[00:00] <mariogrip> okey, so lxc is failig, probobly a bad system.img
[00:00]  * mariogrip cannot spell
[00:03] <jholtom> mariogrip: no, I never did bother
[00:03] <jholtom> can you ship me your patched up hardware/qcom/display somehow?
[00:04] <mariogrip> hehe, i just copyed the include folder to /out/target/product/bacon/obj/KERNEL_OBJ/include
[00:04] <mariogrip> just a lazy method
[00:05] <jholtom> oh lol
[00:05] <jholtom> that works, I'll just go and do that then
[00:05] <jholtom> what kernel source are you using?
[00:08] <mariogrip> oneplus one own kernel
[00:08] <mariogrip> btw it's /out/target/product/bacon/obj/KERNEL_OBJ/usr/include
[00:09] <jholtom> oh, ic
[00:09] <genii> mmm bacon
[00:09] <jholtom> wonder what would happen if I grabbed the sources straight from lg
[00:09] <mariogrip> :P
[00:10] <ChloeWolfieGirl> The OnePlus One is made from bacon? 0.0
[00:10] <mariogrip> Yes, it uses eggs as battery
[00:10] <ChloeWolfieGirl> It sounds like a whole british breakfast xD
[00:11] <mariogrip> hehe, it's Chinese!
[00:11] <mariogrip> :P
[00:11] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Wheres the rice? :P
[00:13] <mariogrip> rice is the antenna
[00:13] <mariogrip> :)
[00:13] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Thats one fanci phone
[00:14] <mariogrip> Jup!
[00:15] <jholtom> lg has some funky build processes
[00:16]  * ChloeWolfieGirl pretends to know how phones and build processes work
[00:16] <jholtom> thats ok
[00:16] <jholtom> you'll learn
[00:16] <mariogrip> why, cannot they use the tools that google provides... and use stander android tree
[00:17] <jholtom> mariogrip: they do
[00:17] <jholtom> but for the g3
[00:17] <jholtom> they bastardize the hammerhead dev tree
[00:17] <jholtom> and just patch it
[00:17] <jholtom> so when I want to build an 'LG AOSP'
[00:17] <jholtom> I run a lunch aosp_hammerhead-userdebug
[00:17] <jholtom> and then make
[00:17] <jholtom> and grab from the generic folder in out
[00:17] <jholtom> for the g3
[00:18] <jholtom> wtf
[00:18] <mariogrip> ah! so they just coped lol
[00:20] <jholtom> wonder how it'll work when I drop it into the ubuntu tree
[00:21] <mariogrip> just delete hammerhead
[00:22] <mariogrip> or replace
[00:22] <jholtom> well...
[00:22] <jholtom> i'm supposed to 'merge' them
[00:22] <mariogrip> yeah
[00:22] <jholtom> eh, we'll see what happens
[00:22] <jholtom> oh dear, some kid wants to add me on LinkedIN
[00:22] <mariogrip> xP
[00:23] <jholtom> 11 years old is too young, yo
[00:23] <mariogrip> lol
[00:23] <jholtom> how you doing mariogrip?
[00:24] <mariogrip> doing good :) you?
[00:25] <mariogrip> just trying to find out why my lxc issnt working!
[00:31] <jholtom> oh my god.
[00:31] <jholtom> WHAT THE FUCK LG
[00:32] <jholtom> is that really ok?
[00:32] <mariogrip> ?
[00:33] <jholtom> their source just uses the hammerhead for everything
[00:33] <jholtom> and then I manually patch everything else
[00:34] <jholtom> maybe I'm overreacting
[00:34] <jholtom> but basically lg's source release for the g3
[00:34] <jholtom> is using the hammerhead
[00:34] <jholtom> and just calling it good
[00:34] <mariogrip> :P
[00:35] <jholtom> so...in theory
[00:35] <jholtom> I should be able to boot the hammerhead image
[00:35] <jholtom> if I patch up the kernel a tad
[00:35] <mariogrip> Yeah!
[00:36] <jholtom> there is just so much wrong with that
[00:37] <jholtom> at least, its easy
[00:38] <mariogrip> lol
[00:40] <mariogrip> I hope oneplus two will not be a cyanogenmod phone
[00:40] <mariogrip> after all that shit they did!
[00:42] <mariogrip> I used to like cyanogenmod, but after all shit they said and done. i don't really want to support them...
[00:42] <mariogrip> and fucking microsoft is helping them to take over android!
[00:43] <mariogrip> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/microsoft-to-invest-in-cyanogen-hopes-to-take-android-away-from-google/
[00:47] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I dont think it will, they're trying to move away by creating oxygen OS
[00:47] <mariogrip> Yeah, and i'm so glad for that!
[00:48] <mariogrip> I hope cyaogenmod and microsoft fails so badly! they will cry alone with there nokia phones!
[00:49]  * ahoneybun is happy that cynogenmod is there
[00:51]  * mariogrip was glad, after he read the news....
[00:51] <jholtom> all done with them
[00:51] <jholtom> I don't really like oneplus either, tbh
[00:51] <mariogrip> i'm so glad we have wonderful company like canonical.
[00:51] <jholtom> ....
[00:51] <jholtom> I really struggle with canonical
[00:52] <mariogrip> Meh, without them we didn't have a awesome os! them me and my gf uses
[00:52] <mariogrip> that*
[00:52] <jholtom> 'awesome'
[00:52] <jholtom>  oh well
[00:52] <mariogrip> :)
[00:52] <jholtom> I live in the past, I guess...I don't agree with many of their design decision
[00:54] <mariogrip> I got used to it really quickly. it snappy and fast. i have noting bad to say about it
[00:54] <nexusnoob> hi everyone. should DualBootInstallation work with an encrypted nexus 4?
[00:54] <jholtom> nexusnoob: probably not
[00:55] <nexusnoob> it installs but i can not boot, stuck at google logo
[00:55]  * ahoneybun like KDE
[00:55] <mariogrip> I guess encrypted don't even work in normal installation of ubuntu phone
[00:56] <nexusnoob> ok, but then where is the installer app putting stuff? could i move it to an unencrypted part or so?
[00:56]  * mariogrip thinks that too :) but unity best issn't it?
[00:57] <mariogrip> to /data inside a image file
[00:57]  * ChloeWolfieGirl likes unity and gnome
[00:57] <mariogrip> system.img
[00:57] <jholtom> data is encrypted
[00:57] <jholtom> therefore
[00:57] <jholtom> it can't grab it
[00:57] <jholtom> and it'll just sorta hang
[00:57] <mariogrip> yes
[00:57] <nexusnoob> ok, makes sense
[00:58] <nexusnoob> maybe this could be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation ?
[01:20] <mariogrip> but, what does like the device fales to boot
[01:21] <mariogrip> gps, i guess that is not needed to boot
[01:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I wouldnt assume the need for gps to boot
[01:22] <mariogrip> yeah, that why i think is kinda weird that that is stopping the device for booting
[01:24] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Its strange but not imposible
[01:25] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I can't think of anything that ubuntu-location could be other then gps and other location services, but nore do I think it should be requried to boot
[01:25] <mariogrip> I will take a closer look at the log, maybe there is some thing hidden
[01:26] <ChloeWolfieGirl> perhaps, perhaps ubuntu-location could be something that points some sort of boot command to a  certain location in the file system?
[01:28] <mariogrip> Yeah, maybe.
[01:31] <mariogrip> as launchpad says: "A location service aggregating position/velocity/heading updates and exporting them over dbus."
[01:31] <mariogrip> so, i guess it's gps
[01:32] <mariogrip> Then, i have no idea why it's blocking the boot progress
[01:32] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Thats strange...
[01:36] <mariogrip> looks like the ubuntu irc server are unstable...
[01:37] <jholtom> its...not ubuntu's irc server.
[01:37] <jholtom> this is freenode
[01:37] <mariogrip> no, they have some always on server
[01:37] <mariogrip> s
[01:38] <jholtom> um, no
[01:38] <jholtom> this channel is on freenode
[01:38] <mariogrip> something like this https://www.irccloud.com
[01:39] <jholtom> yeah, a bouncer
[01:39] <mariogrip> see
[01:39] <jholtom> that would be a freenode server decoupling from the network
[01:39] <jholtom> not a bouncer going out
[01:40] <jholtom> "In computer networking, specifically Internet Relay Chat (IRC), netsplit is the disconnection of a given node from the previously established network or between two nodes"
[01:40] <jholtom> thats part of freenode, not their bouncer
[01:40] <ChloeWolfieGirl> oh gosh its just getting worse
[01:40] <mariogrip> ah, i got it
[01:40] <mariogrip> msg
[01:40] <mariogrip> omg
[01:40] <jholtom> its just freenode, chill
[01:44] <mariogrip> 'ubuntu-location-service' (instance '') hit respawn limit - rebooting
[01:46] <ChloeWolfieGirl> what?
[01:46] <mariogrip> that's what making so the device is not booting
[03:17] <jakew02> mariogrip, so, -0 didn't work :
[03:17] <jakew02> :\
[03:17] <mariogrip> humm
[03:23] <mariogrip> Good night guys! cya all tomorrow :)
[03:25] <AskUbuntu> Am I to submit bug reports for Ubuntu core apps to launchpad.net | http://askubuntu.com/q/589585
[04:57] <AskUbuntu> Changes to fstab overwritten after reboot. Ubuntu Touch 15.04 (r1) on a Nexus 7 (2013) | http://askubuntu.com/q/589622
[06:49] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntuphone--> Android-Apps | http://askubuntu.com/q/589650
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <rpadovani> o/
[09:05] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/ could you ping me when you have 10 minutes to talk about the search engines model? :-)
[09:17] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, let’s talk about it now
[09:18] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, thanks :-) So, you asked me to change the implementation I pushed on lp to inherit the class from QFileSystemModel to avoid to implement setData()
[09:18] <rpadovani> I tried during the weekend, but QFileSystemModel returns a QTree, and qml doesn't read it
[09:19] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, so I think it add difficult have an inheritance from QFileSystemModel, and I don't think is the best way to go, but I wuould like to hear your opinion
[09:20] <rpadovani> actual implementation is here: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/webbrowser-app/searchenginesmodel/view/head:/src/app/webbrowser/searchengines-model.cpp
[09:23] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, I guess that works too, although I’m pretty sure it could be made to inherit from QFileSystemModel (my original point was not to avoid implementing setData(), but that the model would update itself automatically when files are added/removed from the directory)
[09:24] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, with your implementation, if the contents of the directory change after the model has been loaded, the changes won’t be reflected, and the model will be outdated
[09:24] <oSoMoN> but I guess it would be good enough for a first implementation, we can revisit later
[09:25] <AskUbuntu> Installing Ubuntu touch on Virtual device | http://askubuntu.com/q/589691
[09:26] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, actually, it reflects changes to the directory, like a new file, because I added the signal
[09:27] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, about the inheritance from QFileSystemModel, I need to add a function to convert from QTree to QList to have a model for qml
[09:28] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, what it misses now is a filter for xml files (added locally) and, well, all about settings, like save the default one, use what user choose, and so on
[09:29] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, I’m not seeing any signal connection to update the model when the contents of the directory change?
