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daftykinshttp://www.ebuyer.com/662872-acer-aspire-xc-115-desktop-pc-dt-svtek-00302:09
* daftykins chuckles02:09
diddledanis freedos a viable system these days then?02:23
zmoylan-1iit has kept getting better last i read up on it02:31
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daftykinsi just imagine there's some kind of rule about no OS on a fully assembled system 0o02:35
daftykinsdon't really know why they bother at all02:35
zmoylan-pibecause dell needs an os to update firmware :-)02:36
zmoylan-pihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeDOS#Commercial_uses02:36
zmoylan-piand when the nsa tries to infect your freedos system the additions to the config.sys and autoexec.bat stand out :-D02:37
mappsstrange eh03:40
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knightwisemorning08:49
SuperMattgood morning08:55
SuperMattglad the journald bug in vivid is fixed08:55
SuperMattI can actually boot my machine first time now08:55
knightwiseSuperMatt: what happened  ?08:57
diploMorning guys, does anyone here use any opensource projects type software ?09:03
diploAnd if so recommend anything09:03
popeywat?09:03
popeyproject management stuff?09:03
diploSorry wasn't expecting that quick a reply09:04
diplo:)09:04
diploSo I basically write web software currently but I never know what other team members are working on, we have a case management software but it doesn't do projects09:05
diploI want one of the administration girls to keep on top of the staff knowing what we are doing and where we are09:05
diploSo like percentage complete type thing09:05
davmor2Morning all09:06
diploMorning davmor2 :)09:08
popeydiplo: trello09:08
diploJust looking now thanks09:08
diplodavmor2, did you ever master Django ? I remember talking about it a while ago, just about to start playing again myself :)09:08
davmor2diplo: no, I understood the pythony bits however the html/css part that you need to build on top to be able to do anything kinda threw me and I had no time to look into that :)09:10
diploLooks like the sort of thing popey but not sure my company would use an external thing, like free and internal :/09:10
popeyshame, trello is awesome09:11
diplodavmor2, bootstrap and html5boilerplate make those things easier :)09:11
popeywe use it09:11
diploIt looks it! I'd use it09:11
diploI may just use it with the girl and me :)09:11
diploAnd not tell them09:11
davmor2trello ftw \o/09:18
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Single Tasking Day! :-D09:49
knightwiseJamesTait: sorry , i didn't catch that . too many windows open09:52
JamesTaitSince the weather has decided it's going to be one of *those* days today, I've decided not to try and keep up with it, and just dry the washing inside instead.09:53
JamesTaitThat means I can focus on my work. Single tasking ftw!09:53
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:07
* davmor2 todays single task is breaking anything JamesTait has written.....Task completed man what a short day that was10:44
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JamesTaitLike I need your help to break anything I've written, davmor2. ;)11:01
davmor2JamesTait: :D11:12
davmor2JamesTait: you're hello world scripts suck, 1: it says hello world and exits, surely as you exit you say goodbye. 2: My name isn't world, nor am I a world, so that is completely inappropriate. 3: So Goodbye person would be closer :D11:16
davmor2JamesTait: to be fair when I looked at your code and it started running I knew there might be an issue. I mean literally running I took ages for me to catch it, I needed to get in shape anyway :)11:27
JamesTaitIt has a life of its own.11:27
czajkowskialoha12:00
bashrctzag12:01
davmor2cz<tab>: how do12:03
czajkowskigood thanks12:03
czajkowskiworking here with popey and Dominic12:03
czajkowskihad yummy fresh scrambled eggs12:03
davmor2czajkowski: breaking up Easter Eggs and swapping bits with other peoples is not the same as scrambled you know that right ;)12:05
czajkowskidavmor2: well you don't say12:11
