[06:32] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:39] <mapps> hi knightwise
[08:12] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:15] <Myrtti> morning
[08:21] <knightwise> hey Myrtti  , MooDoo
[08:21] <knightwise> how are you gyys
[08:21] <knightwise> guys
[08:22] <MooDoo> yeah ok now i've gotten rid [mostly] of this tummy bug
[08:47] <SuperMatt> word up yo
[08:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:53] <knightwise> hey brobostigon how are you doing today
[08:53] <brobostigon> hi knightwise , not bad, and you?
[08:55] <knightwise> busy monday morning , should learn not to schedule meetings before I have had my coffee
[08:55] <brobostigon> oh dear,
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:09] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[09:55] <Myrtti> knightwise: still sore from wearing high heels
[10:00] <knightwise> Myrtti: what party did you go to ?
[10:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Banana Bread Day! :-D
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> one, a happy monday is a contradiction in terms and two pass the banananananana bread
[10:05] <awilkins> Urg, bananas
[10:05] <JamesTait> Banana bread is wonderful stuff.
[10:05] <awilkins> Oh lawks, save me from people who check build products into version contorl
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> hmmm, they don't sell banana bread but i think i know where i can get a banana and walnut muffin
[10:09] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: hmmmm muffins! ! !
[10:10]  * awilkins couldn't get English muffins in Tesco yesterday
[10:10] <awilkins> This foiled my planned breakfast of egg and ham muffin with salsa
[10:24] <Myrtti> knightwise: my own wedding
[10:24]  * Laney screams
[10:25] <Myrtti> which reminds me
[10:25] <Laney> can't comment on a wordpress blog because it thinks I have an account, which I don't
[10:25] <Laney> then denies I have one when I try to reset the password
[10:26] <Laney> and the 'recovery' form asks for some kind of proof that wordpress will trust
[10:26] <Myrtti> there we go. Realname changed
[10:26] <Laney> which I don't have because I never made the account in the first place
[10:26] <Laney> it's because they merged with Gravatar or something, but the integration is half arsed
[10:29] <knightwise>  Myrtti congratssssss
[10:44] <Seeker`> Myrtti: /nick MSample?
[10:57] <Myrtti> Seeker`: you're late, I did that fo
[10:57] <Myrtti> r Friday and Saturday
[10:58] <Seeker`> ah, damn, I missed it
[10:58] <Myrtti> I did it even in ircnet
[10:59] <Myrtti> they don't have services so there was a chance I had lost Myrtti
[11:04] <davmor2> Myrtti: I have to say your name sound like something done at a hospital now, but on a huge plus side Congratulations to both of you \o/
[11:13] <Myrtti> well, at least you can spell it now
[11:14] <popey> \o/ Congratulations Myrtti!
[11:15] <popey> topic
[11:15] <popey> bah
[11:15] <davmor2> Myrtti: true to
[11:15] <popey> :)
[11:15] <Seeker`> \o/
[11:29] <davmor2> JamesTait: bread and banana is that not just a banana sandwich
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh, a bananananana sandwich for lunch might be nice, if i can find a banananananana ripe enough
[11:29] <JamesTait> Myrtti! Congratulations! \o/
[11:30] <JamesTait> davmor2, good grief, no!
[11:30] <awilkins> GFs favourite banana trick is to freeze them and then shove them in a blender with milk to make a banana milkshake
[11:30] <popey> ooh!
[11:30] <popey> good one
[11:30] <davmor2> JamesTait: Banana Sandwich is yummy though.
[11:30] <popey> so no ice cream needed?
[11:31] <popey> Peanut butter and banana is also delicious.
[11:31] <popey> Which I only "discovered" recently
[11:31] <JamesTait> davmor2, I won't argue with that.
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> isn't that what killed elvis?
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> oh wait he fried those sandwiches i think
[11:32] <JamesTait> popey, I recently "discovered" mini banoffee pie - take a digestive biscuit, spread dulce de leche on it, and slice a banana on top of that.
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> AND the drugs...
