[00:05] <id-furqon> that's good,  thanks for the answer friend
[01:15] <Legendre> howdy folks
[01:15] <knome> hello
[01:15] <Legendre> having trouble controlling module loading at boottime.. an
[01:15] <Legendre> any takers?
[01:16] <Legendre> d..LP is loading, I want to load CBM insteal
[01:16] <Legendre> pqardon the kb issue here
[01:33] <Legendre> how do I contol mod loading at boot?
[01:33] <Legendre> my /etc/modules isn't being respected..
[01:33] <Legendre> need to not load lp, load cbm instead
[01:35] <brainvvash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Loadable_Modules
[01:36] <brainvvash> it's a general question, so you could also ask in #ubuntu
[01:38] <Legendre> here's the deal.. my /etc/modules isn't being respected..
[01:38] <Legendre> changes there don't take effect.
[01:38] <Legendre> lp is #lp commented out, and cbm is added. I also updated the initramfs
[01:38] <brainvvash> did you update initramfs?
[01:38] <brainvvash> ok
[01:39] <Legendre> do I need to explicitly b-list lp?
[01:39] <Legendre> as if, it's not actually being loaded by /etc/mods
[01:39] <Legendre> ?
[01:39] <brainvvash> yes, please try that
[01:39] <Legendre> will do, bbiab
[01:55] <Legendre> Well, I've tried several different permutations of this, and nothing works. Can't stop lp from loading..
[01:58] <brainvvash> Legendre, look at /etc/default/cups
[01:59] <brainvvash> LOAD_LP_MODULE=
[01:59] <Legendre> hang on..
[02:07] <Legendre> You've done better than any other, got me half-way there.. lp is no longer loading. However, your instructions are a little out of date.
[02:07] <Legendre> the /etc/default/cups is deprecated, it sent me to a different file that had the lp mod loading stuff in it.
[02:07] <Legendre> I commentd out lp and that took care of it, left in parport_pc and ppdev
[02:08] <Legendre> but cbm isn't loading, tho it +is+ in /etc/modules.. so what's next? =)
[02:08] <Legendre> If you're using 14.X, take a look at /etc/default/cups - do you see what I see?
[02:09] <brainvvash> can you load it manually? also, check syslog
[02:09]  * Legendre needs to start an sshd on that other box. 
[02:09] <Legendre> sure I can load it manually.. but here's the deal. The motor on the 1541 runs continuously without it, so I have to do it every time, lest I ruin that drive.
[02:10]  * Legendre has a CBM-1541 with PP & serial connection to the pc parport.
[02:10] <brainvvash> you could add the command to /etc/rc.local
[02:10]  * Legendre is a Commie dork from way, way back.
[02:11] <Legendre> suppose I could, but.. wtf is wrong with the prescribed method? Why is /etc/modules being all crappy and ignored?
[02:11] <brainvvash> we don't know
[02:11] <Legendre> If I'm included in the 'we', that's surely correct! ;-()
[02:12] <Legendre> Wow, adding a modprobe line to rc.local takes me back, lol.. to Slackware 7.x
[02:12] <brainvvash> so yeah, someone in #ubuntu may know what's going on
[02:13] <Legendre> And *buntu is like flying cars and hoverboards compared to the old way, of Slack, so it just seems kinda anachronistric.
[02:14] <Legendre> So would that be the rc.local under /etc/ or /etc/init.d/? =)
[02:14] <Legendre> WTF
[02:15] <brainvvash> etc/rc.local
[02:15] <Legendre> okey
[02:16] <brainvvash> the init.d one is the sysvinit service which reads the actual rc.local file on boot
[02:22] <Legendre> Ok. While I'm unconvinced of the elegance of this approach, it has in fact achieved the result.. so thank you, you topped the whole of the internet!
[02:22]  * Legendre bows to brainvvash 
[02:23] <brainvvash> you're welcome :)
[02:23] <Legendre> no blacklisting or update-initramfs seems to have been required.
[02:24] <Legendre> it appears to be entirely down to the cupsd module loader, and the rc.local
[02:24] <Legendre> hard to say for sure, tho, as I'd have to back-track and revert any lingering changes to those areas.
[02:24] <Legendre> But the main issue was preventing load of lp..
[02:25] <Legendre> and that was certainly the most convoluted issue.. the fact that it's "loaded" by /etc/modules is a big old red herring - because it's NOT.