czajkowskifancy that :p12:11
davmor2czajkowski: :D12:12
awilkinsEgg muffins! Poached egg, toasted muffin, slice of prosciutto, blob of salsa.12:15
czajkowskigo outside lift hens, pick up eggs and scramble12:16
czajkowskiyummy12:16
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diddledanbit of geekiness for ya'll: * esmo (~esther@2001:67c:1560:a003:9103:7fab:aa7a:7dc4) has joined16:10
diddledan* ahayzen__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)16:10
diddledanerr16:11
diddledansilly16:11
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Az7Rez3Rk16:11
diddledanbetter16:11
ahayzen__o/16:11
diddledann0rty hexchat filling my clipboard when I accidentally select random text16:11
shaunooh good.  I don't get anywhere near enough geekiness around here :p16:11
diddledanlol16:12
zmoylan-piso i was looking at old pdas on amazon today... i miss proper pdas... :-)16:13
shaunoI have a bucket full I could probably send you :p16:13
shauno(okay, not that bad, but I do have 3 or 4 tungstens in a shoebox)16:13
shauno(protip: you don't miss them.  you're wearing rose-tinted glasses)16:14
zmoylan-pii have a tungsten e still here but it was never 100%16:14
diddledanneeds more electricity?16:14
awilkinsI'd love the design ethos of PalmOS on modern hardware16:14
diddledanI usually keep my devices at 100%16:14
zmoylan-pii mean the psions, the palm iiix, the visor neo16:14
awilkinsPalmIII16:14
zmoylan-pithe tungsten e was shipped with wonky speaker and broken todo button. shipped it back and it was repaired but was still iffy afterwards16:15
diddledantoto?16:15
diddledanisn't he a dog?16:15
zmoylan-pitodo, button to the right of up down rocker16:15
awilkinsPalm buttons ... erm, calendar, todo list, phone book and something else?16:17
zmoylan-pimemopad16:17
awilkinsThought so16:18
zmoylan-pii used memopad most16:18
diddledanteehee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6vLp07ZePY#t=43016:35
diddledanpoor david16:35
mappsdamn its so sunny here16:59
mappsmigh get a tan16:59
mappsheh16:59
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daftykinsaaah, very interesting to read that the next intel CPUs, codenamed skylake... ditch VGA at long last \o/21:23
diddledandaftykins, ?21:24
diddledanas in no more intel graphics at all?21:24
daftykinsnah they're just ditching VGA ports21:24
daftykinsso it'll be all digital here-on out21:24
shaunocompletely unrelated, yet shares 25% of those words ..21:27
shaunois there a sensible way to get vga into a machine these days?21:27
daftykinsinto :O21:27
shaunoyes21:28
daftykinsso, for capture?21:28
shaunothat sounds like a much more sensible word, yes :)21:28
daftykinsi've gotten very confused over what if any support for video in there is on modern cards21:28
daftykinsso no ideas here i'm afraid21:28
shaunoI want an imac, but if it's going to replace my existing monitor, I want to be able to display my amiga on it21:29
shaunowhich I think should be possible, but people just look at me funny21:30
grebuluspopey ping21:31
daftykinsshauno: super fancy 5K modern type? i'd bet they're riddled with digital ports only21:32
grebulusJust wondering where the compatibilty list for phones was on the wiki, that showed how far along progress was on phones' features ?21:32
grebulus.... well it used to be there .21:32
shaunoI dunno about 5k.  the regular ones take display-port in at least, the 5k doesn't21:33
grebulusAnyone, The Ubuntu Touch Compatability List is located ...... ?21:34
shaunothere appears to be an #ubuntu-touch  they may know better21:36
grebuluscrumbs, shouldn't be this hard.21:36
daftykinsi believe all the touch talk is quiet on freenode, so finding things out won't be easy for you no21:42
daftykinsshauno: hmm so some kinda active box to take in the VGA and spit it out into DP might be the plan21:42
shaunowell, I took a list on the logs host to see if it existed, and judging by the size of their logs, the touch channel is several times busier than this one21:43
daftykins:D21:43
