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bluesabrealso didn't optipng them before sending to you00:01
* knome shrugs00:01
knomei'm fine with that for now00:02
knomegot to prepare the 2.0 theme version soonish then00:02
bluesabrebug fixes or more goodies?00:02
knomei guess mostly bug fixes00:03
knomethanks for the screenshots anyway, they will be useful whatever we decide to do00:04
bluesabrenp00:05
pleia2knome: ooh, nice00:59
knomepleia2, isn't it!01:02
knomebluesabre, any idea why i'm not seeing parole controls? :P01:03
bluesabreyour warrant expired01:03
knome:(01:03
knomei'll revert the website01:03
knome:(01:03
bluesabre:(01:03
bluesabreso the controls are just missing?01:04
knomeyeah, and the mouse cursor disappears when i move it on the parole window area01:04
knomei'm on utopic fwiw01:05
knomei can pause the dvd on spacebar01:05
bluesabreoh, that's odd01:05
bluesabrehave a dialog open or anything?01:06
knomewhat dialog? parole dialog?01:06
knomenope, only that window01:06
knomeand i also can't see the timebar01:07
knomeeg. i don't know how much of the chapter i've watched01:07
bluesabrewhen you move the mouse, the bar and cursor should appear01:07
knomenope01:07
bluesabre:\01:07
knomethe mouse just moves under the window01:07
bluesabretry changing the sink01:07
bluesabrePreferences > Display > Video Output01:08
knomeyeah, that seems to work01:08
knomelet's see if it works with the dvd too01:08
knomesince i remember the controls were visible before the actual chapter earlier as well01:08
knomemhm, works now01:09
knomebut the video chops a bit01:09
bluesabrewhich sink?01:09
knomex, no xv01:09
knomeit's possible that the problem is in the dvd, this is the first time i watch it01:10
bluesabretry the other X (X11/XV)01:10
knomesame there01:10
knome:(01:10
bluesabreno xv is 0 acceleration01:10
bluesabre:(01:10
knomehappens at least when i unfocus the window01:10
knomei mean, it shows a blank/black frame01:11
knomecan confirm it happens on focus/unfocus01:11
knomelet me try the other sink..01:11
knomedoesn't happen with the clutter sink, but no cursor or controls01:12
bluesabrethats no fun01:12
knomenope01:12
bluesabrevlc ;)01:13
knomehuhu!01:13
knomelet's see if the frame skippnig happens on other events too01:13
knomeor without me doing anything01:14
ranuHello guys, I was wondering if the current behavior of the applications after disconnecting the dual monitor setup is right. I have two monitors, one is my notebook, and another is a 21'' screen which I use to extend the window. If I place any application in the second monitor (in the right) and then disconnect the VGA cable, the applications will be in a space which is unreachable.02:34
ranuWon't be nice if applications which were in the second monitor moved to a screen coordinate which is "mapped" (is this even right to say? I've said because the resolutions aren't the same) and visible to the user?02:35
brainvvashranu, did the behavior change in 15.04?02:38
ranuI can't say right now.  I didn't downloaded the .iso, but, nice idea. I'll check it out!02:38
brainvvashI remember reading about something related: tiled windows were not moved to the remaining screen after disconnecting the 2nd one02:39
ranuInteresting, did you read that on the bug tracker?02:42
brainvvashthere is also a known issue with disconnecting the external screen. the xfce settings daemon may crash, and therefore break some functionality02:42
brainvvashlet me try to find that report or comment02:42
ranuk02:42
brainvvashbug 133320302:44
ubottubug 1333203 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Tiled windows do not restore when 2nd display unplugged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133320302:44
brainvvashnot sure if bug 1379702 is related to your issue02:45
ubottubug 1379702 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "xfsettingsd crashes after disconnecting external screen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137970202:45
ranuGoing to have a look at it, thank you brainvvash :D02:46
brainvvash:)02:46
ranuSince I'm using 14.04, and the bug 1379702 never happened here, this may be just on utopic 14.10.02:47
ubottubug 1379702 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "xfsettingsd crashes after disconnecting external screen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137970202:47
