[00:06] ok knome, I'm about again [00:07] slickymaster, for starters, take a look at what i and pleia2 just discussed [00:07] doing it [00:09] yeah, the StartUbuntu flyers section should be dropped [00:09] knome, pleia2: What were your thoughts on the aforementioned idea of translations on docs.x.o? [00:09] Unit193, i'm happy with it [00:09] it's way long gone that XP transition [00:10] which idea is that Unit193 ? [00:10] having the translations also linked fron the site? [00:10] slickymaster, yes [00:10] ok [00:10] +1 to it [00:11] I agree that the FAQs section ought to be updated but there hasn't been much written to update it [00:12] Unit193: should be fine, but we should create a wiki page with "update the docs" instructions, right now it's simple so I just remember it every time I update the site, but if we're building translations each time too, it starts getting more complicated [00:12] I have `./update` for my daily build. :P [00:14] knome, what type of widgets are you talking about? [00:14] Unit193: great, sharing the contents of ./update should be much of the docs we need [00:14] pleia2, we can probably drop a script in the branch [00:14] knome: or that [00:14] I mean the ones you mentioned that could be added to the front page [00:15] slickymaster, see the staging site for the visual look potential [00:15] the server our docs live on doesn't always like to talk to the bzr server, so it's still all handled by hand [00:15] * slickymaster sees [00:15] pleia2: I could, it's a little geared towards my setup, but it's pretty generic. [00:15] I should look into that again, maybe open a ticket [00:15] pleia2, could probably do a script that exports everything into a tar.gz you only have to unpack on the server [00:16] knome: any of the above is fine :) I just don't want to add this to my workload without a plan [00:16] knome: Mine uses rsync... [00:16] i understand, which is why i'm proposing clear actionable items for Unit193 to take :P [00:16] Whaaaat? Nooo, this needs to be done by knome! [00:18] pleia2, did you have a photo of the xubuntu t-shirt or want to come up with more text on the products page for that? :P [00:18] knome: "This is dynamically created content." [00:18] knome: no photo [00:18] can you clarify that for me a bit more [00:18] slickymaster, meaning it's not hardcoded to the website, we can control that without RT tickets to IS [00:18] slickymaster, the column count too. [00:18] right [00:19] * knome drops web banners for now [00:19] slickymaster, anything in the discussion you saw you'd like to work on now? [00:20] take a pick knome, I'll be about for a hour more [00:20] so [00:20] well i'm working on this and that already [00:21] *you* take a pick that scratches your itch :P [00:21] the docs item [00:22] on it right now [00:22] on text review? [00:22] done [00:22] refresh the page [00:23] pleia2: Want to look at it perhaps? [00:23] needs a hard refresh [00:24] slickymaster, as anything with canonical cache [00:24] Unit193: not today, probably not this week, I'm really buried at $day_job [00:24] ok, updated a bit more [00:28] I'm ok with that [00:28] slickymaster, well if you aren't, feel free to edit it [00:28] no, I am [00:29] but were'nt you and pleia2 also talking about bumping up the position of the docs links on that page? [00:29] i did that. [00:29] weren't even [00:30] I see it now, it's visible in the page load, without the need of scrolling the page down [00:31] knome: the StartUbuntu section is going to be replaced by anything? [00:31] slickymaster, not at the moment, until we have the xubuntu flyers ready [00:31] well, there's the note about the development of those [00:32] GridCube, ping [00:32] YES [00:32] caplocks [00:32] haha :) [00:32] yes? [00:33] re: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/DesktopOfTheWeek [00:33] did we know the wallpaper licenses for the first two? [00:34] #3 link is not working [00:36] yes, probably taken down, i have no clue about first two [00:36] so we should start with your wallpaper [00:36] or Unit? [00:38] Nope. [00:38] gridders then [00:38] :) its fine [00:38] i dont mind either way [00:39] You can use that, I can re-shoot, or something I don't actually care, just got to scrollback and saw my non-ping name. :P [00:39] P: we can get a prettier one from Unit193 [00:43] http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/dotw/ [00:44] pleia2, if around, see ^that and comment [00:45] GridCube, is that library you work at? [00:46] lol, no, not even [00:46] my library is like a shoebox with books in it [00:46] knome: "This desktop is Bruno", shouldn't it be "This desktop is Bruno's"? [00:47] or is from P: [00:47] or that [00:47] slickymaster, nooo :P [00:47] Unit193: going to add