wander about, waver; amb- + agere to drive.] Doubtful or uncertain, particularly in respect to signification; capable of being understood in either of two or more possible senses; equivocal; as, an ambiguous course; an ambiguous expression. [1913 Webster]  What have been thy answers? What but dark,
[13:31] <Maaz> Ambiguous, and with double sense deluding? --Milton. [1913 Webster]  Syn: Doubtful; dubiou…
[13:32] <Kilos> lol
[13:32] <Kilos> ya me dubious
[13:32] <Kilos> and uncertain
[13:34] <Kilos> i didnt know about https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members
[13:35] <inetpro> ai!
[13:37]  * inetpro refrains from digging into the logs to find previous conversations
[13:37] <Kilos> lol
[13:37] <Kilos> i told you its all too much for me
[13:38] <inetpro> don't worry, I also forget
[13:38] <Kilos> but to be honest the wiki page is nicer to read than the launchpad one
[13:39] <Kilos> i can comment there
[13:40] <inetpro> Kilos: there's nothing wrong with your approach
[13:40] <inetpro> just need to talk to your inner self to get a logical goal that will be sustainable and easy to maintain
[13:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:41] <Kilos> methinks inner self is lying on the farm irtb
[13:41] <Kilos> in rtb
[13:49] <gremble> My machine is locked up so bad
[13:49] <Kilos> eish
[13:49] <gremble> The time isn't even going forward anymore
[13:50] <gremble> It's still stuck on 13:57
[13:50] <Kilos> is there a mathematical solution other than cold boot
[13:50] <Kilos> shutdown
[13:50] <gremble> Nope
[13:50] <Kilos> ai!
[13:50] <gremble> Just hard booted
[13:51] <gremble> I don't know why it did this
[13:51] <Kilos> ah thats what i was looking for
[13:51] <gremble> I wasn't doing anything that could have caused this
[13:51] <gremble> Lol update and chrome 
[13:51] <Kilos> read tail and cat logs
[13:51] <gremble> Windows
[13:52] <gremble> There are no nice things like that
[13:52] <Kilos> eish
[13:52] <gremble> Something is broken
[13:52] <gremble> :/
[13:52] <gremble> It's not booting
[14:00] <gremble> This the 3rd time that I have started this damned 2GB download
[14:00] <gremble> I am going to beat this computer to death
[14:04] <Kilos> lol
[14:04] <Kilos> dont you use downloadmanager
[14:05] <gremble> The program is downloading internally
[14:05] <gremble> It should have a download manager
[14:05] <Kilos> eish
[14:24] <confluency> gremble: you can get wget and curl for Windows.
[14:24] <Kilos> wow
[14:32] <gremble> still internal downloader of an app
[14:36] <Kilos> confluency  dont you want to add you at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members please? im bang to break it again
[14:39] <confluency> I think we have some formatting issues there.
[14:41] <confluency> Also, how is the login supposed to work? I just get a button without a form.
[14:49] <Kilos> oh my
[14:49] <Kilos> oh launchpad login i think
[14:54] <Kilos> inetpro  that other link shows launchpad join dates to ubuntu-za join dates
[14:54] <Kilos> surely those dates arent the same
[15:11] <confluency> There's nowhere I can see to enter an OpenID url.
[15:16] <Kilos> oh my
[15:17] <Kilos> ill ask the pro or fly, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members#preview are you trying with or without the preview thing
[15:18] <Kilos> try open another page then login to launchpad then only open the members page
[15:18] <Kilos> my browser remembers my openid so just goes in
[15:21] <Kilos> all these things are still beyond me
[15:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:36] <Kilos> i thought anyone can edit wiki pages
[15:37] <Kilos> gremble are you winning?
[15:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[15:51] <magespawn> hi Kilos, meeting this week tuesday i see
[15:51] <Kilos> yip
[15:54] <magespawn> i am going to have look after my data just in case, only got 200mb left
[15:54] <Kilos> ouch
[15:57] <magespawn> mmmm , that is just mobile data, i have adsl access most of the time,so it should not be a problem.
[15:58] <magespawn> this new install wants a whole load of updates too, but not over mobile
[16:02]  * Squirm yawns
[16:02] <Squirm> Load shedding at 8pm :/
[16:02]  * Squirm prods superfly
[16:05] <magespawn> hi Squirm 
[16:05] <magespawn> why on a sunday, i wonder?
[16:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:10] <Kilos> no night surfer data magespawn  ?