brainvvashright02:48
brainvvashso yeah, please test 15.04 and file a new bug report02:50
bluesabreknome: utopic https://www.dropbox.com/s/io317wm5mfsfag4/utopic.tar.gz?dl=004:55
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Akusarihello :-)09:33
bluesabreknome: precise https://www.dropbox.com/s/gxrbv8okwwgrx2x/precise.tar.gz?dl=011:30
knomebluesabre, you've been busy ;)11:46
slickymasterWorkelfy, https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1404275/+merge/24520111:50
slickymasterWorkhey knome 11:50
knomehullo slickymasterWork 11:51
elfyslickymasterWork: ty12:16
slickymasterWorknp elfy 12:17
bluesabreknome: just felt like a fun side project12:24
knomehehe12:25
davmor2you're saying knome feels like a fun side project, I don't know if knome should take that as a compliment or an insult ;)12:28
elfyI think that a visit to knome would be a fun side project for sure :)12:30
slickymasterWorklol12:31
knome:P12:32
* knome shrugs and continues with other things12:32
knomeelfy, ping13:04
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elfyknome: pong16:10
dkesselmhhh. can anybody point me an english example output of "sudo lshw -C network" ?16:14
dkesselstruggling with translating that part16:15
dkesselthere is nothing which would be CLAIMED or something in english in my german terminal output16:15
elfydkessel: http://pastebin.com/36YKESAB16:31
elfydoes that help?16:31
dkesselelfy: perfect, thanks16:34
elfywelcome :)16:34
elfybluesabre: will we get the fix to xfce bug 11579 ? 16:38
ubottuxfce bug 11579 in core "can no longer expand directories in the tree pane while remaining in the current directory" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1157916:38
Unit193elfy: Version: 1.6.5, that's what we have in Xubuntu.17:51
Unit193ochosi: My merge was merged.17:51
elfyUnit193: yes I know - but are we going to get that issue fix before release? 17:53
Unit193Several bug fixes since release.17:57
pleia2knome: would like to publish next "Xubuntu at" article today, want to have a look first? http://xubuntu.org/?p=296517:58
pleia2anyone have trouble moving or adding panels on the daily? have someone on G+ who is struggling with it: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+xubuntu/posts/JMnibSDV5wM18:00
knomepleia2, i glanced at that yesterday, if you don't want to add photos, please go ahea18:01
knome+d18:01
pleia2knome: yeah, no photos, thanks18:02
knomepleia2, i'm planning to be in touch with that guy using xubuntu on his classes on the local uni where i talked too for another of those articles18:03
pleia2http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-at-mexican-collection-agencies/18:04
pleia2knome: great18:04
pleia2I've run out18:04
knome:)18:04
knomewe should do a social media campaign to gather more18:04
pleia2yeah18:04
knometweeted that ^18:05
pleia2knome: doh, double-tweet18:06
knome"Do you use Xubuntu in an organization and want to be featured on the Xubuntu website? Contact @pleia2 for more information!"18:06
* pleia2 deletes hers18:06
knome"deploymens"18:06
knomemen who deploy?18:07
pleia2yeah, that too18:07
knomeso what about that^ ?18:07
pleia2it's gone now18:07
knomeno, the tweet proposal :P18:07
pleia2that's fine18:07
knomeoki, will tweet18:07
pleia2posted article on fb and G+18:09
knomegreat18:09
knomei'm working on first updates for the new website theme18:09
knomebut what about setting up the first desktop of the week desktop now?18:10
pleia2I have a metric ton of work to do this week, so I can't do much more until next week18:11
knomeok18:11
knomeshould we schedule some time for $stuff18:11
pleia2sure18:11
knomeor can you, tbe?18:11
pleia2my brain is full18:12
knomehah18:12
knomewell when it isn't, and you're looking at your calendar, email me ideal times on next week and i'll get back to you then18:12
knomei mean, with the scheduling :P18:12
pleia2I'll see what I can do18:12
knomesure, no rush or pressure18:13
knomei'll get to things on my own eventually as well18:13
ochosiUnit193: yup, saw it, good news! :)18:13
knomejust want to get some of the technical side fixed18:13
elfyUnit193: cool - that's what I wanted to hear :p18:15