[11:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're just not right in the head are you ;)
[11:44] <JamesTait> davmor2, I never claimed otherwise. ;)
[11:45] <davmor2> JamesTait: I blame that beuno he is bad influence :D
[11:45] <JamesTait> I couldn't possibly comment.
[11:49] <davmor2> hahahaha
[11:51] <erop> hello there
[11:51] <erop> i can't access to ubuntu channel normal ?
[12:03] <davmor2> erop: how do you mean?
[12:03] <erop> what i m saying is
[12:04] <erop> i can't able to access on  ubuntu channel
[12:04] <erop> on freenode
[12:05] <erop> rev.poneytelecom.eu
[12:05] <erop> my isp
[12:05] <davmor2> erop: /join #ubuntu should get you in, the only reason you wouldn't is if you are kicked or blocked aiui
[12:05] <shauno> there appears to be a ban in place
[12:06] <erop> what is the reason of ban ?
[12:07] <shauno> no idea, it doesn't say
[12:09] <shauno> if you don't believe it was intended for you, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-ops whether they can replace it with a ban that's less wide
[12:09] <popey> erop: /join #ubuntu-ops  to find out
[12:09] <popey> oh, he has
[12:09] <shauno> ah, lovely
[12:09] <shauno> (my connection is horribly latent this morning, so I'm hamstrung)
[12:09] <shauno> typing into ssh feels like sending postcards to freenode :(
[12:10] <zmoylan-pi> wait till apple builds their data centre and see how the speeds go :-)
[12:10] <shauno> heh, I was looking at that.  trying to figure out exactly where they're talking about
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> 100% renewable in galway, that rules out solar :-)
[12:11]  * davmor2 pictures shauno say "please isp can I have some more"  isp replying "More, you want More BOY!!!"
[12:11] <shauno> it's this new 3g dongle.  I can't find words for it suitable for a family-friendly channel
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> well the packets have a terrible head wind to beat today :-)
[12:12] <shauno> indeed
[12:14] <shauno> this apple thing is weird.  they say athenry, and then derrydonnel forest.  which is in roscommon
[12:15] <davmor2> Man I'm kinda glad to be in England and not New England right now :)
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> [Oymyakon, Russia] Condition: Mostly Cloudy | Temp: -33C/-30F/240K/429R | Humidity: 77% | Wind Speed 0mph/0kmph
[12:19] <shauno> meh, I've cycled in -40
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> -50 last week
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> they've had -70
[12:20] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I was thinking more of the 3 meters of snowfall
[12:20] <davmor2> and counting
[12:20] <davmor2> metres even
[12:21] <shauno> (I still maintain -40 is safer than -4, since no-one can get their cars to start :)
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> they should ask the russians for one of their snow clearing machines that uses plane jet engine :-) http://gizmodo.com/5332274/in-russia-snowblowers-use-mig-15-jets/
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> in siberia they set the engine on fire to unfreeze the fuel in it
[12:22] <awilkins>  Linux 4.0 codename  : "Hurr durr I'ma sheep"
[12:22] <awilkins>  REAL ENTERPRISEY
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> better than os/2 ferengi? :-)
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> android kitkat
[12:23] <awilkins> Yeah, they light a fire under the engine block. Damn diesel.
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> microsoft bob...
[12:27] <davmor2> awilkins: Linus did a poll on g+ for version number and name that's what people voted for :D
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> letting the internet vote... :-)
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> so much for g+ been a more /serious/ social network
[12:30] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: there were only 2 choices and both were kinda bad,  "I went with 4.0 cause I can't handle big numbers" or "hurr durr I'm a sheep"  iirc
[12:40] <shauno> reminds me of one where Slovakia let people vote on the name for a new bridge.  Chuck Norris won ..
