[04:33] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[04:51] <mazal> barrydk: https://wiki.ubunu.com/mazal/pad 
[04:51] <mazal> My rtm werk tot dusver
[04:52] <mazal> typo
[04:52] <mazal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mazal/pad
[05:32] <Padroni> Hello all
[05:39] <Kilos> morning all
[05:42] <Padroni> morning
[05:43] <Padroni> having internet issues today :/
[05:43] <Kilos> ai!
[05:45] <Kilos> my telkom 4g is expensive but very stable so im happy
[05:48] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:48] <mazal> maaz seen superfly
[05:48] <Maaz> mazal: superfly was last seen 9 hours, 23 minutes and 41 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-02-23 12:25:05 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2015-02-06 23:33:36 PST
[05:49] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[05:50] <Kilos> mazal  he is very busy sorting stuff for debconf and openlp
[05:50] <Kilos> you should actually look at openlp
[05:51] <mazal> Kilos: I'm struggling with the mailing list
[05:51] <mazal> I'm not receiving mail , and did subscribe yesterday
[05:52] <Kilos> oh my
[05:52] <mazal> How or where can I see if my subscription is ok ?
[05:52] <Kilos> inetpro  should be able to point you to the right place
[05:53] <Kilos> actually send a mail to the list and ill see if i get it and reply
[05:54] <Kilos> ask in the mail where you can check why you arent getting mails
[05:54] <mazal> Kilos: I sent one about 5 minutes go
[05:54] <mazal> Barry got it , so sending is fine
[05:54] <Kilos> i got it
[05:54] <mazal> But I didn't get it , so looks like I'm not receiving from the list
[05:56] <Kilos> i just did a reply
[05:58] <mazal> Kilos: I went here : https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/ubuntu-za , I was able to log in and check my settings , and all seems fine ???
[05:59] <Kilos> look in your clients junk
[06:00] <Kilos> what client are you using
[06:01] <mazal> is not in junk
[06:01] <mazal> already checked
[06:01] <Kilos> also your gmail might be marking them as spam
[06:03] <mazal> not in spam folder either , received your replies though
[06:04] <Kilos> then gmail is getting replies
[06:08] <mazal> You replied to my personal addy yes ? Because nothing wrong with that , I get other mail as well , just mail from the mailing list I don't get
[06:10] <Kilos> i just sent meeting info to the list, see if you get it. also i sent to the list with your reply earlier, didnt barry see it ?
[06:11] <Kilos> the mailing list is quiet lately
[06:12] <Kilos> i also saw somewhere peeps were complaining about long signatures
[06:12] <mazal> Aha !!! That want went to "spam" folder
[06:13] <Kilos> do you see if i have a signature or is it plain
[06:14] <Kilos> i think its the bb signature that turned peeps against signatures
[06:16] <Kilos> gmail spams a lot of ubuntu mails, i check monthly, or more often when peeps ask why i dont reply
[06:17] <Kilos> Maaz  650/5
[06:17] <Maaz> Kilos: 130.0
[06:17] <Kilos> woot
[06:19] <mazal> No signature at all in your mail
[06:27] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[06:27] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:27] <Kilos> hi inetpro  yw always
[06:28] <inetpro> mazal: your own mail to the mailing list won't go back to yourself, I think
[06:28] <Kilos> some things i can do without it needing to be fixed
[06:28] <inetpro> the mailing list has gone rather quiet these days
[06:28] <Kilos> very no one needs help anymore
[06:28]  * Padroni is back
[06:29]  * inetpro likes mazal's scratchpad
[06:29] <Kilos> hehe
[06:29] <inetpro> wb Padroni
[06:29] <Padroni> hi inetpro
[06:29] <Padroni> hoe gaan dit?
[06:29] <Kilos> he has worked hard there
[06:29] <inetpro> good good
[06:29] <Kilos> goed dankie en daar?
[06:29] <Padroni> walked in with two fraud cases to work on
[06:29] <Padroni> hence me being so quiet this morning
[06:29] <Kilos> np Padroni  
[06:30] <Kilos> work first
[06:30] <Padroni> yes
[06:30] <Padroni> well
[06:30] <Kilos> after a good morning here of course
[06:30] <Padroni> I got a 4-screen setup
[06:30] <Padroni> only focus on 2 at a time though
[06:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:30] <Padroni> wait
[06:30] <Padroni> let me find a pic
[06:32] <Kilos> Padroni  welcome to our trello
[06:32] <Padroni> ty
[06:32] <Padroni> this is so funny: https://40.media.tumblr.com/7e35a8f209b381a0214b6e2314233dd9/tumblr_n7ti5uJ4mx1ss1xupo1_500.jpg
[06:32]  * Kilos still trying to work out what work to pass your way
[06:32] <Kilos> hehe
[06:33] <Padroni> https://41.media.tumblr.com/9b729e8da6516b3614e536860a83359e/tumblr_n7is5qDbFm1ss1xupo1_1280.jpg
[06:33] <Padroni> there's my desk
[06:33] <Padroni> well, my previous one
[06:33] <Kilos> second link?
[06:33] <Padroni> the monitor on the right has moved centre, above the 2nd one
[06:34] <Padroni> so 3 x 23" + 1 x 20" above it
[06:34] <Kilos> you getting as bad as Symmetria  
[06:34] <mazal> inetpro: I checked my settings , it is enabled that I get my own mail as well. But since then found it in my spam , that was the problem.
[06:34] <inetpro> mazal: ahh
[06:34] <mazal> Well , found Kilo's there anyway
[06:34] <Padroni> that pic is old though - was still running windoze on my desktop
[06:34] <Kilos> what
[06:35] <Kilos> so does he
[06:35] <mazal> inetpro: May I start work on fun on ubuntu sub page ?
[06:36] <Kilos> just remember everything there must work on buntu
[06:36] <mazal> I worked through the rtm , must be put into practice now
[06:37] <mazal> Kilos: It will
[06:37] <Kilos> cool
[06:38] <mazal> Oh btw Kilos , were you refering to that gaming_volgorde.txt list when you asked in the mail if I play all that on Ubuntu ?
[06:38] <Kilos> yes
[06:39] <mazal> Nope , that list is my Win 7 and PS3 gaming to-do list. Is just the first file I could grab during my learning. That one won't be used :P
[06:39] <Kilos> ok
[06:39] <mazal> That's the one singing " Dink jy darem nog aan my "
[06:39] <Kilos> lol
[06:40] <Kilos> no time for gaming, when there is so much to learn
[06:40] <mazal> ish
[06:40] <mazal> I enjoyed last night's learning , but eyes gave up on me and got tired eventually
[06:41] <mazal> To my surprise , I saw this morning I actually finished the rtm last night :)
[06:41] <Kilos> ya things get tough when you get older
[06:41] <mazal> Just the advanced stuff that will come with experience
[06:41] <Kilos> whats rtm?
[06:41] <mazal> read the manual
[06:42] <Kilos> oh ya haha
[06:43] <mazal> What is the "vote" button for on trello ? Is that just to indicate when someone likes something , or is there more to it ?
[06:43] <Kilos> if you think someone has done a good job i think
[06:45] <Padroni> somebody add a link to trello in the topic plz
[06:45] <Kilos> ohi superfly  have a good day sir
[06:45] <Padroni> so i can just click click click
[06:45] <superfly> hi Kilos, Padroni, mazal
[06:45] <Padroni> hey superfly
[06:45] <Padroni> 'sup man?
[06:45] <mazal> Morning superfly
[06:45] <Kilos> https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[06:46] <superfly> Padroni: too much
[06:46] <mazal> Kilos: Maybe we need that static somewhere , topic is a good idea like Padroni suggested
[06:47] <superfly> drowning a bit, but I'm learning to swim.
[06:47] <Padroni> manager tells me this morning he is busy coding something for work, as he has a lot of free time on his hands these days
[06:47] <Padroni> I'm like, Yeah, bitch, coz I am doing YOUR work too....
[06:48] <Kilos> lol
[06:48] <Kilos> thats how things work
[06:48] <Padroni> oh well
[06:48] <Padroni> I catch hackers and syndicates.
[06:48] <Padroni> So I am happy.
[06:51] <superfly> Padroni: I don't have that, we just have a lot of work to do, and not enough time to do it
[06:52] <Padroni> I would like to do one or two additional qualifications this year
[06:52] <Padroni> can't even begin to find the time to do it
[06:52] <Padroni> want to redo N+ and L+
[06:52] <Padroni> as well as a course on metasploit framework
[06:52] <Padroni> but alas - time
[06:52] <Padroni> did 5 x Oracle Linux certifications in 2013
[06:53] <Padroni> nothing last year
[06:53] <Padroni> nothing so far this year either :(
[06:54] <Kilos> they should ban the song, time is on my side, doesnt work for everyone
[07:04] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[07:04] <Padroni> hi nuvolari
[07:05] <Kilos> hi  nuvolari  
[07:05] <nuvolari> oh hi, pleased to meet you Padroni 
[07:05] <nuvolari> welcome
[07:05] <Padroni> likewise
[07:06] <Kilos> Padroni  nuvolari  is our meetings chairperson
[07:06] <Kilos> time also caught up with him
[07:10] <Padroni> jeez I almost walked into a trap...
