[00:01] <bluesabre> also didn't optipng them before sending to you
[00:01]  * knome shrugs
[00:02] <knome> i'm fine with that for now
[00:02] <knome> got to prepare the 2.0 theme version soonish then
[00:02] <bluesabre> bug fixes or more goodies?
[00:03] <knome> i guess mostly bug fixes
[00:04] <knome> thanks for the screenshots anyway, they will be useful whatever we decide to do
[00:05] <bluesabre> np
[00:59] <pleia2> knome: ooh, nice
[01:02] <knome> pleia2, isn't it!
[01:03] <knome> bluesabre, any idea why i'm not seeing parole controls? :P
[01:03] <bluesabre> your warrant expired
[01:03] <knome> :(
[01:03] <knome> i'll revert the website
[01:03] <knome> :(
[01:03] <bluesabre> :(
[01:04] <bluesabre> so the controls are just missing?
[01:04] <knome> yeah, and the mouse cursor disappears when i move it on the parole window area
[01:05] <knome> i'm on utopic fwiw
[01:05] <knome> i can pause the dvd on spacebar
[01:05] <bluesabre> oh, that's odd
[01:06] <bluesabre> have a dialog open or anything?
[01:06] <knome> what dialog? parole dialog?
[01:06] <knome> nope, only that window
[01:07] <knome> and i also can't see the timebar
[01:07] <knome> eg. i don't know how much of the chapter i've watched
[01:07] <bluesabre> when you move the mouse, the bar and cursor should appear
[01:07] <knome> nope
[01:07] <bluesabre> :\
[01:07] <knome> the mouse just moves under the window
[01:07] <bluesabre> try changing the sink
[01:08] <bluesabre> Preferences > Display > Video Output
[01:08] <knome> yeah, that seems to work
[01:08] <knome> let's see if it works with the dvd too
[01:08] <knome> since i remember the controls were visible before the actual chapter earlier as well
[01:09] <knome> mhm, works now
[01:09] <knome> but the video chops a bit
[01:09] <bluesabre> which sink?
[01:09] <knome> x, no xv
[01:10] <knome> it's possible that the problem is in the dvd, this is the first time i watch it
[01:10] <bluesabre> try the other X (X11/XV)
[01:10] <knome> same there
[01:10] <knome> :(
[01:10] <bluesabre> no xv is 0 acceleration
[01:10] <bluesabre> :(
[01:10] <knome> happens at least when i unfocus the window
[01:11] <knome> i mean, it shows a blank/black frame
[01:11] <knome> can confirm it happens on focus/unfocus
[01:11] <knome> let me try the other sink..
[01:12] <knome> doesn't happen with the clutter sink, but no cursor or controls
[01:12] <bluesabre> thats no fun
[01:12] <knome> nope
[01:13] <bluesabre> vlc ;)
[01:13] <knome> huhu!
[01:13] <knome> let's see if the frame skippnig happens on other events too
[01:14] <knome> or without me doing anything
[02:34] <ranu> Hello guys, I was wondering if the current behavior of the applications after disconnecting the dual monitor setup is right. I have two monitors, one is my notebook, and another is a 21'' screen which I use to extend the window. If I place any application in the second monitor (in the right) and then disconnect the VGA cable, the applications will be in a space which is unreachable.
[02:35] <ranu> Won't be nice if applications which were in the second monitor moved to a screen coordinate which is "mapped" (is this even right to say? I've said because the resolutions aren't the same) and visible to the user?
[02:38] <brainvvash> ranu, did the behavior change in 15.04?
[02:38] <ranu> I can't say right now.  I didn't downloaded the .iso, but, nice idea. I'll check it out!
[02:39] <brainvvash> I remember reading about something related: tiled windows were not moved to the remaining screen after disconnecting the 2nd one
[02:42] <ranu> Interesting, did you read that on the bug tracker?