[09:29] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, line 48 connect(m_dir, SIGNAL(directoryLoaded(QString)), this, SLOT(onDirectoryLoaded()));
[09:30] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, the documentation for directoryLoaded says "This signal is emitted when the gatherer thread has finished to load the path.", it doesn’t say that it will be emitted again when the contents of the dir change
[09:36] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, yes, I see, I don't find the documentation that explains why, but it works
[09:36] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, interesting, then that’s all good :)
[09:38] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, talking about the branch, do you want it includes all about the management of search engine or it has to be only for the model, so I add the filters and it's done?
[09:39] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, just the model will be enough in that branch
[09:41] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, ok cool :-) Thanks for your time! btw, I see you're quite busy in these days, do you prefer I take a break from webbrowser until you have more time, or is it ok?
[09:42] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, it’s ok, but I’m rather busy indeed, I’m not keeping up with all your MRs very well lately, I’ll try to be more diligent about reviewing them this week
[09:43] <rpadovani> great, ty!
[09:53] <seb128> oSoMoN, hey
[09:54] <seb128> oSoMoN, could you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/gallery-app/some-translations-tweaks/+merge/236511 (or https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/gallery-app/update-translations-template/+merge/247395 not sure why I've both, depends if you like the X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack or not)
[09:54] <oSoMoN> seb128, just a sec, I’ll take a look
[09:54] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[09:56] <oSoMoN> seb128, so only one of the two is needed, does the gallery app really ship its translations in langpacks?
[09:57] <oSoMoN> (if so I guess the first MR should go)
[09:58] <seb128> oSoMoN, it doesn't atm but we do that for e.g system settings, it means that you get the template updated on the ubuntu side during the package build, which means you don't get those outdated template issues where you need a manual refresh
[09:58] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Inconvenience Yourself Day! :-D
[09:59] <oSoMoN> seb128, does it mean that langpacks will start shipping translations for gallery-app though?
[09:59] <seb128> dpm, ^ can you help?
[10:00]  * dpm reads backlog
[10:01] <seb128> dpm, if we add X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack to gallery-app, does it mean it starts being in langpacks? I did those changes a while ago and I don't remember exactly why now, I think it's to get the template update coming from the ubuntu package and avoiding manual refresh commits to trunk
[10:03] <oSoMoN> seb128, btw, for webbrowser-app what I do is that I manually update the template when required and push the update directly to trunk (and afaik we do it for a few other apps too), so while not great because it’s a manual process, it doesn’t involve going through CI just for a template update
[10:03] <oSoMoN> seb128, if you’re fine with it, I can do that now for gallery-app
[10:03] <dpm> seb128, yeah, X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack is needed for universe packages. It tells LP explicitly that translations should be stripped and imported
[10:04] <seb128> oSoMoN, reality is that "delete a photo" is untranslated because the template is outdated and https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/gallery-app/update-translations-template is waiting since january and still not commited, the system obviously doesn't work
[10:04] <dpm> otherwise, if gallery-app were in main, it wouldn't be needed
[10:04] <dpm> as translations would be imported anyway
[10:04] <seb128> dpm, well, do we want it in langpack is the question from oSoMoN I think
[10:05] <oSoMoN> seb128, ack, but I think the problem here is different, there should be someone owning the gallery-app MRs and ensuring they don’t bitrot (I’ll check with Bill who that someone should be)
[10:06] <seb128> oSoMoN, right, but we could also not have to worry about updating the template and let lp does it for us :-)
[10:06] <seb128> which is orthogonal, but still one less manual thing to do
[10:06] <oSoMoN> seb128, agreed
[10:07] <seb128> oSoMoN, anyway, please ack one of those changes, whichever you prefer, so we can get those strings translated :-)
[10:07] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[10:07] <dpm> seb128, I'm in two minds about this: I like the automation of the template updates, but translations are delivered after a delay (whenever we update langpacks). And for translations managed upstream, the template needs manual update, but the translations themselves are committed daily and up-to-date. I think the langpack infrastructure needs some improvements, but we should probably still recommend it to be able to control over which languages are shipp
[10:07] <dpm> ed and how much space is used in the images
[10:08] <dpm> oSoMoN, ^
[10:09] <oSoMoN> seb128, let me push the template update to trunk like I do for webbrowser-app then, you will get the update sooner
[10:09] <seb128> oSoMoN, shrug, I've one of my branches doing that, do you plan to just discard to redo that yourself?
[10:09] <seb128> oSoMoN, can't you just approve the branch which is waiting?
[10:10] <oSoMoN> seb128, I can, but then it has to go through the whole ci train process just to land the update
[10:10] <oSoMoN> seb128, I don’t mean to invalidate your work, I just want to get the result in your hands faster
[10:10] <seb128> oSoMoN, well you can just approve and I'm easy to commit/push myself
[10:11] <seb128> I'm happy*
[10:11] <seb128> but as you want
[10:11] <seb128> no need to go through CI
[10:11] <oSoMoN> seb128, sure, if you have rights to push to lp:gallery-app, then please go ahead
[10:11] <oSoMoN> let me approve the MR
[10:11] <seb128> thanks
[10:12] <oSoMoN> seb128, actually, the template is still outdated… you will need to rebase it on the latest trunk
[10:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, yeah, I just did that
[10:13] <oSoMoN> seb128, which branch?
[10:14] <mandel> Elleo, I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/test-space-left/+merge/249093 it should be working as expected now, I was not parsing the output correctly and it would not use the value from --size. Should be fixed now.
[10:16] <oSoMoN> seb128, nevermind, I had approved the other one, it was outdated, let me approve the one with the langpack chanegs
[10:16] <oSoMoN> changes
[10:16] <seb128> oSoMoN, just commit manually, it's going to be easier :-)
[10:17] <seb128> I was going to merge/copy the updated pot over the one you approved
[10:17] <seb128> oSoMoN, but let's just get that done, it's a minor one :-)
[10:18] <oSoMoN> seb128, done
[10:18] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks!
[10:18] <oSoMoN> (sorry that it took so long and so much energy just to do this trivial thing)
[10:19] <seb128> dpm, thanks
[10:19] <oSoMoN> seb128, I marked your two branches rejected now
[10:19] <seb128> oSoMoN, not your fault, thanks for getting it in, that was waiting since octobre :/ (my fault as well, you reviewed it by then but asked me to rebase on trunk and that slipped through)
[10:19] <seb128> oSoMoN, k
[10:36] <dannythed> hi
[10:36] <dannythed> i already ordered my aquaris 4.5 ubuntu edition ofc, now it didnt arrive yet :) i wonder if the app store is reachable via http?
[10:36] <dannythed> just to have a look :D
[10:40] <popey> there is an unofficial app store web front end
[10:40] <popey> https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps
[10:40] <dannythed> rofl @ ikea app
[10:40] <dannythed> hahahahahah
[10:42] <dannythed> looks nice
[11:51] <AskUbuntu> Video not played on my nexus 5 ubuntu | http://askubuntu.com/q/589740
[11:58] <alita> hi all!
[11:59] <silb> hello :)
[12:01] <alita> I have a question about ubuntu touch: is there any kind of encryption availabe for phone's persistent memory?
[12:03] <Elleo> mandel: okay, I'm on holiday the rest of this week, but I'll try and find a spare minute to retest later today
[12:05] <silb> has anybode managed to install ubuntu touch on the samsung galaxy s4?
[12:24] <jgdx> Elleo, have a great time off :)
[12:25] <Elleo> jgdx: thanks :)
[13:20] <g105b> How long did the bq phone take to sell out last sale?
[13:22] <ogra_> early afternoon iirc
[13:23] <g105b> I'm going to grab one as soon as it comes on sale, developing an app and want to target Ubuntu.
[13:23] <popey> g105b: super
[13:24] <g105b> I read something ages ago that it would be possible to run Android apps in some sort of wrapper? Can't find any mention of this magic feature anywhere now.
[13:25] <ogra_> not really
[13:26] <ogra_> you would need some proprietary wrapper like the one jolla uses
[13:28] <g105b> never mind, I don't like middleware.
[13:44] <ogra_> pitti, so your last comment on the LD_PRELOAD thread kind of says we can never run systemd based installs on any of our phones ... i wonder if anyone is aware of that yet
[13:45] <pitti> well, at some point our set of supported phones is going to get non-ancient kernels?
[13:46] <pitti> (that might still be some years out, of course)
[13:46] <ogra_> pitti, not within the next few years, yeah
[13:47] <pitti> ogra_: yeah, that's why I mentioned it (some people might not be aware)
[13:47] <ogra_> i surely wasnt
[13:47] <ogra_> 3.4 is kind of a quasi standard on kitkat devices ... most of them use it i guess
[13:48] <pitti> OOI, when  did that get the last security update?
[13:48] <ogra_> and we wont move to android 5.0 if there isnt a customer for it i guess
[13:48] <ogra_> the kernels we ship got all at least one review from the kernel and security teams
[13:49] <ogra_> they should be fine
[13:49] <ogra_> (security wise)
[13:50] <pitti> ogra_: that's why I didn't really put any rush into systemd-ifying the phone, beyond the initial "gets to unity8"
[13:50] <pitti> now, I don't know which features we are missing/issues we have with trying to run systemd on 3.4, I haven't ried yet
[13:50] <ogra_> well, we wont even be able to use that anywahere then
[13:56] <ogra_> pitti, i'd say back tro sysv then :)
[13:57] <pitti> ogra_: yes, that's what we need, supporting a third init system :)
[13:57] <ogra_> init=/bin/dash
[13:57] <ogra_> !!
