[00:42] shadeslayer for prez! https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67502-moz-plasma-team-PPA [00:55] hey valorie === hue is now known as Guest73762 [06:29] Riddell: sorry for the late responce [06:29] no I didn't know anyything about that [06:30] I see it's up now [06:33] sorry ahoneybun, I was visiting my dad [06:34] took forever tonight for various reasons (non serious) [07:17] good morning [07:18] Hi [09:10] sgclark: upload it whenever you think it's ready to be uploaded [09:10] if it works then go for it [09:17] I'm away today, exploring catalunya [09:23] Riddell: nice [09:24] Good morning. [09:27] Hi, i'm running Kubuntu Trusty, and as of today, i get this error when trying to start several programs: KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/(kate/konsole/akregator/more) [09:27] KDE ver 4.14.2 [09:27] i just did the normal updates as requested by updater [09:28] could anyone help me get to get a functioning system again? [09:31] Riddell: Have you seen the above? I rember having this once on Vivid. [09:31] google has a lot of entries about probs like this but in 2010, they refer to dbus? I did do an upgrade to the kernel today... [09:32] Is dbus running? [09:33] i'm unsure how to check [09:33] ruben-ikmaak: In a terminal: ps aux|grep dbus [09:34] there is a dbus deamon running, and a few others mentioning the name [09:37] is there any other info i could provide? [09:39] if this is due to the recent update, should the channel not be riddled with people asking this question? [09:41] Phaps it happens only in specific cases. [09:43] i will try a reboot in a few minutes, would be bad for me to miss this machine today.... [09:45] for the record, I did updates to 14.10 today, and no such problems [09:45] I've used kate since [09:46] ok, thanks. i cant say i did a lot of special program installs on this machine [09:46] This is about 14.04. [09:47] It could be related to the update to 14.04.2 [09:47] ok, back in a few! [09:49] ok, seems to have solved it. thanks for the help lordievader! [09:50] phew! that was bad timing :P [09:50] How? [09:50] another reboot did it, dunno why [09:51] Hmm... [09:51] but i'm glad [09:51] i was already making contingency plans... [09:54] hmm, while i'm here there are two more things: i make pretty heavy use of akregator, i follow over 80 sites, and those generate about 2000-2400 posts a day. on more than one install i get the issue that akregator crashes upon shutdown, is this normal? its been like this forever for me... (upon restart i sometimes miss posts since last restart) === greyback__ is now known as greyback [11:43] ScottK: do you know anything about https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344549 [11:43] KDE bug 344549 in general "Cannot start System Manager on Vivid by the K Application Menu" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [11:43] can't reproduce it here... [11:44] fallout from busted kdesu [11:45] should be fixed by frameworks5.8 and plasma 5.2.1 (or maybe .3?) [11:45] apparently plasma 5.3 [11:46] ok, strange, it works fine here... [11:46] oh, but I have kdesu, not kdesudo [11:46] that is a kdesu problem [11:48] fixed in plasma 5.2.1 as it turns out [11:50] oh, ok [11:50] that's why it works here [12:14] morning [12:15] Hey sgclark [12:45] valorie: thats ok at least it was non serious === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [14:20] Hey folks [15:12] FYI qtbase 5.4.0 packaging moved to branch qtbase-opensource-src_540 while without suffix moves to 5.4.1. the same will happen for qtdeclarative, since those two are the ones that tend to get the usual load of after-release patches. [15:13] sitter: ^ did your CI use those branches one way or another? [15:19] Mirv: nope [15:19] I suppose we will at some point, I'll make sure to tell you though ^^ [15:19] ok, just checking since I remember you asking earlier to push bzr branches when you were setting them up [15:20] there's also the Debian git which mitya57 asked to consider moving to. I'm not doing that right now, though, and there's the ~kubuntu-packagers >> debian pkg-kde [15:20] yeah, I had integration set up, but only temporarily since the tooling is not quite ready [15:20] although I think mostly I can work as the gateway anyway [15:22] * shadeslayer would absolutely love it if people moved to Debian git for Qt :3 [15:23] Mirv: notable disadvantage of using git.debian is that not every core-dev has access there. so I suppose for the most part moving there depends on whether you want to play commit gateway for canonical people who don't