[02:45] <bluesabre> also unable to upload light-locker
[02:45] <bluesabre> Laney: Can you take a look at your convenience? :)
[10:11] <Laney> bluesabre: done
[10:11] <Laney> you had added a new 'core' seed which our script wasn't looking at
[10:11] <Laney> ochosi: fyi
[10:14] <Laney> elfy: ready to get freezy and imagey?
[10:29] <Laney> cron builds are off
[10:30] <Laney> spins spinning
[11:17] <apw> Laney, can i assume freeze blocks are in place?
[11:17] <Laney> that would be a safe assumption
[11:17] <apw> awsome, thanks
[11:18] <Laney> go forth and break vivid-proposed!
[11:18] <apw> :)
[11:23] <bluesabre> Laney: thanks!
[11:35] <bluesabre> Release team: With xfce 4.12 due to be released this weekend, the Xubuntu team would like to include it in vivid.  Since we've been carrying development versions of each component since 14.04, the releases will be largely bug fixes with a major version number bump.
[11:35] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1424887
[11:36] <bluesabre> Can we get an ack to include these latest versions?
[11:46] <ScottK> bluesabre: Approved.
[11:47] <bluesabre> ScottK: thanks!
[11:47] <bluesabre> Also, you're always awake :)
[11:47] <ScottK> Meh.  Sleep is for the weak.
[11:47] <bluesabre> :D
[12:02] <cjwatson> Laney: Would you have a minute to review/merge https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/britney/dynamic-arches/+merge/250462 for me?  I'd really like to be able to enable non-copying proposed-migration runs for precise.
[12:02] <cjwatson> Would let me cross that task entirely off my list.
[12:04] <Laney> cjwatson: Alright
[12:05] <Laney> Now what's it doing? Taking the original config file and substituting the list of arches to create a per series one
[12:11] <cjwatson> Laney: Right
[12:11] <cjwatson> I could make the whole thing be explicitly a template but it doesn't really matter
[12:11] <sil2100> Hello release team! We have an unity8 landing ready to be released, but one part of the changes in it might be considered a new 'feature'
[12:12] <sil2100> The developer says that partially it's a feature, but also fixes a bug when running on the desktop
[12:12] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/reveal-launcher-with-mouse-hover/+merge/248913
[12:12] <sil2100> Should we fill in an FFe for it, or can I publish it as it is?
[12:14] <ScottK> sil2100: It is a new feature that should have an FFe, but looking at the merge proposal, I'm willing to say "FFe granted" right now, so consider it done.
[12:44] <sil2100> ScottK: oh, thanks - would we need to fill in an FFe bug for it anyway, or can we simply let it in without a formal one?
[12:45] <Logan> sounds like you don't need to ;)
[12:47] <sil2100> o/
[13:02] <elfy> Laney: thanks :)
[13:11] <Laney> cjwatson: done - are you going to take care of enabling?
[13:13] <elfy> Laney: is there something awry with Mate for the Beta 1 ?
[13:14] <Laney> like what?
[13:14] <elfy> like it's not showing
[13:15] <Laney> hmm
[13:15] <Laney> it's still "(re-building)"
[13:15] <Laney> why might that be?
[13:16] <Laney> Invalid entry 'Ubuntu Mate Desktop amd64' for 'vivid'
[13:16] <Laney> Invalid entry 'Ubuntu Mate Desktop i386' for 'vivid'
[13:17] <elfy> no idea personally - though Mate is all new ofc
[13:19] <flexiondotorg> Laney, wish I could help. Ubuntu MATE was manually built yesterday and then via the nightlies.
[13:20] <cjwatson> Laney: Brilliant, thanks, and yes.
[13:20] <cjwatson> Laney: Oh it's just a case disagreement
[13:20] <Laney> Yes, fixed
[13:20] <cjwatson> You fixed it in cdimage?
