[21:08] <jw4> rick_h_: love your vanity plate
[21:09] <rick_h_> jw4: :)
[21:09] <rick_h_> jw4: my other car as cli4lif :)
[21:10] <jw4> haha
[21:10] <rick_h_> https://flic.kr/p/j66Mr1
[21:11] <rick_h_> but yea, the new plate shows off some team pride
[21:11] <jw4> is that a recent photo too or does it always have snow and ice in michigan?
[21:11] <rick_h_> naw, that's from last year
[21:12] <rick_h_> I have a pic with the two plates side by side in summer but can't find it so fast
[21:12] <jw4> yeah, because its so RARE ;)
[21:12] <rick_h_> :)
[21:12] <jw4> I'm enjoying 70 degrees clear and sunny weather here in CA
[21:12] <rick_h_> when I woke up today and took the boy to day care in -17F it sure feels rare
[21:13] <jw4> there's a reason I fled Washington state 
[21:13]  * rick_h_ looks at his camping photos from the summer and dreams of hooking up the trailer to the truck and hitting the woods
[21:13] <jw4> Hey, snow camping is fun too
[21:13] <rick_h_> heh, my camper is a hybrid so we have to shut down early 
[21:13] <rick_h_> can't do that cold stuff
[21:13] <jw4> batteries can't handle the cold?
[21:14] <rick_h_> water/pipes/tanks/me
[21:14] <jw4> heh
[21:14] <rick_h_> the hybrid there's the tent ends that fold down
[21:14] <rick_h_> so you're basically in a tent hanging off the side
[21:14] <jw4> oh, I see... yeah not exactly polar expidition equipment
[21:14] <rick_h_> https://flic.kr/p/fyow7w
[21:15] <rick_h_> yea, pretty much
[21:15] <jw4> 's true - that picture does make me want to hook up my trailer too
[21:16] <rick_h_> mmmm, hanging in the Appalachians in the fall https://flic.kr/p/g7kWiG
[21:16] <rick_h_> :)
[21:17] <jw4> did you get rid of your Toureg in favour of your new truck?
[21:17] <rick_h_> yea
[21:17] <rick_h_> going to south dakota this sprint and wanted a bit more cargo space
[21:18] <rick_h_> got the touareg because I wasn't sure if we'd like camping so worst case I had a nice SUV if we sold the trailer
[21:18] <rick_h_> but now that we love camping I want the truck bed for bikes, generator, more comfy space for long trips/etc
[21:18] <jw4> +1
[21:18] <rick_h_> and in a couple of years my airstream...but don't tell my wife :)
[21:19] <jw4> hehe - Yeah, I don't go googly over campers, but I sure do lust after an airstream
[21:20] <rick_h_> yea, again, wanted the airstream but until we were sure we'd like camping it's a lot of $$ to swallow
[21:20] <jw4> for sure
[22:03] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:41] <stokachu> is annotations a required field in a bundle file?
[22:45] <rick_h_> stokachu: no, but it's required for layout properly. We've got an open item to add auto layout support to the new svg generation code but it's not done yet
[22:46] <stokachu> rick_h_: so if someone deployed a juju bundle then loaded up juju gui the icon's just layover each other?
[22:46] <rick_h_> stokachu: no, in the GUI there's auto layout stuff in JS
[22:46] <rick_h_> stokachu: but on jujucharms.com we're using a back end Go library to build the svg which does't have that same logic yet
[22:47] <stokachu> ah ok
[22:47] <rick_h_> stokachu: so it depends on where we're talking about tbh
[22:47] <stokachu> rick_h_: basically what im doing is auto generating bundle files 
[22:47] <rick_h_> stokachu: k
[22:47] <stokachu> and mostly people will just deploy and not really do anything wrt juju-gui
[22:47] <stokachu> so wanted to make sure it was safe to leave those gui-* fields out
[22:47] <rick_h_> yea, so no biggie. It's not required. Just makes for prettier layout as we respect the gui annotations if they're there
[22:48] <stokachu> rick_h_: ok cool man
[22:48] <rick_h_> if you hit any issues let me know 
[22:48] <stokachu> rick_h_: but once the autolayout stuff lands in the go library it shouldn't matter?
[22:49] <rick_h_> stokachu: yea, at that point if you publish a bundle jujucharms.com will auto layout the svg visualization and the JS already supports it for the live env stuff
[22:49] <stokachu> awesome, thanks for the help
[22:49] <rick_h_> np