[09:18] <xubuntu07i> hi i have a problem with xubuntu (im french) when i install it , the home screen freeze i can't do anything.
[09:19] <xubuntu07i> the mouse don't moove , i can only reboot with the power button
[10:55] <max12345> Hey I just found some instructions on how to increase swap space
[10:55] <max12345> just to make sure i understood correctly,
[10:55] <max12345> dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swap.img bs=1024k count=1000
[10:56] <max12345> this creates a file to be used for swapping
[10:56] <max12345> mkswap /var/swap.img
[10:56] <max12345> this formats it
[10:56] <max12345> swapon /var/swap.img
[10:56] <max12345> and this turns it on right?
[11:00] <brainvvash> max12345, did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq ?
[11:01] <max12345> brainvvash, I will now
[11:04] <max12345> brainvvash, ok yes, that's very helpful, thank you
[11:09] <brainvvash> great :)
[11:24] <xubuntu69> hi anyone can help me please
[11:24] <xubuntu69> i installed xubuntu , and i have some issue with my keybord and my mouse
[11:25] <xubuntu69> nothing can moove, it's the 1st boot
[11:28] <Tanya> Hello, anyone pls help. I have problem that my desktop split on 2 parts, second parts look lise windows lens, but without zoom. How can disable it? Didint find it in options
[11:30] <cfhowlett> Tanya, xubuntu doesn't have lens.  I suspect you are looking at the disabled assist enlargement.
[11:32] <Tanya> I try to find it control panel, but didnt find. But the second part about 30% of my screen and located at the bottom. and this part duplicate my screen
[11:33] <brainvvash> does a relog fix the problem?
[11:33] <Tanya> Nope
[11:34] <Tanya> Its look like option for disabled assit enlargement
[11:34] <cfhowlett> Tanya, system > accessibility
[11:34] <brainvvash> is the guest session affected too?
[11:38] <Tanya_> in guest session i have the same problem
[11:39] <cfhowlett> Tanya_, go to the xubuntu settings tab and check the accessibility options.
[11:39] <Tanya_> http://tinypic.com/r/2day2vm/8
[11:41] <user_> Hello all
[11:42] <user_> is this the right place for support questions and general help for xubuntu?
[11:42] <cfhowlett> user_, yes.
[11:42] <Tanya_> @cfhowlett I cant find this in setting tab:( can u say me how it looks like?
[11:43] <Tanya_> and did u see my photo of scren?
[11:43] <cfhowlett> Tanya_,  I did see.  wait 1 for my pic.
[11:45] <user_> thank you cf. how can i choose what icons to add to the icon tray on top right hand side
[11:45] <cfhowlett> Tanya_, http://tinypic.com/r/15chh6u/8
[11:46] <cfhowlett> user_, right click for optoins
[11:46] <cfhowlett> *options*
[11:48] <Tanya_> @cfhowlett. I have only mouse and keybord options in accessibility
[11:48] <user_> right click > panel > add new items but the item i want to add is a specific installed not default program which is not in the options
[11:48] <cfhowlett> user_, you can add a custom item to the panel
[11:49] <cfhowlett> Tanya_, logout / login for full assistive technologies
[11:49] <Tanya_> cfhowlett, thx
[11:49] <Tanya_> ill try it
[11:52] <user_> thanks cf i am looking for how to add a custom item.
[11:52] <cfhowlett> user_, happy2help!
[11:54] <Tanya> cf , it didnt help. i didnt get new options
[11:55] <Tanya> No hotkeys to disable it?
[11:59] <cfhowlett> Tanya, sorry, if my guess wasn't accurate, then your issue is a mystery to me.  ask again.  someone smarter than me will no doubt know.
[12:00] <user_> cf on my issue,i can see add new items and there is a search window when i click the plus sign but it will not bring up the icon for the program i am looking for (it was there before but i accidently removed it)
[12:01] <cfhowlett> user_, let me try my system
[12:02] <cfhowlett> user_, so Panel > add new item > and then ???
[12:02] <user_> and then i see the default options ,also can search for others but neither shows the option i am looking for
[12:04] <Tanya> Anyone pls help disable it !! http://tinypic.com/r/2day2vm/8
[12:05] <cfhowlett> user_, now I see what you're fighting with.  I don't see workaround yet ...
[12:05] <cfhowlett> user_, found it.
