[00:42] <claydoh> shadeslayer for prez! https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67502-moz-plasma-team-PPA
[00:55] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[06:29] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: sorry for the late responce
[06:29] <ovidiu-florin> no I didn't know anyything about that
[06:30] <ovidiu-florin> I see it's up now
[06:33] <valorie> sorry ahoneybun, I was visiting my dad
[06:34] <valorie> took forever tonight for various reasons (non serious)
[07:17] <soee> good morning
[07:18] <Quintasan> Hi
[09:10] <Riddell> sgclark: upload it whenever you think it's ready to be uploaded
[09:10] <Riddell> if it works then go for it
[09:17] <Riddell> I'm away today, exploring catalunya
[09:23] <davmor2> Riddell: nice
[09:24] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:27] <ruben-ikmaak> Hi, i'm running Kubuntu Trusty, and as of today, i get this error when trying to start several programs: KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/(kate/konsole/akregator/more)
[09:27] <ruben-ikmaak> KDE ver 4.14.2
[09:27] <ruben-ikmaak> i just did the normal updates as requested by updater
[09:28] <ruben-ikmaak> could anyone help me get to get a functioning system again?
[09:31] <lordievader> Riddell: Have you seen the above? I rember having this once on Vivid.
[09:31] <ruben-ikmaak> google has a lot of entries about probs like this but in 2010, they refer to dbus? I did do an upgrade to the kernel today...
[09:32] <lordievader> Is dbus running?
[09:33] <ruben-ikmaak> i'm unsure how to check
[09:33] <lordievader> ruben-ikmaak: In a terminal: ps aux|grep dbus
[09:34] <ruben-ikmaak> there is a dbus deamon running, and a few others mentioning the name
[09:37] <ruben-ikmaak> is there any other info i could provide?
[09:39] <ruben-ikmaak> if this is due to the recent update, should the channel not be riddled with people asking this question?
[09:41] <lordievader> Phaps it happens only in specific cases.
[09:43] <ruben-ikmaak> i will try a reboot in a few minutes, would be bad for me to miss this machine today....
[09:45] <valorie> for the record, I did updates to 14.10 today, and no such problems
[09:45] <valorie> I've used kate since
[09:46] <ruben-ikmaak> ok, thanks. i cant say i did a lot of special program installs on this machine
[09:46] <lordievader> This is about 14.04.
[09:47] <lordievader> It could be related to the update to 14.04.2
[09:47] <ruben-ikmaak> ok, back in a few!
[09:49] <ruben-ikmaak> ok, seems to have solved it. thanks for the help lordievader!
[09:50] <ruben-ikmaak> phew! that was bad timing :P
[09:50] <lordievader> How?
[09:50] <ruben-ikmaak> another reboot did it, dunno why
[09:51] <lordievader> Hmm...
[09:51] <ruben-ikmaak> but i'm glad
[09:51] <ruben-ikmaak> i was already making contingency plans...
[09:54] <ruben-ikmaak> hmm, while i'm here there are two more things: i make pretty heavy use of akregator, i follow over 80 sites, and those  generate about 2000-2400 posts a day. on more than one install i get the issue that akregator crashes upon shutdown, is this normal? its been like this forever for me... (upon restart i sometimes miss posts since last restart)
[11:43] <stikonas> ScottK: do you know anything about https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344549
[11:43] <stikonas> can't reproduce it here...
[11:44] <sitter> fallout from busted kdesu
[11:45] <sitter> should be fixed by frameworks5.8 and plasma 5.2.1 (or maybe .3?)
[11:45] <sitter> apparently plasma 5.3
[11:46] <stikonas> ok, strange, it works fine here...
[11:46] <stikonas> oh, but I have kdesu, not kdesudo
[11:46] <sitter> that is a kdesu problem
[11:48] <sitter> fixed in plasma 5.2.1 as it turns out
[11:50] <stikonas> oh, ok
[11:50] <stikonas> that's why it works here
[12:14] <sgclark> morning
[12:15] <lordievader> Hey sgclark 
[12:45] <ahoneybun> valorie: thats ok at least it was non serious 
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:12] <Mirv> FYI qtbase 5.4.0 packaging moved to branch qtbase-opensource-src_540 while without suffix moves to 5.4.1. the same will happen for qtdeclarative, since those two are the ones that tend to get the usual load of after-release patches.
[15:13] <Mirv> sitter: ^ did your CI use those branches one way or another?
