[00:16] shadeslayer: welp had to put in ninjas due to rejects on 85% of them. evidently sitter uploaded 5.7.0 utopic with different contents and Riddell deleted it. [01:19] Which branch was vivid on for the muon-notifier? [07:19] good morning [07:40] ScottK: sitter: so I needed to rekick khtml autopkgtest, after which qtbase now finally migrated to release pocket [07:40] there were some problems in the autopkgtest infrastructure [07:44] \o/ [08:13] sitter: ping? [08:16] Mirv: Riddell: sitter: do you guys think we can get https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/106409/ in our packages? otherwise quassel crashes [08:16] Mirv: Riddell: sitter: do you guys think we can get https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/106400/ in our packages? otherwise konvesation disconnects because it thinks you're not connected (if using ethernet cable) [08:17] :O [08:17] my konversation isn't disconnecting [08:18] sitter: you're not on ethernet? [08:19] I am on ethernet [08:19] sitter: then you don't have wifi and ethernet? [08:19] ah, I see [08:19] the QNetworkConnectionManager still is not good [08:20] but basically the issue is: lots of stuff happens on start of the class that was missed because there's nothing connected to it [08:20] then the wifi backend found a network i was not connected disappeared and told the manager [08:20] then the manager said "wait there's no network at all, let's tell the app i'm disconnected" [08:21] if you don't have wifi, the manager will be happily empty and never report it's disconnected [08:21] tsdgeos: mm, I have joins/parts hidden and I guess you just joined? I was just explaining how my yesterday's landing now landed after kicking autopkgtests... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.4.0+dfsg-4ubuntu3 [08:21] that konversation patch of course would need a new landing [08:22] Mirv: i just joined yes [08:23] and being in networkmanager backend that will need actual testing, I marked yesterday's as "desktop only" so it was a quick one [08:23] tsdgeos: just LP bug please, it's nicer that way. do you think it has impact on phones? [08:23] I think it clearly could have, ie 3G + wifi [08:24] Mirv: it's code we are using in the phones but i don't think it has impact [08:24] but obviously testing helps [08:24] obviously [08:24] ok, i'll LP them [08:25] * sitter preps MR [08:26] 5.4.1 will be sooo outdated when it actually comes out [08:26] yeah :/ sad those bugfixes actually didn't make it to 5.4.1 [08:28] Riddell: is jenkins lying or does your prison not actually build? :P [08:30] So i just reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1424957 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1424960 [08:30] Launchpad bug 1424957 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Fix crash in quassel when hovering links" [Undecided,New] [08:30] Launchpad bug 1424960 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Fix konversation disconnected every now and then" [Undecided,New] [08:33] Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src-fixkonvi/+merge/250721 [08:33] tsdgeos: the quassel fix should have landed earlier today [08:34] should it? [08:34] oh right [08:34] i can't read [08:34] it's there on the changelog [08:35] i read it three times this mornning and didn't see it [08:35] i guess i need more orange juice :D [08:36] * sitter finds orange juice suspicous [08:36] Riddell: you also forgot wrapandsort... fixes in unstable branch [08:38] tsdgeos: :D [08:38] thanks tsdgeos + sitter [09:13] Good morning. [09:34] yay for Plasma 5.2.1 [09:41] true [09:41] do you also have that baloo_file uses 25% cpu all the time ? [09:43] and all the time KDEInit can't run '/usr/bin/ksysguard' [10:26] Riddell: would be good idea to post some info on G=/twitter about 5.2.1 for Vivid [10:27] *G+ [10:27] I don't know the status of it [10:27] sgclark uploaded much of it I think [10:27] has it compiled? [10:28] Riddell: oh so not all packages landed already in Vivid ? [10:28] she got blocked on a few by upload permissions and it looks like some need retries to finish them off compiling looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html [10:29] ok, i thought all are released already [10:32] upstream hasn't released it yet (and