[13:57] <pitti> ^5s
[13:57] <ogra_> :)
[13:58] <pitti> sergiusens: I hate to nag, but any chance the emulator could get fixed for devel-proposed? (bug 1423459)
[13:58] <pitti> as soon as we get another promotion, we'll again will be emulator-less, and current devel is already too old to be sensibly testable
[13:59] <ogra_> and there has to be a new promotion soon
[13:59] <ogra_> we're switching all focus to vivid now
[13:59] <ogra_> rtm is in "quasi maintenance" mode
[13:59] <ogra_> (until we sync a stable vivid into it)
[14:00] <pitti> ogra_: btw, my mako has run vivid-proposed until yesterday, I'm proud :)
[14:01] <ogra_> heh, you are definitely brave :)
[14:01] <pitti> and so far it has only wiped the contacts from my owncloud server, and annoyed me with a few necessary reboots because mobile data went down adn didn't come back
[14:01] <pitti> but I managed to find replacements for my most crucial apps
[14:02] <pitti> porting google authenticator keys from the android app was fun :)
[14:02] <ogra_> there is a bahn app btw
[14:02] <ogra_> doesnt allow tickets though
[14:03] <ogra_> and iirc the train radar should work in the browser
[14:03] <pitti> ogra_: yeah, I installed the pdf.js program to view the PDF ticket; going to try it on Friday :)
[14:04] <ogra_> oh, i find docviewer a lot better for pdf's
[14:04] <pitti> ogra_: I tried that first, but it doesn't zoom
[14:04] <pitti> so it's useless for this purpose
[14:04] <ogra_> ah
[14:04] <ogra_> yeah
[14:04] <pitti> pdf.js is dog slow (unsurprisingly), but has zoom
[14:04] <ogra_> buut using poppler is a lot less demanding :)
[14:04] <ogra_> right
[14:09] <pitti> ogra_: so while I'm at home and online I'm mostly good now, I think; I'll keep android for travelling and being abroad (offline)
[14:09] <pitti> I'm also missing a good email client, but that's not a big blocker
[14:10] <ogra_> did you try dekko yet ?
[14:10] <pitti> yes, of course
[14:10] <pitti> but that still has some way to go
[14:10] <ogra_> and you dont like it ?
[14:10] <popey> pitti: docviewer does zoom
[14:10] <popey> but we haven't landed it yet
[14:10] <popey> :)
[14:10] <pitti> popey: ah, that explains it :) but good to know that it's coming!
[14:11] <pitti> ogra_: no offline mode, no folder subscription, no mass sync (and that requires folder subscription), and no thread view :(
[14:11] <popey> patches welcome :)
[14:11] <pitti> ogra_: but oh well, it's "beta"; and it made a lot of progress since the last time, which is nice
[14:11] <sergiusens> pitti: just log into one.ubuntu.com and get new keys using the camera in the auth app ;-)
[14:12] <pitti> sergiusens: heh, I have quite some more :) (sudo and ssh on my server, bitcoin.de, google, etc.)
[14:12] <pitti> sergiusens: but transferring the keys isn't so bad
[14:12] <ogra_> pitti, yeah ... make sure to let DanChapman know about your reqs. ... took a while but we recently got support for multipart signed messages ... which was my biggest blocker :)
[14:12] <pitti> http://dan.hersam.com/tools/gen-qr-code.html is really handy
[14:13] <pitti> you type in the key etc., and it generates a QR code
[14:13] <pitti> (locally/offline, of course, not on the server)
[14:13] <sergiusens> pitti: and emulator speak, I'm not aware of directly breaking it myself; but I can look; it's a vivid issue right? ogra_ does it work on your trusty install?
[14:13] <pitti> ogra_: yup, filed a bug today about offline mode, and there are bugs about thread view and folder subscription already
[14:13] <ogra_> sergiusens, i havent started the emulator in 2-3months now :)
[14:13] <ogra_> i'll have to check
[14:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: just create, no need to start :-)
[14:13] <pitti> sergiusens: could be; creating devel works, devel-proposed fails on that weird mount issue
[14:15] <pitti> ogra_: wow -- you always brick a hw phone?
[14:15]  * pitti really likes the emulator, so much less hassle for messing around
[14:16] <pitti> and big thanks to sergiusens for it!
[14:20] <mterry> jibel, in bug 1425161, you say you reproduced.  Can you talk about your SIM state at the time?
[14:21] <jibel> mterry, what do you mean by SIM state?
[14:21] <mterry> jibel, did you have a SIM in, how many, which slots
[14:21] <jibel> mterry, 2 SIMs (1 per slot) both locked with a 4 digit PIN code
[14:22] <ogra_> pitti, how would i brick it .... ? as long as flashing works all is fine :)
[14:22] <ogra_> i havent managed to break a bootloader yet :)
[14:22] <pitti> I brick it all the time
[14:23] <pitti> well, I consider making it r/w and changing the root fs as "bricking"
[14:23] <ogra_> i just make it rw in rare occasions ... and usually only while i dpkg -i or while i edit a specific file
[14:24] <ogra_> sudo mount -o remount,rw /; do stuff; sudo mount -o remount,ro /
[14:24] <ogra_> that way it doesnt really break
[14:58] <mterry> jibel, still can't reproduce  :(  So you have two SIMs inserted, and you still get prompted that you don't have a SIM?
[14:59] <mterry> Oh!  Not that you don't have a SIM.  You get the "choose your PIN" page?  I'm confused exactly what you see (is the language page still there, just afterwards?)
[14:59] <mterry> OH OH
[14:59] <mterry> You see the page to unlock your SIM
[14:59] <mterry> OK
[14:59] <mterry> That makes sense now
[14:59] <jibel> mterry, I see the SIM PIN unlock page before the language page
[15:00] <jibel> mterry, language should come first
[15:00] <mterry> jibel, I'm a dumb American and we don't have SIM PINs  :)
[15:00] <mterry> jibel, I get it now though
[15:00] <jibel> mterry, that and your default language is English ;)
[15:04] <jgdx> pitti, ping
[15:05] <jgdx> pitti, get to take a look at that email I sent you? :)
[15:06] <pitti> jgdx: not yet, sorry, backlogged; I'll get to it ASAP
[15:06] <jgdx> pitti, awesome, thanks!
[15:47] <OerHeks> new sale announcement https://twitter.com/bqreaders
[16:35] <rhuddie> renatu, hello, could I get a review from you for my small mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/address-book-app/avatar-objectname/+merge/250940
[16:35] <renatu> rhuddie, approved
[16:36] <rhuddie> renatu, thank you . this is so that we can add a photo to a contact in autopilot test.
[16:36] <renatu> nice
[16:37] <rhuddie> renatu, is there anything else needed for landing?
[16:38] <renatu> rhuddie, bfiller need to ask for a silo, but I think the landing is blocked these days
[16:38] <renatu> bfiller, could you add it to silo 27 ^^
[16:42] <Verc> Hi :)
[16:43] <Verc> I've got a question. Where can I find what's new in Ubuntu Touch 15.04?
[16:45] <mariogrip> Verc: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[16:46] <Verc> whoa, so many of them
[16:46] <Verc> I think I will stay with the current stable version
[16:46] <Verc> yet I am eager to know what they plan to introduce in UT 15.04
[16:48] <ogra_> Verc, get a nexus4 and try yourself ;)
[16:48] <Verc> I've got one :P
[16:49] <Verc> but I've chosen "stable" channel and I'm afraid that flashing "devel" could destroy my settings, photos, music and other data
[16:51] <bfiller> renatu: yes I can add that
[16:51] <ogra_> you can log in via adb (enable developer mode) and use sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/devel that wont touch your user data
[16:51] <mariogrip> Hey ogra_! is ubuntu-location required for mir to start?
[16:51] <ogra_> mariogrip, nope
[16:52] <ogra_> mariogrip, didnt you have a spinner on screen already ?
[16:52] <ogra_> that would mean Mir starts just fine
[16:52] <Verc> @ogra, and how to return tu stable? change "*/devel" tp "*/stable" ?
[16:52] <mariogrip> nope, no spin screen
[16:52] <mariogrip> 'ubuntu-location-service' (instance '') hit respawn limit - rebooting
[16:53] <mariogrip> the ubuntu-location-service is rebooting my device :P
[16:53] <ogra_> Verc, yes, but stable is usually horridly outdated and behind anyway ...
[16:54] <ogra_> mariogrip, just remove the jobs from /etc/init then to not have it do that :)
[16:54] <Verc> ok @ogra_ I'm coming with devel
[16:54] <mariogrip> ogra_ i did that
[16:54] <ogra_> then it shouldnt start anymore
[16:55] <ogra_> (unless there is some session job as well, check in /usr/share/upstart/sessions/ )
[16:59] <mariogrip> Okey, now that's out the way, i get this... 'lightdm' (instance '') hit respawn limit - rebooting
[16:59] <ogra_> ok, thats serious :)
[17:00] <mariogrip> And i need lightdm :O
[17:00] <ogra_> is your container up and running ?
[17:00] <mariogrip> yes
[17:00] <mariogrip> i can check logcat
[17:00] <mariogrip> for errors
[17:00] <ogra_> and you can enter it with lxc-console -nandroid -t0 ?
[17:01] <Verc> ogra
[17:01] <Verc> how to ensure that telephone is in developer mode/
[17:01] <Verc> ?
[17:02] <mariogrip> ogra_ yes Connected to tty 0
[17:02] <Verc> fastboot devices?
[17:02] <mariogrip> root@bacon:/ #  mmm bacon
[17:02] <ogra_> Verc, adb devices (you need the android-tools-adb package installed on your PC)
[17:03] <ogra_> mariogrip, well, that sounds fine then ... are you sure you have all GLES drivers in place and all ?
[17:03] <mariogrip> E/UpstartPropertyWatcher( 1384): Failed to connect socket for '/dev/socket/upstart-text-bridge' on fd 7 (2 [No such file or directory])
[17:03] <mariogrip> from logcar
[17:03] <ogra_> yeah, not good
[17:04] <ogra_> you might be missing kernel options
[17:04] <ogra_> did you use janimo's config checker script ?
[17:04] <mariogrip> yes
[17:05] <Verc> sudo: system-image-cli: command not found :<
[17:05] <ogra_> Verc, you are logged into the phone ?
[17:06] <Verc> I don't know xD
[17:06] <Verc> adb devises shows the device
[17:06] <Verc> List of devices attached  059744651bca358c	device
[17:06] <ogra_> did you do "adb shell" then ?
[17:06] <Verc> no, thanks <3
[17:07] <Verc> adm shell error closed
[17:07] <Verc> *adb
[17:11] <Verc> ok it works
[17:11] <Verc> i've had to unlock the screen
[17:12] <Verc> i've typed "sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/devel
[17:13] <mariogrip> ogra_ here is my kernel config btw: https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one/android_kernel_oneplus_one/blob/master/arch/arm/configs/cyanogenmod_bacon_defconfig
[17:13] <ogra_> it will silently download a new image and cross-gade you
[17:13] <ogra_> *grade
[17:13] <Verc> I've typed "sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/devel" and then typed password (the one from my telephone) and nothing happens
[17:13] <Verc> ok
[17:14] <Verc> sorry, I have not seen your reply :)
[17:16] <mariogrip> btw, it failed to compile with: CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_CONNBYTES
[17:16] <oSoMoN> om26er, hey I commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1425598
[17:16] <om26er> oSoMoN, looking.