[02:42] <brainvvash> there is also a known issue with disconnecting the external screen. the xfce settings daemon may crash, and therefore break some functionality
[02:42] <brainvvash> let me try to find that report or comment
[02:42] <ranu> k
[02:44] <brainvvash> bug 1333203
[02:45] <brainvvash> not sure if bug 1379702 is related to your issue
[02:46] <ranu> Going to have a look at it, thank you brainvvash :D
[02:46] <brainvvash> :)
[02:47] <ranu> Since I'm using 14.04, and the bug 1379702 never happened here, this may be just on utopic 14.10.
[02:48] <brainvvash> right
[02:50] <brainvvash> so yeah, please test 15.04 and file a new bug report
[04:55] <bluesabre> knome: utopic https://www.dropbox.com/s/io317wm5mfsfag4/utopic.tar.gz?dl=0
[09:33] <Akusari> hello :-)
[11:30] <bluesabre> knome: precise https://www.dropbox.com/s/gxrbv8okwwgrx2x/precise.tar.gz?dl=0
[11:46] <knome> bluesabre, you've been busy ;)
[11:50] <slickymasterWork> elfy, https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1404275/+merge/245201
[11:50] <slickymasterWork> hey knome 
[11:51] <knome> hullo slickymasterWork 
[12:16] <elfy> slickymasterWork: ty
[12:17] <slickymasterWork> np elfy 
[12:24] <bluesabre> knome: just felt like a fun side project
[12:25] <knome> hehe
[12:28] <davmor2> you're saying knome feels like a fun side project, I don't know if knome should take that as a compliment or an insult ;)
[12:30] <elfy> I think that a visit to knome would be a fun side project for sure :)
[12:31] <slickymasterWork> lol
[12:32] <knome> :P
[12:32]  * knome shrugs and continues with other things
[13:04] <knome> elfy, ping
[16:10] <elfy> knome: pong
[16:14] <dkessel> mhhh. can anybody point me an english example output of "sudo lshw -C network" ?
[16:15] <dkessel> struggling with translating that part
[16:15] <dkessel> there is nothing which would be CLAIMED or something in english in my german terminal output
[16:31] <elfy> dkessel: http://pastebin.com/36YKESAB
[16:31] <elfy> does that help?
[16:34] <dkessel> elfy: perfect, thanks
[16:34] <elfy> welcome :)
[16:38] <elfy> bluesabre: will we get the fix to xfce bug 11579 ? 
[17:51] <Unit193> elfy: Version: 1.6.5, that's what we have in Xubuntu.
[17:51] <Unit193> ochosi: My merge was merged.
[17:53] <elfy> Unit193: yes I know - but are we going to get that issue fix before release? 
[17:57] <Unit193> Several bug fixes since release.
[17:58] <pleia2> knome: would like to publish next "Xubuntu at" article today, want to have a look first? http://xubuntu.org/?p=2965
[18:00] <pleia2> anyone have trouble moving or adding panels on the daily? have someone on G+ who is struggling with it: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+xubuntu/posts/JMnibSDV5wM
[18:01] <knome> pleia2, i glanced at that yesterday, if you don't want to add photos, please go ahea
[18:01] <knome> +d
[18:02] <pleia2> knome: yeah, no photos, thanks
[18:03] <knome> pleia2, i'm planning to be in touch with that guy using xubuntu on his classes on the local uni where i talked too for another of those articles
[18:04] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-at-mexican-collection-agencies/
[18:04] <pleia2> knome: great
[18:04] <pleia2> I've run out
[18:04] <knome> :)
[18:04] <knome> we should do a social media campaign to gather more
[18:04] <pleia2> yeah
[18:05] <knome> tweeted that ^
[18:06] <pleia2> knome: doh, double-tweet
[18:06] <knome> "Do you use Xubuntu in an organization and want to be featured on the Xubuntu website? Contact @pleia2 for more information!"
[18:06]  * pleia2 deletes hers
[18:06] <knome> "deploymens"
[18:07] <knome> men who deploy?
