[05:34] <pasley> Hello
[05:43] <holstein> o/
[05:43] <holstein> you over in charlotte?
[05:43] <holstein> trying to think where all road runner is..
[05:44] <pasley> yes
[05:44] <pasley> enjoy it before it becomes fibre
[05:45] <holstein> google fiber?
[05:45] <pasley> yup
[05:45] <holstein> nice
[05:45] <holstein> that'll make some prices competitive..
[05:45] <pasley> everyone is super excited, but it will still be like 5 years before it's up and running
[05:46] <holstein> well, the other folks will be beefing up and charging less, though.. ASAP
[05:46] <holstein> magically freeing up bandwidth ;)
[05:47] <pasley> it is magical lol
[05:47] <pasley> so, what's you distro
[05:48] <holstein> i use a bunch...
[05:48] <holstein> ubuntu, etc
[05:48] <holstein> i like crunchbang..
[05:48] <holstein> i use a chromeOS chromebook as well
[05:48] <holstein> AVlinux for audio production.. debian based
[05:48] <pasley> I tried crunch bang, but i had problems setting it up on my mac
[05:49] <holstein> interesting
[05:49] <holstein> i used reFit.. have one of the white early 32bit intel macbooks running #!
[05:49] <pasley> i got a new lappy and i'm running bb. it seems to be working fine
[05:50] <holstein> i have a bunch of machines im putting ubuntu mate on.. the upcoming 15.04 release
[05:50] <holstein> its nice
[05:50] <pasley> refit stopped working when yosemite came out
[05:50] <pasley> they changed the boot method
[05:50] <holstein> i only help others with yosemite..
[05:50] <holstein> my machine has linux only on it
[05:51] <holstein> not that i use it much anymore..
[05:51] <pasley> ohhh
[05:51] <holstein> i have to say, i dont know what "bb" is..
[05:51] <pasley> backbox, sorry
[05:51] <holstein> as far as an operating system.. blackberry was all i was coming up with ;)
[05:52] <holstein> OK.. i have looked at bb, then
[05:52] <holstein> had an issue, and decided to just make my own
[05:52] <pasley> that's a good move
[05:52] <holstein> eh
[05:52] <pasley> if i had the skill i would too
[05:52] <holstein> #! has sources too
[05:53] <holstein> but, #! is just more like how i would set a machine up, by default
[05:53] <pasley> i'm trying to get into infosec, so it was either bb or kali
[05:53] <holstein> its handy that way.. if its not how one sets up a machine, its probably less handy, then
[05:53] <holstein> yeah, i have used kali live
[05:53] <pasley> and kali isn't very customizable
[05:53] <holstein> seemed to work "better".. for me, though i was expecting to be able to install backbox
[05:54] <pasley> customisible
[05:54] <pasley> ...
[05:54] <holstein> yeah, i use it "as-is"
[05:54] <holstein> i just run it live each time.. not really setting anything
[05:54] <holstein> but, i was looking to backbox for an installation, that had those tools
[05:54] <pasley> yeah, it is definitely good for that
[05:55] <pasley> it's ok
[05:55] <pasley> they're super proud of this new release
[05:55] <holstein> i could just add that ppa to what i want
[05:55] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~backbox/+archive/ubuntu/four
[05:55] <pasley> but i've been having so bugs
[05:55] <holstein> pasley: thats actually good to hear. i thought it was just me ;)
[05:56] <pasley> lol
[05:56] <holstein> i mean, with ppa packages, i typically dont bother reporting bugs, unless i know the folks running the ppa
[05:56] <pasley> yeah, i figured since i'm new to linux i could just spend sometime trying to fix it
[05:56] <holstein> yeah, may workout
[05:57] <holstein> though, it could also just frustrate you..
[05:57] <holstein> as long as you  are enjoying it, i say go for it
[05:57] <pasley> yes
[05:58] <pasley> i will say it's one of the few distros i've expirienced that recognizes my wireless
[05:58] <holstein> well, any ubuntu 14.04 should
[05:58] <pasley> i tried knoppix for a while, but i needed the tools
[05:58] <holstein> anything based on that kernel
[05:59] <pasley> mint hasn't
[05:59] <pasley> knoppix didn't
[05:59] <holstein> pasley: the mint with the same kernel should
[05:59] <holstein> knoppix will be a newer kernel
[05:59] <holstein> the ubuntu 14.04 kernel is actually a bit older now
[05:59] <holstein> of course, they could just have some broadcom blob you need already installed
[05:59] <holstein> !broadcom
[06:00] <pasley> i have no idea how to match kernels
[06:00] <pasley> that's the thing.