[17:17] <om26er> oSoMoN, did you test on rtm or vivid-proposed ?
[17:18] <oSoMoN> om26er, that’s on vivid proposed (latest image on krillin)
[17:19] <om26er> oSoMoN, interesting, I opened that site for the first time only to not see any warning dialog.
[17:19] <om26er> dialog/page
[17:19] <oSoMoN> om26er, can you reliably reproduce the issue?
[17:19] <Verc> @ogra_ the "devel" channel meant the 15.04?
[17:19] <ogra_> yes
[17:19] <Verc> *means
[17:19] <Verc> ok
[17:19] <om26er> oSoMoN, let me factory reset device and i'll get back to you. Doing that now.
[17:20] <ogra_> after it rebooted you should see 15.04 in the system-settings
[17:20] <oSoMoN> om26er, ok
[17:20] <oSoMoN> om26er, btw (and unrelated), all webbrowser-app CI runs have been failing lately, even though most of the time all the sub-jobs all succeed, see an example failure here: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/webbrowser-app-ci/1489/console
[17:20] <oSoMoN> om26er, can you advise on what the problem is?
[17:21] <om26er> oSoMoN, let me look into it.
[17:22] <Verc> @ogra_ it's over and the telephone has not rebooted
[17:23] <om26er> oSoMoN, confirmed, on image 122 that site opened without any warning
[17:24] <oSoMoN> om26er, not seeing that on 121, let me upgrade and test again
[17:26] <oSoMoN> om26er, not seeing that on 122 either, I’m getting the warning
[17:28] <Verc> @ogra_ I've rebooted it and it's still 14.10 (r15)
[17:28] <ogra_> try: adb reboot recovery
[17:28] <om26er> oSoMoN, what could be causing that ?
[17:28] <ogra_> it should flash then ...
[17:28] <oSoMoN> om26er, no idea
[17:29] <oSoMoN> om26er, just to prove you what I’m seeing: http://people.canonical.com/~osomon/expired.png
[17:29] <om26er> oSoMoN, I figured :D
[17:30] <om26er> oSoMoN, I was opening with http
[17:30] <oSoMoN> d’oh
[17:30] <om26er> oSoMoN, with https:// it does show the error
[17:30] <oSoMoN> of course with http:// there’s no certificate request…
[17:31] <oSoMoN> om26er, please mark the bug invalid
[17:31] <om26er> oSoMoN, done. commented.
[17:31] <Verc> @ogra i am in something like clock work mod
[17:31] <om26er> oSoMoN, oSoMoN another one can you check if you can copy text from address bar
[17:32] <om26er> oSoMoN, I can't. the menu opens under top panel of unity
[17:32] <Verc> Ubuntu Touch (CWM-based) Recovery
[17:32] <oSoMoN> om26er, known issue in the UITK
[17:32] <om26er> oSoMoN, do you have the bug number handy ?
[17:33] <oSoMoN> no, looking for it
[17:34] <mariogrip> ogra_ oneplus uses this console ttyHSL0 and with ubuntu i have to use tty0 (I can try to add custom serial port and mode: tty0,115200,n8 )
[17:34] <mariogrip> might this be a problem?
[17:34] <oSoMoN> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1413194
[17:34] <ogra_> no, shouldnt
[17:35] <mariogrip> ogra_ okey, how about the serial port and mode+
[17:35] <ogra_> Verc, i fear your recovery is to old for doing something like --switch ...
[17:35] <ogra_> so either stay with stable or re-flash with a newer channel
[17:35] <Verc> v 6.0.4.6
[17:36] <ogra_> we dont have that screen since ages anymore
[17:36] <om26er> oSoMoN, thanks
[17:36] <ogra_> in our recovery image
[17:37] <mariogrip> ogra_ my bad, tty0 is a virtual terminal , it shunt have serial port or mode...
[17:37] <Verc> how to change the recovery
[17:37] <Verc> ?
[17:37] <mariogrip> shuldn't*
[17:37] <mariogrip> shouldn't*
[17:41] <mariogrip> Verc: flash a new one with fastboot
[17:41] <mariogrip> fastboot flash recovery <the recovery>
[17:51] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/ still around?
[17:51] <rpadovani> (Sorry, I know I'm harrasing you so much in these days)
[17:56] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, yes, I’m around :)
[17:56] <elopio> ping renatu: sorry, I messed with your tests.
[17:56] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/address-book-app/fix_app_proxy/+merge/250969
[17:59] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, I was thinking to the qSettings class in C++, and how to expose its functions (like deleteCache) to QML. Also, with Qt.labs.settings I can access to settings also via QML. So we can easily set the homepage via qml and read it via C++ at startup. The only 'problem' is to choose where configuration file should be locate. Atm is in .config/webbbrowser/settings.conf, but following QT standards should be in .config/Canonical/webbrowser.con
[17:59] <rpadovani> f or .config/webbroserapp/webbrowserapp.conf
[18:00] <rpadovani> (see platform specific note here: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qsettings.html)
[18:01] <rpadovani> of course we can set it whereever we want, but if we follow the qt standars is easier to implement (we only have to set
[18:01] <rpadovani>     this->setOrganizationName("Canonical");
[18:01] <rpadovani>     this->setOrganizationDomain("canonical.com");
[18:01] <rpadovani>     this->setApplicationName("webbrowser-app");
[18:01] <banned_studio> hi
[18:01] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, deleting the cache is not really a setting per se (although it will appear in the settings UI, it’s not something we store on disk)
[18:02] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, it isn't a setting, but we shouldn't put all settings-related functions in only one class?
[18:02] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, we should try and keep the settings under ~/.config/webbrowser-app/
[18:02] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, no, no need for that
[18:04] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, ok for the file. About functions, where do you want to place them? I'm thinking to delete cache because it's easy to implement
[18:04] <rpadovani> there isn't a 'cache manager' in the app, afaik
[18:04] <rpadovani> so I don't have any idea on where to put it
[18:05] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, there will be a method on the WebContext object exposed by oxide, but at the moment there is nothing like that, so we simply can’t implement it
[18:05] <banned_studio> I installed Ubuntu-Touch on my bq E4.5 since the software is public, but why do i need a ubuntu-one account to install software?
[18:06] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, oh, I see. Ok, so for the moment I just make qsettings visible by qt.labs.setting and vice-versa and I try to implement homepage setting
[18:06] <rpadovani> thanks for your time :-)
[18:06] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, you’re very welcome!
[18:13] <mariogrip> ogra_ I cannot seem to find any errors in my kernel config... is there any way i can get some more debug messages then this? Failed to connect socket for '/dev/socket/upstart-text-bridge' on fd 7 (2 [No such file or directory])
[18:13] <rpadovani> banned_studio, so when you buy a paid app you can reinstall it on another device without rebuying it, because it is associated with your account
[18:16] <g105b> Is it possible to tether the data connection using the bq Aquaris E45?
[18:17] <banned_studio> @g105b, i don't know, i installed ubuntu-touch just an hour ago
[18:17] <g105b> banned_studio: Thanks for your input.
[18:20] <mariogrip> g105b you can use adb for usb tether
[18:20] <banned_studio> @rpadovani, ok i understand, but the bq-image comes without a shell, so i can not "apt-get installl ..." how to install the shell/terminal without a one-account?
[18:21] <g105b> just saying, this isn't Twitter (no need to at-mention people).
[18:23] <rpadovani> banned_studio, you need to connect the phone to a computer and use adb shell to access the shell
[18:24] <banned_studio> @rpadovani, this is also a problem: ~$ adb shell
[18:24] <banned_studio> error: closed
[18:25] <banned_studio> the phone is in dev mode
[18:25] <banned_studio> but adb is not working
[18:28] <dobey> Tassadar: hi! did something break the hammerhead builds? seems a couple new images are in 14.09-proposed for mako, but system-settings is not showing an available update :-/
[18:28] <dobey> banned_studio: unlock your screen
[18:28] <dobey> banned_studio: you have to unlock the screen now to be able to use phablet-shell or adb
[18:29] <banned_studio> ok :)
[18:29] <banned_studio> that is working
[18:30] <Tassadar> dobey: it's on version 202, just like s-i.ubuntu.com
[18:30] <Tassadar> maybe try running system-image-cli -vvvv via adb shell?
[18:31] <dobey> weird
[18:31] <banned_studio> but how to install vlc?
[18:31] <dobey> banned_studio: is it in the click store?
[18:31] <banned_studio> no
[18:32] <dobey> then build a click package with a reasonable touch interface and put it in the store, and then install it :)
[18:32] <banned_studio> there is also no kodi (xbmc) ...
[18:32] <dobey> eh? there's at least one xbmc remote app in the store
[18:33] <dobey> systemimage.keyring.KeyringError: expired keyring timestamp
[18:33] <dobey> Tassadar: ^^ hrmm
[18:33] <Tassadar> wat
[18:33] <banned_studio> i do not need the remote apb, i need the full app
[18:34] <mariogrip> janimo, i have a problem upstart property watcher.  Failed to connect socket for '/dev/socket/upstart-text-bridge' on fd 7 (2 [No such file or directory]), any ideas?
[18:34] <banned_studio> i'd like to use ubuntu-touch as a dlna, airplay and samba-server
[18:34] <dobey> banned_studio: then port the full app to a suitable interface for the device you're wanting to run it on, and get it in the store
[18:35] <dobey> banned_studio: if you want it as a server, not a client, i think you'd be more interested in the snappy builds, not the phone images
[18:35] <dobey> minidlna should be pretty easy to package up as a snappy package i'd think
[18:36] <dobey> (or you could just run ubuntu server instead)
[18:36] <janimo> mariogrip, no idea. Does the /dev/socket/ dir exist?
[18:36] <banned_studio> i also think so, the bq-image would't have something like that, right, its more like experimental?
[18:37] <Tassadar> dobey: does it tell you which key is it exactly?
[18:37] <Tassadar> or pastebin me the whole log if you can
[18:37] <mariogrip> janimo nope
[18:37] <dobey> Tassadar: no, just that error and a python trace :-/
[18:37] <Tassadar> gimme the trace
[18:38] <renatu> elopio, approved
[18:38] <dobey> Tassadar: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10412514/
[18:38] <renatu> bfiller, one more for silo 27: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/address-book-app/fix_app_proxy/+merge/250969
[18:38] <elopio> thanks renatu.