daftykinsmust be all the #ubuntu people that are forwarded there telling porkies then21:44
daftykinsor maybe it's just the odd hours we keep21:44
diddledanodd hours? how very dare you!21:45
diddledanmorning, btw21:45
daftykins\o/21:45
shaunoor simply expectations.  I can imagine going from the main channel where the room flies by a mile a minute, to one where you have to ask and wait21:45
diddledanshauno, we have to wait, now?21:45
* diddledan waits21:45
* diddledan waits21:46
* diddledan waits21:46
diddledan:-p21:46
daftykinsdid i tease you all with the birthday cake i had on Saturday?21:47
diddledanapparently reddit thinks "that lesbian jewish leftists were taking over control of the site"21:47
daftykinsso many layers! https://www.dropbox.com/s/6wfui9s5ufehwh8/IMG_20150221_213750.jpg?dl=021:47
diddledandaftykins, :-o21:47
diddledanwow21:47
diddledanI want21:47
diddledanno, I need21:47
diddledanlots of icing too by the looks21:48
grebulus_How do I add fire to a bug ?21:48
diddledangrebulus_, matches?21:48
diddledangrebulus_, or a well-focused lens?21:48
grebulus_maturity , please . I'm not in the mood.21:48
daftykinsbad move in here, then21:49
daftykinsa Touch bug?21:49
diddledanspecially when I'm awake21:49
diddledan:-p21:49
grebulus_How do I add fire to a bug ?21:49
diddledanI don't even know what adding "fire" means21:49
daftykinsgrebulus_: you need to rewrite your question when you repeat it, since it wasn't clear the first time21:49
diddledanI'm assuming it means setting alight a critter21:49
daftykinsotherwise the definition of insanity applies21:49
grebulus_Alright, 'heat' , then.21:49
diddledanthat doesn't help21:50
shaunoif you're on launchpad, click on the 'flame' icon and it'll explain what it means and how its calculated21:50
diddledanoooooohhhhhh21:50
diddledan*penny.. drops*21:50
grebulus_I've done that, but how do I increase the 'heats' number ?21:50
diddledanclick the flame and it'll tell you what needs to happen to increase21:50
grebulus_k , hangon ..21:51
diddledane.g. new subscribers21:51
shaunoyeah, it seems quite difficult to "turn up the heat" yourself.  affecting more people seems to be the most obvious, and you're only one person21:52
diddledanI'm not. I'm three people!21:52
diddledanI'm the holy trinity21:53
diddledan(does that count as blasphemy?)21:53
shaunocheese, tomato and pepperoni?21:53
diddledanbingo21:53
daftykins:D21:53
diddledanham and pineapple is a good combo, too21:53
grebulus_still dont get it .. just says how it is calculating the scores - nothing 'bout how to increase the 'heat'.21:53
diddledangrebulus_, increasing the heat requires satisfying those conditions21:54
diddledanjee, the deductive logic is waning here21:54
shaunoeh, don't be mean, it's late21:54
diddledansorry, I forget where I am at times21:55
shauno<3 curtains21:55
daftykinswhat did curtains do this evening?21:55
shaunothey keep amazingstoke outside, allowing you to forget where you are21:55
grebulus_Ahh , done it .. apparently I'm an 'affected user' ... AFX , used to play that flight sim :)21:55
* grebulus_ is almost smug.21:56
daftykinsshauno: :D21:56
shaunothat's the idea.  subscribing to it, and marking that you're also affected, will bump it.  but only a smidge.  it's meant to guage how 'hot' it is overall, not just to you21:56
daftykinsso your bug is playing a flight sim on a phone?21:56
diddledanI'm failing to see the connection there21:56
diddledanaffected user.. used to play a random flight sim.. eh?21:57
grebulus_diddledan: Ay-eff-ex .. sounds like affected .21:57
daftykinsgrebulus_: you're not a rock dweller, are you?21:58
diddledanoic21:58
daftykins(Guern)21:58
grebulus_rock dweller ?21:58
daftykinsDonkey, crapaud, channel islander...21:58
shaunosee, that's funny because where I'm from, gurning is turning your face inside out as a competitive sport :)21:58
daftykins:D21:58
grebulus_Why are peple so concerned about who is talking | Opposed to what is actually being said ?21:58
diddledanshauno, yeah that's where I was going21:59
daftykinsgrebulus_: maybe you should dial back the strange paranoia. i am from Guernsey and so would find it interesting if another were around.21:59
