[00:04] <adrian47> hahahah, wifi works, interesting is that i disabled it at building process because of build errors :)
[00:07] <mariogrip> :)
[00:13] <adrian47> I'm going to sleep now, good night :)
[00:13] <mariogrip> Good night :)
[00:58] <sturmflut_> mariogrip: Are you planning on getting an university degree? It will certainly help with your plans of getting a job in IT, and maybe at Canonical.
[00:59] <mariogrip> I don't know yet, right now i'm studying electronic and computer electronics.
[01:01] <sturmflut_> mariogrip: That's a good start!
[01:02] <sturmflut_> I've got a masters degree in Computer Science and most developers I know have a similar education.
[01:04] <mariogrip> but most of my programming skills have i develop by my self, with trying and trying. I have been programming since i was about 12 years old. i remember i started with some simple bat files that i made to my friends :)
[01:05] <mariogrip> I want to take Computer Science after this year
[01:06] <mariogrip> What i'm learning now, is programming microcontrolers and putting electronic logic together
[01:09] <sturmflut_> mariogrip: I went down the same path, back in the nineties. Together with one of the guys on this channel, who's now working for Canonical ;)
[01:10] <mariogrip> That's cool!  :)
[01:37] <mariogrip> Good night guys! cya tomorrow.
[01:38] <RobbyF2> see ya
[03:31] <OHIRC> cgc
[03:32] <OHIRC> da
[03:44] <OHIRC> g
[03:44] <OHIRC> Anyone on?
[05:51] <bzoltan_> zbenjamin:  would you please respond to this http://askubuntu.com/questions/588185/ubuntu-sdk-first-usage-problems
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <jakew02> has anyone begun porting the nexus 6?
[07:31] <jakew02> I've started and was just curious, for collaboration
[07:49] <AskUbuntu> How to install Tamil ltouchanguage in Ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/588818
[09:36] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: uh, that looks like the required python libraries are not in his emulator
[09:38] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: i hope they have not been dropped again
[09:41] <bzoltan_> zbenjamin:  omg
[10:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Banana Bread Day! :-D
[11:21] <mandel> Elleo, morning! can you please retest https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/test-space-left/+merge/249093
[11:21] <mandel> Elleo, revno 341
[11:27] <Elleo> mandel: sure thing
[11:27] <mandel> Elleo, thx!
[11:31] <E524> Hi all, i have a question/problem regarding apt-get. since i can't replace my android right now with ubuntu. i have a dualboot on my nexus4 and would like to try out some shell stuff. i use the vivid version. i set to dev mode on the device and try to do what is describet here:
[11:31] <E524> http://askubuntu.com/questions/536333/ubuntu-touch-using-apt-get
[11:32] <E524> but the device is not found. also by restarting adb on my pc (running ubuntu)
[11:32] <E524> if i use adb with android bootet, there is no problem
[11:32] <E524> so the apt is still locked.
[11:33] <E524> so now my question: is it possible to turn the things on within ubuntu-touch. or what am i missing? a hint would be appreciated.
[11:35] <Elleo> E524: in recent versions of vivid you have to unlock the device before adb will be available
[11:35] <Elleo> E524: so that might be tripping you up if you're just trying to connect directly with the phone locked
[11:35] <E524> Elleo: what do you mean by unlock?
[11:35] <Elleo> E524: as in type in your password/pincode
[11:36] <Elleo> (on the phone itself)
[11:36] <E524> Elleo: ah ok. i understand. well actually would make sense. i'll try it you
[11:52] <E524> Elleo: no, still doesn't work. "adb shell id -ru" , returns: "error: device not found"
[11:53] <E524> (also after kill and start adb server on pc)
[11:55] <Elleo> E524: sorry, I'm not sure what else might be wrong then, perhaps it'd be worth asking on the mailinglist?
[11:56] <E524> Elleo: ok, thanks anyway. at least i know now i have always to unlock.
[12:29] <araramac> Hi,
[12:30] <araramac> I see that there is a new Porting guide available.. when I try to do a phablet-dev-bootstrap, i get a series of clone.bundle ignores.. just wanted to verify if anyone tried porting and was successful in cloning the repos
[12:31] <araramac> Fetching projects:   9% (13/134)  Fetching project aosp/platform/prebuilts/gcc/linux-x86/host/i686-linux-glibc2.7-4.4.3
[12:31] <araramac>   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
[12:31] <araramac>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
[12:31] <araramac>   0     0    0     0    0     0      0      0 --:--:--  0:00:01 --:--:--     0
[12:31] <araramac> 100  2399  100  2399    0     0   1612      0  0:00:01  0:00:01 --:--:--  1612
[12:31] <araramac> Invalid clone.bundle file; ignoring.
[12:31] <araramac> this happens for all repos that is cloned
[12:53] <E524> Elleo: ok could solve it. the solution was already on the mailinglist. i did (on device): sudo mount -o rw,remount /
[13:00] <penguinlord> alrighty, probably a silly question, but for some reason, my build environment isn't seeing kernel/[manufacturer]/[device]/include/ as part of teh include path
[13:00] <penguinlord> this results in getting errors like no such file or directory: linux/msm_mdp.h
[13:00] <penguinlord> ideas?
[13:37] <g105b> Advice please. I need a new phone, my business makes software and phone apps, I have used ubuntu on desktop/laptop forever ... do I get a phone with Ubuntu phone OS? If so, which phone do I buy?
[13:38] <ogra_> g105b, the bq aquaris 4.5 is the first ubuntu phone ... you can only buy it during flash sales though
[13:38] <g105b> hm, and the next one is unannounced?
[13:40] <popey> its announced but not available yet
[13:40] <g105b> I was wondering if there was an almost-fully-compatible phone that can run Ubuntu... just checked the channel MOTD and it seems that no phone is currently working 100%?
[13:40] <g105b> popey: I see 20150211 14:00 UTC, when is the next one?
[13:40] <ogra_> the bq is 100% working
[13:41] <ogra_> else it wouldnt be sold ;)
[13:41] <popey> I think he means the nexus status sheet
[13:41] <popey> where there's some missing features
[13:41] <ogra_> g105b, the flash slaes are announced ~1 day ahead on the @bqreaders and ubuntu twitter accounts
[13:42] <ogra_> (usually also missored on G+ annd facebook)
[13:42] <ogra_> *mirrored
[13:45] <g105b> I see. Well my current phone is broken, so I'd like to buy a replacement soon. How regular are the sales?
[13:45] <popey> they've been weekly so far
[13:45] <popey> we don't know, that's up to bq I think.