[13:20] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-mate/+build/20690 etc
[13:21] <cjwatson> I think I'd have changed the tracker
[13:21] <cjwatson> But whatever :)
[13:22] <Laney> Yeah. Could have, but I'd already got to the file. :P
[13:26] <elfy> thanks Laney
[13:27] <elfy> disappearing again for a couple of hours
[14:58] <Laney> woot
[15:00] <cyphermox> yay
[15:04] <ogra_> wow
[15:04] <flexiondotorg> Laney, cyphermox Thanks!
[15:04] <flexiondotorg> I've been keeping a list of all that helped. You've all been great.
[15:20] <flexiondotorg> Laney, so I'm new at this. What happens now with Beta 1?
[15:20] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Is that it or is there time to test and fix?
[15:21] <Laney> flexiondotorg: There's time until Thursday afternoon-ish
[15:21] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Generally flavours do QA on the ISO tracker (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker)
[15:22] <Laney> Report any bugs you find there, fix any you consider critical (ones which bust the image)
[15:22] <flexiondotorg> Laney, and between now and then are the archives frozen?
[15:22] <Laney> Once you're happy, before the cut-off of late Thursday afternoon Europe time, mark it as ready on the tracker then it gets included in the release
[15:22] <flexiondotorg> For example, will nightlies effectively be Beta 1?
[15:23] <Laney> We freeze all of the packages which are on the flavours participating in the release
[15:23] <Laney> And turn off nightlies. Good point - if you need a fix in, you need to get the release team to unblock it and then you need to manually (via the ISO tracker) request a new image to be built.
[15:23] <flexiondotorg> What about seeds? Will germinate updates happen?
[15:23] <Laney> You should have access to do this for MATE via the tracker
[15:24] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I do.
[15:24] <Laney> If not, grab stgraber because I don't know how to set that up. :)
[15:24] <flexiondotorg> Tracker is up. Have 2 QA guys who know the ropes.
[15:24] <Laney> I think germinate happens from bzr checkouts
[15:24] <Laney> Just the meta package requires a real upload (AFAIK)
[15:25] <Laney> flexiondotorg: As far as we're concerned, be marked as ready by the time we want to release (people will start hassling you if you're not).
[15:26] <Laney> On your side, do whatever QA you want to be happy ticking that box.
[15:27] <Laney> You can add new test cases to the ISO tracker if you like - Ubuntu desktop has some if you want inspiration
[15:34] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, You know we discussed no-recommends earlier.
[15:35] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, There is an issue in that gnome-settings-daemon has been pulled in and Ubiquity is not using all the MATE gsettings.
[15:36] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Laney If I prepare updated seeds and meta package can they be uploaded ahead of Beta 1 release?
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Laney What else do I need to do other than prepare pages?
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> *packages?
[15:38] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Just update the seeds, any sponsor can generate the package themselves
[16:26] <bdmurray> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-archive-tools/autopkg-excuses/+merge/250795
[16:29] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've pushed changes to the seeds.
[16:29] <Laney> flexiondotorg: what's the address of the branch?
[16:29] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Would you sponsor generating the ubuntu-mate-meta package generation?
[16:30] <cjwatson> bdmurray: can you drop the release != 'trusty' bit?  duplicates the following test, and we should be able to get utopic too
[16:30] <flexiondotorg> Laney, lp:~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-mate.vivid
[16:31] <flexiondotorg> Laney, however this change also mean a little change to ubuntu-mate-artwork.
[16:31] <cjwatson> bdmurray: also seems like it would behave weirdly as pkg_excuses isn't initialised otherwise
[16:31] <flexiondotorg> Laney, how should I proceed with requesting a new package release for that?
[16:31] <cjwatson> oh in fact you just lose whole sections of the report otherwise don't you?
[16:31] <bdmurray> cjwatson: yeah, that was for testing removing!
[16:32] <Laney> flexiondotorg: who's your previous sponsor?
[16:32] <bdmurray> cjwatson: updated
[16:32] <cjwatson> bdmurray: should we show tests in progress too?
[16:32] <flexiondotorg> Laney, several.
[16:32] <cjwatson> if it's still in progress after the timeout there's something wrong, of course, but it seems like maybe it'd be good to see
[16:32] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Could you be helpful again?
