/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/23/#ubuntu-za.txt

inetprogood mornings03:28
grembleo/03:31
inetprogremble: have you added your name yet 03:39
inetpro? 03:39
inetprohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members03:40
Kilosmorning all05:45
Kilosand ty inetpro  05:45
inetproyou are late 05:45
inetprooh hi Kilos 05:45
Kilosi been getting sis off to work05:46
inetpro:-) 05:46
Kilossee that was basically the idea with the numbers05:47
Kilosi dont know how we will get peeps in order of joining05:47
Kilosbut anyway05:47
Kilosyou didnt answer yesterday05:47
inetprodo your homework 05:47
Kilosjoining za and joining launchpad can be 2 different dates right05:48
inetproyes05:48
Kilosai!05:48
inetproand joining officially is yet another date 05:48
Kilosso who keeps the dates of when peeps joined za05:49
Kilosai!05:49
Kilosnew idea!05:49
Kilosask/beg/plead with eveyone to add and/or update their own info05:49
Kilosthat might get some list guys involved05:50
Kilosadd that to the meets agenda for discussion05:50
Kilosand05:52
Kilosand 05:52
Kilosthe team reports thing ai!05:53
Kilosdo you want to have to fix that as well05:53
Kiloshi bduk1  wb05:55
Kiloshi gremble  you early today05:56
Kiloshaha idea!05:57
Kiloshe can mathematically solve my probs05:57
Kiloshi bmg505  05:59
* Kilos waves to tumbleweed and cocooncrash06:13
ThatGraemeGuymornings06:18
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  06:18
Jacques_StryMorning06:23
Kiloshi Jacques_Stry  06:23
* Kilos needs to borrow that surname so i can stand up against gustav strydom06:34
Kilosinetpro  well done sir!06:36
* Kilos likes the new page06:38
Jacques_Strylol who's gustav?06:43
Kilosthe pro06:43
Jacques_StryO I C06:44
Kiloshehe06:44
Jacques_StrySo next meeting is tomorrow night?06:46
Kilosyessir06:46
Jacques_StryDid a quick scan of previous meetings minutes, could be interesting - will attend06:52
Kilosthats good news06:52
nuvolario/ 06:58
nuvolarioh hi06:58
Kiloshi nuvolari  jy mis al die sports06:59
nuvolarieh?06:59
nuvolariwat gebeur oom?06:59
Kilosbaie. het jy trello06:59
Kiloshi SDCDev  07:04
Kilosgo home now so you can start working07:04
mazalMorning everyone07:04
Kiloshi mazal  barry sukkel nog07:04
mazalJa hy gaan nou konversation try , maar moet hom nog eers install en dis malhuis hier07:05
mazalSal seker deur die dag dit doen07:05
Kilosmooi07:05
mazalDoes anybody know who is the administrator of the ubuntu-za mailing list ?07:05
Kilosi think the fly07:05
Kiloswhy?07:05
mazalsuperfly: Are you the admin of the ubuntu-za mailing list ?07:06
Kiloshe is afk07:06
mazaloi , ok I see now07:06
Kiloswhats the prob ?07:06
mazalI need my email adress changed07:07
mazalTo my new email addy07:07
Kilosthen just go join again with your new addy07:07
mazalI was hoping that would not be neccesary07:08
Kiloslol07:08
Kilosyou might have a long wait, he is very busy07:08
mazalI can't even remember where the commands are of how to remove one and add the other07:09
Kilosoi07:10
Kilosare there such commands?07:10
mazalThat's some one uses once to join and then never again :P07:10
Kilossjoe07:11
mazalYa you most have to email something to a certain list addy to add07:11
mazalAnd there is also one that you mail to cancel07:12
mazalOk I got the new one added , now must just get the old one removed07:16
Kilosok07:17
mazalOld removed. That was easy :) I followed the link from the ubuntu-za website and from there it was very clear and easy steps ;)07:19
Kilosgood work07:19
ThatGraemeGuyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za07:19
ThatGraemeGuyunsubscribe is the last box07:20
mazalNow I must just wait for someone to email something to the mailing to see if it all worked07:20
Kilossomeone should answer my mail this morning07:20
mazalMorning ThatGraemeGuy, wb07:20
ThatGraemeGuyty07:20
Kiloshi Padroni  07:34
PadroniHI 07:34
Padronihow are you?07:34
Kilosgood ty and you07:34
Padronigood thanx07:34
Padroniwindy in CT today07:34
Padroni:/07:34
Kiloshi barrydk  07:41
barrydkMore almal07:41
Padronihi barrydk07:41
mazalOom Kilos: Ons het hom reg ;)07:42
mazalbarry is back :)07:42
Kilosmooi julle07:42
barrydkIs this the right place looks like a lot of new peeps here?07:42
Kiloshehe07:42
* Padroni is about to ask for help.... brace yourselves...07:43
Kilosoh my07:43
PadroniI have 3 x MicroITX formfactor pc's07:44
Padroni3.2Ghz dual core P4 @ 1GB Ram each07:45
Padronibest debian / ubuntu based distro to use on those?07:45
Padronianything from 12.04 up tends to grind it to a halt07:45
Kilosi use a 3g dual core with 4g ram and run kubuntu 14.04 fine on it07:46
Kilosoh my07:46
PadroniI need it to do 2 things: stream movies / series off my file server via wifi (for now)07:47
KilosPadroni  you like the mac look?07:47
Padroniand play stuff off youtube07:47
* Padroni looks over to his iMac that has been used as a dust collector for 18 months now...07:47
mazalPadroni: Did you try the Lubuntu or Xubuntu flavours ?07:47
Padroninot particularly - I just need it to rn on those specs and WORK07:47
Padroniwhich version though?07:48
Padronicoz I am two comments away of installing Windows 98 up on that bitch07:48
Kiloselementaryos is based on 12.04 but much faster07:48
mazalI would say 14.04.0207:48
Kilos12.04 is supported till 201707:48
Padroniplease don't make me install Win9807:48
Padronii don't care for support07:48
Padronii can reinstall07:49
Padroniso it does not have to update 07:49
mazalLubuntu is the lightest that I know of07:49
Padroniit must just work...07:49