[15:19] <sitter> Mirv: nope
[15:19] <sitter> I suppose we will at some point, I'll make sure to tell you though ^^
[15:19] <Mirv> ok, just checking since I remember you asking earlier to push bzr branches when you were setting them up
[15:20] <Mirv> there's also the Debian git which mitya57 asked to consider moving to. I'm not doing that right now, though, and there's the ~kubuntu-packagers >> debian pkg-kde
[15:20] <sitter> yeah, I had integration set up, but only temporarily since the tooling is not quite ready
[15:20] <Mirv> although I think mostly I can work as the gateway anyway
[15:22]  * shadeslayer would absolutely love it if people moved to Debian git for Qt :3
[15:23] <sitter> Mirv: notable disadvantage of using git.debian is that not every core-dev has access there. so I suppose for the most part moving there depends on whether you want to play commit gateway for canonical people who don't have push access
[16:06] <Mirv> sitter: yes the coredevs having access is valuable
[16:12] <mitya57> In practice, >90% of our Qt uploads are done by Timo^W pkg-kde members, and for the rest we can keep it in sync manually
[16:18] <Mirv> and that's true too
[17:11] <ovidiu-florin> My first Kubuntu Sprint is about to get started
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> Anyone can join in https://meet.jit.si/KubuntuWebsiteSprint
[17:22] <BluesKaj> heh, FF not allowed :)
[17:22] <ovidiu-florin> really?
[17:22] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj ^
[17:22] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:23] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin,  This application is currently only supported by Chrome, Chromium and Opera
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> I see it now
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> oh......
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> sorry, it works better than Hangouts
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> and it's open source
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> that's why I chose Jitsi
[17:25] <BluesKaj> dunno what it's about anyway :)
[17:25] <PaulW2U> Keep up the good work Kubuntu devs- http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=21496 - :)
[17:27] <soee> hiho
[17:28] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[17:29] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ping
[17:31] <ovidiu-florin> And the Sprint has started
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> Hello world
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> Hello Coby
[17:33] <Coby> hi hi
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> So we're planning to review bukai s Wordpress theme
[17:33] <BluesKaj> any suggestions how to launch system-settings as root? The method: kdesudo systemsettings in the krunner does nothing 
[17:33] <soee> hmm, kubuntu started to freeze zompletely
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> and decide whether to use it or not on our new Kubuntu website
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: do it in Konsole
[17:34] <BluesKaj> tried that ovidiu-florin, no reponse
[17:34] <BluesKaj> response
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> first order of business: Download the WP theme from the active test site http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> and make a repo with it
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> currently I'll make it on my Github Account
[17:37] <BluesKaj> soee, which gpu? , on beta?
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> So the theme is not up at https://github.com/ovidiub13/KubuntuWordpressTheme
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> I made a new repo since Bukai did not answer my email to show me where his repo was
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> I found an account on github under his email address
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> but the repos there had no commit history
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> So I've desided to make a new repo
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> and possibly move it to an official Kubuntu later on
[17:43] <soee> after 2 min system freezez sompletely :/
[17:44] <soee> krunner does not work at all
[17:44] <BluesKaj> soee, beta?
[17:44] <soee> BluesKaj: yes latest upgrades
[17:44] <BluesKaj> ok  which gpu ?
[17:44] <soee> intel, default one
[17:45] <BluesKaj> hmm, the freezes stopped once I upgraded the nvidia driver here
[17:48] <BluesKaj> I haven't installed beta on the laptop yet, which uses the intel gpu with i915 driver
[17:50] <BluesKaj> but I have other things that need attention right now, so I might try the laptop install later, in about 4hrs or so
[17:50] <BluesKaj> ok BBL 
[18:04] <soee_> first plasmashell stops to respond completely
[18:06] <ovidiu-florin> We're writing a report on the site here: https://notes.kde.org/p/KubuntuWebsiteThemeReport
[18:12] <soee> it is impossible to reboot system using ui
[18:22] <soee> Someone on Plasma 5 can confirm if krunner does  not work >
[18:28] <VoltBit> Hello, I am interested in one of the projects KDE proposed for GSoC - porting Ubiquity to Qt. Can someone please point me towards a good first bug or similar little work that I could do in order to gain some experience with this project?
[18:32] <PaulW2U> soee: installing/updating beta 1 now. krunner seems to work, any specific tests you'd like me to make?