[07:10] <Padroni> THANK YOU VPN...
[07:10] <Padroni> I need to get a tails box set up today still o.O
[07:20]  * Kilos waves to confluency
[07:21] <Kilos> barrydk  can jy daai thunderbird chat ding dooi?
[07:22] <barrydk> Hoekom ??? Kilos
[07:23] <Kilos> die ding sit hier bo met net n nommer 7YUAAFUPX  
[07:23] <Kilos> dan weet ek nie of dit n nuwe gas is nie
[07:25] <barrydk> Nou tevrede Kilos?
[07:25] <Kilos> dankie baie
[07:25] <barrydk> Groot plesier my vriend
[07:26] <Kilos> kom jy vanaand meeting toe?
[07:26] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:27] <barrydk> Sal probeer onthou
[07:27] <Kilos> lol
[07:27] <Kilos> ek sal probeer onthou om jou te herriner
[07:27] <mazal> I will be , weather , loadshedding and telkom permitting
[07:27] <Kilos> cool
[07:27] <barrydk> Jy moet eers by eksdom hoor of ons krag gaan he
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[07:28] <Kilos> ai! sit hulle weer vandag af?
[07:28] <barrydk> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:28] <barrydk> weet nie sien net dis af dan weet ek dis my beurt
[07:29]  * Padroni should install IRC on his ipad for tonight
[07:30] <Kilos> good plan
[07:31] <Kilos> i think im gonna be too tired to attend
[07:54] <Padroni> who owns ubuntu-za.org?
[07:55] <Padroni> ubuntu, or someone in the group?
[07:55] <Kilos> the fly methinks
[07:55] <Kilos> manages it anyway
[07:55] <Kilos> why?
[07:55] <Padroni> wondering why the bin is on a pvt domain, and not part of ubuntu-za.org
[07:56] <Padroni> like bin.ubuntu-za.org
[07:56] <Padroni> for example
[07:56] <Kilos> ?
[07:57] <Kilos> maybe for security reasons
[07:58] <Padroni> no
[07:58] <Padroni> can't be for that
[07:58] <Kilos> ok
[07:59] <Kilos> we can test your memory now . ask when debconf is past
[07:59] <Padroni> eh?
[08:00] <Padroni> 'when is debconf past' ?
[08:00] <Kilos> when it is over, its in ct  soon
[08:01] <Padroni> ok
[08:02] <Kilos> https://jonathancarter.org/2015/02/13/debconf-2016-to-be-hosted-in-cape-town/
[08:02] <Kilos> i can find the dates
[08:02] <Kilos> cant
[08:03] <charl> good morning
[08:03] <Kilos> hi charl  
[08:03] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:03] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:03]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:03] <Padroni> that should be fun
[08:03] <Padroni> hi charl
[08:04] <charl> hi Padroni 
[08:04] <charl> Kilos: this channel got busy in the last month ...
[08:04] <Kilos> yeah
[08:04] <Kilos> i wonder why
[08:04] <charl> for long it was a quiet watering hole now you have some activity going on here ...
[08:05] <charl> but that's a good thing
[08:05] <charl> how is the whole ubuntu africa thing coming along ?
[08:05] <Kilos> we are having a revival
[08:06] <Padroni> everytime I see a Joomla site
[08:06] <Padroni> I want to cry
[08:06] <Padroni> Coz I know I either need to fix it, or find a hack in it.
[08:06] <Padroni> If I see any of you wear a Joomla tshirt, I will punch you.
[08:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:07] <charl> i used to work on joomla but that was quite some time ago
[08:07] <charl> i can't believe anyone still uses it, i thought the project has met its end quite some time ago
[08:07] <charl> it was great at the time it was made but yes that was 7 or 8 years ago
[08:07] <charl> :(
[08:07] <Padroni> you will be greatly disappointed.
[08:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:07] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:07] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:07] <Padroni> like herpes, and genital warts, it is still going strong in 2015
[08:08] <charl> that is the problem once you introduce something out of there
[08:08] <charl> *out there
[08:08] <charl> then it becomes impossible to call back
[08:14] <superfly> Padroni: DebConf16 will be in the first 2-3 weeks of July
[08:15] <Padroni> I may need to sell one of my kids for a ticket
[08:15] <Padroni> but 
[08:15] <Padroni> in my defense
[08:15] <Padroni> I have prepared them that due to the economic situation, we may need to let one of them go anyway
[08:15] <Padroni> so it won't be that big a shock to the youngster...
[08:15] <superfly> I don't know how much it'll cost. I'll definitely be spreading the word closer to the time
[08:24] <Padroni> http://www.lamebook.com/the-future/
[08:53] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[08:53] <magellanic> heya
[09:10] <Padroni> hi
[09:10] <Padroni> I am signing off here for now
[09:10] <Padroni> need to boot into Kali
[09:10] <Padroni> later, folks.
[09:35] <magellanic> kali takes so long to boot?
[09:35] <Kilos> lol
[09:37] <Kilos> so barrydk  what do you think of kde?
[09:37] <Kilos> the next one is better they say
[09:38] <Kilos> even better
[09:40] <magellanic> after cinnamon, not bothered to try gnome or kde anymore
[09:40] <Kilos> lol
[09:40] <Kilos> i love kde
[09:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:42]  * Kilos goes to look for magellanic   on trello
[09:44] <magellanic> still at it hey
[09:44] <Kilos> hmm... ducking the work it seems
[09:44] <Kilos> lol
[09:45] <magellanic> I come here for leisure not work ;)
[09:45] <Kilos> thats why trello is seperate from here
[09:45] <Kilos> blame the pro not me
[09:47] <Kilos> even neelsie is hiding
[09:50] <magellanic> which pro?
[09:51] <Kilos> THE pro
[09:51] <Kilos> Mr. fixit
[09:51] <magellanic> superfly?
[09:51] <Kilos> inetpro  
[09:52] <magellanic> oh right
[09:52] <Kilos> fly is the next step
[09:52] <Kilos> then the weed
[09:53] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/inetpro#preview
[09:53] <Kilos> he has 5 days to get ready for his membership application too
[09:53] <Kilos> whew
[09:55] <magellanic> sounds intense
[09:55] <Kilos> lol i stressed for 2 months i think it was
[09:56] <Kilos> easier to become a ubuntu-za member, no testimonials needed
[09:57]  * inetpro feeling a disturbance in the force
[09:57] <Kilos> lol
[09:57] <inetpro> what's up doc?
[09:57] <Kilos> sdame old, different day
[09:57] <Kilos> same too
[09:59] <inetpro> ai!
[09:59] <Kilos> looking for a way past them things 
[10:00] <Kilos> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2886278/how-to-remove-the-dangerous-superfish-adware-presintalled-on-lenovo-pcs.html
[10:00] <Kilos> but that runs a video and no stop button
[10:01] <Kilos> videos waste my data
[10:07] <magespawn> good day
[10:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[10:29] <Kilos> inetpro  nidge G+ with its meeting reminder please
[10:29] <Kilos> nudge
[10:30] <inetpro> uh, why?
[10:30] <Kilos> then we have all bases covered
[10:30] <Kilos> then if peeps dont come its because they are bang to get involved
[10:32] <inetpro> Kilos: it's automagic on g+
[10:32] <inetpro> no need to touch that once a event is registered
[10:32] <Kilos> well lets see if it reminds today
[10:33] <Kilos> it gave early warning
[10:33] <inetpro> "an event" as well, I think
[10:34] <inetpro> Kilos: don't overdo it
[10:35] <inetpro> people will come if there is value in it
[10:38] <mazal> Kilos: I started :)
[10:39] <Kilos> value in what?
[10:39] <Kilos> mazal  started what?
[10:39] <mazal> Kilos: framework for my "to-fo" page is going up
[10:39] <Kilos> cool
[10:39] <Kilos> whatever that is
[10:39] <mazal> "to-do" even shees I need to learn to spell
[10:40] <Kilos> lol
[10:40] <Kilos> oh the to-do
[10:40] <mazal> Kilos: Don't you check trello lol
[10:40] <Kilos> i was just looking there its kinda full
[10:42] <mazal> I have 1 that's my responsibility
[10:42] <Kilos> lol
[10:42] <mazal> The Fun on ubuntu one
[10:42] <mazal> Trust the gamer with that !!! hehehehe :)
[10:42] <Kilos> ok
[10:46] <Kilos> inetpro  i see space in topic bar for the pasteboard thing
[10:59] <Jacques_Stry> Hey all
[11:00] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[11:01] <Jacques_Stry> Have you guys seen the ubuntu wireless mouse?