have push access [16:06] sitter: yes the coredevs having access is valuable [16:12] In practice, >90% of our Qt uploads are done by Timo^W pkg-kde members, and for the rest we can keep it in sync manually [16:18] and that's true too [17:11] My first Kubuntu Sprint is about to get started [17:17] Anyone can join in https://meet.jit.si/KubuntuWebsiteSprint [17:22] heh, FF not allowed :) [17:22] really? [17:22] BluesKaj ^ [17:22] yup [17:23] ovidiu-florin, This application is currently only supported by Chrome, Chromium and Opera [17:24] I see it now [17:24] oh...... [17:24] sorry, it works better than Hangouts [17:24] and it's open source [17:24] that's why I chose Jitsi [17:25] dunno what it's about anyway :) [17:25] Keep up the good work Kubuntu devs- http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=21496 - :) [17:27] hiho [17:28] hi soee [17:29] Riddell: ping [17:31] And the Sprint has started [17:33] Hello world [17:33] Hello Coby [17:33] hi hi [17:33] So we're planning to review bukai s Wordpress theme [17:33] any suggestions how to launch system-settings as root? The method: kdesudo systemsettings in the krunner does nothing [17:33] hmm, kubuntu started to freeze zompletely [17:34] and decide whether to use it or not on our new Kubuntu website [17:34] BluesKaj: do it in Konsole [17:34] tried that ovidiu-florin, no reponse [17:34] response [17:35] first order of business: Download the WP theme from the active test site http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/ [17:35] and make a repo with it [17:35] currently I'll make it on my Github Account [17:37] soee, which gpu? , on beta? [17:40] So the theme is not up at https://github.com/ovidiub13/KubuntuWordpressTheme [17:41] I made a new repo since Bukai did not answer my email to show me where his repo was [17:41] I found an account on github under his email address [17:41] but the repos there had no commit history [17:41] So I've desided to make a new repo [17:42] and possibly move it to an official Kubuntu later on [17:43] after 2 min system freezez sompletely :/ [17:44] krunner does not work at all [17:44] soee, beta? [17:44] BluesKaj: yes latest upgrades [17:44] ok which gpu ? [17:44] intel, default one [17:45] hmm, the freezes stopped once I upgraded the nvidia driver here [17:48] I haven't installed beta on the laptop yet, which uses the intel gpu with i915 driver [17:50] but I have other things that need attention right now, so I might try the laptop install later, in about 4hrs or so [17:50] ok BBL [18:04] first plasmashell stops to respond completely [18:06] We're writing a report on the site here: https://notes.kde.org/p/KubuntuWebsiteThemeReport [18:12] it is impossible to reboot system using ui [18:22] Someone on Plasma 5 can confirm if krunner does not work > [18:28] Hello, I am interested in one of the projects KDE proposed for GSoC - porting Ubiquity to Qt. Can someone please point me towards a good first bug or similar little work that I could do in order to gain some experience with this project? [18:32] soee: installing/updating beta 1 now. krunner seems to work, any specific tests you'd like me to make? [18:33] soee: krunner hangs for me after I start a application with it [18:37] soee: Sometimes on plasma5, the Kickoff menu only shows favorites (i.e. not the Leave tab), but I can always reboot the system using the hamburger (formerly cashew). [18:37] krunner works here but doesn't remember the previous entries in the dropdown, which is very annoying, that was a handy feature [18:38] ok ,back to work ...later [18:38] soee: I have used krunner on plasma5, but there are so many special tricks, and I do not know any of them. But, for example after I installed kteatime this morning, I used krunner to get it onto my tray. [18:43] well i have it working now but im not sure exactly what fixed it: [18:43] ok krunner does always hang when I start ksysguard .. with other applications it does not hang.. [18:43] when plasma freezed, i have used seon tty to start new one [18:44] but i also emptied .cache and var/cache [18:44] krunner works now after reboot [18:44] lets see if freezes are gone [18:45] Streamstormer: yes krunne rfreees when ksysguard is running, after it is closed we hame warnign message [18:45] KDEInit cant run '/usr/bin/ksysguard' [18:46] not all 5.2.1 packages are in Vivid yet so lets wait a bit [18:48] soee: no ksysguard starts normal [18:48] soee: only krunner hangs [18:49] that whats i said :) [18:53] soee: oh sry now I see the warning message :) I always killed krunner before I closed ksysguard [18:54] hola [18:55] ovidiu-florin: que pasa [18:55] join in [18:55] https://meet.jit.si/KubuntuWebsiteSprint [18:59] why nvidia-drivers depends on lightdm and it wants to load whole unity desktop ? [19:00] ovidiu-florin: seems to be only me here? [19:01] soee, what did you install first, Ubuintu orKubuntu [19:02] https://notes.kde.org/p/KubuntuWebsiteThemeReport [19:03] BluesKaj: it is my Vivid installation, done like 3 weeks ago wrom kubuntu isos [19:04] check this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10412940/ [19:04] soee: you mean nvida-prime -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1377321 [19:04] Launchpad bug 1377321 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "sddm and nvidia-331 problems if nvidia-331/nvidia-prime is already installed." [Undecided,Confirmed] [19:04] soee, ok, I chose sddm during the nvidia upgrade [19:04] BluesKaj: i have sddm set also and im using it atm [19:05] i just wanted to install nvidia driver, but you see what it tries to do :) [19:05] so what's this about lightdm then ? [19:07] yeah, I tried to install the nvidia -331 , but the default is obviously the 340 for my 8400GS since that's what apt installed [19:10] BluesKaj: if i try to install this driver it wants to insall lightdm as a dependency and other unity packages [19:11] thats the problem, i don't need them, just the driver :) [19:11] weird [19:12] hmm, I didn't pay much attn, maybe I installed all those unity packages too :p [19:12] I haven't rebooted since [19:13] let me check, brb [19:13] soee: thats a nvidia-prime bug. nvidia-prime does no longer depend on sddm, therefore it wants to install lighdm and that pulls the gnome packages [19:13] pff [19:14] http://getbootstrap.com/ [19:15] up with bootstrap ? [19:15] *sup [19:19] muon shows both lightdm and sddm are installed here, and the login has no unity options [19:30] back to work again.. [19:48] erm [19:48] whats wrong ? [19:49] what on earth is this jitsi thing [19:49] jesus christ [19:49] what's wrong with IRC [19:49] I see init is still default on on beta 1 [19:50] BluesKaj: and systemd should be ? [19:50] dunno soee :) [19:50] nobody consults me :) [19:51] how can i help you? [19:51] BluesKaj:^ [19:52] the devs here think I'm a complainer, so they just ignore me most of the time :) [19:52] Well, if you think there is a bug then do file a bug report. [19:52] We really can't remember everything you throw at us ;_; [19:53] :D [19:53] no kidding , I'm just bored atm [19:54] kl;' [19:54] oops [19:54] BluesKaj: systemd is going to be the default init when the Foundations team decides to do so. It was supposed to hit 15.04 but I guess we're not ready yet. [19:54] I would have made the switch if it was up to me but we don't really have the resources to support people using systemd [19:55] Quintasan, that's fine, init is still working ok atm [19:55] Well, it worked for god knows how many years, it should keep working until the underlying boot process changes radically. [19:55] I was using systemd in the previous version , and I didn't really notice any difference [19:56] Well, at least it doesn't seem to be a repeat of PulseAudio [19:56] You couldn't have possibly used it since the systemd package was crippled. [19:56] Hmm. [19:56] You could have, I think pitti made a PPA with it. [19:56] yeah, don't get me started on pulse, I don't have the time today :) [19:56] He did. It worked fine. [19:57] Also, "upstart" is probably a better term than "init" for what we have before systemd. [19:57] Quintasan, well according to ps -p 1 , it was in use [19:57] ovidiu-florin: Did the meeting end? [19:57] Quintasan: no [19:57] you can still join in [19:58] Strange, I can't hear anything or see anything [19:58] I sometimes even can't access the goddamn page [19:58] ovidiu-florin: http://k.abramowicz.org/kubuntu/ please throw that into the fray [19:58] my flatmate put that together today [19:58] Maybe it can serve as an inspiration [20:01] ok, stuff to do ... I'lljhave more complaints later :) [20:01] we're currently working on a new theme [20:02] ;-) [20:08] . [20:40] So, the sprint is over :D [20:40] I'll finish writing the report and send it to the mail list [22:36] Quintasan: ping [22:47] sgclark: did you test the KF5 5.7 upgrade? [22:47] like with Plasma 5 [22:47] shadeslayer: sorry been busy with my mail server, I will asap [22:53] shadeslayer: hmm the only utopic I have is in a chroot and it did not have plasma5... the few that were installed upgraded fine, but in no way a full test. others will have to test... [22:54] folks, please read the kubuntu-devel