[18:33] <Streamstormer> soee: krunner hangs for me after I start a application with it
[18:37] <mparillo> soee: Sometimes on plasma5, the Kickoff menu only shows favorites (i.e. not the Leave tab), but I can always reboot the system using the hamburger (formerly cashew).
[18:37] <BluesKaj> krunner works here but doesn't remember the previous entries in the dropdown, which is very annoying, that was a handy feature
[18:38] <BluesKaj> ok ,back to work ...later 
[18:38] <mparillo> soee: I have used krunner on plasma5, but there are so many special tricks, and I do not know any of them. But, for example after I installed kteatime this morning, I used krunner to get it onto my tray.
[18:43] <soee> well i have it working now but im not sure exactly what fixed it:
[18:43] <Streamstormer> ok krunner does always hang when I start ksysguard .. with other applications it does not hang..
[18:43] <soee> when plasma freezed, i have used seon tty to start new one
[18:44] <soee> but i also emptied .cache and var/cache
[18:44] <soee> krunner works now after reboot
[18:44] <soee> lets see if freezes are gone
[18:45] <soee> Streamstormer: yes krunne rfreees when ksysguard is running, after it is closed we hame warnign message
[18:45] <soee> KDEInit cant run '/usr/bin/ksysguard'
[18:46] <soee> not all 5.2.1 packages are in Vivid yet so lets wait a bit
[18:48] <Streamstormer> soee: no ksysguard starts normal 
[18:48] <Streamstormer> soee: only krunner hangs
[18:49] <soee> that whats i said :)
[18:53] <Streamstormer> soee: oh sry now I see the warning message :) I always killed krunner before I closed ksysguard 
[18:54] <Riddell> hola
[18:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: que pasa
[18:55] <ovidiu-florin> join in
[18:55] <ovidiu-florin> https://meet.jit.si/KubuntuWebsiteSprint
[18:59] <soee> why nvidia-drivers depends on lightdm and it wants to load whole unity desktop ?
[19:00] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: seems to be only me here?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> soee, what did you install first, Ubuintu orKubuntu 
[19:02] <ovidiu-florin> https://notes.kde.org/p/KubuntuWebsiteThemeReport
[19:03] <soee> BluesKaj: it is my Vivid installation, done like 3 weeks ago wrom kubuntu isos
[19:04] <soee> check this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10412940/
[19:04] <Streamstormer> soee: you mean nvida-prime -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1377321
[19:04] <BluesKaj> soee, ok, I chose sddm during the nvidia upgrade
[19:04] <soee> BluesKaj: i have sddm set also and im using it atm
[19:05] <soee> i just wanted to install nvidia driver, but you see what it tries to do :)
[19:05] <BluesKaj> so what's this about lightdm then ?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, I tried to install the nvidia -331 , but the default is obviously the 340 for my 8400GS since that's what apt installed 
[19:10] <soee> BluesKaj: if i try to install this driver it wants to insall lightdm as a dependency and other unity packages
[19:11] <soee> thats the problem, i don't need them, just the driver :)
[19:11] <BluesKaj> weird 
[19:12] <BluesKaj> hmm, I didn't pay much attn, maybe I installed all those unity packages too :p
[19:12] <BluesKaj> I haven't rebooted since
[19:13] <BluesKaj> let me check, brb
[19:13] <Streamstormer> soee: thats a nvidia-prime bug. nvidia-prime does no longer depend on sddm, therefore it wants to install lighdm and that pulls the gnome packages
[19:13] <soee> pff 
[19:14] <Coby> http://getbootstrap.com/
[19:15] <soee> up with bootstrap ?
[19:15] <soee> *sup
[19:19] <BluesKaj> muon shows both lightdm and sddm are installed here, and the login has no unity options
[19:30] <BluesKaj> back to work again..
[19:48] <Quintasan> erm
[19:48] <soee> whats wrong ?
[19:49] <Quintasan> what on earth is this jitsi thing
[19:49] <Quintasan> jesus christ
[19:49] <Quintasan> what's wrong with IRC
[19:49] <BluesKaj> I see init is still default on on beta 1
[19:50] <soee> BluesKaj: and systemd should be ?
[19:50] <BluesKaj> dunno soee :)
[19:50] <BluesKaj> nobody consults me :)
[19:51] <Coby> how can i help you?
[19:51] <Coby> BluesKaj:^
[19:52] <BluesKaj> the devs here think I'm a complainer, so they just ignore me most of the time :)
[19:52] <Quintasan> Well, if you think there is a bug then do file a bug report.
