| pasley | Hello | 05:34 |
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| holstein | o/ | 05:43 |
| holstein | you over in charlotte? | 05:43 |
| holstein | trying to think where all road runner is.. | 05:43 |
| pasley | yes | 05:44 |
| pasley | enjoy it before it becomes fibre | 05:44 |
| holstein | google fiber? | 05:45 |
| pasley | yup | 05:45 |
| holstein | nice | 05:45 |
| holstein | that'll make some prices competitive.. | 05:45 |
| pasley | everyone is super excited, but it will still be like 5 years before it's up and running | 05:45 |
| holstein | well, the other folks will be beefing up and charging less, though.. ASAP | 05:46 |
| holstein | magically freeing up bandwidth ;) | 05:46 |
| pasley | it is magical lol | 05:47 |
| pasley | so, what's you distro | 05:47 |
| holstein | i use a bunch... | 05:48 |
| holstein | ubuntu, etc | 05:48 |
| holstein | i like crunchbang.. | 05:48 |
| holstein | i use a chromeOS chromebook as well | 05:48 |
| holstein | AVlinux for audio production.. debian based | 05:48 |
| pasley | I tried crunch bang, but i had problems setting it up on my mac | 05:48 |
| holstein | interesting | 05:49 |
| holstein | i used reFit.. have one of the white early 32bit intel macbooks running #! | 05:49 |
| pasley | i got a new lappy and i'm running bb. it seems to be working fine | 05:49 |
| holstein | i have a bunch of machines im putting ubuntu mate on.. the upcoming 15.04 release | 05:50 |
| holstein | its nice | 05:50 |
| pasley | refit stopped working when yosemite came out | 05:50 |
| pasley | they changed the boot method | 05:50 |
| holstein | i only help others with yosemite.. | 05:50 |
| holstein | my machine has linux only on it | 05:50 |
| holstein | not that i use it much anymore.. | 05:51 |
| pasley | ohhh | 05:51 |
| holstein | i have to say, i dont know what "bb" is.. | 05:51 |
| pasley | backbox, sorry | 05:51 |
| holstein | as far as an operating system.. blackberry was all i was coming up with ;) | 05:51 |
| holstein | OK.. i have looked at bb, then | 05:52 |
| holstein | had an issue, and decided to just make my own | 05:52 |
| pasley | that's a good move | 05:52 |
| holstein | eh | 05:52 |
| pasley | if i had the skill i would too | 05:52 |
| holstein | #! has sources too | 05:52 |
| holstein | but, #! is just more like how i would set a machine up, by default | 05:53 |
| pasley | i'm trying to get into infosec, so it was either bb or kali | 05:53 |
| holstein | its handy that way.. if its not how one sets up a machine, its probably less handy, then | 05:53 |
| holstein | yeah, i have used kali live | 05:53 |
| pasley | and kali isn't very customizable | 05:53 |
| holstein | seemed to work "better".. for me, though i was expecting to be able to install backbox | 05:53 |
| pasley | customisible | 05:54 |
| pasley | ... | 05:54 |
| holstein | yeah, i use it "as-is" | 05:54 |
| holstein | i just run it live each time.. not really setting anything | 05:54 |
| holstein | but, i was looking to backbox for an installation, that had those tools | 05:54 |
| pasley | yeah, it is definitely good for that | 05:54 |
| pasley | it's ok | 05:55 |
| pasley | they're super proud of this new release | 05:55 |
| holstein | i could just add that ppa to what i want | 05:55 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~backbox/+archive/ubuntu/four | 05:55 |
| pasley | but i've been having so bugs | 05:55 |
| holstein | pasley: thats actually good to hear. i thought it was just me ;) | 05:55 |
| pasley | lol | 05:56 |
| holstein | i mean, with ppa packages, i typically dont bother reporting bugs, unless i know the folks running the ppa | 05:56 |
| pasley | yeah, i figured since i'm new to linux i could just spend sometime trying to fix it | 05:56 |
| holstein | yeah, may workout | 05:56 |
| holstein | though, it could also just frustrate you.. | 05:57 |
| holstein | as long as you are enjoying it, i say go for it | 05:57 |
| pasley | yes | 05:57 |
| pasley | i will say it's one of the few distros i've expirienced that recognizes my wireless | 05:58 |
| holstein | well, any ubuntu 14.04 should | 05:58 |
| pasley | i tried knoppix for a while, but i needed the tools | 05:58 |
| holstein | anything based on that kernel | 05:58 |
| pasley | mint hasn't | 05:59 |
| pasley | knoppix didn't | 05:59 |
| holstein | pasley: the mint with the same kernel should | 05:59 |
| holstein | knoppix will be a newer kernel | 05:59 |
| holstein | the ubuntu 14.04 kernel is actually a bit older now | 05:59 |