[13:51] <g105b> popey: last question, how many days ago was the last sale?
[13:51] <popey> thursday last week
[13:53] <g105b> Thanks, I may hold out phoneless until the next sale if there is one this week.
[13:53] <g105b> I'm very interested in the dual sim, is it functional?
[13:53] <ogra_> yep
[13:53] <ogra_> works fine
[13:54] <ogra_> all HW except some sensors (compass comes to mind) work fine
[13:56] <g105b> excellent, I wonder how the user interface differentiates the two SIMs. I have a phone just for business at the moment, a bit pointless to just leave it on the desk in the office all the time.
[13:57] <ogra_> oyu can select which sim you want to use in the phone app on demand ... and yu can set a sim as default in the settings
[13:58] <ogra_> (for either data or calls)
[13:59] <g105b> Sounds great. I take it you own one already, ogra_ ?
[13:59] <ogra_> sure
[13:59] <ogra_> i'm a developer :) i own it since a while :)
[13:59] <ogra_> and also use it since a while as my daily driver ... dual SIM comes in really handy when traveling
[14:02] <g105b> Yeah I can imagine. I'm a developer too.
[14:02] <g105b> Are there any down sides to the phone with it being so new? What about battery life under normal conditions?
[14:04] <ogra_> could be a little better ... it is about 16-18h under normal use for me, but we're working on improving that still
[14:21] <mandel> Elleo, hmm.. weird, the --size should be working correctly, can I have the logs?
[14:24] <Elleo> mandel: well you have --unzip in the args for --size call as well, so I was thinking it might be actually doing an unzip when it's supposed to be checking the size
[14:25] <Elleo> mandel: here's the log, don't see anything particularly relevant in it though: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10372720/
[14:25] <mandel> Elleo, yes, but that does not unzip it, just tells the helper to use the unzip cmd using -Zh (which should be like zipinfo)
[14:25] <Elleo> mandel: although it might be truncated due to having run out of disk space
[14:26] <Elleo> mandel: ah, okay
[14:26] <mandel> Elleo, the header idea is good, but not all servers do it properly, so this is a general fix, your approach is a nicer improvement
[14:26] <elopio> kenvandine: jgdx: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-system-settings/main_window_objectName/+merge/250262 ?
[14:26] <kenvandine> elopio, sure
[14:26] <mandel> Elleo, they are indeed truncated
[14:27] <jgdx> elopio, sure
[14:27] <Elleo> mandel: yeah, you'd definitely still need to do it afterwards, even if the server has the header the user might have used up some extra space whilst the download was happening
[14:27] <elopio> thanks.
[14:27] <kenvandine> mandel, any status update on your udm fix for check hash?
[14:27] <mandel> Elleo, correct
[14:27] <mandel> kenvandine, blocked by that branch, then will land it, sorry
[14:27] <kenvandine> ok
[14:27] <mandel> kenvandine, I had to decide what to land first
[14:28] <jgdx> Anyone not getting the numeric keypad for unlocking phone when a numeric passcode is set?
[14:28] <jgdx> Elleo, ^ not your court, but maybe you know?
[14:30] <Elleo> jgdx: just did a test on the latest vivid image and can't reproduce it, but I think you'd really need to ping whoever handles the lockscreen, since it doesn't use the keyboard for numeric entry, it has its own input thing
[14:31] <jgdx> Elleo, ah, okay. Thanks though
[14:31] <Elleo> no problem
[14:31] <jgdx> kenvandine, you running vivid as desktop daily driver?
[14:31] <kenvandine> jgdx, on my laptop
[14:31] <kenvandine> haven't switch my desktop over yet
[14:32] <jgdx> kenvandine, intel by any chance?
[14:32] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:32] <kenvandine> why?
[14:32] <jdstrand> adrian47: hey, fyi, I know mariogrip said that your issues might be apparmor or selinux, but the message you say indicates something with the dbus bus security policy-- not an LSM like apparmor or selinux
[14:32] <jgdx> kenvandine, have you seen crashes as in laptop shuts down unexpectedly?
[14:32] <kenvandine> nope
[14:34] <jgdx> http://i.imgur.com/LaK41OW.jpg
[14:35] <popey> pffft
[14:35] <popey> clean installs are overrated
[14:35] <rpadovani> I have a doubt about the porting guide. In 'Set up your development environment' there is a list of packages to install. On of these is mingw32, but it isn't available on vivid
[14:35] <rpadovani> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=mingw32
[14:35] <rpadovani> what's the substitute?
[14:36] <popey> ooh
[14:40] <gcollura> do we have qtquick 2.4 on rtm and vivid already?
[14:42] <ogra_> rpadovani, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android/20141117-0039-0ubuntu11
[14:43] <rpadovani> ogra_, danke. I think should be reported to the porting guide too
[14:43] <ogra_> well, i dont think that new package doesnt exist in older releases
[14:43] <rpadovani> (or an advice at the start of the guide "It has been tested on ubuntu 14.04")
[14:43] <popey> davidcalle: ^^^^
[14:43] <ogra_> *does
[14:44] <popey> rpadovani: can be filed as a bug in lp...
[14:44] <rpadovani> ogra_, actually, there is: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=g%2B%2B-mingw-w64-i686&searchon=names
[14:45] <popey> rpadovani: https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/
[14:45] <rpadovani> popey, on it
[14:45] <popey> thanks!
[14:45] <ogra_> well, if it fulfills the purpose on older releases too, lets just change it
[14:45] <davidcalle> rpadovani, yes a bug report please, thanks for the heads up!
[14:45] <ogra_> i'm just a bit worried about having one section per release in the end
[14:49] <rpadovani> davidcalle, popey https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1424663
[14:49] <popey> ta
[14:49] <dobey> so, anyone know how to create an sbuild or lxc chroot for ubuntu-rtm/14.09?
[14:51] <dobey> debootstrap doesn't seem to like it
[15:00] <dobey> cjwatson: ^^ any ideas how to tell mk-sbuild how to bootstrap an ubuntu-rtm 14.09 chroot?
[15:04] <cjwatson> dobey: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/01/29/%23ubuntu-ci-eng.html#t17:45
[15:06] <dobey> hmm
[15:20] <adrian47> jdstrand, thanks I fixed it yesterday :)
[15:22] <dobey> cjwatson: hrmm, i grabbed the chroot tarball off launchpad and untarred it as /var/lib/schroot/chroots/ubuntu-rtm-14.09-amd64
[15:22] <dobey> cjwatson: but sbuild -A -d ubuntu-rtm-14.09 ../unity-scopes-shell_0.5.4+15.04.20141216.1-0ubuntu1.dsc just immediately fails and doesn't say why :-/
[15:22] <adrian47> I have some riddle :) My boot partition has 4.2Mb and boot.img takes 6.6Mb what can i do with it?