[12:05] <cfhowlett> user_, add new items > Launcher.  then edit the launcher for the program you want
[12:35] <john8cs> Hello guys. I want to make my xubuntu windows decoration not to have "rounded borders" . How can i do it? Thank you very much in advance :)))    ps. I know how to edit CSS , conf files etc, i just can't find where is this setting
[12:36] <brainvvash> john8cs, https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/xfwm4_theme
[12:37] <brainvvash> you either tweak your current theme or use another one which does not have rounded borders
[12:41] <john8cs> brainvvash: i am using "Iris" theme ( http://thevirtualdragon.deviantart.com/art/Iris-Light-Gtk-Theme-v1-7-428948909 ) but the top-left & top-right corners are rounded. I don't know where i can switch that to square. I edited all config files to "border-radius: 0;"
[12:43] <knome> john8cs, look under the xfwm directory, the borders aren't drawn by GTK definitions
[12:43] <john8cs> knome: where is that directory located at? thank you very much
[12:44] <knome> john8cs, under the theme directory
[12:44] <knome> eg. if you're looking at files in gtk-2.0 (or gtk-3.0), go to ../xfwm4
[12:46] <john8cs> well in /home/john/.themes/iris/  i can't find that dir.  i will look up on /usr/share/themes/
[12:46] <knome> john8cs, then it's possible that this theme isn't even controlling your window borders
[12:47] <knome> john8cs, what does settings manager -> window manager -> style say?
[12:47] <john8cs> knome: yeah. that's bad huh
[12:47] <knome> no it's not, it's the expected result...
[12:47] <knome> if it doesn't ship an xfwm4 theme, there's no way it can control the window borders...
[12:48] <john8cs> knome: in window manager it says that i am using the greybird theme
[12:48] <knome> right, then you need to edit the greybird window borders
[12:48] <john8cs> right :)
[12:48] <knome> or change to some other window manager theme that already has non-rounded corners
[12:49] <john8cs> i can see a "themerc" file in /usr/share/themes/Greybird/xfwm4/
[12:49] <john8cs> is that correct?
[12:49] <knome> john8cs, no, as i said, you'll need to edit the image files.
[12:50] <knome> john8cs, see top-left-* and top-right*
[12:51] <john8cs> grep -r "top-left-"  returns nothing
[12:51] <knome> john8cs, in the directory...
[12:51] <john8cs> aaaa knome yes
[12:51] <knome> john8cs, not in the file
[12:51] <knome> please read what i'm saying
[12:51] <john8cs> knome: sorry mate you are right, i found the image file
[12:52] <john8cs> knome: thank you very much!! :)))
[12:52] <knome> you're welcome
[12:54] <john8cs> knome: one last question. If i copy that xfwm4  to my .themes/iris , is it going to work? just not to break anything?
[12:54] <knome> it should work
[12:54] <john8cs> knome: great
[12:55] <knome> i'd create another theme folder for it
[12:55] <knome> to keep maintaining easy
[12:55] <knome> eg. ~/.themes/Greybird-modified
[12:59] <blb3383> 4.12 is about to be released,huh
[13:00] <blb3383> xfce 4.12 I mean
[13:04] <brainvvash> according to the mailing list, yes
[14:24] <xubuntu134> hey
[17:01] <Craxor> Okay, I am having a weird issue.  I am running Xubuntu 14.04 LTS.  My desktop is not loading.  The GUI works fine, but the desktop doesn't load.  As in it just shows my default wallpaper, no icons, and it is unresponsive.  It does not load after a while, it boots like this. Any suggestions?
[17:10] <bgardner> Craxor: Did you put anything in rc.local?  I've done that to myself.  Any entry there needs to terminate/fork or you get the behavior you described.
[17:14] <Craxor> I don't remember doing that, I'll give that a check
[17:48] <xubuntu69w> hello, i need help
[17:50] <xubuntu69w> anyone? i need help badly
[17:52] <xubuntu69w> ???
[17:52] <Adam_T> xubuntu69w: Hey, its usually easier if you go ahead and ask the question / state your problem. Then people that have ideas can jump into the chat and help out :)
[17:53] <xubuntu69w> oh ok sorry
[17:54] <Adam_T> no worries. It just helps the chat flow better. Whats the problem?
[17:55] <xubuntu69w> ok so i have a dell latitude d610(old laptop), i wanted to install xubuntu 14.02 LTS, but everytime i try and install ubuntu it gives me error 5/ errno 5...