[16:10] <Kilos> i use that for upgrades
[16:11] <Squirm> magespawn: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/119356-eskom-load-shedding-update-sunday-22-february.html
[16:11] <magespawn> no, i did not get one of those, but next month is upgrad month for the wife and i 
[16:12] <magespawn> upgrade too
[16:12] <magespawn> ty Squirm 
[16:12] <Kilos> ah
[16:13] <Kilos> hmm... is that you magespawn  
[16:16] <magespawn> no don't think so
[16:16] <magespawn> somebdy else
[16:16] <magespawn> somebody too
[16:16] <Kilos> lol
[16:17] <Kilos> maybe the margerine man
[16:18] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[16:20] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[16:20] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[16:20] <Kilos> the same thing i did before
[16:20] <Kilos> i left it so you can see and tell me what i did wrong
[16:21] <Kilos> it squinched the heavy sparks line 
[16:22] <Kilos> all i can think of is that there must be a new line underneeth
[16:22] <Kilos> before saving
[16:23] <magellanic> heya
[16:26] <inetpro> Kilos: table rows have to end with ||
[16:26] <inetpro> no extra spaces allowed
[16:26] <mazal> Evening everyone
[16:26] <Kilos> aha maybe thats it
[16:26] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[16:27] <Kilos> ty goosie
[16:27] <Kilos> ill try harder
[16:27] <mazal> How do I switch between windows ? ctr-alt-tab doesn't work
[16:28] <Kilos> try alt+tab
[16:28] <Kilos> no
[16:28] <Kilos> put a switcher in the panel
[16:28] <mazal> ah , dankie oom
[16:29] <Kilos> did yours work?
[16:29] <inetpro> mazal: alt+tab
[16:29] <mazal> daai werk
[16:29] <Kilos> wow
[16:31] <mazal> I wonder if I will remember to make a new iso tonight
[16:31] <mazal> Can maaz do reminders ?
[16:33] <mazal> I needs something that can pop up a message reminder and alarm bell. Does Kubuntu have something like that ?
[16:35] <inetpro> Kilos: twit!
[16:36] <Kilos> ya i did that
[16:36] <inetpro> think before you do man!
[16:36] <Kilos> committed then tried merge and it said nothing to do
[16:36] <Kilos> ai! what now
[16:38] <inetpro> now the fly will have to fix that again
[16:38] <Kilos> why what happened
[16:38] <inetpro> you merged your own mess
[16:39] <inetpro> maybe it will not make a difference but it really doesn't make sense what you did
[16:39] <Kilos> i dont understand how it can be a mess because it ran here and looked like our site with different name
[16:39] <magespawn> mazal just once or reaccuring?
[16:39] <Kilos> even the links worked
[16:40] <Kilos> but now i dont see a wui anymore
[16:41] <inetpro> Kilos: let superfly do the merging please
[16:41] <Kilos> ok
[16:42] <Kilos> wait
[16:42] <Kilos> i didnt login at launchpad first so didnt i just merge here?
[16:43] <mazal> magespawn: Yes , once
[16:44] <mazal> I sommer opened google calender now and added an entry with message reminder set. Will see how that works , never tried that before
[16:44] <inetpro> Kilos: see https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa-devs/ubuntu-africa/trunk/+merges
[16:44] <inetpro> but please don't go approving now
[16:44] <Kilos> ok
[16:44] <magespawn> i believe you can use the do command and the date and time
[16:46] <Kilos> ty for the hard work inetpro  ill just watch
[16:46] <magespawn> mazal: let me see quickly
[16:47] <inetpro> Kilos: not that hard work just yet... still just trying to learn the basics as well
[16:47] <inetpro> need to get confirmation from the fly that I'm on the right path
[16:48] <inetpro> he will have gotten an email and will attend to the matter when he has time
[16:49] <Kilos> ah
[16:51] <inetpro> I guess just the same as you would have received an email
[16:52] <Kilos> na just mails from wiki and trello
[16:54] <mazal> One can get mail from trello ?