[15:23] <jdstrand> adrian47: glad to here
[15:23] <jdstrand> hear*
[15:23] <cjwatson> dobey: Did you add configuration in /etc/schroot/chroot.d/ too?
[15:23] <dobey> cjwatson: ah, no
[15:24] <cjwatson> dobey: sbuild-launchpad-chroot is in the archive, though I haven't tried it myself in general and specifically not on 14.09
[15:25] <dobey> hrmm, still fials :-/
[15:25] <dobey> fails
[15:30] <l3on> Hi, according with Doc - > https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/sdk-14.10/previewwidgets/#header
[15:30] <l3on> I should add a "emblem" to widget header, this is how I do it.
[15:30] <l3on>     header.add_attribute_mapping("emblem", "available_img");
[15:30] <l3on> with -> available_img = sc::Variant(book.available_img);
[15:31] <l3on> however, when I see my debug prints, I do not find the "img reqeust" for the emblem.. and the emblem is not added to the preview of my scope... am I missing something ?
[15:40] <dobey> l3on: "available_img" doesn't look like a valid URI, you're passing a variable name as a string and not the Variant which I presume is what you're trying to pass
[15:41] <l3on> dobey, is not the correct way with the add_attribute_mapping ?
[15:43] <l3on> these work fine:
[15:43] <l3on>     header.add_attribute_mapping("title", "title");
[15:43] <l3on>     header.add_attribute_mapping("subtitle", "author");
[15:46] <dobey> l3on: no, add_attribue_value() is how you add attribute values
[15:48] <dobey> _mapping() is to map attributes to custom fields for the components map
[15:49] <dobey> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/sdk-14.10/unity.scopes.PreviewWidget/#a8bb890267a69dd6bb5ca70b663c75e74
[15:50] <adrian47> When i used lzma to compress it i get 5.7Mb file from 6.6Mb but it's still to big
[15:51] <adrian47> Anyone have some idea? :) Symlink in boot.img is possible?
[15:51] <l3on> dobey, so the how can I add an img to the emblem, the img is variable.. never fixed, it depends on the book I'm looking at
[15:52] <dobey> l3on: the emblem value requires a URI to an image file
[15:53] <l3on> my "book.available_img" is a remote URI ... which get back the image
[15:53] <dobey> l3on: header.add_attribute_value("emblem", Variant("http://whatever.com/emblem.png")); for example (which is exactliy the example in the documentation you linked to)
[15:54] <dobey> if book.available_img is a string variable, then Variant(book.available_img) would be the variant you use there
[15:55] <mcphail> adrian47: is the kernel bulked by debug symbols?
[15:55] <dobey> a Variant doesn't mean it changes randomly. a Variant is just a special type which can contain different types of values of other types
[15:56] <l3on> dobey, I do not understand here ...
[15:56] <l3on> in query.cpp I have this:
[15:56] <l3on> res["available_img"] = sc::Variant(book.available_img);
[15:56] <l3on> so I expect that this will work:
[15:56] <l3on>     header.add_attribute_mapping("emblem", "available_img");
[15:56] <l3on> in the same way this works:
[15:57] <l3on>     header.add_attribute_mapping("subtitle", "author");
[15:57] <l3on> no ?
[15:59] <dobey> well i can't see your code, so i don't know what you're doing wrong. and i don't know that you're actually passing a valid URI. you're only assuming you are. is it actually a valid URI with valid content being served at that URI?
[16:00] <l3on> dobey, I use that value in the "grid" preview .. and it works
[16:00] <l3on>  builder.add_tuple({
[16:00] <l3on>                     {"value", sc::Variant(_("Available"))},
[16:00] <l3on>                     {"icon", res["available_img"]},
[16:00] <l3on>                 });
[16:01] <l3on> in query.cpp ^
[16:01] <adrian47> mcphail, you mean settings in kernel config? something like CONFIG_CGROUP_DEBUG=y; CONFIG_SLUB_DEBUG=y ?
[16:03] <mcphail> adrian47: I can't remember the parameters off the top of my head, but "make menuconfig" has an option to turn off most debugging symbols and all the minor ones you mention can also be turned off (unless you plan on debugging the kernel)
[16:03] <mariogrip> ogra_ can you help me out today? adb is not starting at boot, it fails at /sbin/adbd in script/panic/adbd fileadbd... this is the error i get (259): undefined instruction
[16:03] <mcphail> adrian47: can often save a few (hundred) megabytes!
[16:03] <ogra_> mariogrip, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/adbd replace the initrd adbd with that one
[16:03] <ogra_> (and the one on the fs too
[16:03] <ogra_> )
[16:04] <mariogrip> I tried that, last time we talked
[16:04] <adrian47> mcphail, relly? that much?  I can try, thanks :)
[16:04] <ogra_> that should work in the initrd at least
[16:05] <ogra_> for the rootfs you might need to also create an upstart job
[16:06] <l3on> dobey, I think it's a bug in the doc .. in the code there's no emblem in the PreviewHeader !
[16:06] <mariogrip> i'll give it another shot, btw do ubuntu phone uses the init.rc file? or just it's own files
[16:06] <dobey> i don't know
[16:07] <l3on> filing a bug
[16:07] <dobey> Saviq, tsdgeos: ^^ is there or is there not an "emblem" for header preview widget?
[16:07] <mcphail> adrian47: worth a try anyway
[16:07] <tsdgeos> dobey: doesn't seem familiar
[16:08] <tsdgeos> dobey: which doc mentions it?
[16:08] <l3on> tsdgeos, https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/sdk-14.10/previewwidgets/#header
[16:08] <ogra_> mariogrip, ubuntu phone uses the same as ubuntu desktop ... init.rc is only used in the lxc container later
[16:08] <ogra_> so you want upstart to manage your adbd
[16:08] <ogra_> (and the adbd inside the container gets explicitly removed, so init.rc wouldnt help you there )
[16:09] <tsdgeos> l3on: it has attributes, not emblem
[16:10] <l3on> attributes as a list of tuples, right ?
[16:11] <tsdgeos> yes
[16:11] <tsdgeos> otoh the previewheader was designed to be similar to the card header
[16:11] <tsdgeos> and the card header has emblem
[16:11] <tsdgeos> i guess we didn't do it in the previewheader because it came later on
[16:12] <l3on> I just spent 3 hours on this...
