[12:22] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Are you about?
[15:08] <bjf> moin
[15:22] <cjwatson> proposed-migration is now running by default for trusty and utopic (in no-automatic-copies mode).  I also tweaked the control scripts to make sure proposed-migration runs again if any tests are in progress, so that we don't get stuck if the archive doesn't change but say an autopkgtest finishes.
[15:24] <rbasak> cjwatson: o/
[15:24] <rbasak> cjwatson: this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1321691 ?
[15:24] <rbasak> Or something else?
[15:25] <cjwatson> Oh, I didn't notice that
[15:25] <cjwatson> (recently)
[15:26] <cjwatson> bdmurray: Would you be up for attempting to integrate stable release autopkgtests into pending-sru.html?  The best approximately machine-readable form is probably http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/trusty/update_excuses.yaml
[15:28] <cjwatson> Though we should get rid of the HTML tags from that IMO
[15:28] <cjwatson> Well, maybe
[15:28] <cjwatson> Anyway if we knew that u-a-t was using it we could take appropriate care about compatibility
[15:44] <bdmurray> cjwatson: yes, of course
[15:46] <cjwatson> lovely, thank you
[15:46] <bdmurray> what am I looking for in update_excuses?
[15:47] <cjwatson> anything with the reason set to autopkgtest
[15:48] <cjwatson> in which case the excuses field will contain more detail
[15:48] <cjwatson> we could perhaps argue that anything with is_candidate: false should at least be a yellow flag to SRU admins
[15:48] <cjwatson> and reason/excuses are refinements of that
[15:49] <cjwatson> that may take a while to settle down though
[15:49] <cjwatson> yeah, on reflection I think is_candidate: false is the top-level thing to look for
[15:50] <bdmurray> got it
[16:01] <apw> cjwatson, how often are those running ?  and are the <series>/* results the right ones?
[16:01] <cjwatson> apw: any time the relevant suites change and also now any time tests are still in progress, same as vivid; and yes
[16:02] <cjwatson> saw no reason to invent new logic there
[16:03] <apw> cjwatson, hmm, i have been looking at the generated-date: to confirm proposed-migration is running to completion, that seems flawed in the light of that
[16:03] <apw> cjwatson, is there some way i can tell otherwise?
[16:04] <cjwatson> apw: if I understand correctly then you could look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/trusty/ etc. instead
[16:04] <cjwatson> if it has "Finished at:" at the end then it's good
[16:04] <cjwatson> the last log
[16:05] <apw> cjwatson, wergely 9m that last log
[16:05] <cjwatson> the same strategy was always flawed in principle for the development suite, it's just that it changes all the time
[16:06] <cjwatson> apw: yeah that's mostly because it's noticing vast piles of binary differences and applying a Debian-specific "smooth updates" thing; I need to work out how to turn that off correctly
[16:06] <apw> cjwatson, yes indeed, as you say i thought it was safe, because it always runs, i don't think i am downloading that heap to work it out though
[16:08] <cjwatson> I'll try to do something about that this week if I don't get hopelessly distracted
[16:08] <cjwatson> Since the log volume will become a problem over time
[16:10] <apw> cjwatson, it might be that i want to know when the last update to the pocket was, and that proposed migration finished since then
[16:12] <cjwatson> Perhaps we should put this in the SRU report
[16:13] <cjwatson> Though it seems slightly like human nagios :-)
[17:17] <elfy> Laney: is it you who's going to be sorting the vervet beta1 images tomorrow?
[17:17] <Laney> yes sir
[17:28] <flexiondotorg> Is there anyone here who can review some uploads for Ubuntu MATE that are awaiting review in the upload queue?
[17:40] <elfy> Laney: cool - timezones should be a bit easier then - what time do you think you'll be firing it up?
[17:40] <Laney> Dunno, morning?
[17:41] <elfy> okey - afaik the wiki I set up is right, I'll be gone before you're about likely, around lunchtime then 4ish
[17:41] <elfy> by wiki - I mean I assume that those taking part have said yes
[17:42] <Laney> seemed okay from what I was expecting
[17:42] <elfy> yep
[18:18] <cjwatson> slangasek: did you get a chance to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/britney/dynamic-arches/+merge/250462 ?