list [22:54] today's updates leave me unable to login to a kde session [22:54] valorie: my email is down... [22:54] and I'm not alone [22:54] "can't start ksmserver" basically [22:55] * valorie sent mail via the phone [22:55] while I was trying to get this laptop bootable again, which I did! \o/ [22:55] that sounds terrible.. what version of what... [22:55] 14.10, with ppa next [22:56] oh, I'll quote my email, silly me [22:56] well I guess that answers shadeslayer question... [22:56] "Could not start ksmserver. Check your installation." In a console I checked, and ksmserver is part of kde-workspace-bin, which can't be installed because it needs -data. Trying to install kde-workspace-data will remove things like kubuntu-plasma5-desktop. [22:56] quite a few report the same on kubuntuforum, according to clay [22:57] ugh, wonder what in frameworks did that.. [23:00] ovidiu-florin: pong [23:01] is your flatmate willing to do some more work on the website? [23:01] I was feeling a bit downhearted until I got this puter working, now I'm concerned for all those other folks who don't have a fallback puter [23:02] kde-workspace-bin is qt4.... wth [23:03] ovidiu-florin: He should be here shortly. [23:03] ovidiu-florin: He's willing but he has no idea what we actually need so...more information required [23:05] Quintasan: it's late here [23:05] I'll give you more information tomorrow [23:05] ovidiu-florin: There he is [23:05] please reply to my lates email so I don't forget === abrams is now known as avras [23:08] ok, I hope everything will work fine now [23:08] I'm off to bed [23:08] so well, hi, I'm Quinta's flatmate [23:08] I'll translate and post my blogpost tomorrow [23:08] and yeah, I'm willing to do some work on kubuntu's website [23:08] avras: hello [23:09] avras: would you mind we continue this conversation via email? and tomorrow? [23:09] (I've been following the discussion via Quintasan a bit) [23:09] it's very late here, and I have to get up early in the morgning for a very long day [23:09] ovidiu-florin, of course :) [23:09] thank you [23:10] well, basically same here, but Quinta just urged me to join the channel [23:10] can you please reply to my email on the Kubuntu-devel list, so I don't foget to give you the dirty details [23:10] ok, I'll find that :) [23:10] Good night [23:10] Night. [23:10] Good night [23:10] avras: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel [23:12] so folks, is someone working on fixing 14.10 in the next few hours? [23:12] tomorrow? [23:12] valorie: What's the exact error? [23:12] It's a version conflict I guess [23:13] valorie: I deleted them from next, I don't rightly have a freaking clue why kde-workspace-bit (qt4) would be install on a next install. [23:13] and I do NOT have time today to figure how and what happned there. [23:13] ok [23:14] Quintasan: I can get to the console on that computer, but not sure how to send text from it [23:14] I was asked to backport kf5 to utopic. so I did and as usual some crazy wierd chaos happens. [23:15] how does one copy/paste/send to pastebin from a console? [23:15] kpaste? [23:15] I don't know how to select text though [23:16] valorie: Install pastebinit. [23:16] perhaps I have pastebinit there [23:16] checking [23:16] Then you can $whatevercommandyouweredoing | pastebinit and it should all go to a pastebin. [23:16] Just make sure you aren't going to get anything private first. [23:17] I pasted the precise error message above in the login screen, but not sure [23:17] sgclark: Is the crazy weird chaos what you're here for? [23:17] what exactly you need [23:17] ;-) [23:17] I only have enough context to answer your "how to I paste from the console" question. [23:17] heh, normally not a prob but my email server is down so a bit stressed [23:18] http://askubuntu.com/questions/186371/how-to-submit-a-file-to-paste-ubuntu-com-without-graphical-interface [23:18] so what command output would be useful? [23:18] it is installed [23:18] valorie: sudo apt-get install kde-workspace-bin [23:18] no the upgrade... [23:19] I need the upgrade [23:19] not ^ [23:19] I dont understand why a next plasma5 install would have qt4 kde-workspace-bin... of course it freaking conflicts. sigh [23:20] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10416945/ [23:20] oh, my original upgrade command? [23:21] but it's done [23:21] doing that anyway [23:25] woah, I'd forgotten how annoying the flickering used to be [23:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10416991/ [23:27] wah, that's not helpful I don't think [23:28] err no, no kf5 packagees there [23:28] first one needs everything that led to that [23:29] it by itself is not very meaningful :( [23:32] so, not sure how to access the history file -- it is somewhere, right? [23:33] looking in the kubuntuforum, I don't see the reports clay says are there [23:33] /var/log/dpkg.log [23:33] so to send that to pastebinit, do....? [23:34] pastebinit -i /var/log/dpkg.log ? [23:34] cat /var/log/dpkg.log | pastebinit [23:34] thanks, Quintasan [23:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10417103/ [23:36] hmm [23:36] Nothing here as well [23:36] :( [23:37] Wait, you're running plasma 5 on 14.10? [23:37] yes [23:37] have been for a long time [23:37] working better and better [23:38] maybe it's time to bite the bullet and just upgrade to vivi [23:38] d [23:38] but that still leaves the other p5 testers unable to login [23:38] valorie: try doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [23:39] to pastebin? [23:39] I did [23:39] no, no need for that [23:39] above [23:39] ok [23:40] after that's done try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop [23:40] no changes suggested [23:40] already the latest version [23:41] What happens if you try install kde-workspace-bin now? [23:41] there have been no changes, it will be as above in the first pastebin [23:43] exactly the same [23:44] apt-cache policy kde-workspace-bin | pastebinit [23:44] For some reason your install is a mix of kf4 and kf5 === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [23:46] valorie: this is what we are seeing https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67522-Upgrade-to-Plasma-5-2-1&p=367735#post367735 [23:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10417305 [23:47] dunno if frameworkintegration is a symptom or not [23:47] ... [23:47] wait [23:48] this is leaving me confused [23:48] valorie: apt-cache policy plasma-workspace | pastebinit [23:50] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10417342/ [23:50] yes I am baffeled @ the mix of kf4 and kf5, that is the problem... [23:51] well, 14.10 is current [23:51] p5 is "on top" so this was expected, correct? [23:51] To be frank I have no idea what's the difference between ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next and ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports [23:51] The latter has newer builds [23:51] I've not done anything special [23:52] should I ppa-purge backports? [23:52] valorie: I'm not sure if that's not going to make things even worse [23:52] ok [23:52] valorie: from what I recall, one needs both next and next-backports [23:52] and I've had that for weeks if not months [23:52] unless I was misinfortmed [23:53] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10 [23:53] I knew nothing of next-backports... [23:53] thanks for clarifying, claydoh [23:53] Says to add sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next [23:53] right, I did that the day I upgraded to 14.10 [23:53] claydoh and valorie: try ppa-purge backports [23:53] and just use ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next [23:53] Maybe that will help [23:54] yeah I put the latest frameworks in next so anything in backports will likely conflict [23:54] tho I deleted them due to these issues. [23:54] what's the exact command I need? [23:54] I will need to further test local it seems, [23:55] * sgclark hunts for a utopic cd [23:55] valorie: sudo apt-get install ppa-purge [23:55] quint [23:55] ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports ? [23:55] then sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports [23:55] claydoh: Hm? [23:55] I've got it [23:55] Quintasan: trying now, but that announce was before there was a next-backports ppa [23:56] Think about it, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports says the last build was two weeks ago [23:56] wait [23:56] bloody hell [23:56] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next?field.series_filter=utopic [23:56] this one is even older [23:56] Quintasan: I had asked, and was told both were needed [23:56] @_@ [23:57] do we even know, lol! [23:57] it is downgrading now [23:57] can't be worse [23:57] might be better [23:57] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa [23:57] and if that fails, on to vivid [23:57] jesus christ this list [23:58] yikes do I accept the solution?? [23:59] Okay, I have no effing idea. [23:59] * claydoh thinks not - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10417478/ [23:59] claydoh, valorie: Plasma 5.2.1 was released yesterday, there are no builds which are even remotely close to that