[16:13] <tsdgeos> l3on: i'd report two bugs
[16:13] <tsdgeos> 1 saying that the documentation needs to be fixed to adjust to reality
[16:13] <tsdgeos> 2 saying that previewheader should probably support emblem since it's designed to be a card header but in the preview
[16:13] <l3on> ok, going to file them
[16:14] <tsdgeos> sorry this bug took 3 hours to be found :/
[16:14] <tsdgeos> 2nd is against unity8
[16:14] <tsdgeos> 1st is against not sure
[16:14] <tsdgeos> unity-scopes-smothing?
[16:14] <tsdgeos> dobey: do you happen to know who to assign a bug on the contents of https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/sdk-14.10/previewwidgets/#header ?
[16:15] <tsdgeos> dpm: ↑ ? popey: ↑ ?
[16:15] <dobey> tsdgeos: afaik those docs are generated from the source code
[16:15] <dobey> tsdgeos: so the doxygen source is presumably wrong
[16:15] <tsdgeos> dobey: sure, but of which repo?
[16:16] <dobey> tsdgeos: unity8, unity-scopes-shell, or unity-scopes-api i would guess
[16:17] <dobey> not sure which one provides docs for the widget types exactly
[16:17] <tsdgeos> unity-scpès-api
[16:18] <tsdgeos> l3on: ↑ for the first bug
[16:18] <tsdgeos> unity-scopes-api i mean
[16:18] <l3on> "attributes" works like a charm
[16:19] <l3on> what ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8
[16:20] <rpadovani> l3on, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8
[16:20] <l3on> rpadovani, thanks
[16:20] <dobey> "ubuntu-bug $package" ftw
[16:29] <l3on> fist one - > bug 1424720
[16:40] <adrian47> mcphail, it didn't changed anything :)
[16:41] <l3on> second one -> bug 1424723
[16:41] <mcphail> adrian47: probably most of the "fat" options removed already
[16:41] <l3on> thank you tsdgeos and dobey for help :)
[16:41] <mcphail> adrian47: worth a try, though. A desktop kernel with full debug symbols runs to hundreds of MB
[16:43] <adrian47> mcphail, any idea is worth a try in my situation :) Many thanks
[16:45] <Chipaca> am I showing my age if I'm shocked the icon for an app is nearly 4M in size?
[16:53] <kenvandine> Chipaca, not showing your age, just your sanity :)
[16:55] <kenvandine> has anyone else noticed notification beeps with nothing showing up in the notification area?
[16:56] <kenvandine> i noticed it all weekend on my mako
[16:56] <kenvandine> weird
[16:56]  * kenvandine wonders if it's a push notification that's failing to add to the messaging indicator?
[16:58] <Chipaca> kenvandine: find /usr/share/icons/ -type f \! -name \*.cache -printf "%s %p\n" | sort -n | tail
[16:58] <kenvandine> Chipaca, that's terrible!
[16:59] <Chipaca> kenvandine: it's a lovely, lovely app icon though
[16:59] <kenvandine> dialer-app and music are significantly larger than the others
[16:59] <Chipaca> kenvandine: and the notepad one
[16:59] <kenvandine> i don't have that one
[16:59]  * ahayzen_ ducks
[17:00] <adrian47> Someone else have idea how to make boot.img smaller? I need boot it now via fastboot
[17:00] <kenvandine> but between the 2 i have... that's 7MB
[17:00] <triath> Where can I find development status of bluetooth, to see when it will be enabled on N10?
[17:00] <Chipaca> kenvandine: in my day, our whole computer would boot with less than that on the hard drive!
[17:00] <kenvandine> indeed
[17:02] <ahayzen_> kenvandine, that much larger /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mobile/apps/scalable/music.svg file...is that actually from the music-app ?
[17:02] <kenvandine> ahayzen_, not sure
[17:02] <ahayzen_> kenvandine, this one which is much smaller seems to match the one in our tree /usr/share/icons/suru/apps/scalable/music-app.svg
[17:03] <kenvandine> from the theme
[17:03] <mariogrip> ogra_ the error is gone, but adbd is still not starting...
[17:03] <ogra_> mariogrip, in the initrd ?
[17:03] <kenvandine> maybe that's the icon used for the scope
[17:03] <ogra_> mariogrip, on the rootfs you might need an upstart job that starts it
[17:03] <ogra_> the default one wont fire until lightdm works
[17:04] <mariogrip> in the initrd (using break=init)
[17:04] <ahayzen_> kenvandine, hmm we don't actually have a svg for the icon ... we have a png ?
[17:05] <ogra_> mariogrip, hmm thats weird
[17:05] <ogra_> there is no reason why it shouldnt start
[17:05] <kenvandine> ahayzen_, i think both of those are theme icons
[17:05] <ahayzen_> kenvandine, yeah same
[17:05] <kenvandine> but the big one was from ubuntu-mobile
[17:06] <mariogrip> here is last_kmsg before your adbd: http://hastebin.com/umaxijubah.coffee  after replaced with yours: http://hastebin.com/dumunoyice.md
[17:07]  * genii hears something about coffee, wanders back out
[17:08] <mariogrip> I see that iSerial is not set, is this something that may be needed? (ogra_)
[17:08] <ogra_> mariogrip, yeah, but there shoudl be a code snippet that deos this
[17:08] <ogra_> *does
[17:09] <Chipaca> kenvandine: a lot of app icons in both suru and ubuntu-mobile are huge; anything over a few hundred k's feels too big to me already
[17:09] <Chipaca> and that's more than half of 'em
[17:09] <Chipaca> no, i lie. just under half of 'em.
[17:10] <Chipaca> 97 SVGs, and #62 crosses the 100k mark
[17:10]  * Chipaca goes back to complaining about other stuff
[17:11] <kenvandine> Chipaca, yeah, feels like an easy way to reclaim some space
[17:35] <ogra_> mariogrip, scripts/panic/adbd is the snippet that gets executed on panic or break
[17:36] <mariogrip> jup i know
[17:36] <mariogrip> i added break=init to the kernel cmdline
[17:37] <ogra_> and you did put adbd into /sbin i guess ?
[17:37] <mariogrip> yes
[17:38] <ogra_> is it executable ?
[17:38] <mariogrip> no, it was not. now it is...
[17:39] <ogra_> :)
[17:42] <mariogrip> ogra_ i'm sorry to say that is still not working :P I will pull last_kmsg to see if there is new
[17:42] <ogra_> heh
[17:43] <ogra_> good luck
[17:43] <ogra_> though iirc you had booted to the rootfs already ...