[17:57] <xubuntu69w> i click to delete windows xp and to replace it with xubuntu, so now i have no os on my pc at all... ive download the .iso many times bit same problem
[18:02] <xubuntu69w> did i get disconnected?
[18:08] <xubuntu69w> i guess i got disconnected but heres my full question, i have a dell latitude d610(old laptop) that i wanna install xubuntu 14.04.02 LTS, everytime i try to install it i get Error5/ errno 5... also when i tryed to install it i click the delete windows xp and install xubuntu. so i now have no os working on my d610 please help(send help to my email if im not here @ bjefferson2012@gmail.com
[18:14] <spicypixel> any way to have the windows in a spanned taskbar across multiple monitors to have their application icon/title on the monitor they're on?
[18:14] <spicypixel> right now they're all bunched up on my primary monitor
[18:20] <xubuntu22w> hi anyone good with touch screen calibration ?
[18:21] <xubuntu22w> anyone here ?
[18:22] <xubuntu22w> does anyone know how to calibrate touch screen in xubuntu 14.04 ?
[18:25] <xubuntu02w> i have a problem
[18:25] <xubuntu46w> what is it ?
[18:25] <xubuntu02w> http://paulosserver.no-ip.org/xampp/ 403 error
[18:26] <xubuntu46w> sorry only new to xubuntu
[18:27] <xubuntu46w> have problem of my own !
[18:27] <xubuntu02w> sorry
[18:27] <xubuntu46w> cant make touch screen calibration permanent
[18:28] <xubuntu46w> really strange as have done it in ubuntu and the terminal gives out a string to paste into conf file to make it permanent
[18:28] <xubuntu46w> but xubuntu terminal does not do it for some reason ??
[18:29] <xubuntu46w> anyone got any ideas ?
[18:30] <Executioner> Is it possible to install Xubuntu (latest) alongside with Windows 8.1, while the system is completely in UEFI mode? including the partition table
[18:31] <Executioner> Also talking about a desktop, those oddly specific laptop drivers shouldn't be an issue
[18:33] <xubuntu68w> any knowledgeable xubuntu folks here ?
[18:33] <Executioner> In the #xubuntu channel? No. Not a single, by any chance.
[18:33] <Executioner>  /s
[18:34] <paddy_> hi
[18:35] <paddy_> anyone around to ask a question
[18:35] <genii> Better to just ask the channel in general and see if someone anwers
[18:35] <paddy_> k
[18:36] <paddy_> anyone know about calibrating touch screen in xubuntu
[18:36] <koegs> Executioner: i dont have experience with UEFI but i think it is possible
[18:36] <Executioner> Possibly working out of box with the installer?
[18:36] <paddy_> that for me executioner ?
[18:36] <Executioner> Also, is it now SSD friendly?
[18:36] <Executioner> paddy_: No
[18:36] <paddy_> k
[18:37] <paddy_> anyone know how to make calibration permanent ?
[18:37] <koegs> Executioner: i would take a look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[18:37] <koegs> and yes, it is "ssd friendly", whatever that means :D
[18:40] <paddy_> when i use xinput_calibrator with ubuntu the terminal spits out the results to edit the evdev conf file thus making it permanent but xubuntu terminal dosent do that so calibration is lost at log out
[18:41] <paddy_> any suggestions ?
[18:42] <Executioner> koegs: by the wiki (why google didn't shown it in the first results in the first place) it seems to be working, thanks
[18:42] <koegs> paddy_: you have to manually add the conifg, xinput_calibrator does not do that
[18:46] <koegs> paddy_: https://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-ubuntu-1204-touchscreen-calibration
[18:57] <paddy_> thnks koegs but terminal did it in ubuntu and linux mint, it gave you results to copy and paste into conf file but on this install of xubuntu it dosent do it
[18:58] <koegs> paddy_: it does not produce any output?
[19:00] <paddy_> no i used xinput_calibrator in both ubuntu and mint and once calibration is done the terminal opened up with readings to copy but nothing in xubuntu the cal window just closes and calibtration is only active as long as you are logged in
[19:01] <koegs> paddy_: did you try to open it from a terminal and see if the output is there?