slickymasterWorkochosi: you still want https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1301056 as won't fix?18:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1301056 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Session name has "Session"" [Wishlist,Opinion]18:16
ochosiyeah18:17
slickymasterWorkon both packages ochosi?18:18
Unit193elfy: Heh, well so can't quite just grab a few commits and run with them.  I suppose you could argue this is a regression.18:18
ochosiyeah18:18
ochosigotta run18:18
slickymasterWorkok, I'll do it18:18
ochosibbl18:18
ochosity18:18
elfyUnit193: so - is that no? 18:18
slickymasterWorkdone ochosi 18:18
slickymasterWorkbluesabre: ping me with what you need regarding the standardization of the screenshot size for http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/18:20
Unit193elfy: Oh sorry, forgot to say. I don't know, not Sean, but prepped one anyway with 3/4 fixes.18:50
elfyk - ty18:52
Unit193(Doesn't count for much, but has to count for a little..)18:53
elfyan answer counts for a lot in my opinion :)18:54
elfyI guess if it's not going to make it - should do LP bug for it so people have something to hang a hat on18:55
Unit193Ah great, once you do that give me the bug number so I can add it.18:59
elfyUnit193: bug 142477419:03
ubottubug 1424774 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Unable to expand directories in the tree pane and remain in the current directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142477419:03
elfyadded the xfce one to it19:03
Unit193Great.19:04
Unit193bluesabre: In xubuntu-staging, and https://sigma.unit193.net/source/thunar_1.6.5-0ubuntu2.dsc19:06
brainvvashthis will be fixed anyway once xfce 4.12 is released and packaged, or?19:07
elfyUnit193: add it to vivid bug blueprint?19:07
Unit193brainvvash: Yes, but that's a lot of FFes, better get the bugfix in ASAP, since they're free.19:08
Unit193elfy: Err, right, that's somewhere..19:08
elfyI'll do it then :D19:08
Unit193bluesabre: Have you talked with the release team about Xfce 4.12?  Might be good to file the FFe now?19:09
brainvvashFFe for bug fix releases?19:10
Unit193brainvvash: 4.11.x => 4.12 is a major version bump for after FF.19:14
Unit193(This being the changelog http://paste.openstack.org/show/QVSubdGhCpBagr7Tp6jp)19:20
Unit193elfy: It's in staging if you would like to confirm the fixes.19:30
elfyUnit193: appears to have turned the trick :)19:37
Unit193Did you/can you confirm the others while you're at it?19:39
elfyothers?19:40
Unit193http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11571 - http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11557  You of course don't have to at all.19:41
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 11571 in general "Hide template file extensions in context menu" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]19:41
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 11557 in general "When renaming a file to go over the limit on properties dialog, it will not able to be canceled." [Critical,Resolved: fixed]19:41
elfyUnit193: I'll check them both19:45
elfyUnit193: don't have any templates other than Empty File - that looks as I'd expect it to19:46
brainvvashthat's just a cosmetic change anyway19:47
Unit193So many bugs reported against thunar. :319:50
elfyUnit193: ack fix for renaming issue19:51
Unit193Great. ;D19:52
Unit193brainvvash: Figured may as well grab it too, since it fixes an Xfce bug (albeit, yours) and has little regression potential.19:53
elfymmm19:53
brainvvashnothing wrong with that19:54
elfyUnit193: so had file name that was looong - then tried making it too long - got error on file rename, close and it all did as expected19:54
elfyretried - cos I am like that and http://i.imgur.com/hwOLfF7.png19:55
Akusarielfy!! hi :-)20:03
elfyhi Akusari 20:03
Akusarii'm trying my first sru and nomation on a bug for trusty. lets see what happen20:05
Akusaribut no xubuntu related bug. So, i'm silent now ;-)20:06
Unit193Good luck.20:07
Akusariunit193: thx :-) ahhh, i get you..:-) Let me ask you if you could build a thunar 1.65 for utopic as well :-)20:08
Akusarixfce-412 ppa20:08
Unit193Eh...20:09
Akusariwell, if its not possible it doesn't matter :-)20:10
Unit193It is, and since asked sure, but easier to just track one series, and utopic is going away oh so quickly now.20:11