[11:01] <Kilos> nope
[11:01] <Kilos> not me
[11:01] <Jacques_Stry> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1177
[11:01] <Jacques_Stry> Looks pretty cool albeit like the mac mouse
[11:02] <Kilos> easier to plug in a usb or ps2 mouse for me
[11:02] <Kilos> nothing extra to think about
[11:03] <Jacques_Stry> All my mice wireless but the batteries last about a year so not a problem
[11:03] <Kilos> whew
[11:07] <Jacques_Stry> Think i'm gonna get me one
[11:07] <Kilos> hehe
[11:08] <Jacques_Stry> Any of you bought something from the store? 
[11:10] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[11:12] <SDCDev> hey kilos
[11:24] <mazal> barrydk added to trello group
[11:24] <Kilos> lol
[11:24] <Kilos> make him work
[11:24] <mazal> Gee hom werk oom
[11:25] <mazal> snap !!
[11:25] <Kilos> haha
[11:25] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  arent you going to join our trello page?
[11:27] <Jacques_Stry> I'll create a account, work - work :)
[11:27] <Kilos> lol
[11:28] <Jacques_Stry> @jacquesstrydom1
[11:30] <Kilos> mazal  you know how to add peeps
[11:33] <Jacques_Stry> I'm on, thx
[11:33] <Kilos> cool
[11:34] <Jacques_Stry> You guys have been busy
[11:34] <Kilos> yeah
[11:39] <Kilos> the pro lets none of us rest
[11:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:43] <Jacques_Stry> mmm...?
[11:46] <Kilos> [24/02/2015 13:41] [Error] ÖoÔJñ|¿S%\Û¢3ôn{ WHO: Unknown command.
[11:46] <Kilos> i wasnt even near the pc so its not me
[11:46] <magellanic> expensive mouse..
[11:46] <magellanic> would like the t-shrit though, http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1106
[11:47] <Kilos> haha
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> yep
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> but like this one more: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1095
[11:50] <magellanic> ooh, the mug looks nice, http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1127
[11:54] <Jacques_Stry> Wonder what service they use for shipping and postage
[11:56] <magellanic> SA post office?
[11:57] <Jacques_Stry> O hell no
[11:57] <magellanic> :D
[11:57] <Kilos> haha
[11:57] <Kilos> hi drussel
[11:57] <Jacques_Stry> I would get a heart attack - cause they would definitely loose my package...
[12:26] <Jacques_Stry> see you guys again in about 30min
[12:47] <magespawn> right, chat later, see you all at the meeting
[12:50] <mazal> Bye everyone , see later
[12:51] <Jacques_Stry> Bye
[13:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:52] <Kilos> Maaz  announce Meeting here tonight at 20.30
[13:52] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting here tonight at 20.30
[13:53] <superfly> Kilos: if you've got Linux, you're safe from Superfish
[13:53] <Kilos> what about the thing the nsa puts into your firmware superfly  ?
[13:54] <Kilos> but ty for that info
[13:54] <magellanic> ah nice
[13:54] <Kilos> my seagate 1TB might have that in
[13:55] <magellanic> sailfish or whatever, was an adware thing on the OS I think
[13:55] <Kilos> aha
[13:56] <Kilos> my goed is my goed, only invited peeps can come here
[14:00] <Kilos> wb SDCDev  meeting here tonight hey
[14:04] <magellanic> wonder how much in sales lenovo lost due to this
[14:06] <Kilos> ya
[14:11] <Kilos> wb Padroni  
[14:11] <Kilos> that kali thing is slow hey
[14:11] <Padroni> Hi
[14:11] <Padroni> well
[14:11] <Kilos> lol
[14:11] <Padroni> stuck at <grub repair>
[14:12] <Padroni> so my R22k laptop is nou essentially a broken toy
[14:12] <Kilos> nono
[14:12] <Padroni> busy working on it though
[14:12] <Kilos> fix it
[14:12] <Kilos> easy fix
[14:12] <Padroni> I am busy, mate
[14:13] <Padroni> reinstalling though
[14:13] <Padroni> so when this is done, will see what it does
[14:13] <Kilos> ai!
[14:13] <Kilos> boot-repair fixes that prob man
[14:13] <Padroni> it is quite possible that Kali screwed up during install
[14:14] <Padroni> I have seen this before
[14:14] <Kilos> then you should keep boot-repair on hand
[14:15] <Kilos> boot from live dvd or stick and install and run boot-repair
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> or even better, learn to fix grub issues on your own
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've never even heard of boot-repair
[14:15] <Kilos> lol
[14:16] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[14:17] <Padroni> I am doing it on my own, ThatGraemeGuy 
[14:17] <Padroni> Thank you, though.
[14:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh i thought you're re-installing the o/s
[14:18] <Padroni> I did
[14:18] <Padroni> changed the partitioning on the hd it is on
[14:18] <Padroni> still gives the same error
[14:18] <Padroni> So now I am going to fix it.
[14:26] <magellanic> 22k laptop, it should repair itself at that cost ;)
[14:26] <Kilos> lol
[14:26] <Kilos> what do new lenovos cost
[14:27] <Padroni> lol - true that @ self-repair
[14:27] <Padroni> I have a Roccat XMG
[14:27] <Kilos> i had that <grub repair> often and used to reinstall everytime
[14:28] <Kilos> boot-repair sorted that
[14:29] <magellanic> Kilos: new lenovos cost you your data :P
[14:29] <Padroni> http://www.laptopdirect.co.za/laptop-specification-sheet.php?laptop=71154
[14:29] <Padroni> I wouldn't even touch a lenovo with a pirated Win8 at this point
[14:30] <magellanic> lol
[14:30] <Padroni> right
[14:30] <Padroni> let's see if this worked then
[14:34] <Kilos> as long as you can irc from some other toy so you can be at the meeting all is ok
[14:35] <Kilos> thats a larny lappy Padroni  
[14:43] <Kilos> maybe its cross because you didnt game enough
[14:43] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[14:43] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[14:43] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry  
[14:44] <Kilos> oi
[14:51] <Jacques_Stry> Sorry was afk
[14:51] <Kilos> np
[14:51] <Padroni> nope
[14:51] <Padroni> not working
[14:52] <Kilos> ai!
[14:52] <Kilos> whats not working?
[14:52] <Padroni> grub
[14:52] <Padroni> I am getting the feeling grub is not installing for some reason
[14:52] <Kilos> i thought you reinstalled
[14:52] <Padroni> which is odd - as I had Ubuntu on that same harddrive before wiping it for Kali
[14:53] <Kilos> try boot-repair
[14:54] <Kilos> now dont tell me you just did
[14:57] <Padroni> oops
[14:57] <Padroni> closed the wrong terminal
[15:05] <Padroni> Right - I am off for a beer
[15:05] <Padroni> see you guys later
[15:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: is status.bitbucket.org up?
[15:41] <Maaz> nuvolari: Yes, http://status.bitbucket.org/ is up
[15:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: is it working?
[15:42] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[15:42] <nuvolari> yes
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[16:33] <Kilos> hee hee
[16:37] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[16:37] <Kilos> ai!
[16:37] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[16:37] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[16:37] <magellanic> hmm
[16:38] <Kilos> i shoulda said oops
[16:38] <magellanic> next time I'll put you on ignore :P
[16:39] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:40] <magellanic> ;)
[16:40] <Kilos> :D
[16:40] <Kilos> i thought you hade put me on ignore already because i dont see you on trello
[16:41]  * Kilos hides
[16:42]  * Squirm looks around
[16:42] <Squirm> Meh - Still at work
[16:42] <Squirm> Almost home time I hope
[16:42] <Kilos> whew 
[16:42] <Kilos> meeting at 20.30 Squirm  
[16:42] <Squirm> Won't make it Kilos
[16:43] <Kilos> aw
[16:43] <Kilos> ok ill give your excuse
[16:43] <magellanic> oh I see, trello defines ignorance then
[16:43] <Kilos> excuse me thing
[16:43] <Kilos> hahaha nice try
[16:44] <magellanic> I'll try and make it, agenda sounds propagandish though :p
[16:44] <magellanic> esp the "goals for 2015" parts
[16:44] <Kilos> lol
[16:45] <Kilos> that was added especially for you
[16:45] <Kilos> feel honoured
[16:45] <magellanic> lol
[16:46] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[16:46] <barrydk> hi Kilos
[16:55] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[16:55] <Tonberry> hi
[16:56] <charl> good evening
[16:56] <Kilos> hi charl  
[16:56] <charl> hey Kilos 
[16:56] <charl> whow busy day today
[16:56]  * charl is tired now
[16:57] <Squirm> So am I
[16:57] <Squirm> Going to be one hell of a week
[16:58] <captine> evening all
[16:59] <Kilos> hi captine  
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[16:59] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[17:12] <inetpro> good morning 
[17:15] <charl> hey inetpro, just got up ?