[18:18] <cjwatson> (thanks for merging the rest of my stack!)
[18:19] <flexiondotorg> infinity, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1423597 (MAATE Tweak)
[18:20] <flexiondotorg> infinity, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1423581 (MATE Menu)
[18:20] <cjwatson> Ah, there are the MATE tasks now
[18:20]  * cjwatson kicks off a fresh build
[18:21] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-mate/+build/20555 is the amd64 build
[18:21] <cjwatson> Oh
[18:21] <cjwatson> I forgot to devirt that
[18:21] <cjwatson> Bah and thrice bah.  Cancelling
[18:22] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Thanks for your help. I really appreciate.
[18:22] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-mate/+build/20557 should be better
[18:23] <cjwatson> Looks like there's been a batch of KDE uploads, though, so there's a bit of a queue.
[18:24] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Thanks. I'll check on that later.
[18:33] <wxl> Laney: any clues as to what time tomorrow beta 1 images will be available?
[18:48] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Does this mean it worked? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-mate/+build/20557
[18:50] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: Looks promising.  It's waiting on a few other things - http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-mate/vivid/daily-live-20150223.1.log is updated every 15 minutes
[18:51] <cjwatson> I'm just watching it on the build system
[18:51] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, So would that job you started produce a cd image? Or is that just a job for the livefs?
[18:51] <cjwatson> It should do the whole thing
[18:52] <cjwatson> The livefs is built on Launchpad and then the rest of it assembled separately
[18:54] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Thanks for the info. Will be interesting to see what it does, if anything.
[18:57] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/daily-live/current/
[18:58] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Wow! Brilliant.
[18:58] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Thanks for your help. I'll give it a test and see what is busted.
[18:58] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: You can probably reasonably ignore the oversized warning for now, since the size limit is a bit arbitrary anyway, but perhaps there's stuff there that shouldn't be.  Anyway, it's more important to see whether it works at all first.
[18:59] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, I think I ship way more language than the other flavours.
[18:59] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-mate.vivid/ may be useful too.
[18:59] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Thanks.
[19:00] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: I've set it to build nightly, now that it at least somewhat works.
[19:00] <cjwatson> So hopefully you can take it from here.
[19:00] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Excellent. I taken some days of work later this week to try and knock everything into shape.
[19:01] <cjwatson> Great.
[19:02] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Sorry, on a call.
[19:03] <flexiondotorg> infinity, No problem 😃
[19:03] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I've pushed the copyright changes, updated the original package requests. I think cyphermox is going to upload them.
[19:11] <cjwatson> finally, lp:ubuntu-cdimage tests pass again
[19:11] <cjwatson> hopefully they can be kept that way :P
[19:15] <cjwatson> stgraber: I guess "Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64" and "Ubuntu MATE Desktop i386" should exist on the tracker at some point now?
[19:17] <elfy> is that going to impact on beta tomorrow?
[19:18] <cjwatson> what, mate?
[19:18] <elfy> yea
[19:18] <cjwatson> I don't see how
[19:18] <elfy> if it's going on tracker
[19:18] <cjwatson> won't make a difference
[19:18] <elfy> cjwatson: by impact I mean - do they want to do that
[19:18] <cjwatson> I think you misunderstand
[19:18] <elfy> probably
[19:18] <cjwatson> all the images we build should exist on the tracker
[19:19] <cjwatson> that's not the same as tracking them for a particular milestone
[19:19] <cjwatson> it means that they can be tracked for milestones in the future
[19:19] <elfy> yes I understand that - just assuming that if it is on the tracker that Mate would want to use *it*
[19:20] <cjwatson> well, that's up to them
[19:20] <cjwatson> but I would like the error messages from cdimage about the lack of tracker support to go away :)
[19:20] <elfy> :)
[19:20] <elfy> I can understand that as well :p
[19:20] <cjwatson> I would think that it's far too late for ubuntu-mate to be ready for beta
[19:21] <cjwatson> I could be wrong, but it would be pretty exceptional speed even if working full-time on it
[19:21] <cjwatson> and I understand not all their packages are in yet
[19:23] <elfy> right - actually only asked as I wasn't awake and I  put my name down onReleaseTaskSignup :)
[19:29] <flexiondotorg> elfy, Remember you said you'd show me round the QA stuff 😉
[19:30] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, There are 3 packages missing.