grebulus_it's completely irrelevant, and you'll never benefit from my IP address , so don't bother.21:59
daftykins*sigh*21:59
diddledandaftykins, but paranoia is so random21:59
daftykinswhat the hell is wrong with you man? you think we're out to get you?21:59
daftykinsjesus, some people22:00
diddledandaftykins, 87.81.170.1022:00
diddledan(if my memory serves)22:00
diddledanwow I got it right first time22:00
grebulus_All I came on here was to ask for a table of the Touch compatability list progress .. sigh.22:01
diddledanyeah, we really aren't out to get you22:01
daftykinsyep then i tried to make conversation, i know not to bother trying in future :)22:01
diddledanhint, I'm a hermit22:02
grebulus_I enjoy a meta discussion, though.22:02
diddledan<-- looks like gollum22:02
diddledanI haven't seen sunlight in weeks22:02
diddledanso my chances of hunting someone down, successfully, are slim-to-none22:03
shaunookay.  gollum with a ginger beard.  I need eyewash now22:03
diddledan:-p22:03
grebulus_for example, For those who regularly dial in humblebundle: What success have you had with all those games on Ubuntu as a percentage ?22:04
daftykinsdiddledan: depends if you mean for food, sport or breeding i guess22:04
diddledanI've run out of storage spaces :-()22:04
shaunoreminds me, have you ever tried a flightsim on a laptop?  I'm trying to figure out how to concrete-fill my joystick :/22:04
daftykinsextra sticky blu-tack22:05
diddledanno more nails22:05
diddledansticks anything to anything22:05
daftykinspermanently.22:05
grebulus_...22:06
shaunoyeah.  I don't actually want to superglue my stick to my laptop22:06
daftykinsshame, i was looking forward to pics22:06
shaunooh22:07
shaunohttp://cl.ly/image/3H45252W2D2o3w1H2y0D22:07
diddledanerr22:07
daftykinsbut to answer the request from the one too paranoid to share their whereabouts: 1) don't run desktop ubuntu 2) only once sprung for a humble bundle 3) wouldn't try to play under Linux22:07
grebulus_k, fair well put points, there.22:08
daftykinsshauno: wow is that a wild shauno snap? i like the look of the thing that seems like an optical media trebuchet on the right 8D22:08
diddledandaftykins, how dare you suggest we not run ubuntu on desktop!22:09
daftykinsi feel you could launch ubuntu DVDs at people with that22:09
shaunolol22:09
grebulus_must be a drone hideout.22:09
shaunoon the right is a throttle thingie22:09
daftykins:D22:09
daftykinsaww i'm disappointed now22:09
diddledanoptical media trbuchet sounds awesome!22:10
shaunobut my problem is, the stick itself moves too easily.  which is a bit eek when you balance your precious on top22:10
diddledantrebuchet*22:10
ChloeWolfieGirlI... would love to see people just throwing ubuntu dvd's at people22:10
grebulus_HI ChloeWolfieGirl !22:10
ChloeWolfieGirlHey grebulus22:10
diddledanshauno, don't be silly, if you balance me on top I'd crush your steering thingy22:10
ChloeWolfieGirlHey grebulus_22:10
grebulus_.. got a few flying round, me does.22:10
diddledanwait, I'm not your precious anymore?22:11
shaunoyou never were.  we just tell your mom that to keep conversation interesting22:11
* diddledan pouts22:11
grebulus_just needs an oculus rift.22:11
intrbiznot sure what health and safety would have to say about just throwing dvds around, that could cause an injury22:12
grebulus_Aren't samsung or sony bringing out a £800 version of that this year ?22:12
diddledanintrbiz, what about pre-sharpening the edges?22:12
daftykinsboth samsung *and* sony have competing products22:13
diddledanthere's an oculus samsung that you put a galaxy note into22:13
shaunoisn't the rift owned by fb now?  that's a difficult choice.  which is the least evil?22:13
diddledanoculus note?22:13
intrbizdiddledan: becareful someone in the hse might collapse if you say things like that22:13
grebulus_those things are the only reason Blu-ray will sell more blank discs 'cos it takes ages to download content.22:13
daftykinsi dunno i did 6GB in 30 mins the other night, the times they are a-changin'22:14