[18:07] <pleia2> yeah, that too
[18:07] <knome> so what about that^ ?
[18:07] <pleia2> it's gone now
[18:07] <knome> no, the tweet proposal :P
[18:07] <pleia2> that's fine
[18:07] <knome> oki, will tweet
[18:09] <pleia2> posted article on fb and G+
[18:09] <knome> great
[18:09] <knome> i'm working on first updates for the new website theme
[18:10] <knome> but what about setting up the first desktop of the week desktop now?
[18:11] <pleia2> I have a metric ton of work to do this week, so I can't do much more until next week
[18:11] <knome> ok
[18:11] <knome> should we schedule some time for $stuff
[18:11] <pleia2> sure
[18:11] <knome> or can you, tbe?
[18:12] <pleia2> my brain is full
[18:12] <knome> hah
[18:12] <knome> well when it isn't, and you're looking at your calendar, email me ideal times on next week and i'll get back to you then
[18:12] <knome> i mean, with the scheduling :P
[18:12] <pleia2> I'll see what I can do
[18:13] <knome> sure, no rush or pressure
[18:13] <knome> i'll get to things on my own eventually as well
[18:13] <ochosi> Unit193: yup, saw it, good news! :)
[18:13] <knome> just want to get some of the technical side fixed
[18:15] <elfy> Unit193: cool - that's what I wanted to hear :p
[18:16] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: you still want https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1301056 as won't fix?
[18:17] <ochosi> yeah
[18:18] <slickymasterWork> on both packages ochosi?
[18:18] <Unit193> elfy: Heh, well so can't quite just grab a few commits and run with them.  I suppose you could argue this is a regression.
[18:18] <ochosi> yeah
[18:18] <ochosi> gotta run
[18:18] <slickymasterWork> ok, I'll do it
[18:18] <ochosi> bbl
[18:18] <ochosi> ty
[18:18] <elfy> Unit193: so - is that no? 
[18:18] <slickymasterWork> done ochosi 
[18:20] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre: ping me with what you need regarding the standardization of the screenshot size for http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/
[18:50] <Unit193> elfy: Oh sorry, forgot to say. I don't know, not Sean, but prepped one anyway with 3/4 fixes.
[18:52] <elfy> k - ty
[18:53] <Unit193> (Doesn't count for much, but has to count for a little..)
[18:54] <elfy> an answer counts for a lot in my opinion :)
[18:55] <elfy> I guess if it's not going to make it - should do LP bug for it so people have something to hang a hat on
[18:59] <Unit193> Ah great, once you do that give me the bug number so I can add it.
[19:03] <elfy> Unit193: bug 1424774
[19:03] <elfy> added the xfce one to it
[19:04] <Unit193> Great.
[19:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: In xubuntu-staging, and https://sigma.unit193.net/source/thunar_1.6.5-0ubuntu2.dsc
[19:07] <brainvvash> this will be fixed anyway once xfce 4.12 is released and packaged, or?
[19:07] <elfy> Unit193: add it to vivid bug blueprint?
[19:08] <Unit193> brainvvash: Yes, but that's a lot of FFes, better get the bugfix in ASAP, since they're free.
[19:08] <Unit193> elfy: Err, right, that's somewhere..
[19:08] <elfy> I'll do it then :D
[19:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Have you talked with the release team about Xfce 4.12?  Might be good to file the FFe now?
[19:10] <brainvvash> FFe for bug fix releases?
[19:14] <Unit193> brainvvash: 4.11.x => 4.12 is a major version bump for after FF.
[19:20] <Unit193> (This being the changelog http://paste.openstack.org/show/QVSubdGhCpBagr7Tp6jp)
[19:30] <Unit193> elfy: It's in staging if you would like to confirm the fixes.
[19:37] <elfy> Unit193: appears to have turned the trick :)
[19:39] <Unit193> Did you/can you confirm the others while you're at it?