xfce components to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4/+bug/1424887 [00:47] Launchpad bug 1424887 in xfce4 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Xfce 4.12 for Vivid" [Undecided,New] [00:47] ahah [00:47] do you know how small the caption textarea in wp is? :( [00:47] * slickymaster caught the grammar police [00:47] and then I'll poke -release folks about it tomorrow [00:47] i can see like 9 words at a time [00:47] * slickymaster hides [00:48] wow thats froma august 2013 [00:48] how fast time goes on [00:49] bluesabre: Ah, nice. Have fun then, I'll try to keep an eye on it too. [00:53] looks like color scheme day tomorrow [00:54] ochosi: see the above link as you (you're now subscribed) [00:57] knome: think I need to add any more words to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1424887 ? [00:57] Launchpad bug 1424887 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Xfce 4.12 for Vivid" [Undecided,New] [00:59] "each component since 14.04" ? [01:00] or even [01:00] "each component since 14.04 LTS" [01:00] i think that might tickle the approve-nerve [01:01] heh [01:01] well that says "we've used this devel stuff for LTS, now we'd like the final stuff in" [01:01] maybe say something about affected flavors [01:01] studio [01:01] and how they are fine with this [01:02] * bluesabre hasn't spoken with myth and studio [01:02] Unit193, didn't you? [01:02] or who was it [01:02] probably xubuntuw38 [01:02] i remotely remember seeing some comment on their development channel that they are fine with it [01:03] Likely Studio. [01:03] but... don't put that in the bug because i said it. [01:03] studio tries to go DE-agnostic anyway [01:04] And I don't think zequence would object though, but lets ping him. [01:04] yes [01:04] myth people too [01:05] They only do LTS releases. [01:05] oh. [01:05] then let's not [01:05] they are probably just happy that we got a non-dev release in before the next LTS :P [01:17] damn, coorecting the translated tags in the po files is making me sleepy [01:17] :) [01:17] slickymaster, hah. [01:17] slickymaster, no whining! [01:18] not whining, yawning :P [01:20] * slickymaster would love to catch one in the fi.po file [01:20] unlikely ;) [01:20] lol [01:20] there's none, already check that one [01:20] yep [01:57] this bug confuses me https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11583 [01:57] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11583 in Helpers "exo-open --launch FileManager with non Thunar filemanagers" [Normal,New] [01:57] ~"this pdf won't open in thunar or nautilus, nautilus opens up at the location of the file" [01:58] maybe I misunderstand, but I wouldn't read a document with my filing cabinet [02:00] oh wait... well that is odd [02:00] why even pass "--launch FileManager" ? [02:00] maybe thunar intelligently opens the file in the correct app [02:00] * bluesabre shrugs [02:00] I'll comment on that one later [02:00] comment what? [02:01] dunno yet [02:01] :D [02:01] whats up brainvvash ? [02:02] exo-open --launch FileManager is meant to launch the default file manager, no additional arguments [02:02] not much.. just waiting for Xfce 4.12 to be released :D [02:04] --launch TYPE [PARAMETERs...] Launch the preferred application of TYPE with the optional PARAMETERs, where TYPE is one of the following values. [02:25] * bluesabre packages new light-locker patch [02:25] bluesabre: Pssst, I already did that, pinged you, linked you, and pushed to staging. :P [02:25] Or is this a newer-new? :P [02:26] newer-new [02:26] 6 hours ago? [02:26] Nope, same. [02:26] D: [02:26] But, uhh. If you're already nearly done... [02:27] oh, I see [02:27] light-locker (1.6.0-0ubuntu1~ppa15.04.2) vivid; urgency=medium [02:27] confused me since there was not a 15.04.1 there [02:27] That's not mine. [02:28] :D [02:29] ...Did I push it to staging? I meant to, and did in my head... [02:29] now I'm confused [02:29] 2015-02-16 [02:29] last vivid build [02:29] https://sigma.unit193.net/source/light-locker_1.6.0-0ubuntu2.dsc [02:30] oh goodie [02:31] That's partially why I asked about LL, since we're shipping each commit basically. :P [02:32] heh [02:32] i wonder how many apps would work if you only shipped either the odd or even numbered commits. [02:32] I saw cavalier's ping before your ping [02:32] Oooh. [02:32] brainvvash pinged me. [02:33] * bluesabre can now easily retrieve pings, nice weechat script for that [02:35] That'll be handy. [02:35] * knome notes to ping bluesabre more often [02:35] * bluesabre gets excited [02:35] you get excited of work? :P [02:36] I get excited at the prospect of possibly not losing work [02:36] wow, that's a long shot [02:36] but okay. [02:40] :D [02:42] and also, i'm off