[16:33] <Laney> Maybe one of those could do the needful
[16:33] <Laney> Otherwise I might be able to tomorrow
[16:33] <flexiondotorg> Laney, are you doing the meta package or shall I ask a sponsor to help with both?
[16:33] <Laney> I'll do meta
[16:33] <flexiondotorg> Laney, thanks.
[16:34] <bdmurray> cjwatson: okay, I'll have a look at in progress test support
[16:36] <cjwatson> I think it should be a one-liner
[16:36] <cjwatson> 'Test in progress' is the key
[16:40] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: hey, what with?
[16:41] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I new ubuntu-mate-artwork release please.
[16:42] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Are you aware that your meta package is blocking on mate-menu & mate-tweak?
[16:42] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: ok, just point me to the code and I'll sponsor
[16:43] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I realise that mate-menu (in the upload queue) and mate-tweak are missing.
[16:43] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Does that prevent making a new meta package?
[16:44] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Thanks - bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-artwork
[16:44] <cjwatson> Laney: germinate-update-metapackage should omit those since they're not in the archive
[16:45] <flexiondotorg> Laney, what is the authoritive bzr repo for ubuntu-mate-meta now?
[16:45] <Laney> cjwatson: Seems someone has configured ubuntu-mate-meta to use a PPA
[16:46] <cjwatson> *-meta aren't typically stored in bzr
[16:46] <flexiondotorg> Laney, because it has been uploaded with the old PPA references in it. Which I am more than happy to fix.
[16:46] <cjwatson> Laney: ugh, that should surely be ripped out now that it's in the archive
[16:46] <Laney> Yes
[16:47] <cjwatson> caja-actions too
[16:47] <Laney> That's gone in bzr
[16:47] <cjwatson> OK
[16:48] <flexiondotorg> I'm happy to do the PPA removal. Just seeking clarification which bzr repo is authritative for ubuntu-mate-meta now/
[16:48] <flexiondotorg> ?
[16:48] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: I did clarify that
[16:49] <cjwatson> You appear to have one historically, but I would recommend that the answer be "none"
[16:49] <cjwatson> They're a waste of effort for what's largely autogenerated
[16:50] <cjwatson> And since other *-meta don't have them, other developers are unlikely to remember to commit to them, so they'll become out of date
[16:50] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, OK. Are the meta package automatically regenerated?
[16:50] <cjwatson> The process of uploading *-meta is typically to run ./update and build a new source package
[16:51] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Understood.
[16:51] <cjwatson> Anyway, just my recommendation
[16:53] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: changelog in ubuntu-mate-artwork doesn't match what got uploaded before, could you please fix that?
[16:53] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Sure.
[16:53] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, It is a new version though.
[16:54] <cyphermox> yes
[16:54] <cyphermox> but we should keep track of the changelog as it gets uploaded, etc.
[16:54] <cyphermox> for example, you got ubuntu-meta-artwork 0.4.2ubuntu1 in the archive, it probably should just have been 0.4.2, and it's not at all in debian/changelog in the branch
[16:55] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Sorry. I see what you mean. One sec.
[16:58] <Laney> flexiondotorg: I can fix update.cfg directly and drop Vcs-* from debian/control if that's what you want
[16:59] <flexiondotorg> Laney, fine with me.
[16:59] <Laney> Okay
[17:01] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, ubuntu-mate-artwork should be good now.
[17:01] <cyphermox> alright
[17:08] <Laney> flexiondotorg: okay, uploaded, I guess you're going to want this in the beta?
[17:08] <Laney> ah, it's not blocked anwyay (because it isn't in release) - never mind
[17:09] <flexiondotorg> Laney, yes please. But, I'd also like ubuntu-mate-artwork in the archive is possible.
[17:09] <flexiondotorg> *if possible.
[17:09] <Laney> Let one of us know when that's uploaded
[17:37] <infinity> Laney: Hey, what's the story on Beta1?  Would you hate me if I slide a new kernel in from proposed (ie: are people pretty much guaranteed to still be respinning right now?)