[18:38] <dobey> Tassadar: maybe the signing key has expired that's in those files?
[18:38] <janimo> mariogrip, try mkdir-ing it from init.rc
[18:39] <Tassadar> some of the keys have 2 years expiration time
[18:39] <Tassadar> surely I haven't been running this thing for that long Oo
[18:39] <banned_studio> @dobey, i tried minidlna on Ubuntu, but it is just "mini", xupnpd is more powerfull
[18:39] <dobey> banned_studio: ok, then use that instead.
[18:40] <dobey> Tassadar: heh, has hammerhead even existed that long? :P
[18:40] <mariogrip> janimo, never mind, i was looking in wrong dir, i does exist
[18:40] <dobey> nope
[18:40] <Tassadar> some of the keys have 0 set as expiration time, dunno what that means
[18:40] <mariogrip> i was looking in rootsf
[18:40] <dobey> oct 2013 is when it was released
[18:41] <Tassadar> 0 means does not expire, apprently
[18:41] <dobey> Tassadar: not sure. i'd think that'd mean it doesn't expire. but who knows
[18:41] <banned_studio> kodi is nice for a mobile-phone (tablet), therefore i thought kodi is also possible for the ubuntu-touch?
[18:42] <dobey> banned_studio: anything is possible if you port it, i guess
[18:42] <mariogrip> janimo, And the upstart-text-bridge is also there, with this permission srwxr-xr-x 1 root   root           0 Jan 15 19:53 upstart-text-bridge
[18:42] <banned_studio> hmm, that's my problem, i am not a coder :(
[18:43] <Tassadar> dobey: all my keys are set to expire either never, or on
[18:43] <Tassadar> dobey: all my keys are set to expire either never, or on 2016-02-23
[18:43] <dobey> i don't know why you'd want to use a phone with limited cpu/ram/storage as a file server though.
[18:44] <dobey> Tassadar: hrmm
[18:44] <Tassadar> that's really weird
[18:44] <banned_studio> is it a so big problem to import the arm-tools/apps from Raspberry Pi to the ubuntu -touch?
[18:44] <dobey> barry: ^^ hey, i am getting a expired keyring timestamp error trying to update on my hammerhead, and Tassadar says all the keys are good on his end
[18:44] <Tassadar> I'm gonna try updating mine
[18:45] <dobey> barry: i don't know what that is, but i guess you're talking about the RPi B+, which is armv6, and runs android, so yes, that would be problematic
[18:45] <barry> Tassadar, dobey any chance your clock is off?
[18:45] <dobey> err
[18:45] <dobey> not barry that time
[18:45] <dobey> banned_studio: i don't know what that is, but i guess you're talking about the RPi B+, which is armv6, and runs android, so yes, that would be problematic
[18:45] <dobey> barry: no, it says 1:45 PM which is the same as my workstation, and server
[18:46] <banned_studio> @dobey, without a terminal i can't clone a git and build an app by myself, can you give me an hint?
[18:46] <dobey> well maybe the tasemnice.eu time is off?
[18:46] <Tassadar> it printed time into that backtrace too, and it is correct
[18:46] <Tassadar> nope
[18:47] <Tassadar> same problem on my device
[18:47] <dobey> banned_studio: what are you wanting to build?
[18:47] <banned_studio> vlc-player
[18:48] <dobey> i'm pretty sure vlc requires a lot of porting work to be usable on an ubuntu phone
[18:48] <dobey> you should probably chat with the vlc developers about that
[18:49] <banned_studio> that is what i do not understand, it is possible on ubuntu to clone the git an build your own player, but on ubuntu-touch it is not possible? same is with ffmpeg ...
[18:49] <barry> dobey: hmm.  can you pastebin the log file or traceback?
[18:50] <barry> i suppose it's possible the key is actually expired ;)
[18:50] <dobey> barry: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10412514/
[18:50] <dobey> banned_studio: the phone images are minimal (because phone storage is tiny) and read-only, and the interface is nothing like a standard PC
[18:50] <kenvandine> tedg, is there a way to detect if I can create a MIR socket before trying to create it?
[18:51] <kenvandine> tedg, requesting the socket crashes on the desktop :/
[18:51] <banned_studio> tiny is not the problem, i can raise to 32, 64 or 128 gb sd-card
[18:51] <dobey> kenvandine: doesn't Mir create the socket, and you just use it?
[18:51] <kenvandine> yeah, but for the trust prompt i need to request it
[18:51] <Tassadar> oh
[18:51] <Tassadar> the key has keyring.json
[18:51] <kenvandine> which crashes...
[18:51] <dobey> banned_studio: then make an ubuntu chroot in your home directory on the phone and build it in there
[18:51] <Tassadar> which has "expiry" field
[18:51] <kenvandine> without mir
[18:52] <dobey> Tassadar: and it's expired?
[18:52] <Tassadar> 1424727233, which is 02/23/2015
[18:52] <barry> dobey: oh yeah.  there's an `expiry` key in the keyring json.  you can unpack the keyring .xz file and dump the json.
[18:52] <dobey> ah-ha
[18:52] <Tassadar> that is really weird, year earlier than the key expires
[18:52] <barry> Tassadar: there ya go :)
[18:52] <Tassadar> wth does it get generated? Oo
[18:52] <dobey> Tassadar: well at least you found it and can fix it :)
[18:53] <banned_studio> @dobey, for you it sounds, "mabe", funny, but i am just a beginner ...
[18:53] <banned_studio> maybe
[18:54] <dobey> kenvandine: i think you check for an existing mir socket, and if it doesn't exist, mir isn't running, or something like that
[18:54] <banned_studio> is ubuntu touch supporting ext4 on a sd-card?
[18:54] <dobey> banned_studio: ubuntu supports ext4 yes
[18:54] <banned_studio> ok, will try ...
[18:56] <dobey> kenvandine: check for MIR_SOCKET and/or MIR_SERVER_NAME in the env, and if they don't exist, don't try to use mir?
[18:56] <barry> Tassadar, dobey LP: #1425645
[18:56] <kenvandine> dobey, thx
[18:57] <dobey> barry: having such failures exposed in the UI would be nice too. :)
[18:57] <Tassadar> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/server/view/head:/bin/generate-keyrings#L56 what ;__;
[18:57] <Tassadar> why a year?
[18:57] <barry> dobey: LP: #1273366
[18:57] <Tassadar> why not use the expiration time from the key?
[18:58] <dobey> Tassadar: better yet, why doesn't it grap the expiry from the key :)
[18:58] <Tassadar> and device-signing has even less, surprising it didn't error out earlier
[18:58] <Tassadar> that means it probably doesn't even check it
[18:59] <dobey> Tassadar: i guess the server just does gpg --sign-detached or whtever, which would pass just fine because the key didn't expire :)
[18:59] <Tassadar> yeah, the device-signing has 03/26/2014 as timestamp in keyring.json
[18:59] <Tassadar> well, it should be enough to re-run generate-keyrings
[19:01] <dobey> so just re-run generate-keyrings every time? :P
[19:01] <banned_studio> @dobey, is it possible to make the "format" on the device or do i have to make it on the PC with gparted?
[19:02] <Tassadar> gonna manually copy the keyring to the server for now, hopefuly I didn't just break the signing totally
[19:02] <dobey> banned_studio: i don't know. i'd guess e2fsutils is installed, but i don't know for sure. i don't have any phones that support sd cards anyway
[19:04] <Tassadar> dobey: try it again
[19:04] <Tassadar> seems to be working now
[19:04] <dobey> Tassadar: just did and now it downloaded/installed the new image
[19:04] <Tassadar> cool
[19:04] <Verc> is there tutorial step by step how to switch from "stable" to "devel:
[19:04] <Verc> ??
[19:05] <Tassadar> and somebody should probably make a bug about that weird generate-keyrings expiration time for stgraber, huh)
[19:06] <dobey> Verc: "system-image-cli --switch devel"
[19:10] <dobey> Verc: you can respond in-channel
[19:10] <dobey> no need to /query me :)
[19:10] <mariogrip> will qcom display caf work with ubuntu touch?
[19:10] <Verc> how to do so? Sorry I'm here for the very first time
[19:12] <dobey> just type in the channel
[19:12] <Verc> but sometimes your nick is red
[19:13] <banned_studio> @dobey, under ubuntu-touch "format sd-card" it makes a fat32 and i can 't choose ext2/3 or4 .. is it a bug?
[19:14] <dobey> banned_studio: well if it's a fat partition, then it will probably format it as fat32
[19:14] <dobey> banned_studio: you need to partition it as the right partition type, and then mke2fs on it
[19:15] <dobey> banned_studio: it's probably easier if you just use gparted on a pc
[19:15] <dobey> Verc: yes, that's just a nick hilight because i typed your nick; like this line
[19:15] <banned_studio> i'll try with gparted on the pc an will see if ubuntu-touch will accept it ...
[19:16] <Verc> dobey: I'm trying :D
[19:16] <dobey> banned_studio: ubuntu is just ubuntu. there is not "ubuntu-touch" it's just ubuntu. there are special image builds for phones and devices, but it's still ubuntu
[19:17] <dobey> Verc: anyway, system-image-cli --switch on the phone is the documented way to switch channels afaik
[19:17] <Verc> ok i'll try :)
[19:17] <Verc> thanks!
[19:17] <tedg> kenvandine, Can't you just check to see if the file is there?
[19:17] <tedg> kenvandine, I think the handle won't be there without Mir
[19:18] <dobey> tedg: i told him to check for MIR_SOCKET env var
[19:18] <dobey> and then i just realized that might not actually work for my use case :-/
[19:18] <kenvandine> tedg, i figured it out
[19:19] <kenvandine> there's a mir_connection_is_valid
[19:19] <tedg> Ah, cool.
[19:19] <kenvandine> tedg, now i'm having trouble with my untrusted helper :)
[19:20]  * dobey wonders how to do that from an autopilot test
[19:20] <dobey> veebers, elopio: ^^ any idea how to determine if mir is running from within the autopilot tests?
[19:22] <veebers> dobey: hmm, I recall needing that check before in the past but can't recall off the top of my head the check itself
[19:22] <veebers> give me a moment to see if I can't find it
[19:22] <dobey> k
[19:22] <balloons> I would assume perhaps autopilot.display
[19:23] <veebers> dobey: if I don't get to it quick enough, asking in #ubuntu-mir would probably give you an answer (for what to check in the system to see if its running)
[19:23] <elopio> dobey: from the wiki, I see ps aux | grep unity-system-compositor
[19:23] <frenda> Where I can buy  Aquaris "E4.5 Ubuntu Edition" online?
[19:23] <dobey> elopio: ewww
[19:24] <elopio> dobey: there are uglier options in there.