jacques_haha I missed the device - what do you want to install this on?07:49
Kilos12.04 has least updates07:49
mazalYeah , but go for 12.04.5 then07:49
Padroni@ jacques_ I have 3 x MicroITX formfactor pc's07:50
Padroni3.2Ghz dual core P4 @ 1GB Ram each07:50
Padronii had that on 12.0407:50
Padronibombed out07:50
Kilosmore ram will help lots07:50
Padronip407:50
mazalDid you try Lubuntu though ?07:50
Padroniram is hard to find for those07:50
jacques_If you want to use them as HTPC then go with Kodibuntu07:50
mazalNot unity07:50
Padronikodibuntu?07:50
* Padroni fires up Google-blech07:50
Kilosddr ram?07:51
jacques_I use it on mine - boots straight in to kodi but is based on lubuntu07:51
Kilosddr 40007:51
jacques_works fine on 1gb or ram07:51
PadroniMicroITX does not offer video though07:52
Padroniso it's onboard vid only07:52
jacques_what board is it07:53
Padronihttp://ark.intel.com/products/39682/Intel-Desktop-Board-DG41MJ07:54
PadroniDG41MJ07:54
PadroniI have two of those07:54
Padronias well as a Asus EEEPC07:54
jacques_g41 chip has integrated HW decoding so will work perfectly for HTPC07:55
PadroniI have tried XBMC but not a fan of that07:56
Padronithat is if your stuff is ON the pc you are working from.  Mine is on a file server07:56
jacques_mine is on file server too07:56
Padronihmmm07:57
Padronii will try kodibuntu then and report back07:57
jacques_you just add the shares to you library on then forget about it07:57
Padronithese are very nice, very cute little computers07:57
Kiloshehe07:57
Padroniwith TPLink 108Mbps wifi cards07:57
jacques_g41 chipset works fine with 1080p playback - just don't try 3d on them - they can't keep up :)07:58
Padronipicked them up for R600 each at that 2nd hand shop we shall not name07:59
jacques_haha07:59
* Padroni can't rememberr the name now, hence the secrecy07:59
Padronithey still have a few if anyone is interested.07:59
jacques_Nah - moving all my htpc's to Rasp PI 2's08:00
PadroniI so want a rasp pi08:00
Padronibut uhmm08:00
PadroniI technically own 7 computers08:00
Padronislipping another one past the wife is gonna be hard...08:00
Kiloslol08:00
Kilossell the mac08:00
Padronican't08:01
Padronicompany property08:01
Padroniand they want it back08:01
Kiloseish08:01
barrydksel the wife problem solved08:01
Padroniwhich reminds me08:01
PadroniI need to get that thing formatted before they pick it up08:02
Padroniwell08:02
Padroniafter her last performance review, that is pretty much on the table...08:02
jacques_>.<08:02
Padronijust don't quote me on that please...08:02
Padronijacques_:  - you own a beagleboard?08:03
PadroniI want one of those more08:03
Padronithere's this thing I want to build, that topples over cell towers08:03
Padroniyou know - just to test it08:03
Kilosdont touch my tower please08:03
jacques_Padroni: Have been wanting to try one08:04
Padronii have a list of toys of questionable morals that I want to still build08:04
Padronithe fake GSM base station for one - again with the beagleboard but the hardware you need for that is a couple of grand's worth08:05
PadroniI worked on a hardware keylogger last year but kinda lost track 08:06
Padroniand now it's just another semi-completed hack tool08:06
Padronibuilt into a PS/2 to USB adapter 08:06
Padroniso you won't suspect it08:06
Padronianyway08:07
Padroniso many ideas08:07
Padroniso little08:07
Padronitime08:07
Padroniand the inability to finish what I start08:08
jacques_I think allot of us suffer from that08:09
jacques_started automating home with arduino's 08:09
jacques_haven't finished that as well08:09
Kiloslol08:10
jacques_Coded it ages ago but still have to finish the wiring08:10
highvoltageI start 3-5 new things a week and maybe finish one thing a month.08:11
Padronilol08:11
PadroniI see this infliction has hit you hard as well...08:11
Kiloslol lo highvoltage  08:11
highvoltagehey o/08:11
jacques_every time is see highvoltage I think about the song from electric six - scarred >.<08:13
=== jacques_ is now known as Jacques_Stry
Kiloswb barrydk  08:25
Kilosyo stickyboy  08:26
Padroniwb barrydk_08:27
Padroniwb all the barry's it seems08:28
inetprohighvoltage: have you tried trello?08:28
Kiloshehe08:32
mazalPadroni: It's one barry , but we struggled to get his chat correct and updates and all and all08:34
* Padroni assumed as much08:34
Kiloskill the thunderbird thing08:35
Kilosmazal  https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Tips_and_Tricks08:35
mazalYa he's using konversation also now08:42
Kiloshi magellanic  08:46
magellanicheya08:47
mazalmagellanic: Is it you mos that I also owe feedback ?09:04
highvoltageinetpro: I have used Trello before, yes09:05
magellanicfor?09:05
mazalRe the external refusing to boot thing09:05
magellanicoh yes09:06
inetprohighvoltage: hmm... which of the two accounts do you use, or do you prefer not to use it any more?09:06
magellanicsmaller partition you were going to try09:06
magellanichighvoltage: heya :)09:06
mazalInetpro's plan worked perfectly. It boots 100% with the small boot partition09:06
mazalSo it was a size issue09:07
magellanicah, nice09:07
magellanicglad to hear it works09:07
* inetpro wants to add highvoltage to our trello board at https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco09:08
inetprooh and we want to see highvoltage at the meeting tomorrow evening as well09:08
inetprone Kilos?09:08
inetpromazal: you mentioned that on Friday evening, I think :-)09:09
mazalNot to magellanic inetpro , just wanted to tell him , he also tried to help09:10
inetproah09:10