[19:52] <Quintasan> We really can't remember everything you throw at us ;_;
[19:53] <soee> :D
[19:53] <BluesKaj> no kidding , I'm just bored atm 
[19:54] <BluesKaj> kl;'
[19:54] <BluesKaj> oops
[19:54] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: systemd is going to be the default init when the Foundations team decides to do so. It was supposed to hit 15.04 but I guess we're not ready yet.
[19:54] <Quintasan> I would have made the switch if it was up to me but we don't really have the resources to support people using systemd
[19:55] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, that's fine, init is still working ok atm
[19:55] <Quintasan> Well, it worked for god knows how many years, it should keep working until the underlying boot process changes radically.
[19:55] <BluesKaj> I was using systemd in the previous version , and I didn't really notice any difference 
[19:56] <Quintasan> Well, at least it doesn't seem to be a repeat of PulseAudio
[19:56] <Quintasan> You couldn't have possibly used it since the systemd package was crippled.
[19:56] <Quintasan> Hmm.
[19:56] <Quintasan> You could have, I think pitti made a PPA with it.
[19:56] <BluesKaj> yeah, don't get me started on pulse, I don't have the time today :)
[19:56] <rww> He did. It worked fine.
[19:57] <rww> Also, "upstart" is probably a better term than "init" for what we have before systemd.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, well according to ps -p 1 , it was in use 
[19:57] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: Did the meeting end?
[19:57] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: no
[19:57] <ovidiu-florin> you can still join in
[19:58] <Quintasan> Strange, I can't hear anything or see anything
[19:58] <Quintasan> I sometimes even can't access the goddamn page
[19:58] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: http://k.abramowicz.org/kubuntu/ please throw that into the fray
[19:58] <Quintasan> my flatmate put that together today
[19:58] <Quintasan> Maybe it can serve as an inspiration
[20:01] <BluesKaj> ok, stuff to do ... I'lljhave more complaints later :)
[20:01] <ovidiu-florin> we're currently working on a new theme
[20:02] <soee> ;-)
[20:08] <Coby> .
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> So, the sprint is over :D
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> I'll finish writing the report and send it to the mail list
[22:36] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: ping
[22:47] <shadeslayer> sgclark: did you test the KF5 5.7 upgrade?
[22:47] <shadeslayer> like with Plasma 5
[22:47] <sgclark> shadeslayer: sorry been busy with my mail server, I will asap
[22:53] <sgclark> shadeslayer: hmm the only utopic I have is in a chroot and it did not have plasma5... the few that were installed upgraded fine, but in no way a full test. others will have to test...
[22:54] <valorie> folks, please read the kubuntu-devel list
[22:54] <valorie> today's updates leave me unable to login to a kde session
[22:54] <sgclark> valorie: my email is down...
[22:54] <valorie> and I'm not alone
[22:54] <valorie> "can't start ksmserver" basically
[22:55]  * valorie sent mail via the phone
[22:55] <valorie> while I was trying to get this laptop bootable again, which I did! \o/
[22:55] <sgclark> that sounds terrible.. what version of what...
[22:55] <valorie> 14.10, with ppa next
[22:56] <valorie> oh, I'll quote my email, silly me
[22:56] <sgclark> well I guess that answers shadeslayer question...
[22:56] <valorie> "Could not start ksmserver. Check your installation." In a console I checked, and ksmserver is part of kde-workspace-bin, which can't be installed because it needs -data. Trying to install kde-workspace-data will remove things like kubuntu-plasma5-desktop.
[22:56] <valorie> quite a few report the same on kubuntuforum, according to clay
[22:57] <sgclark> ugh, wonder what in frameworks did that..
[23:00] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: pong
[23:01] <ovidiu-florin> is your flatmate willing to do some more work on the website?
[23:01] <valorie> I was feeling a bit downhearted until I got this puter working, now I'm concerned for all those other folks who don't have a fallback puter
[23:02] <sgclark> kde-workspace-bin is qt4.... wth
[23:03] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: He should be here shortly.
[23:03] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: He's willing but he has no idea what we actually need so...more information required
[23:05] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: it's late here
[23:05] <ovidiu-florin> I'll give you more information tomorrow
[23:05] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: There he is
[23:05] <ovidiu-florin> please reply to my lates email so I don't forget
[23:08] <avras> ok, I hope everything will work fine now
[23:08] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[23:08] <avras> so well, hi, I'm Quinta's flatmate
[23:08] <ovidiu-florin> I'll translate and post my blogpost tomorrow
[23:08] <avras> and yeah, I'm willing to do some work on kubuntu's website
[23:08] <ovidiu-florin> avras: hello
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> avras: would you mind we continue this conversation via email? and tomorrow?