[17:17] <inetpro> charl: sure feels like it, still a long way to go till the end of the day 
[17:18] <inetpro> actually very tired, to be honest 
[17:18] <inetpro> but that's me anyway 
[17:23] <Kilos> haha its because you havent woken up yet inetpro  
[17:23] <Kilos> have a cold shower
[17:24] <inetpro> maybe 
[17:24] <Kilos> nice mail you sent to the list
[17:24] <inetpro> ty Kilos 
[17:25] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe your other buddies will join us now? 
[17:25] <inetpro> wb captine 
[17:26] <nuvolari> o.O
[17:26] <nuvolari> hoe laat is die meeting? 20:30?
[17:26] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  
[17:26] <Kilos> ja
[17:26]  * nuvolari maak gou kos
[17:26] <nuvolari> okei
[17:29]  * Kilos needs to rest a bit. all these tired peeps are affecting me
[17:29] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[17:29] <mazal> naand oom
[17:29] <mazal> I hope I will be here later , just seen an Eskom truck go past :(
[17:30] <Kilos> ai!
[17:31] <Kilos> haha inetpro  high hopes
[17:34] <Kilos> who is that guy from dbnlug that comes here sometimes?
[17:34] <inetpro> confluency: you been very quiet, you joining us later? 
[17:34] <confluency> Probably not; I need to work. I may look in.
[17:35] <confluency> I'm happy to help answer technical questions in the channel, but I'm afraid I won't be able to devote much time to organisational stuff any time soon.\
[17:35] <Kilos> np. just having you back is good
[17:39] <captine> confluency, what line of work are you in?
[17:40] <confluency> I'm trying to finish my masters thesis.
[17:40] <barrydk> Ha bet you thought it was my turn
[17:40] <captine> wow
[17:42] <Kilos> aw the mag    guys are gone
[17:44] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd  
[17:45] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos, hi all. just lurking till the meeting
[17:45] <Kilos> cool
[17:45] <andrewlsd> ... and busy installing Zentyal 4, to test it as AD domain controller.
[17:51] <captine> andrewlsd, sounds good.  do let us know how it goes
[17:51] <captine> and how it compares with Windows Server 2012, if possible :_)
[17:52] <captine> andrewlsd, does the lsd at the end of your nick stand for anything?  learnt about a company today -- lsd.co.za
[17:52] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[17:53] <magespawn> ty Kilos, moved the multiplug and the laptop was not plugged in properly
[17:53] <Kilos> lol
[17:53] <Kilos> them 2 pins suck
[17:53] <andrewlsd> captine, that is what it is for.
[17:53] <magespawn> and zero battery life on this one
[17:54] <captine> andrewlsd, great.  i sent them a mail today :). I see lsd is part of the group that has innobits in it... innobits do our server management..
[17:54] <captine> sent it to our IT guys... need some more linux in our datacentre
[17:55] <Jacques_Stry> andrewlsd: Plz do let know - would like to know how it handles active directory
[17:55] <Kilos> magespawn  whats the guy from dbnlugs name
[17:55] <Kilos> he been missing for a while now starting his own business
[17:57] <Kilos> wb magellanic  
[17:58] <magellanic> thanks
[17:58]  * Kilos watches the numbers
[17:58] <Kilos> 44 and climbing
[17:58] <captine> numbers?
[17:59] <Kilos> 44 nicks here
[17:59] <Kilos> record is 45
[18:06] <Kilos> 4 mins
[18:07] <Kilos> nuvolari  sluk gou
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:11] <inetpro> andrewlsd: nice to see you here again, wb
[18:11] <andrewlsd> ty, inetpro
[18:12] <nuvolari> oh great
[18:12] <nuvolari> lag 
[18:12] <Kilos> wat
[18:12] <Kilos> oh im looking skeef
[18:12] <nuvolari> like mad
[18:13]  * Kilos face slaps
[18:16] <nuvolari> this flipping happens always when I have important stuff 
[18:16] <nuvolari> ok, that looks better
[18:17] <Kilos> wb Private_User  
[18:17]  * nuvolari reviews agenda
[18:18] <Private_User> thanks Kilos
[18:18] <Kilos> hi clr  
[18:18] <nuvolari> nice! previous meeting overview: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150127
[18:18] <Kilos> you been scarce
[18:18] <nuvolari> oh hi Private_User, clr 
[18:18] <clr> Hi
[18:18] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Batman
[18:18] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[18:19] <nuvolari> :O
[18:19] <nuvolari> :'(
[18:19] <Kilos> lol
[18:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: I'll be back
[18:19] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:19] <andrewlsd> I'm your Private_user, user for IRC, {tina turner}
[18:19] <Private_User> hi nuvolari
[18:19] <nuvolari> oh hi andrewlsd 
[18:19] <nuvolari> wow, it's been ages
[18:20] <andrewlsd> yip. I'm just rediscovering IRC
[18:20] <Kilos> yay make this a favourite channel
[18:20] <andrewlsd> ... that is why you didn't IR-see me for so long.
[18:20] <Kilos> we got a revival going
[18:21] <Kilos> huh?
[18:23] <nuvolari> whoa
[18:23] <nuvolari> lots to learn for me
[18:24] <nuvolari> (Nikola)
[18:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:24] <Kilos> guess who looked at trello
[18:24] <inetpro> uh nuvolari, time to start mr chair
[18:25] <nuvolari> 5 minutes?
[18:25] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[18:25] <inetpro> sorry
[18:25] <inetpro> :-)
[18:25] <nuvolari> or are 2 of my watches out of sync?
[18:25] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <Kilos> ya he said morning just now
[18:26] <Kilos> that knocked everything a kilter
[18:26] <inetpro> ai!
[18:26] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[18:26] <inetpro> Padroni: wb
[18:26] <Padroni> hi
[18:26] <Jacques_Stry> Cutting it close :)
[18:26] <nuvolari> ag @#$%$%^&
[18:27]  * Padroni takes a beer and sits down
[18:27] <nuvolari> I hope telkom gets a life
[18:27] <Kilos> inetpro  fixit
[18:27] <nuvolari> I need a network I can trust
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: again?
[18:27] <nuvolari> *network connection
[18:27] <Kilos> nuvos connection man
[18:27] <inetpro> I think the seat is getting too hot already
[18:27] <Kilos> nuvolari  telkom mobile
[18:28] <Padroni> just FYI : http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:28] <Kilos> i got 4g
[18:28] <nuvolari> ek't nie 8ta sein hier nie oom 
[18:28] <nuvolari> :(
[18:28] <Kilos> eish
[18:28] <andrewlsd> kilos, se-ri-us speed then.
[18:28] <Kilos> bel hulle en se hulle moet plan maak man
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting (February 2015)
[18:29] <Kilos> ya now my modem is too slow
[18:29]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:29] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:29] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:29] <captine> nuvolari, our neighbourhood is trying to get fibre providers to come in... name is down for a trial if anything comes of it
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Batman
[18:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[18:29] <nuvolari> :P
[18:29] <mazal> Maaz I am Wikus van Dyk
[18:29] <Jacques_Stry> Maaz: I am Jacques Strydom
[18:29] <Maaz> mazal: Yessir
[18:29] <Maaz> Jacques_Stry: Done
[18:29] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:29] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[18:29] <magellanic> how does the meeting format work
[18:30] <nuvolari> oh wow captine!
[18:30] <nuvolari> that's great
[18:30] <nuvolari> wish I could go that route :P
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: Yessir
[18:30] <Kilos> just tell the bot I am Name Surname magellanic  
[18:30] <captine> could be months tho
[18:30] <captine> so hoping and hoping
[18:30] <nuvolari> Right!
[18:30] <magellanic> oh does the bot keep minutes for the meeting
[18:30] <captine> Maaz, I am Bradley Putzier
[18:30] <Maaz> captine: Alrighty
[18:30] <nuvolari> Welcome to tonight's meeting everyone
[18:30] <Kilos> yes
[18:30] <nuvolari> I hope you will have a pleasant time
[18:31] <Kilos> ty nuvolari  
[18:31] <Padroni> Maaz, I am Padroni
[18:31] <Maaz> Padroni: Yessir
[18:31] <nuvolari> thank you for your time in joining us
[18:31] <magellanic> Maaz: I'm Hiren Patel
[18:31] <Maaz> magellanic: Huh?