mazalI don't think he was here Friday night09:10
mazalUnless he was and I didn't see him :P09:10
inetprosorry, I should have followed the conversation09:10
* inetpro responded because of the ping09:11
Kiloshehe ek stem!09:12
Kilosyes inetpro  add him then he can see what we are doing09:13
Kiloshi drussell  09:13
magellanicI was here but wasn't paying attention :p09:14
magellanicglad it works though09:14
inetproKilos: you will have to get him to at least complete one thing a week09:14
Kilosdrussell  would be nice if you add your info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members#preview09:15
Kiloswell inetpro  you nag well there so i dont think he will have much of an option09:15
Padronifor some reason, my Evolution mail client considers all incoming mail as spam09:17
Padronialthough I appreciate the sentiment09:17
Padroniit's becoming a pain in the ass09:17
Kiloshighvoltage  can you fill in your info here too please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members09:17
KilosPadroni  you can mark them as not spam then next mail from there will be seen09:18
Kilosright click not spam09:18
Kilosor was that not junk09:19
mazalKilos: Must all of us fill our info in there ?09:23
Kilosthere is no must mazal  but its a way of seeing who is active09:23
mazalOk , what is lp member since ?09:24
Kiloslaunchpad09:24
mazalI just click 'edit' and add my stuff ne ?09:24
Kiloshttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members?active_batch=7509:25
Kilosya09:25
Kiloshi nlsthzn  09:28
nlsthznhey uncle Kilos 09:28
mazalKilos: I tried to add mine , but I can't get the columns right09:30
Kiloslol it drives me mad as well09:30
SquirmMorning09:31
Kiloshi Squirm  09:32
mazalKilos: I don't know what to put where as the columns is not 1 single row09:32
Kilos|| nickname ||09:32
Kilosand so on09:32
Kilosjust always end with || otherwise it crashes09:34
Kilosor gives errors anyway09:34
mazalHa , looks like I got it09:35
Kilosnice09:36
mazalI see my lp expires tjis year. Will I get an email to renew or something ?09:36
Kilosyes09:38
Kilosif they know your new address09:38
Kilosbut if old addy still works you will get it there09:39
Kilosnlsthzn  you can update yours too please09:41
nlsthznupdate something again?09:42
Kiloslol https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members09:42
Kilosthings change09:43
Kilosmazal  julle slimmes kan sommer nuvolari  se ekstra || ook insit vir my09:44
Kilosek breek goed te maklik09:44
* nlsthzn will wait until the layout is stable and do this once more >.>09:46
mazalKilos: I see I need to build a wiki for my username.09:47
mazalWhere is a manual how to do that :P09:47
mazalI clicked on edit and got just a big empty block09:48
Kiloslol09:51
Kilosi think look here09:52
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com09:52
Kilosoh09:52
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/mazal i think it is09:52
Kilosgo see someone else wiki page and do the same09:53
Kilosi forget how to get going09:53
mazalI'm sukkeling my alie af with the formatting09:54
Kiloshmm...09:54
Kilosso where is the pro when you need him09:55
Kilossomeone made one last night09:55
Kiloscaptine i think09:55
mazalyay !! I got the heading right lol09:56
mazalThat's a start09:56
Kilosgood09:56
* Padroni is not a fan of the wiki thing. Code is almost as bad as MS Word generated HTML09:57
Kilosoh there are manual goodies09:57
mazalgrrrrrrrrrr , now I can't get entries under each other09:58
KilosMaaz  google how to build a wiki page09:58
MaazKilos: "How to Create Your Own Wiki | PCMag.com" http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399582,00.asp :: "Wikipedia:Your first article - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article :: "How to Start a Wiki (with Pictures) - wikiHow" http://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Wiki :: "Create Wiki Pages - Blackboard Help"09:58
Maazhttps://help.blackboard.com/en-us/Learn/9.1_2014_04/Instructor/080_Collaboration/020_Wikis/020_Creat…09:58
mazalhey I got a link in :)10:02
Kiloslol well done10:02
mazalbut it doesn't work :(10:03
Kiloslol10:03
Kilosit might once you have saved it10:03
mazalAnd I put it exactly like the example10:04
Kilosmaybe thats not a good link10:04
mazalOk got that working , the help is crap10:05
mazalTried something and it worked10:05
mazalKilos: Can you look at this : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mazal#preview10:08
Kilosbut you are learning something new so thats good10:08
mazalYou see the info under personal:10:08
Kilossec10:08
mazalHow do I get that to be nicely under each other without spaces between10:09
Kilosone hand full of eisbein sarmy10:09
mazalIf I type it directly under each other then it throws it in 1 long line10:09
Kilosi see them all under each other10:09
mazalMine shows one empty line between each one10:11
Kilosoh ya but so what10:11
Kilosdid you do the headings thing too?10:11
mazalYep I did headings10:12
Kilos read up what all the characters do10:12
mazalThey look ok10:12
mazalThis is cool , I like this , just needs to learn the formatting10:13
Kilosi see it fine, why are the empty lines bothering you10:13
mazalI like things neat10:13
Kiloswrite down a how t for wiki pages10:14
Kiloshow to10:14
Kilosother peeps will ask for help still then you got the know how you can paste for them10:14
Kilosto remove the empty lines you click on the start of the line and tap the delete key10:19
Kilosits done10:19
Kilosreload10:19
mazalNo now it's a mess10:20