[23:09] <avras> (I've been following the discussion via Quintasan a bit)
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> it's very late here, and I have to get up early in the morgning for a very long day
[23:09] <avras> ovidiu-florin, of course :)
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[23:10] <avras> well, basically same here, but Quinta just urged me to join the channel
[23:10] <ovidiu-florin> can you please reply to my email on the Kubuntu-devel list, so I don't foget to give you the dirty details
[23:10] <avras> ok, I'll find that :)
[23:10] <ovidiu-florin> Good night
[23:10] <Quintasan> Night.
[23:10] <avras> Good night
[23:10] <Quintasan> avras: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[23:12] <valorie> so folks, is someone working on fixing 14.10 in the next few hours?
[23:12] <valorie> tomorrow?
[23:12] <Quintasan> valorie: What's the exact error?
[23:12] <Quintasan> It's a version conflict I guess
[23:13] <sgclark> valorie: I deleted them from next, I don't rightly have a freaking clue why kde-workspace-bit (qt4) would be install on a next install. 
[23:13] <sgclark> and I do NOT have time today to figure how and what happned there.
[23:13] <valorie> ok
[23:14] <valorie> Quintasan: I can get to the console on that computer, but not sure how to send text from it
[23:14] <sgclark> I was asked to backport kf5 to utopic. so I did and as usual some crazy wierd chaos happens.
[23:15] <valorie> how does one copy/paste/send to pastebin from a console?
[23:15] <sgclark> kpaste?
[23:15] <valorie> I don't know how to select text though
[23:16] <ScottK> valorie: Install pastebinit.
[23:16] <valorie> perhaps I have pastebinit there
[23:16] <valorie> checking
[23:16] <ScottK> Then you can $whatevercommandyouweredoing | pastebinit and it should all go to a pastebin.
[23:16] <ScottK> Just make sure you aren't going to get anything private first.
[23:17] <valorie> I pasted the precise error message above in the login screen, but not sure
[23:17] <ScottK> sgclark: Is the crazy weird chaos what you're here for?
[23:17] <valorie> what exactly you need
[23:17] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:17] <ScottK> I only have enough context to answer your "how to I paste from the console" question.
[23:17] <sgclark> heh, normally not a prob but my email server is down so a bit stressed
[23:18] <sgclark> http://askubuntu.com/questions/186371/how-to-submit-a-file-to-paste-ubuntu-com-without-graphical-interface
[23:18] <valorie> so what command output would be useful?
[23:18] <valorie> it is installed
[23:18] <Quintasan> valorie: sudo apt-get install kde-workspace-bin
[23:18] <sgclark> no the upgrade...
[23:19] <sgclark> I need the upgrade
[23:19] <sgclark> not ^
[23:19] <sgclark> I dont understand why a next plasma5 install would have qt4 kde-workspace-bin... of course it freaking conflicts. sigh
[23:20] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10416945/
[23:20] <valorie> oh, my original upgrade command?
[23:21] <valorie> but it's done
[23:21] <valorie> doing that anyway
[23:25] <valorie> woah, I'd forgotten how annoying the flickering used to be
[23:26] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10416991/
[23:27] <valorie> wah, that's not helpful I don't think
[23:28] <sgclark> err no, no kf5 packagees there
[23:28] <sgclark> first one needs everything that led to that
[23:29] <sgclark> it by itself is not very meaningful :(
[23:32] <valorie> so, not sure how to access the history file -- it is somewhere, right?
[23:33] <valorie> looking in the kubuntuforum, I don't see the reports clay says are there
[23:33] <Quintasan> /var/log/dpkg.log
[23:33] <valorie> so to send that to pastebinit, do....?
[23:34] <valorie> pastebinit -i /var/log/dpkg.log ?
[23:34] <Quintasan> cat /var/log/dpkg.log | pastebinit
[23:34] <valorie> thanks, Quintasan
[23:35] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10417103/
[23:36] <Quintasan> hmm
[23:36] <Quintasan> Nothing here as well
[23:36] <valorie> :(
[23:37] <Quintasan> Wait, you're running plasma 5 on 14.10?