I should know cos it's next on my todo list to do so) [10:33] oh it's blocked on my prison changes [10:33] so my fault all over :) [10:33] prison ? [10:33] library so klipper can make barcodes out of stuff [10:34] nice name :) [11:12] ooh beta 1 [11:12] !testers | beta 1 candidates [11:12] beta 1 candidates: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31 for information [11:12] time flies @_@ [11:21] any with beta freeze in place I guess plasma 5.2.1 won't be getting out of -proposed soon [11:31] Riddell: The packageset permission issues are all fixed now. [11:31] ScottK: lovely thanks [11:46] sitter: hmm seems I did push the wrong version of the prison packaging to git, thanks for fixing [11:48] Riddell: but we have already come 5.2.1 packages in archive right ? [11:48] so why beta freeze migth block it ? [11:48] *some [11:48] some are in vivid and some are still in vivid-proposed [11:49] beta freeze will block moving from -proposed to vivid [11:49] Riddell: roger, so when they might be published ? [11:50] they'll be published in -proposed when they compile (plasma-workspace is compiling away now the rest will start when it's done) [11:50] they'll move to vivid after beta is out [11:51] Qt 5.4.1 is out [11:51] rebuild all the things :D [11:51] was about to say the same thing [11:51] hooray \o/ [11:51] new abi is it? [11:51] ah don't think so [11:52] just mean all the qt packages [11:53] Riddell: so isos with beta have to be released, than those packages can be moved to vivid ? [11:54] soee: yes [11:58] Riddell: i can test isos later at home after work [11:59] soee: lovely, thanks [12:14] Hiyas all [12:15] hiho BluesKaj [12:17] hey soee [12:17] Qt 5.4.1 \o/ [12:18] * mitya57 starts packaging it for Debian [12:20] mitya57++ [12:22] system monitor freezes the desktop including the VD pager, at least alt-tab gives access to the close button on system monitor and restores the pager etc [12:33] Mirv: what is the PPA/branch you used for 5.4.1 snapshot builds? [12:36] Mirv: ignore, found it, landing-012 [12:37] mitya57: yeah but I didn't really progress it with so far. but at least I've some symbol updates ready for the final 5.4.1 tarball. [12:38] so instead of forcing the version I thought now to simply start "normal" 5.4.1 test builds [12:39] oh, right, it's out, I'll start in a bit :) [12:41] and install files were updated too [12:42] looking for a site to download themes from that doesn't want your life history and your grandmother's maden name etc...what gives with kde-look ? [13:04] Mirv: btw in that PPA, adding QtNetwork/private/qssl_p.h to qtbase5-dev.install-common is wrong, as it is private header [13:13] mitya57: yeah, I already noticed, I'm committing soon a WIP commit [13:14] mitya57: or here it is currently http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10388936/ [13:15] oh, no, that's partial, a second [13:15] mitya57: this one http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10388944/ [13:19] Mirv: with the new simplified qtbase5-private-dev.install from Debian you don't need to edit it :P [13:21] And I've already committed the parts I need to Git, based on your previous changes & build logs. [13:23] sitter: do we have any images with Plasma 5.2.1 on them? [13:24] Riddell: friday's ISO? [13:24] why you ask? [13:28] sitter: for plasma 5.2,1 release announcement [13:29] sitter: so friday's iso is 5.2 not unstable plasma? [13:29] mitya57: oh, ok, I need to sync up a bit then, maybe after the first Debian upload [13:32] Mirv: I hope I'll be able to do "the first Debian upload" today, in worst case tomorrow [13:33] mitya57: great! and congrats for getting qtdeclarative out of NEW! [13:33] Riddell: oh true, that's unstable, we don't have one with 5.2 xD [13:33] Riddell: Thanks should go to ScottK, not me :) [13:34] Oh, sorry, this was for Mirv, not for Riddell [13:34] Riddell: also due to vivid transition and bluez5 not being available it's not trivial to roll one unfortunately. I can poke things if you feel it's useful though [13:35] sitter: no I'll just point to kubuntu daily [13:35] I wonder if fedora have anything [13:36] Riddell: dvratil might have a copr repo [13:39] mitya57: ok :) [13:40] thanks to ScottK then for getting qtdeclarative out of NEW [14:06] morning [14:06] gigo sgclark [14:06] wrr, hiho [14:07] hi everyone, is the the correct place to ask about a possible bug in Kubuntu 15.04? [14:07] ngaio: i think #kubuntu is for support [14:07] soee, for alpha versions of Kubuntu too? [14:08] ngaio: hmm probably no :) [14:08] so ask here i think [14:08] soee, okay! [14:09] the first problem I've noticed is that when I plug in a PTP class camera, nothing happens. Gudev is reporting the addition, gvfs-mount -l shows the camera, but nothing appears on the KDE desktop [14:09] depends if you want developers to make snarky remarks telling you to fix it :) [14:10] (but hopefully we wouldn't do that, being friendly and all) [14:10] Generally PTP was pretty much broken if you didn't use Digikam [14:10] I'm not sure how it is now [14:11] I see [14:11] the second problem is that an MTP device (my smartphone) is showing up in Dolphin, but it does not report to GVFS/GIO that it's mounted. Should it? [14:12] it doesn't mount it [14:12] Not sure, I'm using mtp with the kio-mtp and it works without any problems. Do MTP mount anyways? [14:12] I'm pretty much sure MTP is there to avoid mounting since some application could be moved to SD card and mounting it made them inaccessible [14:13] Riddell: PTP probably should be raised to plasma ... I am not certain that the kamera IO slave actually will display as an option in the device notifier when one plugs in a camera (what with the slave being kio4 still) [14:14] Quintasan: you can mount anything really [14:14] sitter, I want to do the equivalent of (1) monitoring when an MTP device has been virtually "mounted" by KDE and then (2) "unmount" it so libgphoto2 can access it [14:14] KIO slaves just don't do it, what with being inferior to the KIO concept [14:14] ngaio: there is no KDE software that mounts mtp devices I think [14:15] sitter, but there is a KDE process blocking libgphoto2 from accessing the MTP device [14:16] close dolphin? [14:16] I dunno, that's a support question really :P [14:16] sitter, okay! so it's expected behavior then [14:17] so to sum up: nothing should happen when a PTP device is inserted, and when an MTP device is inserted, KDE can work with it but it's never mounted [14:18] I have no clue if it is expected, it certainly doesn't sound optimal [14:19] sitter, thanks, I'll see if I can join an appropriate KDE mailing list and ask what is expected [14:20] plasma-devel or kdegraphics lists might be best [14:20] thanks [14:21] finally, only under KDE does this call fail from python: os.getlogin() [14:21] it should return the user name [14:21] instead I'm getting OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory [14:22] works here [14:22] python -c 'import os; print os.getlogin()' [14:22] me [14:25] Interesting. It definitely doesn't work here! [14:26] but it works when I login into the Unity session [14:34] sitter, should I file a bug report? [14:34] ubuntu-bug python I suppose [14:43] morning manchicken_ [14:43] Howdy [14:44] It spent last night getting muon to build. [14:46] I have too many things to do. [15:03] * Riddell gives manchicken_ a head massage [15:04] managed to install marble colour theme on Vivid. Copied the script from the download page to a textfile and named it marble.colors and imported into systems settings>colour. The downloader couldn't down load the .color file for some reason, but opened a page with a script instead. [15:31] ovidiu-florin: oor web server seems to be down, do you know anything about it? [15:37] "present a yet unspecified known hardware problem with your product exists." says the web interface [15:37] oh well [16:22] can somone tell what is so active in this room that it causes my cpu to jump to 100% usage on one core and not move or share the load with the other core ? [16:23] #konversation can [16:24] sitter , it's only in this room , the others I have loaded don't suffer from that kind of usage on the cpu, it's only about 10% [16:25] weird [17:06] hi again, I mentioned earlier that in a KDE session that this raises an exception: python -c 'import os; print os.getlogin()' [17:07] it turns out people have run up against this since at least 2002 - 13 years ago! [17:07] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-bugs-list/2002-July/012691.html [17:07] There