[12:40] <davmor2> shauno: chunk norris always wins that's why he's chunk norris ;)
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> the bbc had a competition for favourite song and 'a nation once again' got a /few/ votes :-)
[12:42] <shauno> 'chunk' norris is a very strange mental picture ;)
[12:43] <davmor2> chuck even :P
[13:31] <diddledan> morning
[13:43] <knightwise> hey diddledan
[13:43] <shauno> o/
[13:44] <davmor2> diddledan: hello
[14:14] <diddledan> oh dear. nvidia done a booboo: http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/nvidia-slammed-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-geforce-gtx-970-specifications/
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> this is more nvidia been tackled over a booboo than an actual booboo as they do lots of booboos.
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> i have now used my quota of the word booboo for today :-)
[14:22] <directhex> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mN2ZCjOtk3U/U50keBU9_WI/AAAAAAAAA9g/FjpF_mUsnl8/s1600/5.png
[14:22] <diddledan> directhex, \o/
[14:22] <diddledan> directhex, you have a png for every occasion?
[14:24] <directhex> diddledan: not per se - i know the right png to search for for every occasion, though
[14:26] <diddledan> knightwise, I've now listened to a few of your podcasts - well done dude, they're good
[14:26] <knightwise> thanx diddledan :)
[14:26] <knightwise> glad you enjoy them
[14:26] <diddledan> I like the music intro :-)
[14:27] <knightwise> thanx :) Its composed by steve cherebino
[14:33] <diddledan> anyone know a reason why a path that exists in a git repo is reporting that it isn't when I use git blame?
[14:34] <diddledan> oh right, blame works on files not dirs
[14:34] <diddledan> ok ignore me
[15:05] <awilkins> Yes. Git has no concept of "a directory"
[15:07] <davmor2> awilkins: that's cause it's a git
[15:19] <diddledan> and bzr is just bazaar
[15:19] <diddledan> speelign?
[15:19] <diddledan> bazarre?
[15:21] <awilkins> Mercurial is just too prone to changing quickly
[15:21] <shauno> oh man.  I was reading a *recent* discussion about whether it was time to upgrade from RCS to CVS yet
[15:22] <diddledan> shauno, nowai?
[15:22] <diddledan> shauno, are you allowed to tell us the context?
[15:23] <dogmatic69_> knightwise:  where is your amazing podcast?
[15:24] <diddledan> dogmatic69_, knightwise.com
[15:25] <dogmatic69_> ta
[15:33] <Myrtti> right
[15:33] <Myrtti> been to see The Imitation Game
[15:33] <Myrtti> slight disappointment
[15:33] <diddledan> any good?
[15:33] <diddledan> aww
[15:34] <Myrtti> theory of everything was better
[15:34] <Myrtti> and reminded me of my first choice for brides entry music
[15:35] <Myrtti> which we ended up using
[15:40] <shauno> I liked the imitation game.  as long as you take it as a story about how absurdly we treated him, rather than the enigma plot itself
[15:42] <awilkins> When I got to my last job, they had been discussing, for 2 years, whether to use CVSNT or Visual SourceSafe 6.0
[15:43] <Seeker`> awilkins: thats a long meeting. I hope they provided food.
[15:43] <awilkins> Within my first 2 weeks on the job I had installed Subversion and uploaded all the content into it
[15:43] <awilkins> Because NO WAY was I using either of those things for source control
[15:43] <shauno> reminds me of the last CRM move we made.  it was largely disasterous, and called a success
[15:44] <awilkins> Hehehe
[15:44] <shauno> it turns out the people calling it a success, had been here when we made the previous move - when involved going back to pen & paper for 6 months
[15:44] <awilkins> There's a team at my old job who wanted our help with a Wordpress instance they set up
[15:44] <dogmatic69_> awilkins:  if SVN is better than CVSNT / SourceSafe, they must be really terrible...
[15:44] <awilkins> SourceSafe is utterly utterly horrible
[15:45]  * dogmatic69_ says things like that about SVN
[15:45] <awilkins> SVN was lovely in comparison
[15:45] <awilkins> I think I adopted it around 0.29 or 0.32 ish
[15:45] <dogmatic69_> busy moving work from SVN to GIt
[15:45] <awilkins> Yes, these days I'm a Git person (after a brief flirtation with bzr)
[15:50] <awilkins> I liked Bazaar's handling of SVN integration better
[15:51] <awilkins> I think they kinda muffed up the way Git integrates with SVN
[15:51] <awilkins> (doesn't help that it uses Perl and it's the SLOWEST THING EVAH on Windows)
[16:02] <diddledan> is it bzr that launchpad uses extensively?