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: *I am
[18:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[18:31] <magellanic> Maaz: I am Hiren Patel
[18:31] <Maaz> magellanic: Done
[18:31] <nuvolari> er
[18:31] <inetpro> nuvolari: from the event on G+ we have the following indication from those who were invited 
[18:31] <inetpro> 11 Going, 7 Maybe, 51 Not Responded and 5 Not Going
[18:32] <nuvolari> wow
[18:32] <Kilos> ai! maybe is a bad word
[18:32] <inetpro> eish and 
[18:32]  * inetpro is one of the 7 Maybe guys
[18:32] <nuvolari> are we all 11 present?
[18:32] <Padroni> I think Ops should kick all idlers
[18:32] <Padroni> and have those present rejoin
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:32] <Padroni> so we know who is actually here and paying attention
[18:32] <nuvolari> nah
[18:32] <nuvolari> we're ok with idlers
[18:33] <andrewlsd> Maaz I am Andrew Mac
[18:33] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Alrighty
[18:33]  * nuvolari fumes @ MTN
[18:33]  * andrewlsd pokes Padroni
[18:34] <magellanic> don't complain, I'm on iburst :p
[18:34] <magellanic> andrewlsd: :)
[18:34] <Jacques_Stry> ouch >.<
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review of previous meeting
[18:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review of previous meeting
[18:34] <Padroni> me responds with a low orbit ion cannon
[18:34] <Padroni> eish 
[18:34] <Padroni> for got the /me
[18:34] <nuvolari> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150127
[18:34] <nuvolari> ^^ for reference
[18:34] <Kilos> wb clr
[18:34] <clr_> sorry hotel wifi not good, got kicked
[18:35] <Kilos> inet record equalled
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: cool
[18:35] <nuvolari> ok, reviewing previous meeting
[18:35]  * andrewlsd applauds the great attendance numbers
[18:35] <inetpro> hmm... in my mail of earlier I forgot about our new pastebin
[18:35] <nuvolari> shout when anyone wants to bring up something from last meeting
[18:35] <inetpro> new pastebin for sharing sticky notes written by superfly http://bin.snyman.info/
[18:35] <inetpro> even linked in our topic above
[18:36] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:36] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[18:36] <Padroni> just FYI : http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:36] <Kilos> thanks inetpro  for all the hard work
[18:36] <inetpro> for those who haven't read my message see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2015-February/011583.html
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: your fault
[18:37] <Kilos> what?
[18:37] <nuvolari> smart!
[18:37] <nuvolari> thanks superfly 
[18:37]  * inetpro is scared of the sjambok
[18:37] <Kilos> you did it man just needed some motivation
[18:37]  * Padroni would like to thank Kilos, as he got that f%%$&@^@%!cking Kali install sorted.
[18:37] <Kilos> good Padroni  
[18:38] <magellanic> what is the apt-offline note from the last meet link, curious
[18:38] <magellanic> apologies for delay, lagged on this connection
[18:38] <nuvolari> hmm, somehow that did not show up in my inbox inetpro 
[18:38] <Kilos> for updatings peeps without internet
[18:39] <nuvolari> er... wait
[18:39] <Kilos> there is another tool for investigation too in trello
[18:39] <inetpro> magellanic: https://trello.com/c/d0bjP0mr/36-investigate-use-of-apt-offline
[18:39] <nuvolari> I didn't read my mail yet
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <magellanic> oh
[18:40] <captine> nuvolari, I find a lot of the mailing list mails end up in my gmail spam... I miss a bunch.
[18:40] <Kilos> https://trello.com/c/812qOZjT/46-investigate-http-www-ubuntugeek-com-camicri-cube-a-tool-for-offlineonline-package-management-html
[18:41] <Kilos> magellanic  ^^
[18:41] <magellanic> are there many here needing an offline package management tool though?
[18:41] <Kilos> anyone with time can check it out
[18:41] <magellanic> nice idea
[18:41]  * inetpro officially congratulates Kilos and superfly for becoming official members since our last meeting
[18:41] <captine> congrats...
[18:41]  * Kilos bows
[18:42] <Padroni> well done
[18:42] <nuvolari> wow, thanks inetpro, quite a lenghty mail...
[18:42] <magellanic> congrats Kilos , superfly 
[18:42] <captine> magellanic, I run apt-cacher-ng... was doing apt-mirror but going with cacher rather..
[18:42] <nuvolari> yeah, congrats Kilos and superfly, it's well deserved!
[18:42] <andrewlsd> @inetpro, I prefer aptoncd to apt-offline. methinks aptoncd is simpler.better...
[18:42] <magespawn> Maaz: I am Greg Eames
[18:42] <Maaz> magespawn: Done
[18:42] <nuvolari> thank you for everything you're doing for us!
[18:43] <Kilos> aptoncd didnt work here with 14.04
[18:43] <inetpro> andrewlsd: does aptoncd still work?
[18:43] <Kilos> i used to use it
[18:43] <andrewlsd> inetpro. yes.
[18:43] <Kilos> hi Langjan  
[18:43] <Langjan> Hi kilos
[18:44] <Padroni> is this meeting gonna start ?
[18:44] <Kilos> Langjan  login with the bot please
[18:44] <Padroni> I am missing out on time with the family
[18:44] <Kilos>   Maaz  I am Name Surname
[18:44] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:44] <Jacques_Stry> New inet record
[18:45] <inetpro> nuvolari: ?? 
[18:45] <inetpro> waar is jy meneer?
[18:45] <Kilos> hi williamk  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:45] <Langjan> wot bot?
[18:46] <Kilos>   Maaz  
[18:46] <Kilos> tell him maaz I am Name Surname
[18:46]  * inetpro looking under the table for our chairman
[18:46] <Kilos> lol b lame mtn
[18:46] <inetpro> he fell off the chair?
[18:46] <williamk> Hi Kilos
[18:47] <Kilos> nice to see you here williamk  
[18:47] <Kilos> ty for coming
[18:47]  * nuvolari tries to update member info
[18:47] <inetpro> ai!
[18:47] <nuvolari> !
[18:48] <williamk> Hi , I am William Kinghorn, this is my first time, so will observe at first
[18:48] <inetpro> has everyone gone through the Agenda? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150224
[18:48] <nuvolari> williamk: welcome
[18:48] <Kilos> w0000t new record
[18:48] <nuvolari> nice to see you here :D
[18:48]  * nuvolari misses the Durban people
[18:49] <nuvolari> :( ubuntu wiki is *not* for editing tables
[18:49] <magellanic> inetpro: looked through it earlier yes
[18:49] <Langjan> Hi, I'm Jan Greeff, Kilos' grandpa
[18:49] <Kilos> nuvolari  meeting first
[18:49] <Kilos> I am Langjan  
[18:49] <Kilos> and maaz in front
[18:50]  * inetpro lol @ Langjan
[18:50] <Langjan> I am Langjan 
[18:50] <inetpro> nuvolari: topic please
[18:50] <andrewlsd> toe pick?
[18:50] <Kilos> now just put maaz in front of that
[18:51] <Padroni> Maas, I am Padroni
[18:51] <captine> inetpro, been through the agenda briefly
[18:51] <captine> yes
[18:51] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Plans for 2015
[18:51] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2015
[18:51] <Langjan> Is Maaz the Chair? 
[18:52] <Jacques_Stry> Bot
[18:52] <Kilos> no maaz is the bot
[18:52] <mazal> secretary
[18:52] <Langjan> whats the bot?
[18:52] <Kilos> nuvolari  is the chair
[18:52] <Kilos> robot that keeps minutes of meetings
[18:52] <Jacques_Stry> Keeps minutes, attendance, topic etc.
[18:52] <inetpro> ok, who hasn't signed up on Launchpad yet?
[18:52] <Langjan> OK, hi Maaz, I'm Langjan
[18:52] <Kilos> I am Langjan  
[18:53] <Kilos> and start with maaz
[18:53] <mazal> inetpro, the launchpad za team ?
[18:53] <clr_> I might have long time ago
[18:53] <Langjan> maaz I am Langjan
[18:53] <Maaz> Langjan: Sure
[18:53] <clr_> do you need to affiliate yourself with ubuntu-za there?