[19:01] <paddy_> no hadnt thought of that i just downloaded it and used it via gui
[19:01] <paddy_> can you tell me how to open it in terminal /
[19:02] <koegs> open a terminal, type "xinput_calibrator", hit enter
[19:03] <paddy_> k
[19:03] <paddy_> yesss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[19:04] <paddy_> cool thanks mate, love xubuntu anyway but this will make it awsome indeed
[19:07] <paddy_> ah ! forgot how to edit ' no permission'
[19:07] <paddy_> how do i become root ?
[19:08] <paddy_> or edit a system file ?
[19:09] <paddy_> what do i type in terminal to edit a system file as root
[19:13] <elfy> paddy_: in newer releases there is a pkexec profile, so pkexec mousepad /path/to/file should work
[20:03] <Akusari> hi
[20:37] <Morrog> Good evening
[20:38] <Morrog> My desktop icons (Xubuntu 14.04.2) are against my panel (see http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=22479)
[20:38] <Morrog> the right side of that image is after i change the desktop icon size to 20 and then back to 48. this shows the desktop as it should be. but on reboots it always looks like the left side
[20:39] <Morrog> I cannot figure out where i could change it. Does anyone have an idea?
[20:50] <Morrog> Thank you in advance :-)
[20:56] <dka> hello folks ?
[20:56] <knome> hello.
[20:57] <Morrog> hello
[20:57] <dka> can i ask noob question
[20:57] <dka> ?
[20:57] <knome> please go ahead.
[20:57] <dka> see
[20:57] <dka> i have this IRQ problem somtimes and the mouse is in skipping motion
[20:57] <dka> VERY ANOYING
[20:57] <dka> IRQ error bla bla
[20:58] <dka> only reboot helps
[20:58] <dka> how can i fix this :X
[20:58] <dka> im not advanced linux user, i just enjoy xubuntu
[20:59] <tgm4883> Just upgraded from 14.04 to 14.10, I'm now greeted with a black screen. Looking at dmesg, I'm seeing some systemd-logind errors
[21:00] <Unit193> tgm4883: Do you ever see lightdm?  How about logs in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log?
[21:01] <tgm4883> Unit193: no, it just hits a black screen. I see plymouth for a short bit then nothing
[21:01] <dka> ...anyone on my IRQ error ?
[21:01] <tgm4883> That log shows some fatal io errors on x server :0.0
[21:03] <tgm4883> Unit193: luckily, I've still got internet access on that box, should anyone want me to pastebin some logs
[21:03] <Unit193> tgm4883: Right, so pre-lightdm, that's even more fun.  Can you also check the logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/lightdm/* ?
[21:04] <Unit193> tgm4883: Just to be clear, this is Xubuntu right? :P
[21:04] <tgm4883> Unit193: yes, I did an upgrade from 14.04.2 to 14.10
[21:04] <tgm4883> Xubuntu
[21:04] <tgm4883> 64-bit
[21:05] <tgm4883> and actually, I had installed 14.04.2 today from a clean install, so it's pretty vanilla
[21:07] <tgm4883> Unit193: hmm, Xorg.0.log shows it doesn't find any drivers, then no screens :/
[21:07] <Unit193> Figured I'd make sure it's not Myth.  So anything interesting in those logs?  logind could be the same errors I get which wouldn't be worth much, but if you want to pastebin them.
[21:07] <Unit193> Ah, well then.
[21:08] <tgm4883> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10377756/
[21:08] <Unit193> ...Did any xorg packages get removed on update? 0_o
[21:11] <Unit193> tgm4883: The upgrade should have made sure that and xubuntu-core were installed, can you confirm?
[21:11] <dka> come on folks - IRQ error before login causes skippy mouse :/
[21:12] <tgm4883> Unit193: no xubuntu-core
[21:12] <Unit193> tgm4883: Can you  apt-get install xubuntu-cre^  ?
[21:12] <tgm4883> yea just installed it
[21:13] <tgm4883> lightdm still fails to start
[21:13] <genii> dka: Perhaps consult https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingIRQProblems and report if anything there works or none of it
[21:16] <dka> 10q @genii
[21:20] <dka> anyone encountered this ??!
[21:23] <tgm4883> Unit193: I'm just going to reinstall from a USB
[21:23] <Unit193> tgm4883: Yeah sorry, can't think of what it might be right now. :/
[21:24] <tgm4883> Unit193: yea it's weird.
[22:13] <Jeez_> hi ppl
[22:15] <Jeez_> how to configure vidalia