[16:03] <diddledan> i.e. canonical
[16:04] <davmor2> diddledan: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/foreign/bzr-on-git-projects.html
[16:07] <awilkins> diddledan, Yeah Canonical invented Bazaar
[16:12] <awilkins> I used Bazaar for an internal project for a few reasons i) Bazaar has an easier CLI for standard users to grasp ii) Git wasn't ready for WIndows at the time iii) SVN was way too slow
[16:12] <awilkins> Mercurial just flat out didn't work because of the way it stored metadata
[16:12] <awilkins> Bazaar went from being 4x the speed of SVN on that tree to about 12x
[16:12] <awilkins> (just for checkouts)
[16:38] <diddledan> https://mrkr.io/6N97vWe5Xe
[16:38] <diddledan> joy
[16:41] <davmor2> diddledan: hahahaha
[16:41] <diddledan> clicking the "more info" type link shows that google says it has never detected any bad software in the past 90 days and that it currently isn't listed as a bad site..?!
[16:41] <diddledan> eh?
[16:41] <diddledan> http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http%3A%2F%2Fdownloads.sourceforge.net%2Fproject%2Fpidgin%2FPidgin%2F2.10.11%2Fpidgin-2.10.11.exe%3Fr%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fpidgin.im%252F%26ts%3D1424709611%26use_mirror%3Dheanet&client=googlechrome&hl=en-GB
[16:44] <shauno> I don't trust downloads from sourceforge anymore.  they've lost their way.
[16:44] <diddledan> chrome won't let me download pidgin-2.10.11.exe, either
[16:44] <diddledan> says it might harm my browsing experience and therefore it has been blocked
[16:45] <shauno> it might be right :)
[16:45] <davmor2> diddledan: I wonder how many of these things is Windows getting back at google by getting the top 200 sites blocked by google chrome :D
[16:47] <awilkins> Sourceforge, ugh
[16:47] <awilkins> Our work blocked them, but it was because we might install "Open Source software"
[16:48] <shauno> I don't use them because they've taken to bundling malware.
[16:51] <awilkins> Yup
[16:51] <shauno> eg, their 'enchanced' installer for filezilla comes with complimentary copies of the ask toolbar, and 'hotspot shield'.  on osx, it comes with mackeeper
[16:51] <diddledan> speaking of which: https://forum.filezilla-project.org/viewtopic.php?t=35228
[16:53] <shauno> this one's more entertaining; https://forum.filezilla-project.org/viewtopic.php?t=30240
[17:12] <mapps> hi all
[17:13] <diddledan> japanese alps (donno when it was taken - the caption claimed it was in america but it was lying): https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11001744_776989345718622_1418677694130146446_n.jpg?oh=c54bf2ca55ca017d89655e6eeb5f56ba&oe=554E0307
[17:13] <diddledan> allo mapps
[17:14] <shauno> the alps are in japan now?  please don't austria, they may not survive the shock
[17:19] <diddledan> https://www.chillingeffects.org/notices/10416081
[17:20] <diddledan> music being distributed by https://www.archlinux.org/download, eh?
[17:20] <diddledan> and http://nmap.org/download.html?
[17:20] <diddledan> ... etc.
[17:21] <shauno> lol, seriously
[17:22] <shauno> do they have an album named .zip or something?