[18:53] <inetpro> please sign the Code of Conduct as well, if you haven't
[18:53] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct
[18:54] <nuvolari> The UCOC is quite important IMO
[18:54] <nuvolari> people might think it's overkill
[18:54] <nuvolari> but it shows that you take to heart that it's necessary to treat others well
[18:54] <nuvolari> even in the tech world
[18:55] <Kilos> inetpro  answer clr please
[18:55] <inetpro> clr_: no
[18:55] <Padroni_> i need more beer
[18:55] <inetpro> we're just a local community
[18:56] <Kilos> the local community
[18:56] <highvoltage> o/
[18:56] <clr_> I need A beer
[18:56] <inetpro> wb highvoltage
[18:56] <Kilos> lo highvoltage  
[18:56] <magellanic> what's the aim of the local community though, support each other, outreach? tech help? or?
[18:56] <magellanic> heya highvoltage 
[18:57] <nuvolari> you can always join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za if you want to clr_ 
[18:57] <nuvolari> oh hi highvoltage!
[18:57] <Kilos> everything
[18:57] <nuvolari> magellanic: yup, we try to be helpful where we can
[18:57] <Kilos> we all pull together
[18:57] <inetpro> magellanic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ
[18:57] <nuvolari> like oom kilos and others are active during the day
[18:58] <magellanic> okay cool
[18:58] <mazal> inetpro, we needs a link to that launchpad group on web site I think
[18:59]  * Jacques_Stry thinks that's a good idea
[18:59] <Kilos> mazal  keep notes
[18:59] <mazal> There's no link to it that I could see , so new people might not even know about it
[18:59] <inetpro> mazal: you mean to the FAQ?
[18:59] <Padroni_> I need to speak to my broker tomorrow.  Apparently, my iPad up and died tonight
[18:59] <mazal> inetpro, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[18:59] <Kilos> ai!
[19:00] <captine> I can try add it to the loco sites dropdown?
[19:00] <Kilos> haha multitasking chair
[19:00] <Langjan> inetpro that process to sign the code of conduct is way over my head, why do you computer junkies get so complicated? 
[19:01] <mazal> captine, that be good.
[19:01] <inetpro> hmm... Langjan, no need to do it all now
[19:01] <Kilos> i needed help as well Langjan  but from here its easier
[19:01] <mazal> Otherwise people won't know about that group
[19:01] <Jacques_Stry> captine: do you need someone to make an icon for that?
[19:01] <nuvolari> is'nt that what a chair does oom Kilos ?
[19:01] <nuvolari> *isn't
[19:02] <Langjan> and what on earth is UCOC - sounds like someting smelly in Afrikaans 
[19:02] <Kilos> nono chair chairs meeting and updates stuff when at work
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <inetpro> I suggest you get it done though, I would say there is a bit of method in the madness
[19:02] <inetpro> if you really plan to get involved, that is
[19:02] <captine> Jacques_Stry, i didnt even realize there were icons in that menu :).  should look at detail before volunteering :)
[19:02] <Kilos> ubuntu code of conduct
[19:03]  * mazal will try and do the signing procedure from tomorrow
[19:03] <captine> icon would be great Jacques_Stry.  I am not sure how to make one inline with the theme
[19:03] <Jacques_Stry> captine: I got some experience in photoshop, gimp and  inkscape so can help with that
[19:03] <Kilos> cool
[19:03] <nuvolari> ok, fair enough, I see there is no reference to UCOC any longer. There used to be :)
[19:03] <superfly> Jacques_Stry: it uses Font Awesome - fontawesome.io
[19:03] <nuvolari> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
[19:04] <inetpro> nuvolari: perhaps we should set up new guidelines for new members?
[19:04] <superfly> meh. thought I fixed that orange shadow
[19:04] <inetpro> superfly: I noticed your branch
[19:05] <Kilos> tutorial on signing the ucoc
[19:05] <inetpro> superfly: oh and we're also still waiting for new merged stuff to go live as well
[19:05] <Kilos> thanks superfly  and helpers for our great site
[19:06] <superfly> inetpro: ah, OK. add a story to Trello and assign it to me, please
[19:06] <superfly> then I know to do it
[19:06] <inetpro> superfly: will do
[19:06] <Langjan> nuvolari, thks I saw code of conduct but no way to sign it
[19:06] <superfly> I gotta go folks, see you all tomorrow
[19:06] <Kilos> cheers superfly  ty for popping in
[19:06] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for popping in, good night
[19:07] <captine> cheers superfly 
[19:07] <inetpro> snap
[19:07] <Kilos> lol
[19:07] <Jacques_Stry> cheers
[19:07] <Kilos> we are starting to sync
[19:07] <nuvolari> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct
[19:07] <nuvolari> Langjan: yeah, it's a bit of a process
[19:07] <Jacques_Stry> superfly: Will check for a compatible icon on fontawesome.io
[19:07] <nuvolari> cheers superfly 
[19:08] <nuvolari> my word! time flies
[19:08] <inetpro> +1
[19:08] <nuvolari> discuss trello or advance to events?
[19:09] <inetpro> nuvolari: events, I'd say
[19:09] <nuvolari> ok
[19:09] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[19:09] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:09]  * inetpro started a card about events
[19:09] <inetpro> https://trello.com/c/LfcSgYU2/29-arrange-events
[19:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:10] <nuvolari> +1
[19:10] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro 
[19:10] <inetpro> could perhaps expand that a bit more to help us further
[19:10] <inetpro> then capture it on the wiki
[19:11] <inetpro> anyone know of any upcoming events?
[19:11] <inetpro> or plan to host an event even?
[19:12] <captine> nope. sorry. think we missed the global jam earlier this month
[19:12]  * andrewlsd wishes for an ubuntu phone launch for ZA
[19:13] <inetpro> +1
[19:13] <andrewlsd> ... also not ubuntu, but open-source and open-net... there will be some FirefoxOS events in the near future..
[19:13] <Langjan> nuvolari, I got lost in a maze of unavailable keys, sorry, too complicated. I think I'll just pass this one, you guys are so capable you don't need the old guys
[19:14] <Kilos> can all za members please fill in your info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[19:14] <Langjan> OK guys, I'll leave you to it
[19:14] <magellanic> andrewlsd: +1
[19:14] <Kilos> of course we do Langjan  lets do it tomorrow or sometime
[19:14] <nuvolari> get a text editor ready, the web one is difficult
[19:14]  * inetpro hoping to see ubuntu-za raise to the challenge and have Ubuntu banners, CD's and other goodies at events
[19:15] <inetpro> s/raise/rise/
[19:15] <magellanic> inetpro: we used to dish out ubuntu disks at the mall on SFD when I was jhb, back in the day :D
[19:15] <Langjan> ok kilos well chat again, enjoy your chin wag and hope you get done what you set out to do
[19:15] <inetpro> Langjan: thanks for coming to the meeting
[19:15] <Kilos> ty Langjan   keep well
[19:16] <Langjan> Thanks guys, good chatting to you, keep well you too thks kilos
[19:16] <nuvolari> Hmm, can we discuss events next meeting?
[19:16] <inetpro> sure
[19:16] <nuvolari> 15.04 is coming up in 2 months
[19:17] <Padroni_> I have it on good authority
[19:17] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed: discuss near future events at March meeting
[19:17] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[19:17] <Padroni_> That Ubuntu is going commercial
[19:17] <nuvolari> Maaz: agree discuss near future events at March meeting
[19:17] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[19:17] <Kilos> lol
[19:17] <nuvolari> Maaz: agree: discuss near future events at March meeting
[19:17] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[19:17] <nuvolari> :'(
[19:17] <Kilos> agreed
[19:17] <Padroni_>  I am not gonna elaborate at this point.  but you heard it here first
[19:18] <inetpro> nuvolari: s/agree:/agree/
[19:18] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed discuss near future events at March meeting
[19:18] <Maaz> Agreed: discuss near future events at March meeting
[19:18] <inetpro> ah
[19:18] <Kilos> Padroni_  what?
[19:18] <nuvolari> ah
[19:18] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro 
[19:18] <nuvolari> lagging :(
[19:19] <Kilos> oh
[19:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:19] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:19] <nuvolari> Anything random?