[16:54] <Kilos> ya
[16:54] <Kilos> when someone does something on our trello i get a mail;
[16:55] <mazal> Oh ok
[16:57] <Kilos> youll get mailed if someone else does stuff on your trello
[16:57] <magellanic> there is a trello mobile app, which notifies if a card you're on, gets acted on
[16:58] <Kilos> these things are getting too clever
[17:01] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:09] <inetpro> mazal: and if you want mails with every edit of a list in Trello you can subscribe to it
[17:12] <magespawn> mazal: sorry not 'do' but 'at', i do not know the full syntax though, something i just read
[17:14] <magespawn> it is apparently a seperate program, just installing it now
[17:14] <mazal> ta magespawn, will look into it
[17:15] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[17:15]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:15] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[17:16] <Maaz> Sorry Squirm  No more than a beer mug full is allowed. Times are hard!
[17:16] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[17:16] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[17:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[17:24] <Squirm> Maaz: test
[17:24] <Maaz> Squirm: Excuse me?
[17:24] <Squirm> Meh, terrible ping
[17:25] <Kilos> hi Yolandre  
[17:26] <Yolandre> Hi
[17:26] <Kilos> there were some comments but you were gone
[17:26] <Kilos> why dont you run a local mail server
[17:27] <Kilos> i think it was you with the 80g of emails hey?
[17:27] <Yolandre> I'm in the process of deploying a new local mail server, but it still will not solve any problems. If it had been that easy I would've done it ages ago. Here is why:
[17:28] <Yolandre> The majority of users do work after hours and as such require access to their mailboxes. Impossible as it may seem not one of them enjoy internet connectivity at home.
[17:29] <Yolandre> This is why local storage of the mails on the workstation is so important.
[17:29] <Kilos> ah
[17:30] <Kilos> with evolution you can save files to another folder i think, never needed to try it
[17:30] <Kilos> other clients must also have that option
[17:31] <inetpro> Kilos: do you realise how much 80GB is?
[17:31] <inetpro> Yolandre: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[17:31] <Kilos> thats to everyone inetpro  
[17:31] <inetpro> this is no normal request
[17:32]  * inetpro has never seen any single user cosume 80GB of email
[17:32] <Kilos> no thats all of them
[17:33] <Kilos> whole company
[17:33] <Yolandre> Inetpro, please note that 80GB is the smaller of the mail accounts.
[17:33] <inetpro> Yolandre: no!!! serious!!?
[17:33] <inetpro> in South Africa?
[17:34] <Yolandre> I have 13 HQ based users each of which use 2 mail accounts. The smaller of the 2 collects approximately 20GB per annum whilst the larger collects approximately 40GB per annum. Tested of a 5 year period.
[17:34] <Yolandre> :)
[17:35] <inetpro> Kilos: no, he really is talking about a single user
[17:35] <Kilos> wow
[17:35] <Yolandre> Microsoft had the same response until I flashed physical examples... They were stunned.
[17:35] <inetpro> Yolandre: please stick around
[17:35]  * inetpro wbbl
[17:36] <inetpro> this seems liek an interesting challenge
[17:36] <inetpro> like*
[17:36] <Squirm> But, local storage
[17:36] <Squirm> surely you can just use POP ?
[17:36] <Yolandre> I have been wanting to switch to thin clients since the word go, but the MD wants nothing to do with it.
[17:37] <Squirm> But then I'm sure IMAP will be able to store a locla copy too
[17:37] <Squirm> Yolandre: what's your problem?
[17:37] <Yolandre> Not to all: I have found a way to make Microsoft Outlook work with 40GB - 60GB PST files.
[17:38] <Squirm> Oh right, so it's actually MS that's being an issue?
[17:39] <Yolandre> Squirm, I need to deploy a mail client on Ubuntu capable of facilitating 80GB+ worth of mails.
[17:39] <Yolandre> Yep, MS is where the fun and games started.
[17:39] <Squirm> Ah
[17:39] <Squirm> Have you tried something like Mozilla Thunderbird?
[17:40] <Yolandre> But, as mentioned I have since found a way to by-pass the normal 19,8GB capacity limit for PST files.
[17:41] <Yolandre> I had all my hope in Thunderbird by ways of creating archive folders for each year's mails, but it failed horribly.
[17:41] <Squirm> Meh - I only have 700Mb of IMAP mail
[17:41] <Yolandre> After some extensive reading it appears that Mozilla might have called it end of days for Thunderbird, which in turn creates further doubts.
[17:41] <Squirm> ok
[17:42] <magespawn> Yolandre: offline version of imap, that only syncs when connected?
[17:42] <Yolandre> The majority of users do work after hours and as such require access to their mailboxes. Impossible as it may seem not one of them enjoy internet connectivity at home.
[17:42] <Yolandre> Hence, IMAP will not work.