mazalEverything in 1 ungly line10:20
Kilosoh my10:20
mazalThat's what I said10:20
mazalI already tried that and that is what happens10:20
Kilosi cant remember what i did10:21
mazalSo it seems you can't add lines below each other , there must be a empty line between each one it seems10:21
mazalLemme continue with next part , will worry about that later10:22
inetpromazal: rtfs10:24
Kiloslol10:26
mazalinetpro: I do , but can't find it10:26
Kilosread between the lines haha10:26
mazalok Kilos , hows it looking now. Not too bad for the first 10 minutes ever in wiki lol10:27
mazalWill populate it a bit more as I find time10:27
Kilosgood10:28
mazalThis is fun :)10:28
mazalFeels like I am creating something10:28
Kilosyou are10:28
inetproat the bottom of the screen it says, " For more help, see HelpOnEditing orHelpOnMoinWikiSyntax." 10:29
Kilosinetpro   you have to design a very strong bait10:42
Kilosso we can lure peeps like wwk here10:42
inetprowwk?10:44
Kiloswilliam walter10:44
mazalKilos , inetpro : have a look see. suggestions are welcome please.10:52
highvoltageinetpro: used it for various project management things. I prefer not to use it unless I have to or unless others are already using it for something I need/want to contribute to. I think my username is highvoltage911 on there10:52
mazalStill very basic for now10:52
highvoltageinetpro: ah but for ubuntu-za you can add me10:52
inetprohighvoltage: cool10:53
inetpromazal: I'll check later10:55
Kilosi stuck with fedora mazal  10:55
Kilosand i work in an IT enviroment10:56
Kiloslooks good to me10:57
magellanicKilos: which wiki are you busy working on?11:06
Kiloswiki.ubuntu.com magellanic  11:07
mazalKilos: I want to learn more about this , this is nice11:07
Kiloswiki.ubuntu.com/mazal11:07
magellanicare you updating it?11:08
Kiloshe has just created it11:08
mazalmagellanic: Is my own one I just started on to start learning it11:09
Kilosim still playing here on and off and waiting for you to add your info11:09
Kilos  /wiki.ubuntu.comZATeam/Members11:10
mazalKilos: Barry added his info btw11:10
Kiloscool11:10
Kilosnou net by lp aansluit, help hom11:11
barrydknea only one thing at a time not twice together11:16
Kiloslol11:17
Kilosdie pro het jou nog nie beet gekry nie11:17
barrydkom te wat?11:17
Kilosmore than one thing at a time11:17
Kiloshe makes me do three, but then he has to go fix all three afterwards11:18
barrydkEk beweeg maar stadig net so dat niemand dink ek is dod nie11:18
Jacques_Stryjust pulled the sites code - this nicola generator looks interesting11:18
Kilosvery Jacques_Stry  11:19
Kilosworks well11:19
mazalall of a sudden my to-do list jumped to 15 entries :P11:19
Kiloslol11:19
Kiloshe would actually make a good teacher11:21
Kilostells you one step at a time, then kicks your butt till you go running down the road11:21
Kilosmy pro is a character of note11:22
mazalYes found it !!! It's line breaks :)11:36
mazalNow the first section is nice and neat below each other11:37
Kilosgood11:37
Kilosmake note of everything you do hey11:38
Kilosmaybe magellanic  will need help when he gets to add his info11:38
* Kilos ducks11:39
mazalIs going well , all things concidered :)11:39
magellanicmaybe hey Kilos :D11:40
Kiloslol :D11:40
mazalKilos: I can't find that memberlist link on main page , where is it located ? The one where everyone fill their info in11:52
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members#preview11:53
Kilosmaybe without the #preview11:53
Kiloswe are still buildint it and will then add the link on our site11:54
Kilosbuilding11:54
mazaloh ok11:54
mazalMay one only put ubuntu related stuff on that wiki server ?12:08
inetpromazal: what do you plan to put?12:11
mazalFor example , on the hobbies section , may I put a faq on minetest , or whatever else ?12:12
mazalOr lets say I want to create a manual , but something not ubuntu , let's saw a manual on rugby , or whatever. Is that allowed ?12:13
mazalI'm trying to find a rules & guidelines section , but couldn't find any link yet12:14
inetproa personal manual on rugby or something for everyone?12:14
inetproif it's for everyone then go put it on wikipedia12:14
mazalK , that's what I wanted to know , don't want to be breaking any rules12:15
inetprofor minetest I'm sure we can put it on the ubuntu wiki, it runs on ubuntu after all12:15
mazalI'm defnitely gonna put time into learning the wiki format better12:16
inetpromaybe create a Fun section as part of our team12:16
inetprosomething like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Fun12:16
mazalhmm , nice idea that12:17
mazalBut I must learn properly first :)12:17
inetpromazal: remember we also have a local minetest channel at #minetest-za12:18
mazalAh cool , didn't know that thanx12:18
inetpronot much happening there now but maybe you can get it flowing again12:18
mazalI made a little "scratch pad" on my own wiki that I will be using to learn. Enjoying this wiki thing12:20
Jacques_Stryi'm not used too working with bzr - can anyone help me on pulling a branch from launchpad so I can commit a fix12:21
Kilosinetpro  ^^12:22
inetproJacques_Stry: only if you make me some coffee12:23
KilosJacques_Stry  did you read the tutorial12:23
Kiloson our site12:24
KilosMaaz  coffee on12:24
* Maaz flips the salt-timer12:24
KilosMaaz  coffee for all12:24
MaazCome on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already12:24
inetproMaaz: coffee please12:24
Maazinetpro: Alrighty12:24
Kiloshi kulelu88  12:24
Jacques_StryI read the tutorial and everything worked fine with the example - but when I try too branch the one i get an error12:24