[19:19] <nuvolari> I think trello should come under Miscellaneous
[19:19] <nuvolari> it's a workhorse
[19:19] <nuvolari> :P
[19:20] <Kilos> ya works me to death
[19:20]  * inetpro can get used to this
[19:20] <inetpro> to it
[19:20] <Kilos> lol
[19:20] <inetpro> very flexible
[19:20] <magellanic> I've resisted Kilos' trello trap :p
[19:21] <Kilos> skelm
[19:21] <nuvolari> lol
[19:21] <nuvolari> I wish we could use it :(
[19:21] <nuvolari> at work
[19:21] <Kilos> its so you can see what others are doing man
[19:21] <inetpro> only thing I would like to see is a way to copy and paste cards in a list to an email or to a text file
[19:22] <magellanic> lol
[19:22] <magellanic> it is quite cool, and I've heard good things about the mobile app
[19:22]  * mazal gtg
[19:22] <mazal> Sleep well everyone , God bless
[19:23] <inetpro> magellanic: yep, I also enjoy the mobile app
[19:23] <nuvolari> o/
[19:23] <magellanic> cheers mazal 
[19:23] <Kilos> night mazal  
[19:23] <inetpro> mazal: good night
[19:23] <nuvolari> it helps with visibility
[19:24] <nuvolari> I'm impressed
[19:24] <nuvolari> and ashamed of how little I get around to help :(
[19:24] <andrewlsd> ... we use trello @work. :-)
[19:24] <magellanic> hehe
[19:24]  * Kilos looks for the sjambok
[19:24] <nuvolari> Thank you again evryone involved with keeping the clockwork dustfree
[19:25] <nuvolari> nee.
[19:25] <nuvolari> oom. nee
[19:25] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, nee!
[19:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:25] <inetpro> lol
[19:25]  * nuvolari gil soos 'n vark
[19:25] <captine> cool.  thanks all.  might head to bed soon.
[19:25]  * inetpro hears the clock ticking away in the background
[19:26] <Kilos> ty for coming captine  
[19:26] <nuvolari> ok, lets wrap this up
[19:26] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:26] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson
[19:26] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson
[19:26]  * nuvolari is available
[19:26] <nuvolari> I think
[19:26] <nuvolari> :P
[19:26] <Kilos> see williamk  we are a bunch of nutcases
[19:26] <captine> ah.  thought meeting was done... will stick round till finished
[19:26] <nuvolari> I don't plan that far ahead
[19:26] <nuvolari> I think he went to bed  oom Kilos :P
[19:26] <Kilos> nuvolari  +1
[19:26] <inetpro> anyone else want to try the hot chair?
[19:27]  * andrewlsd hides away behind stuff
[19:27]  * nuvolari is willing to share the chair
[19:27] <inetpro> maybe even in coming months?
[19:27] <nuvolari> just to give it a go
[19:27] <Kilos> nuvolari  has a lifetime job
[19:27] <williamk> nutcases are what makes the world ( Ubuntu ) go arround
[19:27] <nuvolari> you really only need to pitch up and look like you're busy
[19:27] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:28] <nuvolari> :P
[19:28]  * inetpro forgot to mention something
[19:28] <captine> nuvolari, i am happy to try in a couple months... just waiting for my daughter to decide to enter the world.. so not going to have much time in the coming months
[19:28] <nuvolari> congrats captine :D
[19:28] <andrewlsd> Captine is not going to have much sleep either
[19:28] <nuvolari> when is she due?
[19:28] <Kilos> captine  keep us informed all the way hey
[19:28]  * inetpro wants to thank Kilos for the efforts in reaching out to the African teams
[19:28] <andrewlsd> Captine: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF_nfazQaek
[19:29] <inetpro> still an ongoing project but I think it's well worth it already
[19:29] <magellanic> I vote for andrewlsd :P
[19:29] <Kilos> ty inetpro  
[19:29]  * Padroni lurks
[19:29] <andrewlsd> +1 Kilos
[19:29] <magellanic> yeah africa doing so well with ubuntu/open source stuff these days
[19:29] <magellanic> impressive
[19:30] <nuvolari> ok,
[19:30] <captine> tomorrow
[19:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed nuvolari available for chairing next meeting
[19:30] <Maaz> Agreed: nuvolari available for chairing next meeting
[19:30] <inetpro> ok, so next meeting to be nuvolari again?
[19:30] <inetpro> cool!
[19:30] <Kilos> +1
[19:30] <andrewlsd> yay
[19:31] <inetpro> thanks nuvolari
[19:31] <andrewlsd> +1 nuvolari
[19:31] <Kilos> dankie baie seun
[19:31] <nuvolari> cool :) you're welcome
[19:31] <nuvolari> sweet!
[19:31] <nuvolari> guess the next meeting date?
[19:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:31] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:31]  * Jacques_Stry updated on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[19:31] <andrewlsd> 25 Feb?
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed next meeting 24 March 2015
[19:32] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting 24 March 2015
[19:32] <andrewlsd> what counts as being a member of ZATeam?
[19:32] <andrewlsd> or, what are requirements...
[19:32] <nuvolari> that's a wrap
[19:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic closing
[19:32] <Maaz> Current Topic: closing
[19:32] <inetpro> \o/
[19:32]  * inetpro thanks everyone for attending
[19:32] <Kilos> inetpro  tell him please
[19:32] <nuvolari> Thanks for coming everyone
[19:32]  * Jacques_Stry hopes he didn't make a mistake in adding himself...
[19:32] <andrewlsd> Thanks nuvolari
[19:32] <nuvolari> we appreciate your time 
[19:32] <magellanic> was a pleasure :D
[19:33] <Jacques_Stry> Thanks all
[19:33] <inetpro> andrewlsd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[19:33]  * andrewlsd knows nothing ....
[19:33] <Kilos> andrewlsd  just being here
[19:33] <Padroni> pleasure
[19:33] <nuvolari> Looking forward to the next meeting!
[19:33] <nuvolari> see you on the flipside
[19:33] <andrewlsd> I saw the Membership stuff, not sure how that related to ZA loco membership
[19:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:33] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:33] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-02-24-18-29-06.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-02-24-18-29-06.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-02-24-18-29-06.html
[19:33] <Kilos> thats for official ubuntu membership
[19:33] <Kilos> za team is easy
[19:34] <inetpro> andrewlsd: you just stick around here and sign up on the mailing list
[19:34] <andrewlsd> k.
[19:34] <andrewlsd> ty, inetpro
[19:34] <andrewlsd> ... I've 'joined' the launchpad team.
[19:34] <Kilos> cool
[19:34] <captine> nice.
[19:34] <inetpro> and be the volunteer for everything :-)
[19:34] <Kilos> great to have you back andrewlsd  
[19:34] <captine> andrewlsd, let me know if u up in Jhb for meetings.  will pop past the offices :_)
[19:35] <Kilos> rofl
[19:35] <Jacques_Stry> That web editor was horrible...
[19:35] <inetpro> Jacques_Stry: ?
[19:36] <Jacques_Stry> inetpro: Took me a few sec's to figure out the formatting of the online wiki editor :)
[19:36]  * inetpro would like to see the map of africa filled with ubuntu icons
[19:36] <Kilos> as soon as we have the site going then it will fill up quicker
[19:36] <Jacques_Stry> inetpro: but think I got it right
[19:36] <inetpro> Jacques_Stry: well done
[19:36] <andrewlsd> Thanks Captine, will do.
[19:36] <Kilos> 8 out of 18 locos have joined us
[19:37] <Jacques_Stry> inetpro: Thank you
[19:37] <Kilos> ty Jacques_Stry  
[19:37] <inetpro> the wiki is a bit slow but it works
[19:37] <nuvolari> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150224 updated
[19:37] <Kilos> nice to have another helping hand
[19:38] <Kilos> thanks nuvolari  
[19:38] <nuvolari> ok, I need to get ready for bed
[19:38] <nuvolari> you're welcome oom Kilos 
[19:38] <Kilos> sleep tight nuvolari  
[19:38] <nuvolari> thanks everyone
[19:38] <Jacques_Stry> Well Ubuntu runs on volunteers so the more the merrier.
[19:38] <nuvolari> sleep well
[19:38] <Jacques_Stry> Bye
[19:38] <nuvolari> o/ cheers
[19:39] <Kilos> ah inetpro  we gotta do the karma thing for working peeps
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[19:39] <Kilos> Maaz  Jacques_Stry  ++
[19:39] <Kilos> sigh
[19:39] <Kilos> i forget how to check
[19:40] <Kilos> Maaz  karma
[19:40] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[19:40] <Kilos> ai!
[19:40] <inetpro> ah... 
[19:40]  * inetpro forgets that as well
[19:40] <andrewlsd> Maaz karma is a b....
[19:40] <Maaz> andrewlsd: nobody cares, dude
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:40] <Padroni> ok
[19:40] <Padroni> I am off
[19:40] <Padroni> night people.
[19:40] <andrewlsd> cheers all.
[19:40] <Kilos> night Padroni  
[19:41] <Kilos> inetpro  new record=47
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz  fortune
[19:43] <Maaz> Kilos: Keep emotionally active.  Cater to your favorite neurosis.
[19:43] <charl> good evening
[19:43] <charl> sorry seems like i missed the meeting :(
[19:43] <Kilos> hi charl  
[19:44] <charl> did you people discuss maaz / ibid ?