[17:44] <magespawn> i think there is a google app for chrome that does local storage of the mail for offline work
[17:44] <Squirm> Yolandre: IMAP does keep a local copy
[17:45] <Yolandre> Strangely enough I use Mac OSX Mavericks on a MacBook Pro in official capacity. My Apple Mail box contains 6 years worth of mails in total exceeding 120GB's and I have until present not had a single day's problems. Considering that Mac OSX is now freely distributed the thought crossed my mind to switch all workstations to it.
[17:45] <Yolandre> Apologies Squirm, you're correct. IMAP will store local copies as well.
[17:46] <Squirm> In Thunderbird, in Account Preferences - Syncronization and Storage
[17:46] <Squirm> I have mine set to sync all messages, but you can set it to sync the last 'x' number of days worth of mail
[17:48] <Yolandre> Give me a second or so & I'll copy another thread into the chat which might shed some more light on the matter.
[17:49] <Yolandre> I want to move all our Microsoft Windows based workstations, equipped with different versions of Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft Windows Live Mail, to Ubuntu for various reasons including cost, security and stability.
[17:49] <Yolandre> On average our users receive approximately 20GB worth of e-mail per year and due to company policy demanding that no e-mails are ever deleted I need a mail client capable of facilitating mailboxes in access of 80GB.
[17:49] <Yolandre> Until present I had to create additional PST files for Microsoft Outlook users and then once a year assist the users in moving all received mails received during a year into the relevant PST file.  The user subsequently mounts and dismounts each year's files as and when required thus the active PST file only contains mails relating to the current year.
[17:49] <Yolandre> After a bit of research on Thunderbird's capabilities I was convinced that by regularly moving mail from the mail client's inbox to a dedicated local folder it will get the job done and subsequently embarked on porting one user's mail accounts from Microsoft Windows Live Mail to Thunderbird.
[17:49] <Yolandre> The target system runs on Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit and ext4 file system) whilst the mail server only supports POP3. Due to the the size of one mail account I decided to import only the smaller of the two mail accounts into Thunderbird and the import process worked perfectly.
[17:50] <Yolandre> Upon completion of the import process all sub-folders were re-created in Thunderbird after which I started moving the mails into logical local folders. For the majority of of this process all went really well until I started working with an archive folder created by the user in Microsoft Windows Live Mail containing in access of 40GB of mails. Note that the archive folder imported into Thunderbird without any errors. When attempting to split the archiv
[17:50] <Yolandre> e folder into smaller portions, i.e. moving all archived mails relating to a specific year into a local folder dedicated to the particular year, the following error was displayed: "The folder X is full, and can't hold any more messages". All subsequent efforts resulted in the same error message being displayed.
[17:50] <Yolandre> I have since did additional research and learnt that Mozilla is ceasing the further development of Thunderbird:
[17:50] <Yolandre> On November 25, 2014, Kent James of the Mozilla Foundation announced on the Mozilla blog that active contributors to Thunderbird gathered at the Mozilla office in Toronto and discussed the future of the application. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird)
[17:50] <Yolandre> The above creates even more doubt as to whether stepping from the Microsoft platform is such a good idea... After some research I am lead to believe that Evolution might present a possible relief. I could until now not get an indication of Evolution's storage capabilities, but will give it a go in any event.
[17:50] <Yolandre> This should put you on the page I am.
[17:52] <Squirm> Ah
[17:52] <Squirm> Ok
[17:52] <Squirm> I wonder how something like Mutt would handle that many emails :D
[17:52] <Squirm> Probably run out of Inodes on your drive :P
[17:53] <Yolandre> Note that during the import process stated above a folder containing approximately 40GB's worth of mails was imported into Thunderbird without error and all relevant mails were accessible.
[17:53] <Yolandre> That
[17:53] <magespawn> that is a fair aoung of mail that
[17:53] <Yolandre> That's the only conclusion I could come to as well.
[17:53] <magespawn> s/amoung/amount
[17:54] <magespawn> and i get irked when my users run into the google 15gb limit 
[17:54] <Squirm> Yolandre: that may not even be possible...
[17:55] <Squirm> Espetially if you're stuck with POP
[17:55] <Squirm> Especially
[17:56] <Squirm> Otherwise you need to Archive the mail and remove it from the client
[17:57] <Yolandre> Squirm, that is my exact thoughts as well - more so after doing some reading on both Thunderbird and Evolution. Again with reference to an earlier statement I am still thoroughly convinced that the only proper manner to facilitate such volumes will be to go thin clients with an internal mail server supporting IMAP.