[19:24] <dobey> frenda: bq.com's site when they have a flash sale runnig
[19:24] <dobey> balloons: that's a module, or a property?
[19:24] <frenda> Is there any schedule?
[19:24] <balloons> frenda, tomorrow is another flash sale, starting at 8 am utc I believe
[19:25] <balloons> be ready, they sell out quick, and good luck!
[19:25] <balloons> dobey, module
[19:25] <balloons> http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/autopilot/api/autopilot.display.html#module-autopilot.display
[19:25] <popey> frenda: follow @ubuntu or @bqreaders on twitter, or either company on facebook or G+ to find out
[19:25] <veebers> elopio, dobey: I would prefer using pusutil and check for unity-system-compositor in that case
[19:26] <balloons> I mean, if nothing else you can try and create a MIR backend and catch the failure
[19:26] <dobey> balloons: that doesn't look like it will tell me if the display is mir or x11
[19:26] <elopio> veebers: what's that UPA display?
[19:27] <veebers> elopio: sorry I need a second, my machine is going crazy for some reason
[19:27] <balloons> ahh found it hah
[19:27] <balloons> it is in platform
[19:27] <balloons> autopilot.platform.get_display_server()
[19:27] <balloons> lolz
[19:28] <dobey> balloons: ah, great, that's exactly what i need
[19:30] <elopio> dobey: it's using psutil to check for unity-system-compositor :)
[19:30] <dobey> elopio: you ruined the sausage
[19:30] <elopio> dobey: I think that's the way recommended by the mir team.
[19:31] <elopio> or maybe they have something better now.
[19:32] <ChloeWolfieGirl_>  question, do calls work in the background, like if I call someone, put it on speaker then jump to something like the browser, will I still beable to talk to the person?
[19:32] <veebers> balloons, dobey, balloons ah right, sorry I probably should have known that off the top of my head :-P
[19:33] <dobey> elopio: sure. but i shouldn't have to reimplement that every time i need to know whether i'm under mir or not. i'd prefer a more sane way of checking for mir, but as long as there's an API in autopilot it's a win for me :)
[19:34] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl_: pretty sure yes
[19:34] <elopio> that is right :)
[19:35] <banned_studio> @dobey, ok, i formated the sd-card with ubuntu in ext4, but now i have a problem, how to get root on the phablet (E4.5) ?
[19:35] <dobey> ugh, python3 still doesn't do "foo ? bar : baz" ? :(
[19:35] <dobey> banned_studio: why do you need root?
[19:36] <banned_studio> because i need to know
[19:36] <dobey> banned_studio: you can use "sudo" to do operations that require root, just the same as on PC
[19:37] <banned_studio> ok. sudo su works for me :) thanks
[19:37] <dobey> *shrug*
[19:37] <balloons> elopio, you are correct it checks for the compistor
[19:38] <balloons> interesting mir doesn't touch a file when running
[19:38] <dobey> balloons: is there where strongbad purchased his computer?
[19:39] <balloons> dobey, ROFL..
[19:39] <dobey> balloons: mir creates a socket file
[19:39] <balloons> strongbad says yes
[19:39] <dobey> balloons: but to know what file it is, you need to have the MIR_SOCKET env var
[19:39] <balloons> dobey, right-o.. my sentences are coming out fragmented
[19:39] <dobey> which, if you are not running under the same upstart session, you can't see
[19:40] <dobey> maybe getting that env var from initctl would be better than using psutils and checking for the compositor
[19:41] <banned_studio> after i insered the sd-card (ext4) how to show the memory now?
[19:41] <dobey> use the external devices tool
[19:42] <dobey> err, external drives
[19:42] <banned_studio> how to show with adb commans?
[19:42] <banned_studio> command
[19:42] <dobey> the same as on ubuntu
[19:42] <dobey> like i said, ubuntu on the phone is ubuntu
[19:43] <banned_studio> df ?
[19:43] <dobey> sure
[19:44] <banned_studio> df do not show the sd-card
[19:46] <Verc> sudo system-image-cli --switch devel does not work :<
[19:47] <Verc> i went to adb shell, typed above, and... nothing
[19:48] <Verc> I need your help :)
[19:48] <banned_studio> is it possible, that ubuntu-touch can't handle ext4 formated sd-cards?
[19:50] <dobey> banned_studio: it's possible it's not mounted
[19:50] <dobey> banned_studio: df only shows mounted storage devices
[19:50] <dobey> barry: ^^ can you help Verc? does --switch not work?
[19:51] <adrian47> Is possible to check with script what files were used by previous scripts? :)
[19:51] <davmor2> Verc: did it exit or did it, just sit there,  don't forget it will have 408MB of file to download
[19:51] <adrian47> in specified folder
[19:53] <Verc> after typing the command the coursor blinks and then nothing
[19:53] <Verc> the telephone does not reboot
[19:53] <banned_studio> @dobey, ok, how to "automount" ext4 formated sd-cards in ubuntu-touch?
[19:55] <dobey> banned_studio: i have no idea why it isn't mounted, if it isn't mounted. like i said, use the external drives app on the phone. i don't have time to sit here and teach you all the basics of using ubuntu, building a chroot, etc… and i don't have a phone that has an sd card slot.
[19:56] <banned_studio> ok, i understood ...
[19:56] <Verc> when I reboot it "manually" the version in system settings is still the same
[19:57] <banned_studio> i think some things need to be fixed in ubuntu-touch ...
[20:00] <dobey> banned_studio: you need to not expect the phone to be the same as a PC. i think that's the problem. you're expecting a traditional ubuntu experience, and a phone is not that.
[20:01] <banned_studio> @dobey, please, help me isn
[20:01] <banned_studio> 't it?
[20:02] <banned_studio> i really thought so
[20:02] <dobey> no it is not the same
[20:02] <dobey> it is a phone
[20:03] <Verc> something's wrong with system-image-cli because when I type system-image-cli --list-channels it does nothing
[20:04] <banned_studio> ok, what about the "next gen", can it handle Ubuntu like a desktop, for exp. MHL od Miracast?
[20:04] <davmor2> banned_studio: there is the external drives app that is designed for formatting sd cards. the card is mounted under /media/phablet/*/* where the stars are the sdcard number if that helps but to be honest the tools are there on the phone
[20:04] <banned_studio> od=or
[20:04] <dobey> banned_studio: i'm not sure what you're asking exactly. the converged experience is not done/ready yet. at some point it will be, but it will still be phone hardware when you plug it into an external screen/keyboard
[20:06] <banned_studio> @dobey, i am exactly asking for a device, that can do the same as my PC. Therfore i asked for MHL / Or Miracast
[20:06] <dobey> the root partition will still be read-only then
[20:06] <davmor2> banned_studio: we need unity8 desktop in order to have that full converged experience, that is actiavely being worked on but until it is consumer grade there will be no way to use that
[20:09] <kunal> hii
[20:09] <kunal> is ubuntu touch available for oneplus one
[20:09] <banned_studio> @dobey, no way to use i do not understand. is there no way to "emulate" miracast?
[20:09] <dobey> kunal: mariogrip is working on a port to that device
[20:10] <dobey> banned_studio: no
[20:10] <kunal> k...
[20:11] <dobey> i don't know if he's got it booting yet though
[20:11] <banned_studio> what about this: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~dvdhrm/libwfd/commit/
[20:11] <dobey> what about it?
[20:11] <dobey> it's some library
[20:11] <banned_studio> he tried miracast
[20:11] <dobey> ok
[20:11] <davmor2> banned_studio: is there an app for it in the store?
[20:12] <dobey> when ubuntu supports the converged scenario where you can plug an external screen into the phone, then it might use that
[20:12] <davmor2> banned_studio: if not you can always write one, but for now I would suggest not
[20:12] <dobey> davmor2: an app to use an ubuntu phone as a pc? no :)
[20:12] <davmor2> dobey: I meant the miracast things
[20:12] <banned_studio> i don't want an app, i want to use this right from the os
[20:12] <dobey> davmor2: and i'd expect the security policy to be a problem for having an app in the store do that
[20:13] <banned_studio> isn't that possible?
[20:13] <dobey> banned_studio: as we've already said many times, no
[20:13] <DonkeyHotei> ping ChickenCutlass rsalveti
[20:14] <dobey> the converged UI scenario is not implemented yet
[20:14] <banned_studio> no means = you have to write an app ?
[20:14] <dobey> no means no
[20:14] <banned_studio> come on, everything is possible on linux ...
[20:15] <dobey> no it isn't
[20:15] <dobey> but if you want to help make it possible, i'm sure the mir/etc teams accept patches of acceptable quality
[20:16] <banned_studio> that is also new for me, mir, i thought it is the x11 ..., bur it is not
[20:16] <davmor2> banned_studio: you couldn't get that to work with the security on the phone.  I was thinking of miro which is like a podcasty thing hence the app comment
[20:16] <davmor2> dobey: I was thinking miro not mira D'oh
[20:17] <dobey> davmor2: yeah, miracast is an external screen thing
[20:17] <triath> Is there any image with Bluetooth working on Nexus 10?
[20:17] <dobey> man, this adt-run session is going so slow
[20:17] <davmor2> triath: no
[20:17] <dobey> davmor2: ^^ does bt work on your nexus 10? has it ever?
[20:18] <ogra_> has never
[20:18] <dobey> triath: it doesn't work on nexus 5 either, if that makes you feel better :)
[20:18] <ogra_> might they use the same driver ? :)
[20:18] <Verc> dobey: if you'd have a while I'd like to ask your help becausa I cannot handle the switch myself
[20:19] <triath> well :) Is it being worked on or is there any way I can help with it?
[20:19] <dobey> Verc: i haven't used it. maybe it's broken. try adding "-vvvv" to the arguments to see if it logs an error or something
[20:19] <ogra_> triath, if you have patches you can send them ... i dont think anyone actively works on it
[20:20] <Verc> triath Are you talking to me?
[20:20] <dobey> ogra_: no idea what the issue is with bt on n5. i'd love to have it fixed though
[20:20] <banned_studio> one last question for today, when i type "mount" i get this: /dev/mmcblk0p7 on /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/
[20:20] <triath> Verc: no
[20:20] <dobey> on the other hand, my battery already sucks enough without it (but it could still be on and sucking the battery even if the system doesn't work with it)
[20:21] <dobey> banned_studio: ok
[20:21] <banned_studio> is ubuntu touche not "pure" ?
[20:21] <dobey> banned_studio: hardware is not "pure"
[20:21] <ogra_> banned_studio, pure ?