[23:37] <valorie> yes
[23:37] <valorie> have been for a long time
[23:37] <valorie> working better and better
[23:38] <valorie> maybe it's time to bite the bullet and just upgrade to vivi
[23:38] <valorie> d
[23:38] <valorie> but that still leaves the other p5 testers unable to login
[23:38] <Quintasan> valorie: try doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:39] <valorie> to pastebin?
[23:39] <valorie> I did
[23:39] <Quintasan> no, no need for that
[23:39] <valorie> above
[23:39] <valorie> ok
[23:40] <Quintasan> after that's done try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[23:40] <valorie> no changes suggested
[23:40] <valorie> already the latest version
[23:41] <Quintasan> What happens if you try install kde-workspace-bin now?
[23:41] <valorie> there have been no changes, it will be as above in the first pastebin
[23:43] <valorie> exactly the same
[23:44] <Quintasan> apt-cache policy kde-workspace-bin | pastebinit
[23:44] <Quintasan> For some reason your install is a mix of kf4 and kf5
[23:46] <claydoh> valorie: this is what we are seeing https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67522-Upgrade-to-Plasma-5-2-1&p=367735#post367735
[23:46] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10417305
[23:47] <claydoh> dunno if frameworkintegration is a symptom or not
[23:47] <Quintasan> ...
[23:47] <Quintasan> wait
[23:48] <Quintasan> this is leaving me confused
[23:48] <Quintasan> valorie: apt-cache policy plasma-workspace | pastebinit
[23:50] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10417342/
[23:50] <sgclark> yes I am baffeled @ the mix of kf4 and kf5, that is the problem...
[23:51] <valorie> well, 14.10 is current
[23:51] <valorie> p5 is "on top" so this was expected, correct?
[23:51] <Quintasan> To be frank I have no idea what's the difference between ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next and ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports
[23:51] <Quintasan> The latter has newer builds
[23:51] <valorie> I've not done anything special
[23:52] <valorie> should I ppa-purge backports?
[23:52] <Quintasan> valorie: I'm not sure if that's not going to make things even worse
[23:52] <valorie> ok
[23:52] <claydoh> valorie: from what I recall, one needs both next and next-backports
[23:52] <valorie> and I've had that for weeks if not months
[23:52] <claydoh> unless I was misinfortmed
[23:53] <Quintasan> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10
[23:53] <sgclark> I knew nothing of next-backports... 
[23:53] <valorie> thanks for clarifying, claydoh
[23:53] <Quintasan> Says to add sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
[23:53] <valorie> right, I did that the day I upgraded to 14.10
[23:53] <Quintasan> claydoh and valorie: try ppa-purge backports
[23:53] <Quintasan> and just use ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
[23:53] <Quintasan> Maybe that will help
[23:54] <sgclark> yeah I put the latest frameworks in next so anything in backports will likely conflict
[23:54] <sgclark> tho I deleted them due to these issues.
[23:54] <valorie> what's the exact command I need?
[23:54] <sgclark> I will need to further test local it seems, 
[23:55]  * sgclark hunts for a utopic cd
[23:55] <Quintasan> valorie: sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[23:55] <claydoh> quint
[23:55] <valorie> ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports ?
[23:55] <Quintasan> then sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports
[23:55] <Quintasan> claydoh: Hm?
[23:55] <valorie> I've got it
[23:55] <claydoh> Quintasan: trying now, but that announce was before there was a next-backports ppa
[23:56] <Quintasan> Think about it, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports says the last build was two weeks ago
[23:56] <Quintasan> wait
[23:56] <Quintasan> bloody hell
[23:56] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next?field.series_filter=utopic
[23:56] <Quintasan> this one is even older
[23:56] <claydoh> Quintasan: I had asked, and was told both were needed
[23:56] <Quintasan> @_@
[23:57] <claydoh> do we even know, lol!
[23:57] <valorie> it is downgrading now
[23:57] <valorie> can't be worse
[23:57] <valorie> might be better
[23:57] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[23:57] <valorie> and if that fails, on to vivid
[23:57] <Quintasan> jesus christ this list
[23:58] <claydoh> yikes do I accept the solution??
[23:59] <Quintasan> Okay, I have no effing idea.
[23:59]  * claydoh thinks not - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10417478/
[23:59] <Quintasan> claydoh, valorie: Plasma 5.2.1 was released yesterday, there are no builds which are even remotely close to that