diddledanmethinks bluray is pretty nearly dead these days22:14
intrbizyou can make a spectrometer using the difraction grating extracted by peeling a dvd in half22:14
shaunooh boy.  my boss was asking me what ISP I use, beause he gets absolutely fleeced22:14
shaunoit turns out that he lives so far outta town that his only option is "mobile broadband"22:15
daftykinslolz22:15
daftykinsi'd rather move than put up with that22:15
diddledano..m..g..22:15
diddledanthat really is bad22:15
grebulus_just waiting for google hangouts to get more interesting with them ;-)22:15
shaunoit is.  he pays 2/3rds of what I do, and has a 15GB cap22:15
diddledanyeah, mobile datacaps are evil22:16
shaunoand I get a "stern letter" from my isp if I go past 2TB/mo22:16
diddledanmy sabnzbd has a record of 1.1TB in the past two weeks22:17
grebulus_just think: you'll have to have a digital mask of your own face - bizare.22:17
ChloeWolfieGirlI'm annoyed that I can only have 500 minuets at top from giffgaff, I'm a teenager, like 500 minuets is gonna last 2 days xD22:17
shaunoI wonder if I still have the last one.  they're funny letters.  no threats, no demands, no charges, no caps.  they just remind me that it might be polite to leave some for everyone else22:17
daftykinsyou could make it last 2 days by communicating via more appropriate mediums instead \o/22:18
daftykinssuch as, smoke signals22:18
shaunodo people still use minutes?  I thought it was all thumbs now22:18
ChloeWolfieGirldaftykins If smoke signals could work between manchester and london that'd be where I'm at xD22:19
diddledanaye, internet ftw22:19
daftykinsi guess you could youtube the smoke signals22:19
shaunohm.  that would be pretty slow.  you could set manchester on fire, and it'd take 8 years for london to notice22:19
diddledanI don't care about minutes or texts on my mobile because I do everything via interweb22:19
diddledanshauno, we need a beacon system like when the spanish conquered us22:20
daftykinsstill need to pop along and adjust my monthly rate soon22:20
daftykinsbefore month end ideally22:20
intrbizit would be nice to get FTTC hear, but at the rate BT keep delaying the due date, its anyones guess22:20
diddledanthere's a "beacon hill" right near here22:20
shaunoI'm waitin until they'll buy me a new phone.  they keep calling me and trying to put me on a new contract22:20
shaunosure, I'll move to a new 2-year contract with nothing in return.  that sounds spiffy!22:21
diddledanthat's an excellent idea22:21
diddledanI wonder why nobody tried it before?22:22
daftykinshe died again ;_;22:24
diddledanok, so owners dying, connections being reset by peers. IRC really is a dangerous place22:24
daftykinssure is22:25
shaunoI suspect I'll just get my next phone directly from apple and avoid the whole locking thing.  messy.22:26
daftykinsapple phones :( you shock me, sir22:26
shaunoI know22:27
shaunobut they have one feature going for them that I haven't found on android yet22:27
daftykinswallet emptying?22:27
diddledanshauno, only one button?22:27
shaunothey work.22:27
shaunoI mean, you don't have to invalidate your warranty to get basic functionality.  that kinda jazz22:28
daftykinshrmm, what like?22:28
shaunoI think a slovak keyboard was the one that was really annoying22:29
daftykinsyou require a slovakian keyboard 0o22:29
shaunoquite often, sadly22:30
shaunobut most of this was things I ran into shopping for a phone for someone else22:30
shaunoand realising how much I take for granted, not being given half an OS and sent out into the wilds to find the other half22:30
daftykinsheh22:31
daftykinsi feel like finding the other keyboard would've just been buried in the settings, surely22:31
shaunoyou'd think22:32
daftykinsdecided to have a glance at Lollipop here on my Nexus 422:35
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/3staei9l9jag71x/Screenshot_2015-02-24-22-33-48.png?dl=022:35
daftykinsnope, close but no cigar...22:35
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/ufqkmbfepqzghaz/Screenshot_2015-02-24-22-34-15.png?dl=022:35