[17:43] <ogra_> so it should be possible to put an upstart job in place that forces the gadget on and starts adbd in there
[17:45] <mariogrip> ogra_ I got something new :) [   15.870154] adbd (368): undefined instruction: pc=b6da7368
[17:45] <mariogrip> [   15.870229] Code: 00000000 00000000 f26ee1fe e12fff1e (ee190f1d)
[17:45] <mariogrip> [   15.870760] adb_open
[17:45] <ogra_> hmm
[17:45] <ogra_> i wonder if thats not an armhf binary
[17:46] <ogra_> can you run file on it ?
[17:48] <mariogrip> ogra_ what do you mean?
[17:48] <ogra_> file /sbin/adbd
[17:48] <ogra_> to see what kind of binary it is
[17:49] <mariogrip> ramdisk/sbin/adbd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=f743a2482973f4d6b6c3108b522579b542237a18, stripped
[17:49] <ogra_> hmm, looks fine to me
[17:50] <mariogrip> the adbd that is used by recovery is bigger in size, are try different?
[17:51] <mariogrip> they*
[17:52] <ogra_> recovery is android
[17:52] <mariogrip> okey, so it's a custom adbd
[17:53] <ogra_> no
[17:53] <mariogrip> I guess android uses the same adbd in recovery as in the os.
[17:54] <ogra_> it uses the same adbd as the ubuntu one
[17:54] <ogra_> but built against bionic
[17:54] <ogra_> ubuntu uses glibc
[17:54] <mariogrip> ah, okay
[17:54] <ogra_> so you cant just exec an android binary in ubuntu
[17:54] <ogra_> or vice versa
[17:55] <ogra_> (though iirc adbd is statically linked ... which means it might work ... never tired :) )
[17:57] <mariogrip> so, should i try to replace adbd with that one from recovery (that i know works with this phone)
[17:58] <ogra_> try it
[17:58] <ogra_> cant really break more, can it ?
[17:58] <mariogrip> :P
[17:58]  * ogra_ would just go for the rootfs ...
[18:00]  * mariogrip has no idea how far it boots without adb (and adding debug in the kernel argument will spam kmsg so badly it panics)
[18:00] <ogra_> it obviously booted to the rootfs in the last logs i have seen from you
[18:01] <mariogrip> Okey, Than i will try that! maybe i have better luck with that :)
[18:01] <ogra_> you will need to create an upstart job with the echo stuff in it
[18:02] <ogra_> i..e similar to the panic script snippet
[18:03] <adrian47> Is better method to compress boot.img? i need something better than lzma, or any other idea to make boot.img smaller
[18:04] <mariogrip> ogra_ what file is the first to get called after init?
[18:04] <uuhimhere> adrian47, http://free-electrons.com/pub/conferences/2008/elc/linux-tiny.pdf
[18:05] <mariogrip> what is the first file to get called in rootsf?
[18:05] <ogra_> mariogrip, init calls upstart jobs based on events ... the first event is the "startup" evennt
[18:05] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10375426/
[18:06] <ogra_> mariogrip, save the above as /etc/init/adbd.conf in your rootfs
[18:06] <ogra_> put the adbd binary into /sbin in the rootfs and try ...
[18:07] <mariogrip> I will try, give me a second
[18:07] <ogra_> adrian47, xz shoves off a few extra bytes ... but your kernel needs to support it
[18:09] <adrian47> With lzma size changed from 6.6Mb to  5.7Mb but my boot partition has 4.2Mb
[18:15] <mariogrip> ogra_ booting in excitement
[18:15]  * ogra_ now just read "excrement" and was wondering 
[18:16] <dobey> excitement and excrement just go together for monkeys
[18:17] <mariogrip> What, what tha did i just wrote?
[18:17] <genii> Well, sometimes booting can cause either one ( excitement or excrement)
[18:18] <ogra_> mariogrip, nothing, my eyes just go dim ... i'm old :)
[18:18] <mariogrip> google translate says it's correct???
[18:19] <mariogrip> AHH, i see :P hehe you got me....
[18:21] <mariogrip> humm, back to the booting... it does not work!!! why?
[18:21]  * mariogrip forgot to set the permission.... again
[18:22] <adrian47> is possible to symlink boot.img from other partition?
[18:22] <dobey> ogra_: and it's already getting dark where you are :P
[18:22] <adrian47> or maybe some files
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> will the new RTM updates also apply to channel=devel?
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-for-Phones-New-RTM-Update-Makes-It-Faster-and-Smoother-Video-Tour-474014.shtml
[18:24]  * mariogrip needs to print this in his head chmod +x
[18:27] <mariogrip> lol init: Failed to spawn adbd main process: unable to execute: Permission denied
[18:28] <mariogrip> NICE!!!! IT WORKS!!!!!
[18:28] <ogra_> mariogrip, that was the other init ;)
[18:28] <ogra_> there are two ...
[18:28] <ogra_> (one in container, the other in ubuntu)
[18:28] <ogra_> ps ax|grep init
[18:29] <ryan_evos> mariogrip, break through? (Catching up on IRC messages)
[18:29] <ogra_> (there is one /init and one /sbin/init)
[18:29] <ogra_> sadly the android init doesnt say "android" in the logs :)
[18:30] <mariogrip> but it works now, i just forgot to set permission
[18:31] <mariogrip> \o/
[18:31] <ogra_> right, but there will always be some complaint from the android side
[18:31] <ogra_> since we steal adbd there befoe the container starts :)
[18:31] <ogra_> conrats !
[18:31] <ogra_> +g
[18:33] <mariogrip> :) one of my dreams is to work at canonical, I just love open source!
[18:35] <ogra_> well, my team just has a position open ...
[18:35] <mariogrip> I guess i'm too young yet
[18:35] <mariogrip> 18 years, and still a student
[18:36] <ogra_> its a matter of skills, not age :)
[18:36] <mariogrip> :)
[18:36] <ogra_> (admittedly some skills are kind of tied to age though :) )
[18:37] <mariogrip> hehe :P
[18:37] <ogra_> https://ldd.tbe.taleo.net/ldd01/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=950 ... FYI
[18:37] <ogra_> (or anyone else in here)
[18:38] <mariogrip> yeah i was looking at that :)
[18:40] <ryan_evos> would be a fun position getting to help build a new technology
[18:42] <mariogrip> when will there be a new flash sale for the bq phone?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> nothing shows on the twitter yet
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> mariogrip: https://twitter.com/bqreaders
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> im curious if the third will be sold out also :p
[18:43] <mariogrip> btw, they say they shipping to Europe, but why issn't norway included?
[18:44] <ogra_> because it isnt EU ?