[19:40] <elfy> others?
[19:41] <Unit193> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11571 - http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11557  You of course don't have to at all.
[19:45] <elfy> Unit193: I'll check them both
[19:46] <elfy> Unit193: don't have any templates other than Empty File - that looks as I'd expect it to
[19:47] <brainvvash> that's just a cosmetic change anyway
[19:50] <Unit193> So many bugs reported against thunar. :3
[19:51] <elfy> Unit193: ack fix for renaming issue
[19:52] <Unit193> Great. ;D
[19:53] <Unit193> brainvvash: Figured may as well grab it too, since it fixes an Xfce bug (albeit, yours) and has little regression potential.
[19:53] <elfy> mmm
[19:54] <brainvvash> nothing wrong with that
[19:54] <elfy> Unit193: so had file name that was looong - then tried making it too long - got error on file rename, close and it all did as expected
[19:55] <elfy> retried - cos I am like that and http://i.imgur.com/hwOLfF7.png
[20:03] <Akusari> elfy!! hi :-)
[20:03] <elfy> hi Akusari 
[20:05] <Akusari> i'm trying my first sru and nomation on a bug for trusty. lets see what happen
[20:06] <Akusari> but no xubuntu related bug. So, i'm silent now ;-)
[20:07] <Unit193> Good luck.
[20:08] <Akusari> unit193: thx :-) ahhh, i get you..:-) Let me ask you if you could build a thunar 1.65 for utopic as well :-)
[20:08] <Akusari> xfce-412 ppa
[20:09] <Unit193> Eh...
[20:10] <Akusari> well, if its not possible it doesn't matter :-)
[20:11] <Unit193> It is, and since asked sure, but easier to just track one series, and utopic is going away oh so quickly now.
[20:12] <Unit193> I've done a few uploads for utopic in there, but mainly targetting trusty.
[20:13] <Akusari> yeahhh, i understand
[20:13] <Unit193> Akusari: Give it a minute to build (and about 5 to publish) then you're good to go.
[20:13] <Akusari> np -)
[20:13] <Akusari> :-)
[20:28] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/tumbler/commit/?id=69122ab380c7f4fc5cf69d5b1d597f588ea39bc4 I'd say that's important.
[20:29] <elfy> probably - there's lots of green and red and black
[20:29] <Unit193> Haha. :D
[20:29] <Unit193> Moves the thumbnail cache so other things than Xfce will see it.
[20:30] <elfy> :)
[20:48] <Akusari> unit193: thx, found your new thunar 1.65 :-)
[20:52] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:24] <knome> wow, super fast responses from the IS
[21:24] <Unit193> Oh, what'd you ask for?
[21:24] <knome> to pull the new revisions to production
[21:25] <knome> happened in 25 mins
[21:25] <elfy> \o/
[21:25]  * elfy gets knome to talk to them about his issues ... 
[21:25] <knome> hah.
[21:26] <knome> i just looked at the open queue
[21:26] <knome> and saw many open tickets for me too
[21:26] <elfy> :p
[21:26] <knome> https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=23534
[21:26] <knome> SAAAAD
[21:26] <knome> Created: Sun Dec 08 20:16:02 2013
[21:26] <elfy> ha
[21:27] <elfy> you should see the forum vb3 to vb4 changeover one :p
[21:27] <knome> i did
[21:27] <knome> :P
[21:27] <knome> unfortunately...
[21:27] <elfy> there were 2 changes of forum council in the middle of that :p
[21:27] <knome> yep.
[21:28] <elfy> beta 1 WILL be tomorrow
[21:28] <elfy> Akusari: ^^
[21:29] <elfy> I'll send some basic info to the list in the morning - likely I'll not have the correct url - so someone from the QA team can post the real link :D
[21:29] <pleia2> knome: are we supposed to not have a navigation footer on the main page?