[17:23] <diddledan> donno - their "official" url is a redirect loop
[17:23] <diddledan> so I can't work out what they claim is being infringed
[17:25] <shauno> man, they're busy little beavers - http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/copyright/reporters/40594/Total-Wipes-Music-Group/?p=10
[17:25] <diddledan> lol, knightwise , you knit? :-p
[17:25] <diddledan> I tried it as a teenager/kid
[17:26] <diddledan> 1200 resq
[17:26] <diddledan> reqs per week
[17:27] <diddledan> circa 4000urls in those requests per week
[17:27] <shauno> it's a shame you can't sort by the last column
[17:29] <diddledan> jee, they've nearly his 200k URLs total
[17:29] <diddledan> hit*
[17:29] <diddledan> since may last year
[17:29] <diddledan> 23k urls in the past week
[18:36] <diddledan> I'm not sure I really want VR
[18:36] <diddledan> e.g. oculus
[18:36] <diddledan> just listening to a podcast about webvr
[19:10] <davmor2> diddledan: what's wrong with Victory Roars?
[20:13] <Azelphur> I just oven tricked my GPU...and it worked
[20:13] <Azelphur> aww yis :P
[20:28] <diddledan> cloudflare are disabling rc4 on ssl: https://blog.cloudflare.com/end-of-the-road-for-rc4/
[20:30] <diddledan> teehee: https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10387299_667638803345190_7914584083263558507_n.jpg?oh=8be0e73d033bcdde592f55dd44b09c4c&oe=558E122D
[20:31] <diddledan> methinks it's prolly fake
[21:01] <mapps> brrr chilly here
[21:01] <mapps> only 14c
[21:01] <mapps> ;p
[21:47] <diddledan> mapps, beach weather then?
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> [Dublin, DUB, Ireland] Condition: Light Rain Shower/Windy | Temp: 3C/37F/276K/496R | Humidity: 93% | Wind Speed 43mph/69kmph
[21:48] <diddledan> I've no idea what it is here
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> and here is...
[21:52] <shauno> silly question.  12:30am and 00:30 are the same thing, right?
[21:52] <mapps> teehee diddledan
[21:52] <mapps> :D
[21:52] <mapps> 16c during day is ok
[21:52] <mapps> sun and everything
[21:52] <diddledan> shauno, yeah methinks so
[21:52] <shauno> ta
[21:53] <shauno> (I thought so, but as soon as I tried to explain why, my brain nope'd and ran away)
[21:54] <diddledan> lol
[21:56] <diddledan> I have trouble with 12:00 (24 hour) being equal to 12:00pm
[21:57] <diddledan> specifically on the hour
[21:57] <shauno> I just don't use 12hr
[21:57] <diddledan> me either
[21:57]  * zmoylan-pi roots for decimal time... :-)
[21:57] <shauno> but someone's complaining about having something scheduled for 00:30
[21:57] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, swatch internet time?
[21:58] <shauno> and insists on 12:30am eastern instead
[21:58] <shauno> and my brain is sitting here waving white flags
[21:58] <diddledan> eh?
[21:58] <diddledan> that doesn't make sense
[21:58] <shauno> hence why I had to double-check I'm not losing it :)
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> no, that's beat time.  decimal time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_time
[21:58] <diddledan> "sorry, but midnight thirty is out of the question. how about midnight thirty instead?"
[21:59] <shauno> so the tech is scheduled for 00:30.  the customer demands 12:30am instead.  as long as they never mention this to each other, it should be okay
[21:59] <shauno> otherwise I will cry
[22:00] <diddledan> crying is totally a valid option
[22:04] <shauno> hm, metric time would make timezones 36 degrees wide?
[22:06] <diddledan> eek
[22:08] <shauno> that'd be interesting.  if you put zero-line through paris (because it's metric!), +1hr would run through moscow
[22:15] <awilkins> Check they don't mean 1230pm
[22:15] <awilkins> They might just be an idiot and think that 1230 (24hr) is in the morning
[22:16] <shauno> we've already clarified it's the wee hours, because we had to double-check what calendar day it was too
[22:16] <awilkins> Good.
[22:16] <awilkins> Clients. Meh.
[22:16] <shauno> humans, in general :)
[22:31] <diddledan> I still think that business would be better off if clients were eliminate3d
[22:32] <shauno> I dunno about eliminated.  but amazon-style "frustration-free packaging" would be nice
[22:32] <diddledan> lol