to bed [02:42] nighty and ttyl [02:42] nighty knome [02:42] lock-on-lid seems to work, so thats exciting [02:45] Yey! [02:45] * bluesabre can't upload light-locker either [02:46] Hah. :D [02:46] I think our packageset is temporarily broken :P [02:46] That's alright, I can't upload anything. :D [02:46] Unit193: want to upload that to -staging so we can get more testing? [02:46] There was a packageset change earlier, I believe. [02:46] Sure. [02:46] Thanks [02:47] Unit193: where was the packageset change... not sure I'm subscribed to that notification [02:47] [15:43:15] queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Packageset: 52 entries have been added or removed [02:48] * bluesabre thinks the release team wants me him to focus on the xfce release [02:48] dang, didn't erase one of those words [02:48] ah, indeed [05:11] bluesabre: Why is 60-xubuntu.conf in debian/ rather than usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/ ? [07:18] can someone with the knowledges do social thing for beta 1 tests please - ty :) [11:27] Unit193: beats me [11:48] We've got the go-ahead for xfce-4.12 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1424887 [11:48] Launchpad bug 1424887 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Xfce 4.12 for Vivid" [Undecided,Triaged] [11:49] does the task manager crash the notification area? [11:49] (not that I expected otherwise) [11:50] brainvvash: works for me [11:50] (doesn't crash the notification area) [11:50] ok [12:01] elfy, tweeted [12:04] sounds great :-) So i guess for trusty i can use xfce-412 ppa to get the same like planed for vivid? [12:19] Akusari: yeah, once the release lands we'll update the xfce-412 ppa with the latest and greatest [12:22] though it's not exactly the same as the polished experience in vivid [12:22] and using the PPA is at your own risk, on vivid you get the support [12:37] yes, yes, i know.... [12:38] just want to avoid misconceptions since many more people read this channel [12:39] yeah and i think a lot of people will ask for backports XD [12:41] you can always ask... [12:42] hehe - right :-) [12:44] if i would be the head, i wouldn't offer any kind of backports fot trusty or older xubuntu versions. :) [12:44] sounds hard but it's the best i think [12:46] i would offer that you can use our xfce-4.12 ppa, but its your own risk of course (So, at least, we agree :-)) [12:47] well, 14.04 is supported until 2017, so it's a balance between backporting 4.12 and supporting a development version for two more years [12:47] so a backport isn't completely out of question [12:47] but probably still unlikely, since it's a lot of work [12:48] yes, you need to analyze how many ressources (men-power) might be used for a backport and much mnore importend "support" of those packages [12:49] it's mostly different people taking the burden though [12:49] we,, i know such problems, because i'm a developer in a software house ;-) [12:49] well [13:06] knome: thanks :) [13:09] eh. the "bridge linux xfce edition" menu icon looks suspiciously close to the old xubuntu logo [13:09] http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Bridge-Linux-Xfce-2015-02-Released-a-Fast-and-User-Friendly-Arch-Linux-Distro-473288-3.jpg [13:10] or is the "arch xfce" icon [13:10] http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Bridge-Linux-Xfce-2015-02-Released-a-Fast-and-User-Friendly-Arch-Linux-Distro-473288-11.jpg [13:44] elfy, I can't do any hardware test with the 32-bit beta. Fails to create a bootable flash drive with UNetbootin. [13:49] !team | next community meeting announced; tomorrow (feb 25) at 17utc [13:49] next community meeting announced; tomorrow (feb 25) at 17utc: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 [13:50] and sorry for the short notice... [14:18] pleia2, ygm [14:24] bbl [16:09] jjfrv8: ack - I gave up using unetbootin ftr [16:12] * pleia2 social medias about b1 testing [16:14] pleia2: awesome sauce - thanks :) [16:41] * dkessel needs a search engine for this channel's irc logs [16:41] oh ... hang on dkessel [16:41] i just encountered that bug where while watching a video, the mouse cursor won't come back when moving a mouse. i believe someone reported it for parole the other day [16:43] check what rww was saying in #ubuntu+1 yesterday http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/23/%23ubuntu+1.html [16:43] at the end of those really long logs - that might help you [16:44] oh, nice! thanks elfy :) [16:44] not tried it myself though [16:45] let's see [16:46] nah. i guess i'll check the past few days' logs manually [16:47] dkessel, it was me, changing the video sink fixed the issue [16:47] knome: just found out about that. i see the same thing happening in chrome while