kulelu88Hello12:25
Kilosfrom ubuntu-za you make a new branch12:25
Kilosname it what you like12:25
Jacques_Stryubuntu-za worked fine12:25
Jacques_Strybut i'm trying to do a bug fix for practice - on xbubble :)12:26
Kilosoh12:26
Jacques_Strybut get - bzr: ERROR: Not a branch:12:26
Jacques_Stryerror message12:27
Kilosyou better make pro coffe then12:27
Kiloscoffee12:27
Jacques_Stryhaha - putting the kettle on12:27
mazalhey I can create sub pages , nice !!!!12:27
inetproJacques_Stry: are you in the trunk folder?12:27
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!12:28
KilosMaaz  ty12:28
MaazYou are welcome Kilos12:28
inetproMaaz: dankie12:28
MaazGroot plesier inetpro my vriend12:28
Jacques_Stryinetpro: In my projects folder i tried doing - bzr branch lp:xbubble12:28
Jacques_Strybut i get - bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/xbubble/".12:31
inetproJacques_Stry: this one https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xbubble/vivid ?12:31
kulelu88does anyone use dukto here? 12:31
kulelu88I enabled my firewall and now cant seem to use it12:31
inetproJacques_Stry: I'm guessing it should be 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xbubble' 12:32
Jacques_Stryinetpro: I'm an idiot - was using wrong branch name12:32
inetprohaha... no problemo12:33
Jacques_Stryinetpro: Thanks :)12:33
kulelu88Jacques_Stry: no you are not an idiot :)12:33
inetproJacques_Stry: I like superfly's method12:33
Jacques_Strywant to get myself accustomed to bzr launchpad system - Would like to give back to the community a bit12:34
Jacques_Stryso trying the "One Hundred Papercuts" bugs first12:35
kulelu88eeewww bazaar12:35
inetproJacques_Stry: bzr init-repo RepositoryFolder && cd RepositoryFolder && bzr co lp:RepositoryName trunk12:35
Jacques_Stryinetpro: mmmm.... i see - much quicker12:36
inetprothen you can make your own branches in the RepositoryFolder and keep a clean trunk separate12:36
Jacques_Strywhat does "co" do?12:37
inetprocheckout12:38
Jacques_Stryi see12:38
inetpronot sure what the exact difference is between checkout and branch12:39
kulelu88arent they completely different things?12:39
inetproshould maybe read http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/CheckoutTutorial12:40
inetprolaster12:40
inetprolater as well12:40
mazalinetpro: Did I add that card correctly ? Still learning trello12:48
inetpromazal: perfect!12:49
inetpronice to see people trying things12:49
barrydkCheers for eers peeps12:51
Kilosya12:52
mazalOnce I learned wiki then I can help with wiki pages12:52
mazalBye for now everyone , enjoy the rest of the afternoon12:52
mazalGod bless12:53
Kiloscheers mazal  12:53
KilosMaaz  announce Meeting here at 20.30 tomorrow night all of you. All excuse me's are to be in handwriting , in triplicate and hand deliverd to inetpro  in pretoria13:17
MaazAnnouncement from Kilos! Meeting here at 20.30 tomorrow night all of you. All excuse me's are to be in handwriting , in triplicate and hand deliverd to inetpro  in pretoria13:17
nlsthzn:)13:20
nlsthznI might not make it as I sleep when I can (which isn't much)13:21
Kilosaw nlsthzn  you the meeting reporter13:21
Kilossleep now so long13:21
nlsthzn?13:21
Kiloshehe13:21
Kilosum13:21
Kilosthat thing where you record things13:22
Kilosmonthly reports or something13:22
nlsthznthe bot does that.. I just need to remember to go manual edit the wiki etc later13:23
Kilosbut we understand so you can read logs next day and make one13:23
* nlsthzn always forgts13:23
nlsthzn*forggets13:23
nlsthznfuuuu!!13:23
Kiloslol13:23
Kiloslooks like you need sleep now13:23
nlsthznI actually do13:24
Kiloshows the baby and mom doing nlsthzn  ?13:27
nlsthznoh mom doing very well thanks... and baby good except he has been slightly niggly today, not slept much but we will keep on checking hopefully it means a good night tonight13:28
nlsthznthanks for asking :)13:29
kulelu88boy or girl?13:29
nlsthznboy kulelu88 13:29
kulelu88easier to raise a boy I think13:30
nlsthznwill see :)13:32
kulelu8821 years to go ;)13:33
nlsthznlol13:33
nlsthznyup13:33
nlsthznthe last few are the scary ones13:34
kulelu88it starts early these days. from like 14 they give grief 13:34
nlsthznoh my eldest is right there currently >.<13:36
kulelu88boy also?13:36
nlsthznnope girl13:36
kulelu88im sure you've raised her right so she'll be good :)13:37
nlsthznthanks kulelu88 ... all I can say we try our best13:37
kulelu88just dont let her read twilight, watch spud or know anything about tweenage romance :D13:38
nlsthznI guess I could lock her in her room for the next 5 years13:38
Kiloslol13:39
kulelu88that may come back to haunt you :D13:40
kulelu88darn, cant tunnel into work :(13:41
nlsthzn:p13:41
inetproKilos: uh, serious!?13:57
Kiloswhat?13:57
inetpro"All excuse me's are to be in handwriting , in triplicate and hand deliverd to inetpro  in pretoria"13:58
inetproai!13:58
Kiloslol well you so far it will be easier to attend the meeting13:58
nlsthzn:014:01
Kiloshi charl  14:03
charlhi Kilos 14:03
charlhow are you doing14:03
Kilosok ty and you?14:03
charlMaaz: coffee on14:03
* Maaz washes some mugs14:03
charli'm good14:03
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!14:07
charlMaaz: thanks14:07
Maazcharl: Sure14:07
* Padroni yawns...14:19
PadroniTime for a beer, eh?14:19
Padroni!beer14:19
Padroni!beer!14:19
PadroniMaaz... do something with your life.  Get me a beer...14:20
MaazPadroni: What?14:20
kulelu88no beer allowed in ubuntuza14:20