[06:00] <holstein> pasley: well, if backbox, based on 14.04, supports some hardware.. then, another distro with the same kernel will support the same hardware
[06:00] <pasley> to go there i'd have to hook up the lan
[06:00] <holstein> the drivers are in the modular kernel.. unless its a blob that they add
[06:00] <pasley> don't exactly own this wifi
[06:01] <holstein> sure
[06:01] <holstein> but, there are "offline" instructions
[06:01] <pasley> ...
[06:01] <pasley> oh
[06:01] <pasley> same link?
[06:01] <holstein> you *can* get the broadcom .deb with whatever live iso or windows or some other box.. etc
[06:01] <holstein> pasley: i did it from that link, ages ago.. i dont know what your hardware is, specifically, though
[06:02] <holstein> personally, i take broadcom chips out and replace them, when i have that luxury
[06:02] <pasley> i'll read it and figure it out
[06:02] <pasley> thank you
[06:02] <holstein> sure... thank me when it works out for you :)
[06:02] <pasley> i liked knoppix
[06:02] <holstein> yup.. knopiix is great
[06:02] <pasley> but it heats the fuck out of my mac
[06:03] <pasley> oh wait
[06:03] <pasley> i already said about the tools
[06:03] <holstein> one of my go to diagnostic distros
[06:03] <pasley> it liked how it was clean
[06:03] <pasley> and of course i liked compiz
[06:03] <holstein> the GPU drivers will be what they are..
[06:03] <holstein> could be the open nvidia drivers, or whatever. vs the proprietary ones
[06:03] <holstein> one or the other can heat things up..
[06:04] <pasley> i didn't know where to begin
[06:04] <pasley> but i do now
[06:04] <pasley> thanks again
[06:04] <pasley> buuuut.... i probably won
[06:04] <pasley> t
[06:05] <pasley> reinstall anytime soon
[06:05] <holstein> well, ideally, it would begin with the manufacturer promising you linux support, and providing it, since, *all* of linux is open, and freely available for them to support
[06:05] <holstein> but, when they dont.. it can be challenging..
[06:05] <pasley> and if i can get compiz to work on here., then ill be on this for a good good while
[06:05] <holstein> even apple could do that.. and knoppix would run cool and quiet.. with nice frame rates.. etc
[06:06] <holstein> i really liked compiz when i first started using linux
[06:06] <holstein> you might like ubuntu mate.. its more "legacy" like that
[06:06] <pasley> wasn't there a big outcry when invidia made their code proprietary, i feel like i heard that in the news
[06:06] <holstein> nvidia?
[06:06] <pasley> yes
[06:06] <pasley> my b
[06:06] <holstein> nvidia's codes has never been open
[06:07] <holstein> there are attempts to make open nvidia drivers.. but, thats just folks doing what they can.. reverse engineering.. etc
[06:07] <pasley> ah, that would make sense
[06:07] <holstein> imean, they may release something open.. but, not the drivers to their stuff
[06:07] <holstein> the blobs just add drivers.. when you add them to linux
[06:08] <holstein> modules..
[06:09] <holstein> if they did release it open, or give information so that drivers can be written, then, it would be more like intel hardware typically is. where,things just "magically" work
[06:09] <holstein> plug and play, so they say. since all the drivers are in the kernel.. baked in.. basically
[06:10] <holstein> and, its modular, so, if you have all those open drivers, and you pull the drive, and move it to another machine with different hardware, it'll just work
[06:10] <holstein> no need to install other drivers on that hardware.. assuming again, all the hardware supports linux well
[06:11] <pasley> weird
[06:15] <holstein> ok, i gotta get up early and drive.. cheers!
[06:15] <holstein> pasley: good to meet you..
[06:16] <holstein> the channel is super slow, but, maybe we can revive it..
[06:22] <pasley> ha!
[06:22] <pasley> i think i just proved your point
[06:22] <pasley> i will be back
[06:23] <pasley> nice to meet you too