[17:58] <Squirm> But how will thin clients work if the work is done at home?
[17:58] <Squirm> Sorry
[17:58] <Squirm> Thinking of a Terminal Server
[17:59] <Squirm> Ok
[17:59] <Squirm> Then at least you have some control of how much data is stored on the local drive
[17:59] <Squirm> Because it just seems to be the sheer number of messages(might not even be the actual size)
[17:59] <Yolandre> Exactly.
[18:00] <Squirm> I'm glad I'm not the application that has to index that
[18:00] <Yolandre> LOLZ!
[18:00] <Yolandre> True!
[18:01] <magespawn> mm that looks like the best solution, so the user could have all mails available but only the present year at all times
[18:01] <Yolandre> Spot on.
[18:01] <Squirm> Yes
[18:01] <magespawn> how does a pop server handle mail boxes of that size anyway?
[18:02] <Squirm> magespawn: most of the time, pop is set to delete email on the server
[18:02] <Yolandre> Fairly well thus far providing maintenance is being conducted on a weekly basis.
[18:02] <Squirm> huh
[18:02] <Squirm> Ok
[18:02] <Squirm> Thank you to our bountiful internet. We just use Google Apps
[18:03] <magespawn> indeed, i was just wondering if there was a mail size limit on the server, similar to outlooks
[18:04] <magespawn> i have had two users fill up their inbox in google apps
[18:04] <Yolandre> Configured not to delete copies on mail server and mail server subsequently maintained on bi-weekly basis by moving inbox contents to dedicated back drives.
[18:05] <magespawn> is there a limit to the inbox on the server? something defined by the software rather than a human set limit
[18:06] <Yolandre> No limits on mail server.
[18:06] <magespawn> like outlooks arb limits
[18:06] <magespawn> ahh right
[18:07] <Yolandre> Mail servers are currently outsourced, so one less worry for me.
[18:07] <magespawn> are they stored locally?
[18:08] <Yolandre> Nope, remote.
[18:09] <magespawn> would a caching server work?
[18:10] <magespawn> i do not know very much about this, thats why the questions
[18:11]  * inetpro happy that I don't have to maintain such massive mail stores
[18:12] <inetpro> what a mess when stuff goes out of sync
[18:13] <inetpro> Yolandre: I've seen Thunderbird development pick up again recently
[18:13] <inetpro> but not sure whether it's actively supported by Mozilla still
[18:13] <inetpro> the first barrier would be the filesystem though
[18:14] <Yolandre> We tried a caching server (Mercury, duh) which worked for a while, but after a year started causing problems. It was subsequently scaled down to only facilitate for a single mail account (the largest one we have). If going through the effort of deploying alternative servers I would much rather prefer moving the outsources mail server to a local mail server and for once and for all solve this mess.
[18:15] <inetpro> what kind of mails are these that are so huge?
[18:15] <Yolandre> If the mail client goes out of sync with the caching server it is pure and utter chaos.
[18:16] <inetpro> absolutely
[18:16]  * inetpro has spent many nightly hours fixing exchange failures
[18:16] <Yolandre> Mails are mostly inclusive of large volumes of photos and, or, PDF attachments.
[18:17] <inetpro> ai!
[18:17] <inetpro> is mail really the answer to the problems?
[18:17] <inetpro> should you not be looking at a document management solution?
[18:19] <inetpro> but having said that even a offline document management solution would be hairy to say the least
[18:20] <magespawn> or maybe something like dropbox or bittorrent sync?
[18:20] <Yolandre> We have a management solution which does the job absolutely perfectly and yes it definitely has an extremely positive effect. Not all customers use the facility nor the majority of remote officials, which subsequently pressurizes the mail infrastructure.
[18:20] <inetpro> this really sounds like a horribly odd kind of environment
[18:20] <magespawn> opencloud, i forget the name of the open source software
[18:20] <inetpro> captine: wb
[18:21] <captine> thanks
[18:21] <captine> hi all
[18:21] <magespawn> Yolandre: get new users
[18:21] <magespawn> hi captine 
[18:21] <captine> busy watching linux action show... live from Scale X in LA... pretty cool
[18:21] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:21] <captine> they positioned just in front of hte ubuntu booth... so hoping the conference starts soon to see some interesting things
[18:21] <captine> hi Kilos 
[18:22] <Yolandre> If it had been that easy Megaspawn....