daftykinshuzzah!22:35
daftykinswell, maybe - don't really know if that's just display language22:36
shaunoand that's the image that came with the phone?22:36
daftykinsnah, many updates later22:36
shaunowe were finding stuff like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=228125422:38
daftykinsoh nasty22:39
daftykinsi guess it's evil companies, then22:39
daftykinsgiven mines a Nexus i'm kinda cheating22:39
shaunohilariously, even if we walked into phone stores in slovakia we were still finding phones that only did english/german/french/spanish22:40
daftykins;/22:41
daftykinsi think my Greek friend said that they basically adapted all chat to the english alphabet22:41
shaunoright22:42
shaunoor root your phone, and find humour in the fact that only people who have routed theirs can reply back in the same language22:42
shaunoor, yeah, buy a nexus, which seem to be some of the only ones that ship with the whole OS22:43
intrbizlooks like the Samsung S4 has the Slovencina keyboard22:44
daftykinsshauno: oh and you technically can't buy over here, because islanders aren't permitted22:47
* daftykins makes a rude gesture toward Google22:47
shaunoyeah, ireland's similar.  they'll sell us the nexus5 but not 622:49
daftykinsi get - Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet.22:50
daftykinsWe're working to bring devices to more countries as quickly as possible.22:50
daftykinsPlease check back again soon.22:50
daftykinstranslation: we refuse to deal with a country that we actually have to give tax back to22:50
shaunoI'm surprised they sell any here22:50
shaunoapparently there's some tax nonsense behind apple not having any physical stores here  lol22:51
daftykinssounds about right :D22:51
m0nkey_wait. don't apple assemble i<stuff> in Ireland?22:52
daftykinsi... doubt it?22:52
* daftykins points at China22:52
diddledandon't apple run their whole european stuff from ireland?22:52
shaunothey do have assembly here, and their em .. emiea? headquarters22:52
m0nkey_Last time I bought a MBP in the UK, it said "Assembled in Ireland"22:53
m0nkey_I remember it, because I thought it was odd.22:53
daftykinsoh really 0o22:53
m0nkey_Maybe it wasn't a MBP, think it was my old G5 iMac22:53
shaunoweird.  I've bought 2 mbp here, and they were both made in china  lol22:53
shaunobut I know they make the new imacs & mac pros here & in the US22:54
intrbizquite a few tech companies seem to be in Ireland, mainly for tax reasons22:54
daftykinsG5 hehe, quite some time ago then22:54
shaunobecause they don't want china to get their hands on their "stir welding" stuff22:54
m0nkey_yup.. https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ireland.jpg?w=704&h=20922:54
m0nkey_I'm guess Éire still has a large number of iSheeple?22:55
daftykinsXD22:56
shaunoit's mixed.  their tax junta isn't overly popular22:58
shaunobut the fact they're sticking a new datacenter a few miles down the road seems to have gone down well22:58
shaunoespecially since it's already been announced the tax loophole is being phased out.  it's quite nice to see them still investing after that news22:59
diddledanwhat exactly is the loophole?23:02
diddledanis there a wikipage?23:02
shaunothere is!23:02
shaunogoogle "double dutch irish sandwich"23:03
shauno:)23:03
daftykinscrikey23:04
shaunoI know.  isn't that just a fantastic collection of words23:04
daftykinshttps://goo.gl/maps/Aro7n23:04
daftykinsthere's my route planned for the morrow ;)23:05
intrbizIRRC the Irish Govt offered local tax breaks for the large tech companies setting up years back23:05
diddledanick been chilly23:31
diddledanthat's german, right?23:31
* diddledan wanders off to find a wooly23:32
intrbizich bin kalt23:34
diddledan.23:34
diddledansorry, rogue keypress23:35
intrbizhowever Mir ist kalt would be more correct23:36
diddledanI like my version :-p23:39
intrbiz:)23:39
intrbizdiddledan: I only know that phrase for listening to Rammstein now and then23:42
diddledanteehee23:42

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