[17:39] <Laney> infinity: I only know of MATE planning it, maybe elfy knows more
[17:40] <elfy> infinity: I don't know of anyone doing so
[17:40] <infinity> elfy: Okay, so at this point, the current images are RCs?
[17:41] <infinity> elfy: If so, I won't go breaking your freeze. :P
[17:41] <infinity> elfy: But let me know if I can slip that kernel in due to some other rebuild triggering event.
[17:41] <infinity> (ie: ubiquity bug causing the world to respin, whatever)
[17:41] <elfy> well I've got one atm
[17:42] <elfy> just need to check it in kvm and hardware
[17:42] <elfy> bug 1425047
[17:42] <elfy> bug 1425047
[17:44] <flexiondotorg> elfy, I'll take a look at #1425047 also
[17:46] <infinity> elfy: Curious.  The installation looks like it makes it all the way to the end (removes the live stuff, installs non-free and updates target), so I'd need more to go on than the description.
[17:47] <elfy> well I thought it might help to do that debug ubiquity business from the other night with cyphermox - so just doing that
[17:47] <elfy> sorting a usb to boot hardware from as well
[17:53] <cyphermox> elfy: what debug business?
[17:54] <elfy> cyphermox: sorry - didn't mean to ping you ... just the bug you fixed for us - using that knowledge I picked up :)
[17:54] <cyphermox> oh, I thought you meant you were working on some other fix
[17:55] <cyphermox> I see I just misparsed the sentence above
[17:58] <cjwatson> bdmurray: proposed-migration is on for precise now too.
[18:00] <mlankhorst> can someone accept libdrm / armhf ?
[18:04] <flexiondotorg> infinity, If you have the time please take a look at mate-tweak and mate-menu in the upload queue 😃
[18:06] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Getting there.
[18:07] <elfy> infinity: mmm so kvm just boots to a blank desktop here
[18:08] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks 😃
[18:14] <infinity> elfy: Blank destkop, as in the invisible ubiquity bug is back? :(
[18:14] <infinity> cyphermox: ^-- I think this is all you.
[18:15] <elfy> infinity: in kvm - possible I don't have it set up properly though - that's new to me
[18:15] <elfy> and hardware is not looking good either - just redoing that
[18:16] <elfy> I've added the debug logs from running aybe-ubiquity debug-ubiquity on this in vbox to the report
[18:17] <infinity> elfy: I don't use any of the pretty frontends, but if you have a disk image (ie: a massive empty file), you can just "kvm -hda disk.img -cdrom my-testing.iso" and it should give you something plausibly useful.
[18:17] <elfy> mmm - did something like that the other day and managed to fill / :p
[18:19] <infinity> Oh, also needs '-m 2048' or similar, since the default machine's memory size is STUPIDLY TINY.
[18:19] <elfy> :)
[18:21] <infinity> elfy: Grabbing your latest i386 ISO and running a test install in the background to see if I can reproduce that bug.
[18:27] <elfy> thanks
[18:30] <elfy> infinity: ok - seeing exactly the same on hardware here
[18:33] <cyphermox> infinity: doh
[18:36] <elfy> though - if you reboot - all of these appear to have installed
[18:47] <elfy> lubuntu appears to work
[18:47] <wxl> you're DARN tootin it works
[18:48] <elfy> well ... it installs :p
[18:48] <wxl> xubuntu doesn't?
[18:48] <elfy> kinda
[18:49] <wxl> hm i guess not huh
[18:49] <wxl> let me guess
[18:50] <wxl> (def var (fn
[18:50] <wxl> yeah see i was getting there :)
[18:50] <wxl> maybe
[18:50]  * wxl likes explicit
[18:51] <elfy> install with something else works from livesession - without livesession - appears to crash at the end
[18:51] <elfy> but it boots if you reboot
[18:51] <wxl> oh man
[18:51] <wxl> sorry for all the lispy b.s.