[20:21] <dobey> banned_studio: there's a minimal set of android services, and the android kernel, to provide device drivers and such, so hardware actually works
[20:21] <banned_studio> why ther is a lnx?
[20:21] <dobey> banned_studio: if you want "pure" ubuntu, get a manufacturer to make a fully open phone
[20:21] <banned_studio> lnc
[20:21] <ogra_> banned_studio, ubuntu on phones has to use the binary drivers that are provided for the HW
[20:22] <dobey> banned_studio: it's a chroot container to keep it separate form ubuntu
[20:22] <dobey> from even
[20:22] <ogra_> banned_studio, no way around that ... like jolla/sailfish and firefoxOS we have no choice for the modem, sensors, GPS or graphics drivers
[20:22] <triath> dobey: Would love to get my bt keyboard running. The effectivity Would outweight the battery drain
[20:23] <banned_studio> i do not understand that, all other linux-devices i use use pure linux
[20:23] <ogra_> banned_studio, how would you make a phone call without having a driver for the modem ?
[20:24] <dobey> banned_studio: no they don't
[20:24] <banned_studio> so there is still no "pure" linux-phone?
[20:24] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> does ubuntu vivid have the ability to pause things such as music from the sound indicator?
[20:24] <dobey> banned_studio: and i don't knkow what you mean by "pure" here either
[20:25] <dobey> banned_studio: if you mean fully open, then no, there is no fully open phone
[20:25] <genii> If you think it's wrong, petition the chip manufacturers to open up the documentation so proper linux drivers can be made
[20:25] <dobey> banned_studio: ubuntu is the most open though
[20:25] <ogra_> banned_studio, there cant be unless you convince the hardware vendors to either make their sppecs public or provide open drivers
[20:25] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl_: i don't think there's a pause feature in the indicator on the phone yet
[20:25] <banned_studio> that was my last "linux-phone" http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_A780
[20:26] <dobey> oh
[20:26] <ogra_> ChloeWolfieGirl_, not yet, i think tedg works on enabling that again (it was dropped for some reason)
[20:26]  * dobey just realized who banned_studio is
[20:27] <banned_studio> yes, i remember, too many questions ...
[20:27] <ogra_> banned_studio, and that had a "pure" linux ?
[20:27] <dobey> ogra_: no of course it didn't
[20:27] <ogra_> right
[20:27] <dobey> ogra_: it was a java phone
[20:27] <ogra_> since thats technically not possible
[20:27] <jgdx> omg i want one
[20:27] <davmor2> ogra_: well except the  binary drivers :D
[20:27] <ogra_> well, it might be possible for tizen ... :)
[20:27] <tedg> ogra_, No, that's waiting on tvoss actually.
[20:27] <ogra_> since samsung actually owns the HW they could prooduce proper linux drivers for it
[20:27] <dobey> ogra_: haha, yeah right :P
[20:28] <dobey> like samsung would do that
[20:28] <ogra_> yeah, well ... there is that
[20:28] <tedg> ogra_, Media hub turned off the feature.
[20:28] <banned_studio> but without question you'll never get an answer ...
[20:28] <ogra_> banned_studio, https://developer.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_uploaded/136981fa-6287-49d3-9874-06f40b2e4eb7-cms_page_media/380/ubuntu_touch_architecture.png
[20:28] <dobey> banned_studio: it's not too many questions. it's the same question over and over and over when you've been given the answers
[20:28] <ogra_> banned_studio, the blue box is the bunch of drivers and a few daemons that we need to drive the HW
[20:29] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> ogra_ Ok, I was just wondering because its quite annoying having to unlock the device to pause a podcast or some music
[20:29] <ogra_> ChloeWolfieGirl_, fully agreed :)
[20:29] <davmor2> ogra_: you're lying the blue box is the tardis you can't blag my head
[20:29] <ogra_> lol
[20:29] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl_: the annoying thing for me, is having to unlock to close the phone app after an incoming call when screen is locked
[20:30] <tedg> ogra_, ChloeWolfieGirl_, bug 1378048
[20:30] <banned_studio> @dobey, no, i just asked how to get a terminal on ubuntu-touch and what is the passwort for the "bq"-phablet
[20:30] <ogra_> banned_studio, it is your password or PIN that you did set in the UI
[20:30] <dobey> banned_studio: no, you've asked many times how to use the phone as a pc, and we told you many times that you cannot
[20:30] <banned_studio> no, that is not working
[20:30] <ogra_> banned_studio, soo did you manage to get ubuntu flashed then ?
[20:31] <dobey> ogra_: he bought a bq phone
[20:31] <ogra_> i saw somewhere there are instructions on the bq site now
[20:31] <dobey> oh i guess he did flash it
[20:31] <dobey> i forgot he was one who bought an android version
[20:31] <davmor2> dobey: he had the android phone if you remember :0
[20:31] <dobey> yeah i do now :P
[20:31] <banned_studio> i managed to flash the public version to my bq e4.5
[20:31] <dobey> i tried not to :P
[20:31] <ogra_> nice
[20:32] <ogra_> banned_studio, so if you did set a pin or password, this is what you need to use
[20:32] <ogra_> (in phablet-shell, or adb or the terminal app)
[20:33] <Verc> dobey It has returned something " File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/systemimage/download.py", line 296, in get_files     raise TimeoutError TimeoutError [systemimage] Feb 25 21:31:39 2015 (4294) state machine finished"
[20:33] <ogra_> (or when using sudo)
[20:33] <banned_studio> ok, my mistake!!! it works
[20:33] <dobey> Verc: are you trying to do it on 3g?
[20:33] <dobey> or worse, 2g?
[20:33] <ogra_> popey, you are slacking !
[20:33] <Verc> on what?
[20:33]  * ogra_ notes the channel topic ...
[20:34] <dobey> Verc: what network connection are you using?
[20:34] <dobey> Verc: is your phone connected to the network at all?
[20:34] <Verc> no
[20:34] <mariogrip> will ubuntu touch work with qcom display caf?
[20:34] <dobey> Verc: well, then --switch on the phone won't work as it can't download the image :)
[20:35] <Verc> I have thought that the desktop downloads the stupp
[20:35] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> dobey I havent got ubuntu on my phone so Idk what thats like
[20:35] <Verc> *stuff
[20:35] <dobey> Verc: you'll need to connect it to wifi
[20:35] <ogra_> mariogrip, whats that ?
[20:35] <Verc> I'm trying
[20:35] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl_: time to upgrade to ubuntu then! :)
[20:36] <ogra_> Verc, you can use ubuntu-device-flash from your desktop ... just make sure to not use the --wipe or --bootstrap options
[20:36] <joshuabg> Is ubuntu touch compatible with arm64?
[20:36] <DonkeyHotei> ogra_: what is a flash sale?
[20:36] <mariogrip> ogra_ it includes Adreno, it has better support for oneplus (don't ask me why)
[20:36] <Verc> I'm trying
[20:36] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> dobey Haha I have ubuntu on my tablet
[20:36] <ogra_> joshuabg, theoretically yes ... practically we never tried (but all binaries are there for arm64 i think)
[20:37] <joshuabg> o, I was thinking of porting it to the NExus 9
[20:37] <joshuabg> ok
[20:37] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, the thing where you can buy an ubuntu phone :)
[20:37] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, https://twitter.com/bqreaders/status/570600359040815104
[20:37] <DonkeyHotei> but there are no "ubuntu phones" with world radios
[20:37] <dobey> ogra_: well, apps that are clicks are probably lacking arm64 builds
[20:38] <popey> DonkeyHotei: not yet
[20:38] <ogra_> yeah, apps likely do
[20:38] <dobey> DonkeyHotei: you can buy a nexus 4 and flash it
[20:38] <DonkeyHotei> so the flash sale is a europe-only thing?
[20:38] <dobey> yes
[20:38] <ogra_> dobey, i think the webbrowser-app exists for arm64 though ... so at least webapps shuld work
[20:38] <dobey> ogra_: yeah, it's a .deb
[20:39] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, well, wouldnt make much sense to sell it to americans if they can only use 2G
[20:39] <dobey> and the webapps clicks should be 'all' arch
[20:39] <dobey> some are incorrectly built with 'armhf' arch though i think
[20:39] <DonkeyHotei> dobey: the bq phone has more scopes than a flashed nexus 4
[20:39] <ogra_> yes, it does
[20:39] <dobey> yes
[20:39] <dobey> but most of them are also euro-centric
[20:40] <dobey> and i think all the non-euro-centric ones are in the store, except for the aggregators
[20:40] <DonkeyHotei> i see
[20:42] <dobey> and hopefully we can get the rest into the store soon enough too
[20:50] <Verc> dobey: even with wifi on it failed to switch
[20:51] <banned_studio> how to install a terminal on ubuntu touch (bq)? please...
[20:51] <dobey> banned_studio: it's in the store
[20:51] <jwtiyar> why i have this error while syncing? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10414728/
[20:51] <banned_studio> but for the store i nee a one-account !!!
[20:51] <banned_studio> need
[20:51] <dobey> yes
[20:51] <banned_studio> why???
[20:52] <dobey> you need an ubuntu one account to install stuff from the store
[20:52] <dobey> because i said so, that's why
[20:52] <banned_studio> i am talking in the circle ...
[20:54] <banned_studio> so, ubuntu-touch is not ubuntu ... no anonymous anymore?
[20:54] <popey> banned_studio: get the source, build a click and side-load it
[20:54] <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/reboot
[20:54] <popey> ^ source
[20:54] <mhall119> sil2100: any estimate on when mako will get an updated RTM image?
[20:55] <dobey> banned_studio: ffs, it is ubuntu, yes.
[20:55] <mhall119> banned_studio: having a U1 account let's us provide convenient things like not having to re-purchase apps if you wipe your phone or get a second device
[20:56] <dobey> and so you can purchase apps
[20:56] <mhall119> that too :)
[20:57] <popey> BUY BUY BUY!
[20:57] <banned_studio> i have no account, no facebook, no twitter, no g+ nor ubuntu one, i am just a "reader"...
[20:57] <dobey> and there is no anonymity on the internet
[20:57] <mhall119> it also lets us give useful data to app developers, who care about users not just downloads
[20:57] <mhall119> banned_studio: then don't install apps, use the browser for everything, though if you have no accounts anywhere the internet isn't going to be terribly useful to you
[20:59] <popey> bet you have an account on the bq online store :)
[20:59] <dobey> and your isp
[20:59] <dobey> and your cellular provider
[21:00] <dobey> and your utility company
[21:00] <dobey> and ...
[21:00] <sil> yeah, but thats kind of sad ;D
[21:01] <banned_studio> @mhall119, for me is just important, what a "smartPHONE" can do, and that means also offline, without a gsm, 3g or 4g connection. what about a sip-client?, yes again and again and again ...