[18:23] <magespawn> indeed solve the majority of it problems
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: where's stickyboy?
[18:23] <Kilos> looks like he took the weekend off
[18:24]  * inetpro would love to see his reaction on this
[18:24] <captine> hi magespawn 
[18:24] <Kilos> remember where this discussion was and he can read up on it
[18:24] <inetpro> tumbleweed: please read above!!!
[18:24] <captine> whats the context/conversation?
[18:24] <Kilos> he likes finding linux solutions
[18:25] <inetpro> also highvoltage
[18:25] <inetpro> Yolandre: have you blogged about this?
[18:26] <Yolandre> Yes, but have not updated it yet. Give a sec & I'll see whether StachExchange now allows me to update it.
[18:27] <inetpro> ahh, StackExchange is the right place
[18:28] <captine> inetpro, you referring to the highvoltage --  the podcast? or Eskom... think Eskom is limited voltage :)
[18:28] <inetpro> haha
[18:28] <inetpro> captine: highvoltage is the founder of this channel even
[18:29] <captine> :)
[18:29] <captine> ah
[18:29] <captine> hectic
[18:29] <inetpro> he probably got his nickname when our voltage was still high
[18:31] <inetpro> btw, ext4 has a mximum file size limit of 16 tebibyte
[18:32] <captine> only 16... darn.  need to change my file system... lol.  
[18:33] <magespawn> why would you have a limit on that, inetpro?
[18:34] <inetpro> magespawn: all file systems have limits
[18:34] <Kilos> captine  you can go comment by you and add dates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members#preview
[18:35] <Kilos> and you can add you magespawn  
[18:35] <inetpro> magespawn: remember that is the limit for a single file
[18:35] <captine> thanks Kilos 
[18:35] <captine> will do asap
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Yolandre> Apoloigies
[18:36] <Kilos> i would tell all those mail peeps to learn to use irc pidgin and whatsapp
[18:36] <Kilos> Yolandre  ?
[18:37] <inetpro> Yolandre: apologies?
[18:37] <captine> whatsapp?  I am looking at using Telegram.  might be tough to get all family on it instead of whatsapp.. but it comes on the ubuntu phone.. so that is enough for me :)
[18:38] <Yolandre> Apologies, some moderators on StackExchange placed my post "on hold" due to lac of detail and when I attempt to update the post with more detail StackExchange considers the update as spam...
[18:38] <Kilos> you got one?
[18:38] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:39] <magespawn> inetpro: i gather that, why though? there 'must' be a logical reason for it and 16 Tb for a single file is large
[18:40] <inetpro> it's massive yes
[18:42] <captine> kilos, you have our nicks linking to a wiki page... is that the page needed for the membership? 
[18:42] <captine> my launchpad ID is not the same as my nick.. so not sure if I should use the launchpad ID or my nick for the membership wiki?
[18:42] <Kilos> that page is for peeps that view the site to see members
[18:43] <Kilos> membership you need a launchpad account methinks
[18:43] <Kilos> pro tell him please
[18:43] <magespawn> captine i think you can list your nick on your launchpad page
[18:44] <captine> i.  magespawn I recall that now.  think i did that.. let me check
[18:44] <Kilos> i just try do what im told to do, mostly not knowing why
[18:47] <Kilos> oh captine  the wiki page thing is for those that have made them
[18:47] <Kilos> mostly i think when getting ready for applying for ubuntu membership
[18:47] <captine> Kilos, I will just make a base one now
[18:47] <captine> dont want to be the guy with a dead link :)
[18:48] <Kilos> you can leave that blank till the time comes
[18:48] <Kilos> none of the info there is 
[18:48] <Kilos> um
[18:48] <Kilos> compulsory
[18:50] <Squirm> Hmm
[18:50] <Squirm> Electricity is still on
[18:50] <Squirm> That's a good thing
[18:51] <Kilos> hmm... captine  i got your town wrong sorry
[18:52] <captine> no prob
[18:52] <captine> thats why we can edit :)
[18:52] <Kilos> thank heavens for that
[19:02] <magespawn> the eraser of all past mistakes
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:03] <captine> done with my few lines on the wiki
[19:03] <Kilos> without the fixit man there wouldnt be that page
[19:04] <Kilos> link?
