[18:12] <smallfoot-> Will AMD release a new Catalyst driver with support for Xserver 1.17?
[18:12] <mlankhorst> eventually..
[18:12] <mlankhorst> we've had 1.17 in the ppa for ages..
[18:12] <smallfoot-> Will Vivid get Xserver 1.17 or are we stuck with 1.16?
[18:13] <smallfoot-> oh cool
[18:13] <mlankhorst> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/x-staging
[18:13] <mlankhorst> but without fglrx..
[18:17] <smallfoot-> thanks
[18:17] <smallfoot-> AMD pisses me off
[18:18] <smallfoot-> I won't buy any of their products, but I still get punished with old software because of them
[18:19] <mlankhorst> why not use the free software drivers?
[18:20] <mlankhorst> I haven't used the blob in ages on radeon, no need to
[18:32] <JanC> I guess for gamers Catalyst is still needed maybe
[18:33] <JanC> I haven't used fglrx for ages either
[18:33] <smallfoot-> I use free software drivers, I only use free software drivers, I use Intel
[18:33] <smallfoot-> but even when I use Intel, I am held back with old version of X thanks to AMD dragging their feet
[18:34] <smallfoot-> and its the same thing every new X release
[18:44] <smallfoot-> mlankhorst, any idea when 1.17 will be put into vivid repo?
[19:15] <mlankhorst> when we get fglrx..
[19:59] <smallfoot-> I see
[20:00] <smallfoot-> is there any estimate of when AMD will give fglrx?
[20:04] <tjaalton> any dates are under nda, so no
[20:27] <smallfoot-> imho, ubuntu should switch to 1.17 asap and recommend intel and nvidia and give amd the finger
[20:48] <tjaalton> that wouldn't solve a thing
[20:51] <smallfoot-> well, it would pressure them to stop dragging their feet
[20:51] <smallfoot-> and it would get us non-amd users the latest xorg faster
[20:51] <smallfoot-> now we're all getting punished by amd whether we buy amd or not
[21:31] <tjaalton> it would just punish fglrx users that's all
[21:40] <smallfoot-> well, it would unpunish intel and nvidia users
[22:02] <JanC> smallfoot-: actually, it would unpunish AMD users too
[22:02] <JanC> (those who use the open source driver)
[22:05] <JanC> OTOH, Ubuntu got permission to use a pre-release fglrx in the past, and I suppose they don't want to blow up that relationship prematurely
[22:08] <smallfoot-> JanC, indeed