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> norway is scandinavia right
[18:44] <mariogrip> Ye
[18:44] <mariogrip> s
[18:44] <ogra_> (i'm pretty sure it will be shipped there too though)
[18:45] <ogra_> (but better ask them first :) )
[18:45] <mariogrip> :)
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> this is really nice for ubuntu touc, video's showing up all over the net
[18:47] <mariogrip> btw, norway is "with just a half foot" in EU aka EØS
[18:48] <ogra_> yeah
[18:49] <jgdx> mariogrip, someone asked and they said yes, is the last I recall. Where do you study?
[18:49] <mariogrip> In norway, School paid by Norway
[18:49] <mariogrip> VGS
[18:50] <jgdx> videregående
[18:50] <mariogrip> jup
[18:50] <mariogrip> data&electronik
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> norway is beautyfull
[18:51] <ryan_evos> Okay I'm caught up
[18:51] <ryan_evos> lol
[18:51] <mariogrip> and expensive........ daam 25% in taxes
[18:51] <ogra_> and cold
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> and expensive alcohol
[18:51] <mariogrip> and rich! daaam rich!
[18:51] <ogra_> :)
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> and faaast internet lines
[18:51] <mariogrip> All them oil
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> bredsbandsbogalet
[18:52] <jgdx> that's Sweden, though
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[18:52] <mariogrip> YEAH! 1000Mb/s
[18:53] <mariogrip> altibox as we call it
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> whats the lines called again
[18:54] <mariogrip> lotus: breiband?
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[18:55] <jgdx> mariogrip, I'm guessing Rogaland
[18:55] <mariogrip> jgdx: Nope, hordaland, bergen
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> https://www.altibox.no/omaltibox/presse/pressemeldinger?p_p_id=62_INSTANCE_9B5e&p_p_lifecycle=0&p_p_state=normal&_62_INSTANCE_9B5e_groupId=10327&_62_INSTANCE_9B5e_struts_action=%2Fjournal_articles%2Fview&_62_INSTANCE_9B5e_version=1.0&_62_INSTANCE_9B5e_articleId=3249036
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:56] <jgdx> mariogrip, don't we say Bredbånd here, though?
[18:56] <mariogrip> jgdx, Thows silly oslo people! no it's Breiband
[18:56] <mariogrip> xP
[18:57] <mariogrip> hehe, jk
[19:04] <ryan_evos> I don't assume anyone is working on a project to make Ubuntu Touch talk to wearables?
[19:05] <ryan_evos> (such as the Moto360 on my wrist) :)
[19:06] <dobey> does the moto360 have an open API that will be usable on platforms other than android?
[19:07] <mariogrip> dosn't moto360 run androidWear?
[19:08] <ryan_evos> Yeah
[19:08] <ryan_evos> It is Android Wear
[19:08] <ryan_evos> I'm looking at the dev page now
[19:08] <dobey> cwayne_: hey! i hit the situation where the untappd webapp wasn't logging in any more, and now i can't create an untappd account at all after deleting the existing one. when i log in for the oauth, it just exits when successful
[19:08] <ryan_evos> I saw someone post a tutorial on getting iOS notifications to show up on it
[19:08] <cwayne_> dobey, hm, havent seen that, will take a look
[19:08] <ryan_evos> Can't remember where I saw that.
[19:09] <dobey> cwayne_: i tried to see if there was something logged somewhere, but i didn't ssee anything in system-settings log anyway
[19:11] <ryan_evos> Here is the article showing iOS notifications to Android Wear: http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/22/iphone-notifications-on-android-wear/
[19:11] <ryan_evos> This obviously really isn't a big deal and affects a super-small percentage of people
[19:11] <ryan_evos> But just curious as to whether or not anyone had looked into it
[19:12]  * ogra_ doubts that 
[19:12] <dobey> i don't think so
[19:12] <dobey> and i'm guessing just seeing notifications is probably not all that useful
[19:13] <ryan_evos> dobey, that is essentially what Wear does now (with a short preview for some)
[19:13] <ryan_evos> But I'm thinking it would be a major pain to get sorted out
[19:13] <ryan_evos> not to mention trying to get apps to play nice with it
[19:13] <dobey> ryan_evos: somehow i think people would want camera integration, and other things
[19:14] <ryan_evos> Yeah, it'd probably be a PITA.
[19:14] <ryan_evos> But it'll turn out to be another form of lock-in to the two existing platforms (iOS and Android)
[19:15] <ryan_evos> Cuz they'll be like, "But, but, my watch..."
[19:15] <ogra_> just get an ubuuntu watch ... they are known to work OOTB with ubuntu phones :P
[19:16] <ryan_evos> lol, ogra_ , I'll get right on that :)
[19:16] <ogra_> ;)
[19:16] <genii> ogra_: There's such a thing now? Does it run snappy or such?
[19:16] <mariogrip> Project ubuntu wear
[19:17] <genii> Hm
[19:17] <ryan_evos> lol
[19:17]  * ogra_ grins
[19:17] <popey> TROLOLOLOLOLOLLLL
[19:17] <mariogrip> xP
[19:17] <ogra_> you know ... it is only watches ...
[19:17] <genii> popey: Thanks, saved me precious minutes if not hours googling for it now
[19:17] <dobey> it would probably be more plausible to do something with metawatch
[19:17] <ogra_> so we dont call it ubuntu wear but "ubuntu arm"
[19:18] <dobey> i think it even takes qml for displaying some custom ui bits
[19:18] <ogra_> exists since years ... we just didnt rell anyone it is for the watches :)
[19:18] <josepht> ubuntu snappy watch, with a snap band :)
[19:18] <mariogrip> ubuntu arm xP
[19:18] <kenvandine> lol
[19:19]  * davmor2 just leaves this here for ogra_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkTb9GP9lVI
[19:19] <dobey> ogra_: now we have ubuntu arm64, specially designed for hindu gods
[19:19] <ogra_> davmor2, blocked in .de
[19:19] <ogra_> dobey, ++
[19:20] <davmor2> ogra_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy0Bvu7vy9I try that one
[19:20] <ryan_evos> (head dance)
[19:21] <dobey> davmor2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zf5dktXzEs
[19:22] <kenvandine> Chipaca, where can i find push service logs?
[19:22] <davmor2> dobey: nice
[19:23] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10376497/
[19:23] <kenvandine> Chipaca, ^^ that's what i saw in syslog around the time i heard a beep... but nothing is showing in the messaging indicator
[19:24] <mariogrip> echo "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ" >$ogra_ || true
[19:24] <kenvandine> Chipaca, how can i see what that push request was for?