| holstein | of course, they could just have some broadcom blob you need already installed | 05:59 |
| holstein | !broadcom | 05:59 |
| lubotu1 | Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 06:00 |
| pasley | i have no idea how to match kernels | 06:00 |
| pasley | that's the thing. | 06:00 |
| holstein | pasley: well, if backbox, based on 14.04, supports some hardware.. then, another distro with the same kernel will support the same hardware | 06:00 |
| pasley | to go there i'd have to hook up the lan | 06:00 |
| holstein | the drivers are in the modular kernel.. unless its a blob that they add | 06:00 |
| pasley | don't exactly own this wifi | 06:00 |
| holstein | sure | 06:01 |
| holstein | but, there are "offline" instructions | 06:01 |
| pasley | ... | 06:01 |
| pasley | oh | 06:01 |
| pasley | same link? | 06:01 |
| holstein | you *can* get the broadcom .deb with whatever live iso or windows or some other box.. etc | 06:01 |
| holstein | pasley: i did it from that link, ages ago.. i dont know what your hardware is, specifically, though | 06:01 |
| holstein | personally, i take broadcom chips out and replace them, when i have that luxury | 06:02 |
| pasley | i'll read it and figure it out | 06:02 |
| pasley | thank you | 06:02 |
| holstein | sure... thank me when it works out for you :) | 06:02 |
| pasley | i liked knoppix | 06:02 |
| holstein | yup.. knopiix is great | 06:02 |
| pasley | but it heats the fuck out of my mac | 06:02 |
| pasley | oh wait | 06:03 |
| pasley | i already said about the tools | 06:03 |
| holstein | one of my go to diagnostic distros | 06:03 |
| pasley | it liked how it was clean | 06:03 |
| pasley | and of course i liked compiz | 06:03 |
| holstein | the GPU drivers will be what they are.. | 06:03 |
| holstein | could be the open nvidia drivers, or whatever. vs the proprietary ones | 06:03 |
| holstein | one or the other can heat things up.. | 06:03 |
| pasley | i didn't know where to begin | 06:04 |
| pasley | but i do now | 06:04 |
| pasley | thanks again | 06:04 |
| pasley | buuuut.... i probably won | 06:04 |
| pasley | t | 06:04 |
| pasley | reinstall anytime soon | 06:05 |
| holstein | well, ideally, it would begin with the manufacturer promising you linux support, and providing it, since, *all* of linux is open, and freely available for them to support | 06:05 |
| holstein | but, when they dont.. it can be challenging.. | 06:05 |
| pasley | and if i can get compiz to work on here., then ill be on this for a good good while | 06:05 |
| holstein | even apple could do that.. and knoppix would run cool and quiet.. with nice frame rates.. etc | 06:05 |
| holstein | i really liked compiz when i first started using linux | 06:06 |
| holstein | you might like ubuntu mate.. its more "legacy" like that | 06:06 |
| pasley | wasn't there a big outcry when invidia made their code proprietary, i feel like i heard that in the news | 06:06 |
| holstein | nvidia? | 06:06 |
| pasley | yes | 06:06 |
| pasley | my b | 06:06 |
| holstein | nvidia's codes has never been open | 06:06 |
| holstein | there are attempts to make open nvidia drivers.. but, thats just folks doing what they can.. reverse engineering.. etc | 06:07 |
| pasley | ah, that would make sense | 06:07 |
| holstein | imean, they may release something open.. but, not the drivers to their stuff | 06:07 |
| holstein | the blobs just add drivers.. when you add them to linux | 06:07 |
| holstein | modules.. | 06:08 |
| holstein | if they did release it open, or give information so that drivers can be written, then, it would be more like intel hardware typically is. where,things just "magically" work | 06:09 |
| holstein | plug and play, so they say. since all the drivers are in the kernel.. baked in.. basically | 06:09 |
| holstein | and, its modular, so, if you have all those open drivers, and you pull the drive, and move it to another machine with different hardware, it'll just work | 06:10 |
| holstein | no need to install other drivers on that hardware.. assuming again, all the hardware supports linux well | 06:10 |
| pasley | weird | 06:11 |
| holstein | ok, i gotta get up early and drive.. cheers! | 06:15 |
| holstein | pasley: good to meet you.. | 06:15 |
| holstein | the channel is super slow, but, maybe we can revive it.. | 06:16 |
| pasley | ha! | 06:22 |
| pasley | i think i just proved your point | 06:22 |
| pasley | i will be back | 06:22 |
| pasley | nice to meet you too | 06:23 |
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