[21:30] <knome> pleia2, yes
[21:30] <pleia2> meh
[21:30] <knome> pleia2, see the new menu
[21:30] <pleia2> not searchable
[21:30] <knome> well bah
[21:30] <knome> you and your requirements :)
[21:30] <pleia2> ctrl+f to search for "contact" for example
[21:30] <pleia2> it's important
[21:30] <pleia2> digging through menus is unpleasant
[21:31] <knome> i can reintroduce it later
[21:31] <pleia2> thanks
[21:32] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/
[21:41] <knome> pleia2, question if you have 5mins? :)
[21:42] <pleia2> don't have, running out to dr appt
[21:42] <knome> heh, ok
[21:42] <knome> have fun... if appropriate
[21:56] <elfy> night peeps
[22:08] <knome> nighty elfy :)
[22:20] <brainvvash> Unit193, this branch was updated https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/tree/lid-closed
[22:21] <brainvvash> can you please package it again for the -staging ppa?
[22:21] <Unit193> Bloody...
[22:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: Recommends: desktop-base, gnome-themes-standard, gnome-icon-theme-symbolic, policykit-1   -gtk-greeter no longer needs the gnome ones, because of ada right?
[22:44] <bluesabre> Unit193: good question
[22:44] <knome> ok, one hopefully final push request sent to IS
[22:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you check scrollback?
[22:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, working on it :)
[22:46] <bluesabre> slickymaster: 1440x900
[22:46] <knome> bluesabre, slickymaster: we'd better document that :)
[22:51] <knome> bluesabre, slickymaster 
[22:51] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes/Maintenance#Screenshot_guidelines
[22:51] <knome> feel free to expand the very barebone guideline :P
[22:52] <bluesabre> looks exquisite
[22:52] <knome> :D
[22:52] <knome> authored by bluesabre 
[22:56] <knome> bluesabre, fancy the new screenshots page? http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/
[22:56] <bluesabre> knome: that looks good
[22:56] <slickymaster> hey guys
[22:56]  * bluesabre is happy to have screenshots all the same size
[22:57] <bluesabre> hey slickymaster 
[22:58] <slickymaster> yeah, the page does look pretty
[22:58] <Unit193> You know, one of these days, I'm going to sign something 'Unit 193 <unit193@Sigma>' and bluesabre won't notice and sponsor anyway... :3
[22:58] <bluesabre> heh
[22:58] <bluesabre> I always review packages before uploading :)
[22:58] <slickymaster> bluesabre, what exactly do you want me to do, re the screenshots?
[22:58] <Unit193> I know, but how easy is that to miss? :P
[22:59] <bluesabre> slickymaster: nothing you'll need to do at the moment for xubuntu.org, I collected a bunch for precise, trusty, utopic last night
[22:59] <bluesabre> unless knome wants MOAR
[22:59]  * slickymaster bets he will
[22:59]  * bluesabre agrees
[23:02] <Unit193> https://sigma.unit193.net/source/light-locker_1.6.0-0ubuntu2.dsc
[23:02] <Unit193>  light-locker (1.6.0-0ubuntu2) vivid; urgency=medium
[23:02] <Unit193>  .
[23:02] <Unit193>    * d/p/lid-closed.patch: Refresh patch from upstream.
[23:02] <Unit193>      Handle UPower lid event with systemd too.
[23:02] <slickymaster> knome, what exactly you mean by default configuration? 
[23:02] <Unit193> bluesabre: Should we really keep shipping this?  Or wait for cavalier to actually finish it and merge?