[19:24] <Chipaca> kenvandine: what's in ~/.cache/upstart/ubuntu-push-client.log ?
[19:24] <sergiusens> kenvandine: ~/.cache/upstart/ubuntu-push-*
[19:24] <Chipaca> kenvandine: there won't be _much_ in the logs, unless you have debug logs on
[19:25] <kenvandine> oh... how is it i didn't see that :)
[19:25] <kenvandine> 2015/02/23 14:20:19.042513 ERROR not connected after 1m0s; giving up^M
[19:25] <kenvandine> that's useless :/
[19:25] <kenvandine> lots of those
[19:26] <kenvandine> wow... at 6 minute intervals
[19:26] <kenvandine> to the second
[19:26] <kenvandine> that's weird
[19:26] <kenvandine> 2015/02/23 13:50:17.128824 ERROR not connected after 1m0s; giving up^M
[19:26] <kenvandine> 2015/02/23 13:56:17.103396 ERROR not connected after 1m0s; giving up^M
[19:27] <mariogrip> i need to get working :P enough trolling around in the irc
[19:28] <Chipaca> kenvandine: that's not weird
[19:28] <Chipaca> kenvandine: it wakes every ~5 minutes, waits a max of a minute for it to connect, gives up if it isn't connected
[19:30] <kenvandine> Chipaca, how do i turn on debugging?
[19:31] <kenvandine> i keep thinking i have notifications i need to look at... but notta
[19:31] <kenvandine> i've been getting gmail and telegram notifications fine today, and over the weekend
[19:31] <kenvandine> but i am also getting random beeps... without nothing in the notifications
[19:31] <kenvandine> makes me think something is failing
[19:32] <kenvandine> 2015/02/23 12:05:52.182567 INFO com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-gmail_webapp-gmail-helper_1.0.25 helper output: {"notification":{"sound":"sounds/ubuntu/notifications/Blip.ogg","vib
[19:32] <kenvandine> rate":{"duration":200},"tag":"gmail-overflow"}}^M
[19:32] <kenvandine> i am seeing those in the log
[19:32] <kenvandine> but i've actually seen notifications for them
[19:54] <kenvandine> ah ha!  it is gmail... sometimes it's not getting added to the indicator... but giving me beeps
[19:54] <kenvandine> 2015/02/23 14:52:47.904254 INFO com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-gmail_webapp-gmail-helper_1.0.25 helper output: {"notification":{"sound":"sounds/ubuntu/notifications/Blip.ogg","vibrate":{"duration":200},"tag":"gmail-overflow"}}
[19:54] <kenvandine> i was watching the log :-D
[19:56] <kenvandine> dbarth__, have you seen any bugs related to this?  push notifications for gmail sending a sound notification but failing to add anything in the messaging menu?
[19:57] <mariogrip> ogra_ should i be able to see folders (with ls) in android/system? (they are not there)
[19:57] <kenvandine> dbarth__, i've seen gmail notifications in the messaging menu today, but I've also been getting frequent sound notifications with nothing in the messaging menu
[20:53] <AskUbuntu> how to fix broadcom drivers for ubuntu touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/589040
[20:58] <batopa> hi
[21:11] <elopio> balloons: popey: the error you are getting with adt-run is because your image is older than the archive.
[21:11] <elopio> are you testing with a freshly flashed device?
[21:12] <elopio> balloons: popey: and the other error after you updated apt it's something we are investigating.
[21:12] <elopio> it seems that now you can't introspect click apps when the phone is readonly, because they don't find the testability library.
[21:14] <elopio> sudo mount -o rw,remount /
[21:14] <elopio> sudo apt-get update
[21:14] <elopio> sudo apt-get install qttestability-autopilot
[21:14] <elopio> sudo mount -o remount,ro /
[21:14] <elopio> an ugly workaround it is :)
[21:15] <elopio> about why the policy changed before anybody has given it a try, that's something we need to discuss.
[21:16] <elopio> I suppose ci has been running the click tests with rw.
[21:27] <willtm> Hello?
[21:28] <mariogrip> Hey
[21:28] <batopa> i'm trying to build an app using html5 sdk... looking at https://design.ubuntu.com/apps/building-blocks/header I see many component that I don't find in the sdk as 'navigation drawer', 'back', etc... I'm missing something?
[21:31] <willtm> Hello, I've got the latest version of touch on a nexus 2013 lte using an image from http://system-image.tasemnice.eu as recommended here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices.  I realize this the most tiresome and common issue but, I can't seem to get the wifi interface to "check" a secured network (unsecured networks can be selected just fine).  As I begin my troubleshooting, does anyone have recommendations?  I realize I'm leaving a lot out here..
[21:39] <balloons> elopio, hey, I saw your reply
[21:40] <balloons> you are correct that CI tests with r/w mode, and manually configures / installs things it needs. popey was testing with a freshly flashed vivid image, but we know the archive updates quickly enough. I reported a bug almost a year ago now about the issue and Martin implemented a fix. He later removed it I see, and the functionality more or less had to be done via setup-commands
[21:42] <balloons> Anyways adt-run works fine enough for me, but I wasn't expecting anyone to encounter this error (I thought we implemented apt-get update automagically if needed)
[21:44] <elopio> balloons: you can use --setup-commands ro-apt-update
[21:44] <elopio> but we can't hardcode it to run always. When the apt lists are updated, new versions of things that won't work in read-only might be installed.
[21:45] <dobey> if it's read-only, they can't install (and apt lists can't be updated)
[21:47] <balloons> elopio, hmm.. I used --setup-commands "apt-get update". I didn't see this documented anywhere though.. How is ro-apt-update different?
[21:50] <elopio> balloons: not much: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/autopkgtest/vivid/view/head:/setup-commands/ro-apt-update
[21:52] <balloons> ahh, right, should have looked
[21:54] <balloons> elopio, ahh well, sadly none of this helps popey anyway as he device still doesn't work. What is the danger of always updating apt?
[21:57] <batopa> Is there someone who develops html5 apps?
[22:00] <kenvandine> batopa, might be better to ask in #ubuntu-app-devel
[22:00] <batopa> kenvandine ok, thanks a lot :)
[22:02] <kenvandine> batopa, sorry, i don't know much about our html5 app development
[22:05] <elopio> balloons: lets say that the toolkit was released to the archive after he flashed.
[22:05] <elopio> then apt-get update will bring the new version to the list.
[22:06] <elopio> when adt tries to install ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot, it will try to upgrade the qt toolkit libraries.
[22:07] <balloons> elopio, sure.. so then is it impossible to test on that version or ?