[19:06] <captine> wiki.ubuntu.com/captine i think
[19:06] <Kilos> ya
[19:08] <Kilos> hehe thats good
[19:08] <Kilos> right path at last
[19:15] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:15]  * inetpro back again
[19:15] <inetpro> magespawn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemsExplained
[19:16] <Kilos> wb inetpro  did you see confluency  couldnt edit the wiki page
[19:16] <Kilos> what could the prob be
[19:16] <inetpro> magespawn: doesn't really explain much about why we have the limits but could be interesting for you
[19:16] <Yolandre> Is anyone running 14.10?
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: confluency, hmm... 
[19:17]  * inetpro looking a the scrollbacks
[19:17] <inetpro> at*
[19:17] <Kilos> sec
[19:18] <Kilos> 22/02/2015 16:39] <confluency> I think we have some formatting issues there.
[19:19] <inetpro> confluency: did you survive that?
[19:20] <captine> Yolandre, was thinking of upgrading my xubuntu to 14.10 and then 15.04
[19:20] <captine> but havent taken the plunge yet
[19:20] <captine> Yolandre, you running it?
[19:22] <inetpro> Yolandre: I stick to LTS versions 
[19:22]  * inetpro can't keep up with frequent updates of non-LTS versions
[19:22] <Kilos> ditto
[19:23] <confluency> inetpro: I can't log in; there's nothing to log in *with*.
[19:23] <Yolandre> Did my first installation today. A bit disappointed with Wine not performing in the manner I'm used to. Impressed with device driver support - adding Canon MX370 was a breeze and scanning works like a charm.
[19:23] <inetpro> confluency: are you registered on Launchpad?
[19:23] <confluency> Yes.
[19:23] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:24] <confluency> What is the process supposed to look like? If it's some kind of magical cross-site thing, my browser might be blocking it.
[19:24] <Yolandre> Still prefer 14.04 though.
[19:24] <confluency> I would expect a place to enter an OpenID url, but I just get a button. No for.
[19:24] <confluency> *form
[19:25] <inetpro> click the button
[19:25] <confluency> "Invalid OpenID transaction"
[19:25] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:25] <magespawn> inetpro: ty
[19:27] <inetpro> confluency: think it's a mess since Ubuntu One was discontinued
[19:27]  * inetpro trying to find a bug around the issue
[19:27] <Squirm> I'm bored
[19:27] <confluency> I've never used Ubuntu One. I'm not using any weird OS features that interact with the browser.
[19:28] <confluency> It might be µBlock blocking cross-site requests. I think I had to whitelist OpenID stuff in AdBlock.
[19:29] <inetpro> ahh, might be that yes
[19:29] <mazal> Night everyone
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: you can get his details here for now https://launchpad.net/~confluence
[19:29] <Kilos> night mazal  
[19:29] <confluency> I'm not a he.
[19:29] <Kilos> let me try
[19:30] <mazal> Sleep well , God bless
[19:30] <Kilos> you too ty maza
[19:30] <Kilos> ai!
[19:31] <inetpro> oh goodnes
[19:31] <Kilos> what?
[19:31] <inetpro> sorry confluency
[19:31] <confluency> nvm, it was a cookie issue.
[19:31] <Kilos> yay
[19:32] <magespawn> awesome sauce
[19:32] <confluency> Now I get to an UbuntuOne login screen.
[19:32] <inetpro> well done!
[19:33] <magespawn> i think sometimes irc might facilitate multiple personalities
[19:34] <captine> lol
[19:37] <captine> just heard of a different ubuntu based distro.. ubermix..
[19:37] <captine> another educational version
[19:37] <captine> like edubuntu
[19:39] <Kilos> confluency  its nice to have you back here again
[19:40] <Kilos> still some more of the old croud i need to get back here
[19:40] <confluency> Hmm, now the actual login is hanging.
[19:40] <Kilos> crowd
[19:40] <Kilos> eish
[19:41] <confluency> OK, it worked eventually.
[19:41] <Kilos> yay
[19:42] <confluency> Can't seem to edit the page, though.
[19:42] <Kilos> ai!
[19:42] <Kilos> inetpro  fixit
[19:43] <magespawn> i thin you still have to click on edit, on the menu bar at the top of the page
[19:43] <magespawn> s/thin/think
[19:43] <inetpro> confluency: please rephrase
[19:43] <inetpro> what's the problem there?
[19:44] <confluency> I don't think I have permissions to edit the Members page.  There is no edit link visible when I'm logged in.