[19:31] <flexiondotorg> 2 of those are in the upload queue.
[19:31] <cjwatson> elfy: fair enough :)
[19:31] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: *nod*
[19:33] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, So would you expect to ubiquity to fail if there are missing packages?
[19:33] <flexiondotorg> Still downloading the iso...
[19:33] <elfy> flexiondotorg: I can't find that anywhere in my logs :p
[19:35] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: Probably not; it'll mostly be copying the filesystem it's given
[19:35] <elfy> flexiondotorg: place for that with me would be #ubuntu-quality though
[19:36] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Interesting, thanks.
[19:36]  * flexiondotorg goes to join #ubuntu-quality
[19:47] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Initial testing is positive 😃
[19:47] <cjwatson> Cool.  No need to tell me about further progress though, I was just the build monkey :)
[19:48] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, It might be suitable for Beta1. Is that even possible at this stage?
[19:48] <cjwatson> I don't know, ask the people driving it
[19:48] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseTaskSignup
[19:49] <cjwatson> It would be pretty amazing to be able to do a milestone three days after your first images roll out, but I guess it's possible
[19:57] <elfy> flexiondotorg: as far as I'm concerned - all I'd want to know is that you wanted to take part and that Ubuntu MAte was on the beta1 wiki before I wander off in the morning
[19:57] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1
[19:57] <flexiondotorg> elfy, I want to participate.
[19:59] <flexiondotorg> elfy, I have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1
[19:59] <flexiondotorg> elfy, Although it looks like my changes need approving.
[20:00] <elfy> it was there - dodgy wiki error - I moved you though :)
[20:00] <balloons> stgraber, actually I have no permissions to set owners on iso.qa.ubuntu.com.. can you fix that?
[20:01] <elfy> Laney: just in case you don't notice - Mate added to Beta 1 run
[20:03] <flexiondotorg> elfy, Thanks.
[20:05] <bdmurray> cjwatson: only use update_excuses for Trusty and Utopic though correct?
[21:00] <stgraber> balloons: so what's the LP team for MATE access to the tracker?
[21:00] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-release
[21:00] <elfy> stgraber: ^^
[21:04] <stgraber> ok, access updated
[21:05] <elfy> ty stgraber - I see that here
[22:52] <cjwatson> bdmurray: For now, but it'll hopefully exist for precise fairly soon too.  Never lucid though.
[22:59] <bdmurray> cjwatson: something like this? http://people.canonical.com/~brian/tmp/sru-report.html
[23:00] <cjwatson> bdmurray: looks pretty good!
[23:00] <cjwatson> (modulo lack of line breaks and such in a few places which I'm sure you've spotted)
[23:01] <cjwatson> but yeah, that's pretty close to what I was thinking of.  Indeed probably doesn't make sense to introduce a new column and have the page be even wider
[23:01] <bdmurray> cjwatson: right, I'll fix that up
[23:50] <bluesabre> I don't seem to be able to upload thunar to vivid/vivid-proposed... "The signer of this package is lacking the upload rights for the source package, component or package set in question." I still appear to be in the packageset, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/vivid/xubuntu - any idea whats going on?
[23:55] <ScottK> bluesabre: Seems a bit odd.  It's in mythbuntu and studio, but not xubuntu
[23:57] <bluesabre> ScottK: don't suppose there's an easy resolution? :)
[23:57] <ScottK> Easy is ask Laney and wait.  Won't be quick however.
[23:58] <bluesabre> ok, np
[23:58] <bluesabre> Thanks ScottK