[23:03] <knome> slickymaster, same as xfce docs guidelines, do not change wallpaper/panel config
[23:03] <slickymaster> the one just out of installation
[23:03] <slickymaster> ok
[23:03] <knome> slickymaster, if you have time tonight, we can discuss the website more or less briefly :)
[23:04] <knome> bbiab ->
[23:04] <slickymaster> knome, ftr http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds-xfdesktop
[23:04] <slickymaster> I assume your referring to this one ^^
[23:05] <slickymaster> I'll have time in about an hour, an hour and a half
[23:13] <knome> slickymaster, yes, something like that, except for xubuntu it's both harder and easier;
[23:13] <knome> the default config changes every cycle, but it's also easy to redo with a clean install
[23:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: 1. Re: Thunar, a-ok there?  Want to pickup another patch?  Drop one?  Not upload the fix?  2. FFe/Talk to release team about Xfce 4.12?  3. Whatever is going on with light-locker. :P
[23:17] <bluesabre> Unit193: 1. Thunar looks fine, will upload in a bit
[23:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: 2. Going to work on the FFe this evening (thanks for the reminder)
[23:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: 3. I suppose there is something to figure out there, need to dig in
[23:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: 4.
[23:19] <Unit193> I'd recommend talking to release team, because all those releases basically should be bugfixes anyway, no?  (But yeah, likely still require FFes)
[23:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: oh wait, there was no 4
[23:19] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hah, well yeah.  That's all I needed answers for!  I have the patch refreshed and in /source/ as linked to.
[23:19] <Unit193> I should likely upload to staging.
[23:19] <bluesabre> I'll do the FFe as a single thing first, then ping release team folks
[23:19] <bluesabre> since I usually miss their schedules
[23:50] <knome> website updates done for now :)
[23:50] <pleia2> knome: thank you :)
[23:50] <knome> no problem
[23:50] <knome> ...any more
[23:50]  * knome grins
[23:50] <knome> :)
[23:50] <bluesabre> well now that you mention it
[23:51] <knome> also made it so that we can have a different menu @footer
[23:51] <knome> bluesabre, yes master?
[23:51] <bluesabre> j/k
[23:51] <knome> :P
[23:51] <pleia2> knome: back now if you still need 5 min ;)
[23:51] <knome> pleia2, nah, ^ that was the answer
[23:51] <knome> well
[23:51] <knome> i can use 5 mins for something else
[23:52] <pleia2> haha
[23:52] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/help/
[23:52] <knome> we should link to the docs from the first list
[23:52] <knome> per release
[23:52] <knome> to make the documentation links more prominent
[23:52] <pleia2> wfm
[23:52] <knome> needs a small text review
[23:52] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/products/
[23:52] <knome> no t-shirts mentioned
[23:53] <knome> and maybe we could do a shinier section on unixstickers there
[23:53] <pleia2> so I think it's time to retire the StartUbuntu poster
[23:53] <knome> a la stuff @ http://xubuntu.org/donations/
[23:53] <knome> yes,
[23:53] <knome> i also need to fix the branding stuff
[23:53]  * knome sighs
[23:54] <pleia2> I think we keep stickers in one section and t-shirts in another, even though they're all from unixstickers
[23:54] <knome> we have so much great stuff but it's been hidden so log
[23:54] <knome> we could still add a unixstickers logo there :)
[23:54] <pleia2> yeah
[23:54] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/ 
[23:54] <knome> needs updating!!
[23:54] <pleia2> indeed :)
[23:55] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/about/ <- badly linked, i think it's only in the menu
[23:55] <pleia2> and footer
[23:55] <knome> well menu is main menu and footer menu
[23:56] <knome> it's still too hidden
[23:56] <pleia2> do we want to consolidate and put it all on the front page?
[23:56] <knome> probably not
[23:56] <pleia2> k
[23:56] <knome> i like the new page
[23:56] <knome> it's recently updated too
[23:56] <pleia2> alright
[23:57] <knome> we have the ability to add more widget areas on the front pge
[23:57] <knome> *page
[23:57] <knome> as you can see on the staging site now
[23:57] <knome> so if we want to highlight something on the website or elsewhere, we can easily do so
[23:57] <pleia2> I see
[23:58] <knome> we have one more widget area to use, which is not visible now
[23:59] <bluesabre> Unit193: see -release, may be a bit before I can upload thunar
[23:59] <Unit193> Saw already, thanks.