* Padroni hides his home brew setup14:20
PadroniWell if you guys want me to be able to function, I need beer after 16H0014:20
Padronijust saying.14:20
Padroniit's written like that in my contract at work as well.14:20
inetproMaaz: beer please14:20
MaazHidden in the back of the fridge inetpro14:20
KilosMaaz  beer please14:21
MaazHidden in the back of the fridge Kilos14:21
Padroniah...14:21
* inetpro hands Padroni a beer14:21
* Padroni learned a new trick14:21
Padronithank you inetpro14:21
Padronihow are you btw?14:21
kulelu88Maaz: juice please14:21
Maazkulelu88: What?14:21
inetproPadroni: now please get on with it again :-)14:21
Kiloscyber beer is better for the stomach14:21
kulelu88oom Kilos cant drink beer nomore14:21
inetproKilos: ai!14:22
kulelu88do any of you use ubuntus firewall?14:22
inetproyou need to teach your bot properly14:22
Padroni I wish people will set up their damn Joomla site's properly14:22
Padronimy mail queues are spammed by signup confirmations14:22
Kilosya gufw14:22
Padroniwhich means pretty soon those same clients will bitch about bandwidth usuage14:23
Padroniand guess who will have to go and truncate 400k spambot accounts out of the db...?14:23
PadroniJors Troelie.14:23
Kiloslol14:23
kulelu88eeuuw you still use PHP in 201514:23
Kilosdont moan, it pays for your beer14:24
Padronias apposed to what, kulelu88?14:24
Padronialmost all of the internet is running PHP14:24
PadroniASPX?  ASP?14:24
charlwat14:24
kulelu88as opposed to Python <314:25
Padronimy friend14:25
Padronifor that14:25
kulelu88or even Ruby14:25
Padroniweb developers will have to get real qualifications...14:25
Padroniwhich we both know won't happen14:25
charltrue14:25
Padronihahahaha14:25
charlweb developers will need to start to learn how to program14:26
PadroniI just realized that I pretty much pissed off a whole industry with that one sentence...14:26
charlwhich will not happen14:26
kulelu88but who am I to judge, my work relies on crappy PHP14:26
PadroniI refuse to learn it.14:26
PadroniI can read it14:26
PadroniI can find malicious code in it14:26
PadroniI know enough to get into trouble with it.14:26
Padronibut I will make no discernable effort learning it.14:26
charlgood, good14:27
PadroniI am not a fan of PHP14:27
Padronioh Kilos14:27
Padronithat script that stopped working?14:27
kulelu88are you a pretorian? Padroni 14:27
Padronireplaced it with a 1 line replacement script14:27
Padronino14:27
charlPadroni sounds like an italian14:28
* Padroni is Praetorian, however.14:28
kulelu88he's an afrikaaner 14:28
Kilossounds good Padroni  14:28
Padroniit's Italian for "The Masters" or something similar14:28
kulelu88methinks14:28
PadroniEk is afrikaans14:29
Padronimy internet handle is wel Italiaans14:29
charlmi piace14:29
Padronialso not by design14:29
charlgood, good14:29
PadroniMy gaming nick used to be "Heidi se hond"14:29
kulelu88ek dink ons het nie meisies op ubuntu za14:30
Padronibefore that, "Frankie se siekte"14:30
Kiloswe have14:30
Padroniso the next one was "Corporal Padroni"14:30
Padroniwhich got shortened to just Padroni14:30
Padronibeen 'padroni' eversince14:30
charlbellĂ­simo14:30
Padronionly found out the meaning years later14:31
charli will have a dopio espresso while you are at it14:31
kulelu88I shall have some pasta 14:31
charl*doppio14:31
charlit is very good, i like14:33
charl(said in thick italian accent)14:33
Padronilol14:34
PadroniI do not speak a word of Italian14:34
Padronior any other language for that matter14:34
charlbah, i speak like 514:35
charlactually more because there are also some dialects14:35
kulelu88speaking anything frenchish and germanish doesn't count charl. it is the same language in most instances14:36
charlkulelu88: nono, i don't speak french14:36
charli do however speak some degree of finnish and japanese14:36
charlin addition to various germanic languages14:36
kulelu88are you german? charl 14:37
charlnope14:37
kulelu88ooki14:38
* Padroni listens to Rammstein. A lot.14:39
charlvery good, have you listened to buck dich ?14:39
Padronino14:39
Padronilistening to it now though14:39
charlespecially the opening stanza14:39
charl:D14:40
* nlsthzn listens to Rammstein and reads the lyrics :p14:40
charlgood idea nlsthzn 14:41
PadroniI am currently stuck on Made in Germany14:41
charlread the lyrics :D14:41
nlsthzn:)14:41
* kulelu88 observes metal-lovers14:42
nlsthzn\m/14:43
Padroni*&#^@!)$# Revslider again14:44
PadroniI am beginning to hate that plugin14:44
kulelu88I deal with it everyday14:45
Padroniwhat industry you work in?14:46
charlkulelu88: btw you underestimate the issue of dialects ... people from different dialects don't even understand each other14:46
charlkulelu88: but most people learn the "standard" language in school to communicate to "outsiders"14:46
kulelu88security14:46
PadroniI gathered.14:47
Padronibe more specific?14:47
Padroniyou can pm if you preffer14:47
kulelu88charl: you're a programmer (I think), so you have higher order thinking and picking up dialects would be easy for you 14:47
Padroni*prefer14:47
charlkulelu88: true :D14:48
kulelu88I'm hiding pseudonymously Padroni 14:49
inetprowb charl14:49
Padroniah14:49
PadroniThink I know who you are then.14:49
inetprook Kilos, who hasn't joined us on Trello yet?14:49
PadroniI remember asking you in pvt about your job, and not getting any response.14:49
inetprowe have work to do man14:50
Kiloslol14:50
kulelu88i dont remember us speaking in private14:50
Kiloslemme go see who is there14:50
kulelu88unless you're phishing :O14:50