[22:07] <elopio> as the phone is read-only, the new libraries will be installed in the temporary directory where all the test dependencies are installed.
[22:07] <elopio> if we are lucky, the updated libraries will work from that temp directory. Then the problem is that we are not testing the image as it is installed in users phones.
[22:07] <balloons> elopio, right.. I suppose then the app may or may not be compatible with it or ?
[22:07] <elopio> if we are not lucky, then it will just not work.
[22:08] <balloons> so is this a fatal flaw then
[22:08] <balloons> ?
[22:08] <elopio> balloons: yes. An open issue that I don't know how to solve. Maybe keep old packages in the archive?
[22:09] <elopio> balloons: I reported this for the other issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1424845
[22:10] <balloons> elopio,  i guess I can open a discussion on the list about it
[22:10] <elopio> balloons: sounds good.
[22:11] <elopio> balloons: for now, on the sanity we are making the apt-get update optional.
[22:11] <elopio> with a notice on the readme that if you use it, your results might be invalid.
[22:16] <elopio> balloons: about the introspection issue I mentioned earlier, just forget about it. I was reading the wrong logs about an issue that now seems fixed.
[22:45] <Chipaca> kenvandine: sorry, didn't see your question before. if you have a writable image, just edit /etc/xdg/ubuntu-push-client/config.json; otherwise, cp -a /etc/xdg/ubuntu-push-client ~/.config/ ; you want to set log_level to "debug"
[22:45] <Chipaca> keithzg: *or*, `stop ubuntu-push-client; /usr/lib/ubuntu-push-client/ubuntu-push-client -log_level=debug`
[22:45] <Chipaca> um
[22:45] <Chipaca> kenvandine: ^
[22:47] <chris___> hi guys :) is there a guide somewhere on how to transfer data from pc to ubuntu touch? everything i do fails... mtp doesnt work on ubuntu/win7 and with ssh i also get 'access denied' :(
[22:48] <Chipaca> chris___: to use ssh you need to enable developer mode, and unlock the screen, i believe
[22:48] <Chipaca> mtp should work however
[22:48] <Chipaca> but as i always fight with it (with any camera/phone i've ever had), and have dev mode enabled anyway, ... :)
[22:49] <chris___> ok, lets first talk about mtp. i have a fresh install of ubuntu 14.10. And when i connect the phone i get Nexus 4 in nautilus
[22:49] <chris___> but i cant open it
[22:49] <chris___> but that was not true, what i said right now
[22:50] <chris___> it sometimes works and most of the time doesnt
[22:50] <chris___> and when it does, it wont let me write
[22:50] <chris___> only read
[22:50] <Chipaca> chris___: all i know is that it should work
[22:51] <Chipaca> chris___: literally; that is the extent of my knowledge on the subject
[22:51] <popey> yeah, works here.
[22:51] <Chipaca> chris___: have you changed the cable?
[22:51] <chris___> ok :D thanks. And how does it work with ssh? i was following this advice: http://askubuntu.com/questions/348714/ubuntu-touch-apt-get-install-openssh-server-error
[22:51] <chris___> is this still valid?
[22:52] <Chipaca> chris___: without looking at the article, i'm going to say it isn't
[22:52] <popey> it is
[22:52] <Chipaca> drat
[22:52] <popey> if you read it all
[22:52] <popey> UPDATE: (09-Mar-2014)
[22:52] <popey> read that bit
[22:52] <Chipaca> popey: you're going to make me read
[22:52] <Chipaca> i can barely focus
[22:52] <Chipaca> and askubuntu is all *white* and stuff
[22:53] <chris___> yes, i did this. and when i do status it also says that it is running
[22:53] <chris___> and then i do "ssh phablet@myip"
[22:53] <chris___> i get this prompt with authentication and yes/no
[22:53] <chris___> and after that i get access denied
[22:53] <Chipaca> chris___: and you enter your password there?
[22:54] <chris___> it doesnt ask
[22:54] <chris___> but when it does, i enter my screensaver-password from the phone
[22:54] <Chipaca> popey: the bit about having to su to phablet is out of date though
[22:55] <popey> true dat
[22:55] <Chipaca> chris___: either it does, or it doesn't. How does it not but then it does?
[22:55] <Chipaca> chris___: you're skimping on the info
[22:55] <Chipaca> we need da info
[22:56] <chris___> Permission denied (publickey). Thats what i get from ssh. There is no password-prompt. I have to admit that i am a newbie to this ssh stuff, so maybe i am doing something completely wrong
[22:56] <balloons> elopio, it's interesting you invalidate results if you use apt-get update.. surely you must sometimes run into issues when the archive is in flux
[22:56] <balloons> should be an interesting discussion
[22:57] <Chipaca> chris___: ok, let's backtrack a little bit here
[22:57] <Chipaca> chris___: what are you wanting to achieve?
[22:58] <chris___> i want to get my contacts/pictures and some other stuff onto the phone :)
[22:58] <Chipaca> chris___: i don't know about the contacts. I'll address the pictures bit.
[22:59] <Chipaca> chris___: first and foremost, mtp should work. Works for other people with your device and a recent build. Maybe your build is outdated; maybe your cable is wrong.
[22:59] <Chipaca> chris___: second, from the above i understand that you have been able to adb in to the phone
[23:00] <chris___> it might be the cable..... because it did work... sometimes
[23:00] <Chipaca> chris___: if so, it means developer mode is enabled (or, again, you have a prehistoric build)
[23:00] <chris___> its brand new, i installed it yesterday with branch "devel"
[23:00] <Chipaca> chris___: if developer mode is enabled, then install phablet-tools on your desktop, and use `phablet-shell` to get into your phone; it does all the work for you, leaving you with a working ssh that you can then scp things with
[23:01] <chris___> and yes, i activated developer mode for adb
[23:02] <Chipaca> chris___: if you append http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10379008/ to ~/.ssh/config on your desktop, once you've done `phablet-shell`, you can rsync -avz ~/Pictures phablet: and it'll inundate your phone
[23:04] <chris___> ok ok, very much for all these tips :) i will try it and think about all that ;) thank you very much
[23:10] <chris___> i executed phablet-shell, and all of a sudden i can connect with ssh :) very nice it also works in nautilus with sftp.  I am very happy now. phablet-shell is all i needed, why is this nowhere on the wiki? ;)
[23:13] <Chipaca> chris___: because you haven't put it there?
[23:14] <Chipaca> chris___: although a search for phablet-shell on the wiki does return >50 results
[23:14] <Chipaca> anyway, bedtime
[23:14] <Chipaca> o/