[19:44] <inetpro> everyone has edit rights
[19:44] <inetpro> as long as you logged in
[19:45] <inetpro> can you post a screenshot?
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: where do you post screenshots?
[19:45] <Kilos> picpaste.com
[19:45] <confluency> Where is the edit link supposed to be? In the top menu?
[19:45] <Kilos> left top
[19:46] <confluency> I see "Immutable Page | Info | Attachments..."
[19:46] <confluency> Wait, hang on. Am I logged out again?
[19:46] <confluency> Nvm; multi-tab stupidity.
[19:47] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[19:48] <inetpro> nvm?
[19:48] <inetpro> does that mean nevermind?
[19:49] <Kilos> never mind
[19:49] <inetpro> ah
[19:49] <confluency> Yes. Everything is fine now.
[19:49] <Kilos> yay
[19:49]  * inetpro learning the lingo?
[19:49] <confluency> What are the row numbers for (on the members page)?
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: please explain ^^
[19:49] <Kilos> thats so i can number peeps according to join dates
[19:50] <Kilos> then pro will make them appear in order
[19:50] <inetpro> uh
[19:50] <Kilos> lol
[19:50] <inetpro> no
[19:50] <Kilos> pro uses magic
[19:50] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[19:51] <Kilos> inetpro  i was thinking
[19:51] <Kilos> yaya it hurt
[19:51] <inetpro> that's dangerous
[19:51]  * inetpro *ducks*
[19:52] <Kilos> if one edits the whole thing in kate then saves to desktop say will the numbers then sort themselves
[19:52] <Kilos> something must surely recognise the diffs in numbers
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: I would really take out that column
[19:53] <Kilos> ok you may
[19:53]  * Kilos ducks
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: the active column is also ambigious 
[19:55] <Kilos> ok
[19:55] <magespawn> small words please, it is late, and a sunday
[19:55] <Kilos> he used that on me twice today
[19:56] <inetpro> magespawn: open to more than one interpretation
[19:56] <Kilos> torture by text
[19:56] <Kilos> active means helps here or on the lists
[19:57] <inetpro> but some peeps are active on the mailing lists and not here
[19:57] <Kilos> but you can remove it if you like'
[19:57] <Kilos>  <Kilos> active means helps here or on the lists
[19:57] <inetpro> or active on other open source projects
[19:57] <Kilos> either either
[19:58] <Kilos> ya basically working towards forwarding linux in the world imo
[19:58] <inetpro> or could be engaging or ready to engage in physically energetic pursuits
[19:58] <Kilos> but especially ubuntu
[19:59] <Kilos> no man
[19:59] <inetpro> :-)
[19:59] <Kilos> even though that could help many geeks live longer
[19:59] <Kilos> pc peeps are all too unfit
[20:00] <Kilos> go sprint 100 metres and see how you feel
[20:00] <magespawn> indeed extreme development in one area does often lead to neglect in others
[20:08] <inetpro> magespawn: btw, here's even more on EXT4 for you
[20:08] <inetpro> https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions
[20:08] <magespawn> inetpro: the part about editing and moving/deleting files and programs is very interesting
[20:09] <Kilos> wow you read so fast
[20:10] <magespawn> that has never been the problem, that recall of what i have read is
[20:11] <inetpro> magespawn: which part are you referring to?
[20:11] <Kilos> lol
[20:11]  * inetpro assuming he is referring to inodes
[20:12] <magespawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemsExplained > Editing Files
[20:12] <magespawn> yes indeed
[20:12] <inetpro> yep, that is rather interesting indeed
[20:12] <inetpro> comes in very handy when rotating log files
[20:13] <magespawn> you could delete a program/script while it is running so that when it is complete there is nothing left behind
[20:21] <Yolandre> Night all, my fate is felled... I have to rebuild a fresh Ubuntu 14.10 installation and replace it with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.
[20:22] <Kilos> ai!
[20:25] <Kilos> confluency  ty
[20:25] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:25] <Kilos> ty for the help inetpro  go sleep now, so you dont fall off the bike
[20:26] <inetpro> ai!
[20:26] <Kilos> wat
[20:26] <Kilos> ou mense moet vroeg slaap
[20:27] <Kilos> more is nog n dag
[20:27] <magespawn> bed time for me too, goog night all
[20:27] <magespawn> good night too
[20:28] <magespawn> exit
[21:04] <captine> night night
[22:12] <inetpro> fp