[18:51] <wxl> wrong channel
[18:51]  * wxl cries
[19:12] <infinity> elfy: +1 for Grumpy Cat being the avatar for the example user in your slideshow.
[19:14] <elfy> lol
[19:15] <cyphermox> elfy: so is ubiquity still busted?
[19:15] <cyphermox> looks fine to me with a one-shot very unscientific test in kvm ;)
[19:15] <elfy> cyphermox: right - boot to the menu - install not try
[19:16] <elfy> installs ok - then crashes seemingly - but boots fine
[19:16] <elfy> I've seen this happen 3 times in vbox, twice on hardware
[19:16] <infinity> elfy: Any specific options need to be picked, or just a default install?
[19:16] <elfy> just install rather than try
[19:16] <infinity> Oh, hrm.
[19:17] <infinity> Yeah, got to the end and the ubiquity window just went poof.
[19:17] <cyphermox> elfy: ah, but that's something quite different
[19:17] <elfy> installing from within the livesession - works
[19:17] <cyphermox> ok
[19:17] <elfy> cyphermox: than what?
[19:17] <cyphermox> elfy: than what I last fixed
[19:17] <cyphermox> do you have a bug report open?
[19:17] <infinity> cyphermox: After removing live stuff and setting up langpacks, etc, ubiquity seems to have just... Disappeared.
[19:17]  * cyphermox starts the install
[19:17] <elfy> cyphermox: oic - yea - I didn't say it was the same thing - blame infinity foir that :)
[19:17] <infinity> elfy: How do I get a terminal here?
[19:18] <elfy> in install rather than try you'd need vt1 or something
[19:18] <elfy> nothing available other than that
[19:18] <cyphermox> elfy: maybe we should put in a hook just so that it's a bit easier
[19:19] <cyphermox> ie. Super-T or Ctrl-Alt-T to open a terminal
[19:19] <elfy> cyphermox: bug 1425047
[19:19] <cyphermox> thanks
[19:19] <cyphermox> only manual or does entire disk do the same?
[19:19] <elfy> seemingly only manual
[19:20] <elfy> I'll check entire now
[19:20] <cyphermox> heh
[19:20] <cyphermox> here ubiquity doesn't show up :/
[19:21] <cyphermox> infinity: can't you right-click the desktop to get a menu in xubuntu ?
[19:21] <elfy> you can - but it's pointless
[19:22] <elfy> cyphermox: yea - no ubiquity
[19:22] <cyphermox> elfy: I didn't even get to start the installation
[19:22] <cyphermox> trying to open a terminal gets me a terminal, but way off-screen
[19:22] <cyphermox> ugh
[19:23] <infinity> cyphermox: entire disk blew up the same for me.
[19:23] <cyphermox> infinity: ok, that's what I hoped... I didn't want to come up with some weird partitioning scheme :)
[19:24] <infinity> And hah, you're right, the right-clicked terminal totally "works", it's just not anywhere I can see it.  It's running, though!
[19:24] <infinity> How amazingly unhandy.
[19:25] <bdmurray> cjwatson: ack
[19:25] <cyphermox> infinity: right side, hover the pointer near the edge and you'll see a different cursor
[19:25] <cyphermox> you can resize the terminal to get to it
[19:26] <cyphermox> (or anyway, I could)
[19:26] <infinity> cyphermox: So, ubiquity seems to still be running.  I imagine it's meant to be showing me a "hey you, I'm all done, wanna reboot?" dialog.  So maybe it's the same visibility issue in another spot.
[19:26] <cyphermox> I bet this is the same crap ubiquity was doing, so it's not fixed properly
[19:26] <cyphermox> infinity: likely
[19:26] <cyphermox> I bet none of it is visibility, it's all location on screen
[19:26] <cyphermox> that is, if you can get your terminal the way I suggested
[19:26] <infinity> Possibly, yes.
[19:26] <infinity> I can't find the terminal, it's lost forever. :P
[19:27] <cyphermox> nah
[19:27] <infinity> But alt-tab shows both ubiquity and the terminal hiding... Somewhere.