inetprocharl, Padroni, kulelu88: https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco14:50
kulelu88whos Bradley?14:51
Kiloscaptine14:51
Kilosyou got my face by too much stuff inetpro  14:53
inetproKilos: you can remove your face if you want14:54
charlhey inetpro :)14:54
charland thanks14:54
Kilosna ill just lurk there14:54
kulelu88oom are you afrikaaner by descent? your surname sounds english14:55
Kilosmy grandfather was born on durban beach14:55
Kilosso been here 3 generations now14:55
inetproKilos: yikes! Only three?14:56
Kilosen my ma was duits en france ek dink14:56
* inetpro has been here 6 generations already14:56
kulelu88that would make oom 4th gen if grandad was born on the beach14:56
Kiloswe only decided to come here when we saw the early peeps were messing up14:57
* Kilos ducks14:57
inetproai!14:57
Kilosoh14:57
Kilosno man ian is 4th14:57
kulelu88but your great granparents also came to SA14:58
inetproKilos: he's right14:58
Kiloskulelu88  , charl   and Padroni  from moms side it was many generations before my dads side14:58
Kilosai!14:58
Kiloslet me finish before distracting me man14:59
kulelu88somebody needs to write a book about the differences between afrikaaners and british folks in SA14:59
Kilos kulelu88  , charl   and Padroni  would you fill in your info for us14:59
Padroniwaiting for the confirmation email14:59
Padroniwhich seems to not want to come 15:00
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members15:00
kulelu88it's going via the NSA15:00
Kilosthose that arent members yet join now15:00
PadroniI am using outlook.com15:00
Padroniso it's my own fault15:00
Kiloswe gotta have the most informative and fastest site of all15:01
charlyes outlook.com is nsa-approved for all your secure and private communication needs15:01
Kiloslol15:01
charl:D15:02
nlsthznNSA hacking at hardware level now so doesn't matter what you use they are making backups for you15:02
charlgood, good15:02
kulelu88and sim cards15:02
kulelu88they should just plant chips in us 15:02
* charl grabs his tin foil hat15:03
Kilosthats the plan15:03
kulelu88nlsthzn: life must be great with your filtered internet in the UAE15:04
charlthere's another good rammstein song for you15:04
Padronifilled in as requested.15:04
charlwe're all living in amerika15:04
Padroni@ Kilos15:04
KilosPadroni  ?15:04
Kilosaha ty sir15:04
Padroniyou asked to fill in my 'stuff' on trello15:04
PadroniI did15:04
Kilosno that was pro's request15:05
Padroniah ok15:05
Padroniinetpro:  bio filled in as requested.15:05
Kilosmine was here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members15:05
Padroniyeah - wiki15:05
Padronii don't wiki that much15:05
Kilosthis wiki page will be linked to our site15:05
Padroniso I may never get on the wiki15:05
Kilosnever too old to learn Padroni  15:05
Kilosonly me15:06
Padronilol15:06
nlsthznkulelu88, it can become tedious but there isn't anything you can't get around at the end of the day15:06
Padronii doubt you can be taught anything15:06
Kilosai! i get taught everything over and over15:06
Kilosforget as fast as i learn15:07
Kilosall the fly's and pro's gray hairs are from me15:07
kulelu88I thought china was exporting its firewall for these other countries 15:07
PadroniFYI15:08
Padroniif anyone of you have a Lenovo laptop15:08
Padronibetter check if it has the Superfish spyware on 15:08
PadroniLenovo got caught out pre-installing that15:08
PadroniRight15:10
charli have two lenovo laptops but the first thing i did was reformat and install debuntu15:10
PadroniI am off15:10
Padronilater folks15:10
charlciao Padroni :)15:10
inetproPadroni: bio where?15:10
Kiloslater Padroni  15:10
charlciao a tutti15:10
Padronion trello?15:10
inetprohmm... 15:10
PadroniI am not gving out any personal info, inetpro15:10
KilosPadroni  he needs your user name on trello to add you in our trello15:12
Kiloshi Private_User  15:13
Private_Userhi Kilos15:14
inetproKilos: found him and added15:15
Kiloscool15:15
inetpronow you can dish out work to him also15:15
Kilosnow we can give him work hey?15:15
Kiloshehe15:15
Kilosrofl15:15
Kiloshe can look for spyware in our stuff15:16
inetprosnap15:16
Kilosya im just slower15:16
Kilosgreat minds think alike15:16
Kilosfools never differ15:16
Kiloskinda hot here today15:22
kulelu88today is cooler oom15:24
Kilossjoe15:25
Kiloshere in ptown?15:25
=== kulelu88 is now known as kulelu88_away
Kiloshttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/119099-did-the-nsa-hack-your-hard-drive.html15:25
Kiloscharl  formatting alone wont help15:26
Kilosyou would need to get clean firmware15:26
Kilosand most likely zero the drive as well15:26
charlthe firmware is the issue yes15:40
=== jacques is now known as Jacques_Stry
charlhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2886278/how-to-remove-the-dangerous-superfish-adware-presintalled-on-lenovo-pcs.html15:41
charlthis does not talk about firmware however15:42
Kiloswb Jacques_Stry  15:45
Kiloseish that site plays a video15:46
Kiloswithout a stop buttom15:47
Kilosbutton too15:47
mazalKilos: training in progress https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mazal/pad :)15:47
Kiloslol15:48
mazalBut now my eyes needs a break15:48
Kilosah thats good, keep it up when you have time15:49
mazalCheck out the "gaming volgorde" doc. That is my gaming to-do list15:49
mazalWas the first file I could find lol15:50
Kilosno time for gaming15:50
Kilosyou all need to work so i can rest15:50
mazalI go eat15:50
mazalMy eyes don't want to see anymore15:50
Kilosya gets tiring15:51