Unit193I've done a few uploads for utopic in there, but mainly targetting trusty.20:12
Akusariyeahhh, i understand20:13
Unit193Akusari: Give it a minute to build (and about 5 to publish) then you're good to go.20:13
Akusarinp -)20:13
Akusari:-)20:13
Unit193http://git.xfce.org/xfce/tumbler/commit/?id=69122ab380c7f4fc5cf69d5b1d597f588ea39bc4 I'd say that's important.20:28
elfyprobably - there's lots of green and red and black20:29
Unit193Haha. :D20:29
Unit193Moves the thumbnail cache so other things than Xfce will see it.20:29
elfy:)20:30
Akusariunit193: thx, found your new thunar 1.65 :-)20:48
Unit193Sure.20:52
knomewow, super fast responses from the IS21:24
Unit193Oh, what'd you ask for?21:24
knometo pull the new revisions to production21:24
knomehappened in 25 mins21:25
elfy\o/21:25
* elfy gets knome to talk to them about his issues ... 21:25
knomehah.21:25
knomei just looked at the open queue21:26
knomeand saw many open tickets for me too21:26
elfy:p21:26
knomehttps://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=2353421:26
knomeSAAAAD21:26
knomeCreated: Sun Dec 08 20:16:02 201321:26
elfyha21:26
elfyyou should see the forum vb3 to vb4 changeover one :p21:27
knomei did21:27
knome:P21:27
knomeunfortunately...21:27
elfythere were 2 changes of forum council in the middle of that :p21:27
knomeyep.21:27
elfybeta 1 WILL be tomorrow21:28
elfyAkusari: ^^21:28
elfyI'll send some basic info to the list in the morning - likely I'll not have the correct url - so someone from the QA team can post the real link :D21:29
pleia2knome: are we supposed to not have a navigation footer on the main page?21:29
knomepleia2, yes21:30
pleia2meh21:30
knomepleia2, see the new menu21:30
pleia2not searchable21:30
knomewell bah21:30
knomeyou and your requirements :)21:30
pleia2ctrl+f to search for "contact" for example21:30
pleia2it's important21:30
pleia2digging through menus is unpleasant21:30
knomei can reintroduce it later21:31
pleia2thanks21:31
knomehttp://xubuntu.org/screenshots/21:32
knomepleia2, question if you have 5mins? :)21:41
pleia2don't have, running out to dr appt21:42
knomeheh, ok21:42
knomehave fun... if appropriate21:42
elfynight peeps21:56
knomenighty elfy :)22:08
brainvvashUnit193, this branch was updated https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/tree/lid-closed22:20
brainvvashcan you please package it again for the -staging ppa?22:21
Unit193Bloody...22:21
Unit193bluesabre: Recommends: desktop-base, gnome-themes-standard, gnome-icon-theme-symbolic, policykit-1   -gtk-greeter no longer needs the gnome ones, because of ada right?22:43
bluesabreUnit193: good question22:44
knomeok, one hopefully final push request sent to IS22:44
Unit193bluesabre: Did you check scrollback?22:46
bluesabreUnit193: yes, working on it :)22:46
bluesabreslickymaster: 1440x90022:46
knomebluesabre, slickymaster: we'd better document that :)22:46
knomebluesabre, slickymaster 22:51
knomehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes/Maintenance#Screenshot_guidelines22:51
knomefeel free to expand the very barebone guideline :P22:51
bluesabrelooks exquisite22:52
knome:D22:52
knomeauthored by bluesabre 22:52
knomebluesabre, fancy the new screenshots page? http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/22:56
bluesabreknome: that looks good22:56
slickymasterhey guys22:56
* bluesabre is happy to have screenshots all the same size22:56
bluesabrehey slickymaster 22:57
slickymasteryeah, the page does look pretty22:58
Unit193You know, one of these days, I'm going to sign something 'Unit 193 <unit193@Sigma>' and bluesabre won't notice and sponsor anyway... :322:58
bluesabreheh22:58
bluesabreI always review packages before uploading :)22:58
slickymasterbluesabre, what exactly do you want me to do, re the screenshots?22:58
Unit193I know, but how easy is that to miss? :P22:58
bluesabreslickymaster: nothing you'll need to do at the moment for xubuntu.org, I collected a bunch for precise, trusty, utopic last night22:59
bluesabreunless knome wants MOAR22:59
* slickymaster bets he will22:59
* bluesabre agrees22:59
Unit193https://sigma.unit193.net/source/light-locker_1.6.0-0ubuntu2.dsc23:02
Unit193 light-locker (1.6.0-0ubuntu2) vivid; urgency=medium23:02
Unit193 .23:02
Unit193   * d/p/lid-closed.patch: Refresh patch from upstream.23:02