[19:27] <cyphermox> you don't see any weird white line near the edge of the screen?
[19:27] <infinity> And yes, the ubiquity window is titled "installation complete".
[19:27] <infinity> So, it's done, it's just off screen somewhere.  Or something.
[19:27] <cyphermox> yuck
[19:28] <cyphermox> infinity: you doing this in kvm?
[19:28] <infinity> cyphermox: Yeah.
[19:29] <cyphermox> ok
[19:30] <cyphermox> infinity: scratch the cursor part, it doesn't show up, but I can still drag from the higher half of the right side of the screen to resize a terminal window
[19:30] <infinity> It's starting to smell like an xfce or gtk bug, maybe.
[19:31] <infinity> Or, I guess, ubiquity-dm is setting up an incorrect workspace layout.
[19:32] <cyphermox> yeah
[19:32] <cyphermox> but there aren't multiple workspaces
[19:32] <cyphermox> or at least not that I can notice
[19:32] <elfy> just one as default
[19:32] <cyphermox> but the screen size is definitely wrong, things appear off-screen
[19:32] <infinity> Yeah, if I alt-tab to ubiquity, alt-space-m, I can move it on-screen.
[19:33] <cyphermox> same for desktop settings
[19:33] <infinity> The dialog's there, just not where it should be.
[19:34] <infinity> But given that every thing I start from the right-click menu has the same issue, it's not ubiquity doing this.  Though maybe ubiquity-dm.
[19:34] <cyphermox> yeah
[19:35] <cyphermox> less likely to be X, given that it doesn't appear to happen on non-xubuntu
[19:36] <cyphermox> though I wonder if it's not that kvm and virtualbox aren't exactly helping, I'm going to spend a bit of time testing this on hardware
[19:36] <infinity> Well, and not too likely to be xfce or gtk in general, per se, since the live session and installed system don't have the positioning issue.
[19:36] <infinity> So it's the "special" session we're setting up with u-dm that sucks.
[19:36] <cyphermox> hm, good point
[19:39] <elfy> so - basically - more than one thing going on here
[19:40] <infinity> elfy: Hopefully just the one thing, actually.  It's finding out what that thing is that might be a challenge. :P
[19:40] <elfy> :)
[19:40] <elfy> good job I drive a van for a living then ;)
[19:40] <cyphermox> usually bugs are fairly simple once you find what piece to change
[19:40] <cyphermox> xrandr reports the right screen size
[19:58] <cyphermox> elfy: do you know if _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS gets used for something special in xfce?
[19:59] <wxl> you guys having any issue with the various software center? this affects both lubuntu and ubuntu bug 1424362
[20:05] <elfy> cyphermox: I don't know the answer to that - I'll try and find out
[20:15] <elfy> wxl:  in my normal install usc is fine so is synaptic
[20:15] <wxl> interesting
[20:16] <wxl> wonder why this is affecting us trying to use it
[20:16]  * wxl scratches his head in wonder
[20:21] <elfy> synaptic works - and has a pkexec policy, the lubuntu tool fails for me - and the error makes me think that's the reason - can't see a policy for it
[20:22] <elfy> probably better suited to the quality channel perhaps *shrug*
[21:06] <bdmurray> cjwatson: merge-proposal updated now
[21:55] <flexiondotorg> Evening
[21:56] <flexiondotorg> Is there anyone in here who can kick off a new Beta 1 spin for Ubuntu MATE?
[21:56] <elfy> rebuild flexiondotorg ?
[21:56] <flexiondotorg> elfy, Yep.
[21:56] <elfy> you can do that - adjourn to -quality :)
[21:56] <flexiondotorg> Some changes have been made and new packages are now in the official archive.
[22:40] <ari-tczew> please delete julia (0.3.2-2ubuntu1~ppa0) vivid; from -proposed. it has been wrong uploaded to ubuntu instead of ppa. sorry.
[22:43] <infinity> ari-tczew: Done.
[23:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: sorry for not getting to your dynamic-arches branch; I had Friday brain by the time I looked at that one.  I see Laney has merged it now