[19:44] <charl> hey Kilos :)
[19:44] <charl> oh sorry, hi i mean :D
[19:44] <Kilos> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-02-24-18-29-06.txt
[19:44] <charl> i keep forgetting
[19:44]  * charl checking it out
[19:44] <Kilos> hehe
[19:44] <Kilos> was a lekker meeting
[19:45] <magellanic> keen to hear about the events at future meetings..
[19:45] <charl> seems like you did not discuss ibid then ?
[19:45] <inetpro> charl: ibid unfortunately was not on the agenda
[19:45] <Kilos> magellanic  you can plan one in your area
[19:46] <charl> ah... i thought it was going to be put on
[19:46] <inetpro> charl: if you join us on trello we can assign a task for you to work on it 
[19:46] <Kilos> 15.04 is three months away you can have a release party
[19:46] <charl> inetpro: ah yes i saw the page earlier, good good
[19:46] <magellanic> maiatoday etc do arrange release parties etc this side..
[19:46] <charl> inetpro: i am semi-on holiday right now but i'll go after that when i am back
[19:47] <Kilos> anyone can have a release party
[19:47] <inetpro> magellanic: oh yes, when is the release again?
[19:47] <inetpro> charl: ok
[19:47] <magellanic> no idea inetpro 
[19:48] <magellanic> I'll look to go if one is arranged here though
[19:48] <Jacques_Stry> 23 April
[19:48] <Kilos> magellanic  where are you?
[19:48] <inetpro> hmm
[19:48] <Kilos> ty Jacques_Stry  
[19:48]  * inetpro looks at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[19:49] <magellanic> Cpt
[19:49] <inetpro> people even forget to update the wiki these days
[19:49] <Kilos> bad time with debconf in june i think
[19:49] <charl> have a good evening all
[19:49] <Kilos> ty charyou too
[19:50] <Kilos> ai!
[19:50] <magellanic> oh yes! debconf
[19:50] <Kilos> inetpro  thats an event methinks
[19:50] <magellanic> that's in cpt hey, in june you say?
[19:50] <Kilos> yes the fly will keep us updated on it
[19:51] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  wb
[19:51] <magellanic> sweet.
[19:51] <Vince-0> Haai
[19:51] <Vince-0> at wek
[19:51] <Kilos> you missed the meeting man
[19:51] <Vince-0> aganee
[19:51] <captine> isnt it next year june ? debconf CPT?
[19:51] <Vince-0> captine, yes
[19:51] <captine> cool
[19:52] <captine> night all
[19:52] <Kilos> night cap
[19:52] <Kilos> ai!
[19:52] <Jacques_Stry> lol
[19:52] <Kilos> Vince-0  hows things going there
[19:53] <williamk> Hi Vince-0
[19:53] <inetpro> magellanic: when exactly is it and where do we list it so long so we don't forget?
[19:54] <magellanic> inetpro: what? debconf? or the release party?
[19:54] <magespawn> hi sorry did not contrubute much to that meeting
[19:54] <inetpro> magellanic: debconf
[19:54] <inetpro> oh I see June
[19:54] <Kilos> np magespawn  
[19:54] <inetpro> long to go till then
[19:54] <Kilos> ya
[19:54] <inetpro> magespawn: ai!
[19:55] <inetpro> Vince-0: wb
[19:55] <Kilos> magellanic  i am sure you can arrange a release party where you like
[19:55] <Vince-0> ag kak in joburg man
[19:55] <magellanic> inetpro: apparently june yes
[19:56] <Kilos> just the dvds sometimes take a while to be released
[19:56] <magellanic> Kilos: yep, may do so..
[19:56] <Kilos> Vince-0  what you doing up here
[19:56] <Kilos> so you need some good lappies and externals
[19:57] <magellanic> 2016 it looks like
[19:57] <Kilos> thats debconf
[19:58] <magellanic> yes, @ inetpro 
[19:58] <Kilos> lol
[19:58] <magellanic> why lol?
[19:58] <Kilos> long time still
[19:59] <Kilos> i thought it was this june
[19:59] <magellanic> me too :/
[19:59] <magellanic> this year's is in germany
[19:59] <magellanic> next year cpt
[20:00] <Kilos> ah
[20:01] <magellanic> yuppers
[20:01] <Kilos> oh Jacques_Stry  my son is in rustenburg
[20:02] <Jacques_Stry> Kilos: Why would he come here :)
[20:02] <Kilos> he has a small business there
[20:03] <Jacques_Stry> i see, it's just that there aren't allot of IT jobs around here
[20:03] <Jacques_Stry> what type of business?
[20:03] <Kilos> he does um
[20:03] <Kilos> er
[20:04] <Kilos> micro stuffs
[20:04] <Kilos> fingerprint and hand scanners and
[20:04] <Kilos> timekeeping stuff
[20:04] <magespawn> Jacques_Stry: where is here?
[20:04] <Kilos> and who knows what else
[20:05] <Kilos> rtp magespawn  
[20:05] <Kilos> rtb
[20:05] <magespawn> rtp?
[20:05] <magespawn> rtb/
[20:05] <magespawn> ?
[20:05] <Jacques_Stry> I see - definitely a good business to have with all the mining industry
[20:05] <Kilos> rustenburg
[20:06] <Kilos> i think he is battling to get in on the mines but has mercedes and bmw there as far as i know
[20:06] <Kilos> and some supermarkets etc
[20:08] <Jacques_Stry> if you send me his details i'll keep an eye out, we do have fingerprint readers etc. so if we need more I can give him a buzz
[20:09] <Kilos> his mail is ian@xsm.co.za
[20:09] <Jacques_Stry> saved thx.
[20:10] <Kilos> and there is a site xsm.co.za but it says i dont have permission to go there now i think he is rebuilding it with bzr
[20:11] <Kilos> it used to let me in before
[20:11] <Kilos> will give him the what for tomorrow
[20:12] <Jacques_Stry> :) I actually installed the system we have 2 weeks ago
[20:13] <Kilos> arent you a book keeper
[20:13] <Jacques_Stry> No >.< it tech for a high school
[20:14] <Kilos> ah i got you mixed up with someone here
[20:14] <Kilos> sorry
[20:14] <Jacques_Stry> haha we got about 220 computers on site
[20:14] <Jacques_Stry> No problem
[20:14] <Kilos> lekker and all win pcs
[20:14] <Jacques_Stry> ...tel me about it...
[20:14] <Kilos> you must drink to forget i think
[20:15] <Jacques_Stry> wish I could slap Ubuntu on all of them
[20:15] <Jacques_Stry> would make life so much easier
[20:15] <Kilos> yeah ask mazal
[20:15] <Kilos> he has the same prob
[20:15] <Jacques_Stry> almost all servers run linux luckily
[20:16] <Kilos> whew
[20:16] <Jacques_Stry> only active directory and windows update is on server 2008
[20:16] <Kilos> so many pcs in one school
[20:17] <Jacques_Stry> we have 5 student computer rooms - rest are teacher computers
[20:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:18] <Jacques_Stry> but luckily I got all options covered with the kids
[20:18] <Kilos> find the one you think will learn to use ubuntu the quickest then teach him/her and let him spread the word
[20:18] <Jacques_Stry> We do promote Ubuntu to the kids
[20:18] <Kilos> good
[20:19] <Jacques_Stry> Problem is we can't use it in the classroom - government contract with microsoft prohibits this
[20:19] <Kilos> ai!
[20:20] <Jacques_Stry> But we I feel I still have the responsibility to show the kids that there are alternatives available and that they are awesome!
[20:21] <Kilos> good
[20:22] <Jacques_Stry> Once they hear from you that large companies like google run mostly on ubuntu or ubuntu derivatives they get quite interested. 
[20:23] <Jacques_Stry> I'm stating that wrong - meant their in-house work stations
[20:23] <Jacques_Stry> workstations*
[20:25] <Jacques_Stry> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu
[20:26] <Kilos> wow
[20:26] <Jacques_Stry> Good promotion material :)
[20:26] <Kilos> yeah
[20:27] <Kilos> there are actually whole cities in germany on linux as far as i know
[20:28] <Jacques_Stry> Have read the articles, the money they save is enormous
[20:29] <Kilos> yeah 
[20:29] <Jacques_Stry> I should probably get some sleep
[20:29] <Kilos> ya me too
[20:29] <Jacques_Stry> Enjoy your night oom
[20:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:30] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow
[20:32] <inetpro> Kilos: now we need someone to summarise the meeting and send to the mailing list 
[20:32] <inetpro> and update the team report 
[20:32] <inetpro> hmm
[20:39] <magespawn> inetpro put it in trello
[20:40] <magespawn> then the oom can see it and do it, or sjambok somebody else to do it
[20:43] <magespawn> either way, i am also off to bed, good night all