a developer writes "This is not a Python bug. Python is just calling the platform getlogin(). On my Linux box, a C program that calls getlogin() reports exactly the same error." [17:08] I have no idea why it works under a Unity session and not KDE [17:34] <_Groo_> ngaio: do you have any errors in dmesg? might be a permissions or group problem [17:41] _Groo_, no message in dmesg [18:30] I have been testing 32-bit Vivid Beta RC1 (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89657/testcases) and I noticed something. If I boot (Virtual Machine or Netbook), and I get the sign-in panel (used to be LightDM) and just click the power button, it counts down, and keeps counting down to negative numbers. Can anybody try that? [18:45] mparillo: I have seen that before, don't recall what caused it. [18:46] TY sgclark: I am happy to raise a bug, but do you know if the sign-in panel is still LightDM? [18:46] Riddell: kdevelop has been in ninjas a few days and folks want it, at what point can we upload it, if ever. [18:46] mparillo: no, sddm [18:47] shadeslayer: can you remind me where I need to copy kf5 backport. [18:47] And sddm bugs are on B.K.O., not Launchpad, correct? [18:50] yeah [18:51] kdevelop 4.7.1 in ninjas needs !testers [18:51] that never works for me lol [18:59] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344538 [18:59] KDE bug 344538 in general "Boot to sddm; immediately select power off; countdown goes negative and never powers off" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [19:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu is available for your comments / fixing. I will update the bug list at least one more time. [19:51] where is thew beta 1 image ? the bootable image on the above url is still alpha1 and 2 [19:53] BluesKaj: I got my 32-bit one from: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89657/testcases [19:54] 64-bit: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89656/testcases [19:54] The links from the wiki will not be live until the Beta is announced. [19:55] iso.qa allways has the newest images ;) [19:56] But getting the daily would work too. [19:56] thanks mparillo [19:57] maybe the beta 1 will fix some annoyances I have with the present install [19:58] uhh [19:58] what the.. [19:58] or create new ones, but that's what testing is about :p [19:58] Anyone still on trusty? [20:01] Quintasan: I think I have my 14.04.2 still up. [20:01] 32-bit VMware image. [20:01] mparillo: Can you see what happens if you don't have package 'rar' installed and try to compress something to a RAR file? [20:02] Sure thing. Logging off Vivid. [20:02] I will ping you when on Trusty. [20:07] Quintasan: I am at a brand-new 14.04.2 VM. [20:07] So yeah, make sure the rar package is not installed and try compressing something with Ark to RAR [20:08] apt-cache policy rar? [20:08] Not really, sudo apt-get purge rar [20:08] Just make sure it's not installed [20:10] They both agree. policy returns Installed: (none) and purge returns Package 'rar' is not installed, so not removed [20:11] Now I have used Ark to uncompress something because dolphin calls Ark. [20:12] Try to compress something into a RAR archive [20:14] When I type ark filename into the konsole, I get Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address. and an ark GUI appeared, but it seemed to want to uncompress, not compress. [20:15] mparillo: No no, just use dolphin, Right click on something and use the context menus [20:15] Riddell: ping [20:15] Generally I want to see what will Ark do with the rar binary is not available and the user wants to compress something using RAR [20:17] OK, so I picked a small text file, right clicked, selected compress, picked the RAR option, and got a box titled Error - Ark with the message failed to locate program rar on disk. [20:19] Good [20:20] mparillo: Now make sure the package zip is uninstalled and try compressing something into a ZIP archivet this time [20:20] ok im zsyncing iso, will test amd64 [20:21] zip was Installed: 3.0-8. Purging now. [20:22] It said: Removing kubuntu-desktop (1.308.1.2) ... [20:24] yeah, gonna install beta 1 64bit image on this old amd pc, then later I may install it on the laptop. We'll see how it goes. [20:24] And Removing zip (3.0-8) ... Now from dolphin, it looks the same. Right click, Compress, Pick the As ZIP Archive, and it pops up a box titled Error - Ark with the message failed to locate program zip on disk. [20:24] Hmm [20:24] Strange [20:25] mparillo: Actually the behaviour is correct but it creates a tar.gz archive here instead of regular zip [20:25] mparillo: Thanks for testing that. [20:28] someone knows if teh window lag bug has been fixed in QT 5.4.1 ? [20:33] Quintasan: My pleasure. I wonder if it is that I have such a vanilla 14.04.2 [20:35] vanilla means (at least in the USA) plain, ordinary, not customized. Out-of-the-box. [20:35] vanilla ice cream is generally regarded as the most boring flavor. [20:38] mparillo: I do realise that :P [20:39] Generally I tried reproducing that on my machines and was able to [20:39] Your clean install actually makes me sure that something's wrong on my end [20:41] And I did not mean to insult you by my explanation. I just realized in a global channel that idioms are dangerous. [20:42] BTW, did I really remove kubuntu-desktop? [20:44] isos does not work with virtual box, problems with displaying [20:48] soee: Not at all? I did fine with Alpha 2 and Beta 1 on VMware Player (limited to 800x600 IIRC until I install the tools). [20:48] mparillo: i have fancy dancy colors only visible no normal screen :) [20:49] ill share a screen, one moment [20:49] BluesKaj: activities switching works nice in 5.2.1 :) [20:56] mparillo: after system reboot VB works :) [20:56] someone can post again link to isos ? [20:58] I got my 32-bit one from: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89657/testcases [20:58] 64-bit: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89656/testcases [20:58] mparillo: Yeah you did, it's just a meta-package to pull in everything kubuntu-related. [20:59] But once pulled in, I do not really need it? Unless I do a dist-upgrade (which I never do on an LTS anyway)? [20:59] wrr, VB broken again [21:00] soee: Usually when I complain about VMware Player, I get a 'use VirtualBox' reply. [21:03] mparillo, I tried kvm-qemu yesterday with Windows 7 as the guest and it ran fine,but windows networking didn't see any other pcs on LAN [21:06] must have mucked up the settings in viirt before installing [21:06] BluesKaj: I am backwards from you. On my Win7 work laptop, I run Kubuntu as a guest. VMware presents networking (even wireless) to the guest as wired eth0 [21:07] heh [21:08] correct me f im wrong but with Kubuntu thers no this ubiquity step: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89656/testcases/1303/results [21:08] iso just boots to live session in EN [21:08] right ? [21:19] soee: This is what I wrote in my test result: Note that I did not have to wait on the screen Press "Try Kubuntu" and wait for the Live session to start. Technically a bug, but I prefer skipping this screen. But, perhaps a non-English speaker would disagree as I was also not presented with the option to Select A Language. [21:19] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89657/testcases/1303/results [21:48] sgclark: I think kubuntu-ppa/ppa , but I'd recommend sending a email to kubuntu-devel to make sure [21:49] certainly not, that's the update ppa. Please never put backports there [21:53] hmm, not much difference from the previous install, the beta 1 has all the same annoying bugs as the alphas [21:56] clear as mud ;p [21:56] oh well, enough for one day, time to change to the boob toob ...see you tomorrow, I hope. [21:56] see yas [21:58] yofel: shadeslayer: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports ?? [21:58] sgclark: what release are we talking about? [21:58] yofel: but KF5 5.7 isn't a backport [21:58] it's meant to be SRU'd [21:58] yofel: ^ [21:59] it is in ninjas but needs to go somewher ewith more exposure to get tested [21:59] ok, so we're talking about the 5.7 SRU for utopic. Then /ppa is ok [21:59] cool thx [22:04] FWIW, you could put it into both /ppa and /next, as /next probably has more kf5 users than /ppa [22:15] yofel: actually next sounds like a better place.. for that reason, all we need is exposure [22:20] lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9103726 [23:12] * ahoneybun just found that you can install steam from the terminal