=== kulelu88_away is now known as kulelu88
kulelu88mazal whos your ISP?16:32
mazalkulelu88: Webafrica16:42
mazaland at work is Afrihost16:42
kulelu88looks like webafrica runs on IS16:43
mazalyep16:43
captineevening all16:49
Kiloshi captine  16:52
=== deegee is now known as drussell
Kiloswb drussell  16:55
drussellKilos: thx!17:02
KilosMaaz  seen superfly  17:30
MaazKilos: superfly was last seen 2 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes and 29 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-02-21 04:53:48 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2015-02-06 23:33:36 PST17:30
Kilosai!17:30
Kiloshope they are ok17:30
Kilosya just very busy17:41
Kiloswg magellanic  18:06
magellanicwg?18:06
Kilosoh typo man18:06
Kilosread between the lines18:06
Kiloswb18:06
magellanicah, thanks18:06
magellanicencrypted wb hey18:06
Kiloshehe18:06
magellanic:D18:06
Kilosim sure we are still waiting for you on trello18:07
magellaniclooking at the topic earlier, does the sailfish stuff affect linux users?18:07
magellaniceish18:07
Kiloslol18:07
* magellanic hides18:07
Kilosim sure when they put stuff in drive firmware it affects everyone18:08
magellanicah, that sucks18:08
Kilosthey can watch me all they like18:08
Kilosyou can get clean firmware from the manufacturers im sure18:09
Kilosjust need someone to read it and check18:09
magellanicfirmware is the new spyware :/18:11
Kiloslol18:11
Kilostime to start learning to code firmware18:14
captineyip.  I think the fight for privacy is one that will never end... imagine what is in things that we dont even know about.18:14
captinepen and paper...18:15
captineno more hdd18:15
Kiloslol18:15
Kilosno man learn firmware programming then sort your firmware, zero the drive then install and you are clear18:15
magellanicthe pen would need to be inspected for spy micro cams18:17
Kiloslol18:17
* superfly tries to prop his eyes open with match sticks18:23
captinesuperfly, my eyes are VERY heavy too18:25
captinethis waiting for the daughter to arrive is stressful... :)18:25
Kilosgo sleep fly18:25
captinequestion to all... looking at some business options.  should I setup my own mail server and if so, how does this work in terms of staying off blacklists etc, or do I pay someone for mail sending per domain?18:26
Kilosnlsthzn  go sleep18:28
nlsthznalready did, and I am back up to go sleep again uncle Kilos zzzzzzzzz18:42
Kiloslol18:42
mazalNight everyone , sleep well18:56
Kilosnight all, sleep tight. Get some rest my fly19:06
kulelu88?19:16
inetprosuperfly: gaan slaap 19:18
superflynou-nou19:18
magellaniccaptine: meaning hosted mail for your business?19:22
magellanicI'd look at google apps, let them host mail for your business too19:23
inetprocaptine: how many people? 19:23
captinemagellanic, yip.  or for others19:23
captinethinking of putting a "business in a box" thing together, to help people get their businesses off the ground19:24
captinei use google apps for my domain19:24
magellaniccool19:25
magellaniccaptine: planning on supporting it for them to? curious.19:29
captinemaybe.19:31
captinejust getting ideas down19:31
captinei am not very technical.. so looking at a business case19:31
captineetc19:32
captineless on the email and hosting... more on the financial applications and business management (am a CA by trade)19:32
magellanicI've seen a few SME type setups go sour because whomever put it in, didn't support it further19:33
captineyip.19:33
magellanicIMO, the value in offering it to SME, is in supporting it further19:33
captinei can believe it19:33
magellaniccaptine: something such as openerp/odoo ?19:34
captineour company uses mimecast as our gateway19:34
captineI find openerp/odoo a little heavy and cumbersome19:34
captineI come from an Oracle EBS implementation background so many of it's concepts make sense to me... just find installing it a pain.19:35
captinelooking at something more simple.19:35
magellanicI know a company doing install/support of openerp/odoo in Cpt, there is a good/big market for it19:35
magellanicyeah, I worked with it a bit19:35
captinei recall a CT company that was offering a rebranded openerp cloud service19:35
magellanicoh, hmm, erpweb by any chance?19:36
captinestill evaluating.19:36
magellanicI was doing devops for them for a while, I didn't like openerp19:37
magellanicmaybe it improved, with its new name, odoo :p19:37
captineledgersmb was an option... front accounting was the easiest on installing and I am more familiar with mysql... not so good with postgres19:38
captinethink a package that is part of the ubuntu repo's with good record is ideal.. easier for upgrades etc19:39
magellanicyeah, supporting these things become tricky19:39
captineesp if it is after normal working hours.19:39
captineand not fulltime....19:39
magellanicyep19:40
captinethe worst is people get a bad taste of open source software as some kid on the side tries to promise them things but doesnt support it (as you said). :)19:41
magellanicyes19:43
captineanyhow, been thinking of this for over a year now.. finally putting thoughts on paper.19:48
captinegotto sleep now.19:48
captinenight all19:48
charlgood evening19:50
magellanicevening19:52
charlhi magellanic 19:55
magellanichi, and bye ;) night folks19:57
kulelu88magellanic: you seem new19:57
magellanichere for about a week or so19:59
magellanicand before that, a few years ago probably.20:00
magellaniclater.20:00
superflygood night everyone20:25
kulelu88night20:26
inetprogood night 21:09

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