Unit193     Handle UPower lid event with systemd too.23:02
slickymasterknome, what exactly you mean by default configuration? 23:02
Unit193bluesabre: Should we really keep shipping this?  Or wait for cavalier to actually finish it and merge?23:02
knomeslickymaster, same as xfce docs guidelines, do not change wallpaper/panel config23:03
slickymasterthe one just out of installation23:03
slickymasterok23:03
knomeslickymaster, if you have time tonight, we can discuss the website more or less briefly :)23:03
knomebbiab ->23:04
slickymasterknome, ftr http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds-xfdesktop23:04
slickymasterI assume your referring to this one ^^23:04
slickymasterI'll have time in about an hour, an hour and a half23:05
knomeslickymaster, yes, something like that, except for xubuntu it's both harder and easier;23:13
knomethe default config changes every cycle, but it's also easy to redo with a clean install23:13
Unit193bluesabre: 1. Re: Thunar, a-ok there?  Want to pickup another patch?  Drop one?  Not upload the fix?  2. FFe/Talk to release team about Xfce 4.12?  3. Whatever is going on with light-locker. :P23:15
bluesabreUnit193: 1. Thunar looks fine, will upload in a bit23:17
bluesabreUnit193: 2. Going to work on the FFe this evening (thanks for the reminder)23:18
bluesabreUnit193: 3. I suppose there is something to figure out there, need to dig in23:18
bluesabreUnit193: 4.23:18
Unit193I'd recommend talking to release team, because all those releases basically should be bugfixes anyway, no?  (But yeah, likely still require FFes)23:19
bluesabreUnit193: oh wait, there was no 423:19
bluesabreyeah23:19
Unit193bluesabre: Hah, well yeah.  That's all I needed answers for!  I have the patch refreshed and in /source/ as linked to.23:19
Unit193I should likely upload to staging.23:19
bluesabreI'll do the FFe as a single thing first, then ping release team folks23:19
bluesabresince I usually miss their schedules23:19
knomewebsite updates done for now :)23:50
pleia2knome: thank you :)23:50
knomeno problem23:50
knome...any more23:50
* knome grins23:50
knome:)23:50
bluesabrewell now that you mention it23:50
knomealso made it so that we can have a different menu @footer23:51
knomebluesabre, yes master?23:51
bluesabrej/k23:51
knome:P23:51
pleia2knome: back now if you still need 5 min ;)23:51
knomepleia2, nah, ^ that was the answer23:51
knomewell23:51
knomei can use 5 mins for something else23:51
pleia2haha23:52
knomehttp://xubuntu.org/help/23:52
knomewe should link to the docs from the first list23:52
knomeper release23:52
knometo make the documentation links more prominent23:52
pleia2wfm23:52
knomeneeds a small text review23:52
knomehttp://xubuntu.org/products/23:52
knomeno t-shirts mentioned23:52
knomeand maybe we could do a shinier section on unixstickers there23:53
pleia2so I think it's time to retire the StartUbuntu poster23:53
knomea la stuff @ http://xubuntu.org/donations/23:53
knomeyes,23:53
knomei also need to fix the branding stuff23:53
* knome sighs23:53
pleia2I think we keep stickers in one section and t-shirts in another, even though they're all from unixstickers23:54
knomewe have so much great stuff but it's been hidden so log23:54
knomewe could still add a unixstickers logo there :)23:54
pleia2yeah23:54
knomehttp://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/ 23:54
knomeneeds updating!!23:54
pleia2indeed :)23:54
knomehttp://xubuntu.org/about/ <- badly linked, i think it's only in the menu23:55
pleia2and footer23:55
knomewell menu is main menu and footer menu23:55
knomeit's still too hidden23:56
pleia2do we want to consolidate and put it all on the front page?23:56
knomeprobably not23:56
pleia2k23:56
knomei like the new page23:56
knomeit's recently updated too23:56
pleia2alright23:56
knomewe have the ability to add more widget areas on the front pge23:57
knome*page23:57
knomeas you can see on the staging site now23:57
knomeso if we want to highlight something on the website or elsewhere, we can easily do so23:57
pleia2I see23:57
knomewe have one more widget area to use, which is not visible now23:58
bluesabreUnit193: see -release, may be a bit before I can upload thunar23:59
Unit193Saw already, thanks.23:59

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