watching html5 video... [16:48] elfy bug 1425047 [16:48] bug 1425047 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install (manual partitioning) in Xubuntu Desktop i386 for Vivid Daily doesn't finish installation" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425047 [16:48] hey knome, dkessel [16:48] hello slickymasterWork [16:48] hey slickymasterWork [16:48] slickymasterWork: yes - now you are back - have you tried again? [16:48] I've just run that test - passed here [16:49] i get this while watching video in fullscreen. after going back to windowed mode, controls and mouse cursor return [16:49] well since it's the same image, I'd expect to achieve the same result elfy [16:50] I'm beginning to think that any bugs from vbox shouldn't cause a fail unless replicated on something else [16:50] slickymasterWork: well yea - but theoretically I've got the same image here :) [16:50] I'm assuming you're referring to the b1 image elfy [16:50] yes [16:50] that's odd [16:50] not really - vbox [16:51] possibly different vbox version 4.3.22-dfsg-1 here [16:51] but what is even odder is the fact that it installs if not partitioning, i.e, entire disk [16:52] the axact same here elfy [16:52] exact also [16:52] right [16:52] hello people :-) [16:53] well I did exactly the same test, manual partition and it passes [16:53] as I said I'm getting to think that vbox fails shouldn't be [16:55] slickymasterWork: and you run that from try or install? [16:56] pleia2, sent the mail, thanks [16:57] from what I could gather and figured out the system just couldn't mount /dev/sda2 and that's why whining about not finding a HFS filesystem on dev sda2 [16:57] knome: thanks :) [16:57] pleia2, and sorry for not CC'ing, i'm sure you wouldn't have understood most of the message anyway ;) [16:58] bork bork [17:01] elfy partitioning was run from install [17:02] ok - so not livesession? just want to see if I can replicate this in vbox [17:02] entire disk was run from within live session [17:03] going to try to run partitioning also from within live session to see if it acts the same wasy [17:03] * way [17:24] slickymasterWork: ok - seeing it [17:25] did you run it from install? [17:25] I'm running it now from within live session to see if it acts the same way elfy [17:26] I bet you'll see a pass [17:27] pass?! elfy [17:27] running both arch's again [17:27] then I'll check kvm [17:27] then I'll check hardware [17:28] no procrastination for elfy ;) [17:28] :) [17:28] elfy's shoothing for the free stickers [17:28] well ... [17:28] I didn't say then I'll check kvm straight after that [17:29] knome: well ... if I actually always put my results on the tracker - I'd be miles ahead :p [17:29] * slickymasterWork is shooting for the t-shirts :P [17:29] elfy, j/k :P [17:29] knome: :) [17:30] slickymasterWork: when it crashed - did you get any notification? [17:31] nopes, nothing at all [17:31] just end up at a dead wallpaper? [17:31] the slideshow simply disappears [17:31] yeaps [17:31] k [17:32] I had to drop to TTY1 and go through the logs to find out what happened [17:33] ok - assuming that this is in fact a bug [17:33] the way I see it it is, even more if you're able to reproduce it in hardware [17:34] few things we need to make sure of - 1st it's not just vbox, 2nd - would we expect people to Install or to wander about the livesession and do their installing, 3rd we accept the issues if it is just either only vbox or works everywhere from live [17:35] I'll boot vbox to get ubiquity debug logs as well [17:35] I'm finish the install from within the live session and at least that will provide us some more info [17:35] s/finish/finishing [17:35] I've got a pass from within livesession - didn't actually twig the test was for install ... oops [17:36] it works from within the live session elfy [17:36] 32bit crashed again :D [17:36] ^^ [17:36] slickymasterWork: yea - though it would [17:37] hopefully this is just 32bit [17:37] then I can say - get 64bit :D [17:37] thing is, most people will install directly from the 'Install' option, so I'm leaning to consider it as a bug in ubiquity [17:37] okey doke - both crashes [17:38] elfy, no escape, hit the 'This bug affects you' link :P [17:38] I already have :) [17:38] lol [17:39] elfy amd64 tag added to the bug report [17:40] elfy, you sure you hit the correct bug? bug 1425047 [17:40] bug 1425047 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install (manual partitioning) in Xubuntu Desktop i386 for Vivid Daily doesn't finish installation" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425047 [17:41] I'm positive [17:42] it's odd, it's still with the 'New' status and it ought to be 'Confirmed' then [17:43] yea it is now [17:43] right, it is now [17:47] btw elfy, b1 images are also hitting bug 1424561 [17:47] bug 1424561 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "wrapper-1.0 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424561 [17:47] yes [17:49] slickymasterWork: ok - so talking to people about the install crash now, grabbing some other logs for the bug [17:50] I don't have that box anymore elfy :P [17:51] ? [17:51] aren't you asking me for some other logs? [17:51] no - I'm doing it :) [17:53] :) [18:10] bbl -> [18:10] sigh - all a bit poorly this is :D [18:51] mmm [18:52] ochosi: so currently - using manual partitioning - installs appear to crash - but are actually complete if you reboot [18:52] all work properly from live session [18:53] that's vbox and unfortunatel also hardware [19:10] Vivid iso beta testing: Is this really the current used default wallpaper or a graphic error ? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-24022015-200653.php [19:11] Akusari: That's the development wallpaper. :D [19:11] it looks soooo, well,...not my taste :-P [19:14] fortunately you can change the wallpaper in a modern desktop environment like xfce [19:18] that screenshot reminds me that I wanted to ask if we could add a label to the whiskermenu icon. something like " Menu " (spaces for additional padding) [19:20] the app menu is an important component and the visual representation in the panel is somewhat subtle currently [19:21] adding the label makes it also easier to click [19:22] adding a label makes something easier to click - I'd love to see that [19:23] easier to target? [19:23] well for you you could just set it to icon and text - that should be a big enough target [19:24] I can do that, but I feel like it should be the default [19:25] and I feel it shouldn't [19:25] there we go - 2 different people - 2 opinions :) [19:25] that's ok [19:25] meanwhile - in real problems - the installer fails without the live session :) [19:26] it's the first thing I notice when looking at the default xubuntu desktop [19:27] so, maybe it could be discussed [19:28] i wonder why these discussions always so up at the last minute [19:28] any ideas why that might be so? [19:28] nope [19:29] but no reason why not to start it in early May I guess [19:29] me neither [19:29] I like just the icon too [19:29] must be bad luck :P [19:29] late? still plenty of time until 16.04 [19:33] not enough supporters, so I'll drop this topic :) [19:33] in a random 15-minute period on a single IRC channel? [19:36] We "could" add an icon, and think Xfce does by default, but it end up just taking up space and you'll see other distributions/OSes/etc also don't do this. [19:36] label [19:36] there's already an icon :) [19:36] elfy said NO, so I'm not motivated enough to discuss this :D [19:37] if we decide not to add the label, we can voluntell brainvvash to write a FAQ article on enabling the label [19:38] "how to open the properties window?" [19:38] mmm [19:48] brainvvash, that's exactly the wording we are after [20:06] anyone in here know if "cyphermox> elfy: do you know if _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS gets used for something special in xfce?" [20:06] maybe Unit193 or bluesabre :) [20:06] * Unit193 ducks. [20:06] heheh ;) [20:06] I'm trying to find some reason for windows to show up outside the screen [20:06] Can't remember if it is xfsettingsd, xfwm4, or xfdesktop that uses it. WHy do you ask? [20:06] so far, not much to go on [20:07] either _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS, and/or _NET_DESKTOP_NAMES [20:07] that said - probably just about anyone but me :) [20:08] cyphermox: lol - forgot you were in here :) [20:08] http://paste.openstack.org/show/4YdQrp9eHW3Z7qi31HGU [20:08] cyphermox: tbh - any question like that - better to try in here than me I'm afraid [20:08] elfy: ok [20:28] * ranu is wondering why Thunderbird is too slow to load the inbox and the selected messages :( [20:28] but that's off topic, so >.> [20:33] vivid beta1 iso testing: manual partition has some trouble... i'm collecting data... [20:39] Akusari: yes - we know - bug 1425047 [20:39] bug 1425047 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install (manual partitioning) in Xubuntu Desktop i386 for Vivid Daily doesn't finish installation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425047 [20:39] more or les the same i'm adding data [20:40] as long as it's to that bug :) [20:40] you'll find that on reboot it's worked I suspect [20:40] with entire disc you'll find it's not there to work with - but you can find it and move it onto desktop [20:41] you'll find also it's hardware as well as vm's :) [20:45] Well that's a simple answer, don't use ubiquity to install! [20:45] * Unit193 ducks. [20:45]