[21:01] <popey> banned_studio: different things are important to different people.
[21:02] <mhall119> banned_studio: it can do everything you'd think it can do without signing up for anybody's services
[21:02] <popey> banned_studio: you could hack the ubuntu phone to not need an Ubuntu one account, the source is out there.
[21:02] <sil> thats why i love ubuntu :)
[21:02] <popey> banned_studio: But, the fact is, today, as it stands, you need an Ubuntu SSO account to download apps from the click store.
[21:03] <sil> has anybody managed to install ubuntu touch on the galaxy s4?
[21:03] <popey> That will not change any time soon, so I would recommend you get over it, or work around it, but don't bitch at us about it.
[21:03] <popey> !devices | sil
[21:03] <mhall119> you need an Ubuntu SSO account to do just about anything in the Ubuntu community, there's no good reason to not have one
[21:03] <popey> maybe, if it's on that list
[21:03] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> It would be nice if you could download free apps without needing an account but I never thought about that user vs download number thing
[21:03] <dobey> mhall119: "i don't want to be a part of a community"
[21:03] <mhall119> yes you do :)
[21:03] <banned_studio> I compared the "Ubuntu-Phone" with the Sailfish and Sailfish got the same problems ... so why there is no fix in the Ubuntu-Touch?
[21:04] <popey> mhall119: "I don't want dobey to be part of the community"
[21:04] <mhall119> banned_studio: fix to what?
[21:04] <popey> :)
[21:04] <banned_studio> sip
[21:04] <popey> ok, second chance
[21:04] <mhall119> popey: yes you do, that way you can ask him to do work for you :)
[21:04] <dobey> banned_studio: because you're not a part of the community and helping to solve whatever problems you're whining about endlessly
[21:04] <mhall119> banned_studio: that's not broken, that's just a missing feature/app
[21:04] <popey> banned_studio: because we haven't done it yet
[21:04] <sil2100> mhall119: I promoted it a few minutes ago ;)
[21:04] <popey> banned_studio: if you keep asking the same thing over and over you're gonna get banned (again)
[21:04] <sil2100> mhall119: now generic_x86 is running
[21:04] <sil2100> o/
[21:04] <mhall119> sil2100: \o/
[21:05] <mariogrip> OMG!!! I have a ubuntu running!!!!!! (on oneplus one)
[21:05] <mariogrip> !!!!!
[21:05] <popey> !
[21:05] <sil> !
[21:05] <popey> Photos or it didn't happen!
[21:05] <popey> Also, congratulations
[21:05] <mhall119> mariogrip: nice!
[21:05] <DonkeyHotei> mhall119: see /query
[21:05] <banned_studio> @popey, you told me abot the x.509 and gnupg "we have not done it" ...
[21:05] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl_: ^^ did you see that?
[21:05] <popey> banned_studio: that's right, same for sip, now drop it.
[21:06] <banned_studio> i understood, that ubuntu-touch is not ready to use, and i am still waiting .. !!!
[21:06] <popey> final chance.
[21:06] <dobey> k1l: ^^ banned_studio is subverting your ban :)
[21:06] <popey> he knows
[21:06] <dobey> popey: nah, i'm done
[21:07] <dobey> he's had enough chances
[21:07] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> mhall119 mariogrip F-YES THATS AWESOME X3
[21:07] <popey> only 3!?
[21:07] <popey> ChloeWolfieGirl_ is a hard taskmaster
[21:08] <mhall119> lol
[21:08] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> Omg xD
[21:08] <banned_studio> the ban was fot too many question, and i do not think, questions are not good for the "project" ... questions need to be good for the project
[21:08] <popey> banned_studio: not the same question repeated
[21:08] <mhall119> banned_studio: good questions are good for the project
[21:09] <ogra_> banned_studio, hwo about instead of waiting you start fixing ? ;)
[21:09] <mhall119> abusive questions (or repeatedly asking the same, answered ones) are bad for the project
[21:09] <dobey> ogra_: he can't do that, he'd need an ubuntu one account
[21:09] <dobey> "oh the humanity!!"
[21:09] <mhall119> towards others
[21:09] <banned_studio> @pope, i read "offline", but i/we are still waitings fir abswers
[21:10] <ogra_> dobey, i'd review patches from banned_studio even if he doesnt have an U1 account ;)
[21:10] <ogra_> he just needs to sit down and develop them ... so he has something to do beyond impatiently complaining all day
[21:10] <dobey> ogra_: you need a u1 account to sign the CLA, and to push branches and make MPs
[21:11] <mariogrip> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/IMG_20150225_220713.jpg
[21:11] <popey> banned_studio: I gave you answers, you just don't like them.
[21:11] <ogra_> oh, i forgot about that
[21:11] <mariogrip> Proof!
[21:11] <popey> mariogrip:  Nice one!
[21:11] <dobey> mariogrip: nice
[21:11] <ogra_> mariogrip, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!
[21:11]  * ogra_ dances a little 
[21:11] <popey> Funny what happens when you have a porting guide
[21:11] <banned_studio> so, still now no ext4 automount on Ubuntu-Touch, don't you think it should be fixed?
[21:11] <ogra_> yeah :)
[21:11] <OerHeks> that would be good news, one+one
[21:11] <popey> banned_studio: have you filed a bug?
[21:12] <mhall119> mariogrip: did yo uuse the new porting guide to do this?
[21:12] <dobey> banned_studio: determine what the actual problem is and file a bug
[21:12] <dobey> oh wait, you need an account to file a bug
[21:12] <ogra_> banned_studio, no, it is on purpose that we only auto mount vfat currenly
[21:12] <mhall119> banned_studio: dude, it's a phone, it works
[21:12] <g105b> What time does the sale start?
[21:12] <mhall119> g105b: probably 9am CET
[21:12] <ogra_> g105b, european business hours ...
[21:12] <mhall119> which is 8am GMT, I believe
[21:12] <popey> Business Time!
[21:12] <ogra_> last one was 9CET
[21:13] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZcYPEszN8
[21:13] <sil> about what port guide do you guys talk right now? :D
[21:13] <mariogrip> mhall119, Yeah, but ogra_ have helped me a lot too :)
[21:13] <mariogrip> Thanks ogra_
[21:13] <dobey> popey: needs a Pebble Time remix
[21:13] <g105b> mhall119: breakfast time for me then
[21:13] <mhall119> ogra_: is pretty awesome isn't he?
[21:13] <ogra_> well, i only answered nicely asked detailed questions
[21:13] <banned_studio> i can report a bug here in the chat, what your are doing with the bug-report is your problem
[21:13] <ogra_> :)
[21:13] <popey> ok, done
[21:13] <ogra_> banned_studio, thats not a bug report then
[21:13] <dobey> yay
[21:14] <ogra_> sigh
[21:14] <popey> we have better things to do than argue with this person.
[21:14] <mariogrip> mhall119 He is awesome! :)
[21:14] <sil> mariogrip : which porting guide do you mean? can you send me the link?:)
[21:14]  * popey hugs ogra_ !
[21:14] <ogra_> sil, its in the topic
[21:14]  * ogra_ hands popey a beer
[21:14] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> mariogrip Amazing x3 *screams internally*
[21:14] <dobey> mmm beer
[21:15]  * dobey only has one left :-/
[21:15]  * ogra_ hands dobey a scotch ... 
[21:15] <dobey> one. beer. only.
[21:15] <dobey> mmm scotch :D
[21:15] <ogra_> :)
[21:15] <sil> thanks ogra_ :D
[21:15] <mariogrip> for the moats part i used the old porting because the new one  wasn't out yet when i started
[21:16] <mhall119> darn, still no volume-bubble fix for screenshots?
[21:16] <adrian47> I reduced boot.img from 6.7MB to 5.1MB by moving some lib files to other partition, but what now? i need 4.1MB :)
[21:16] <ogra_> /nick mhall119 banned_mhall119
[21:17]  * mhall119 retracts statements about ogra_'s awesomeness
[21:17] <ogra_> LOL
[21:17]  * ChloeWolfieGirl_ drools over picture of OPO running ubuntu 
[21:17] <Verc> for 20 minutes I have got this message: "[systemimage] Feb 25 21:53:37 2015 (5433) [0xb5e7f390] Running group download reactor" but on gnome-system-monitor the network history shows that nothing is being downloaded :/
[21:17] <DonkeyHotei> what's OPO?
[21:17] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl_: don't water damage it, it's the only one we have so far!
[21:17] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> OnePlus One
[21:17]  * mariogrip is uploading some more pictures with a better camera now!
[21:18] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> mhall119 haha xD
[21:18] <DonkeyHotei> what's a OnePlus One?
[21:18] <mhall119> DonkeyHotei: a phone
[21:18] <mhall119> OnePlus is the company, the One is their first phone
[21:18] <mhall119> creative, aren't they
[21:18] <popey> DonkeyHotei: it's quite a fancy phone
[21:18] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> mariogrip is uploading phones of it running ubuntu
[21:18] <DonkeyHotei> is it for the US market?
[21:18] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, its a small tablet they call a phone :)
[21:18] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/IMG_20150225_220713.jpg
[21:18] <popey> mariogrip: you should totally tell the world about this and take the credit
[21:18] <popey> haha
[21:18] <ogra_> ++
[21:19] <ogra_> mariogrip, blog it or some such an it will be all over G+ tomorrow :)
[21:19] <mhall119> ogra_: it's no worse in size than a Nexus 6 is it? Certainly better than Sony's 25 inch phone
[21:19] <mariogrip> xP
[21:19] <popey> i like the back cover of it.
[21:19] <ogra_> donno, never touched an N6
[21:19] <popey> not frictionless like the nexus 4
[21:20] <ogra_> i have an unused N5 here ... thats about as big as phones get for me
[21:20] <mhall119> s/frictionless/fragile-as-hell-glass/
[21:20] <popey> heh
[21:20] <ogra_> glass brick
[21:20] <mhall119> the N5 is good sized, not physically much different from the N4
[21:20] <ogra_> yep
[21:21]  * mariogrip has the worst upload speed! 3min for 3 pictures...
[21:21] <ogra_> did you consider that couold be caused by the picture size perhaps ?
[21:21] <ogra_> :)
[21:22] <popey> yeah, take them at 320x200 and really blurry
[21:22] <popey> then people will argue online that they're fake
[21:22] <popey> and you can sit back and laugh knowing they're real
[21:22] <ogra_> lol
[21:22] <mariogrip> :P
[21:22] <dobey> Verc: how would gnome-system-monitor tell you what the phone is doing?
[21:22] <mariogrip> 28 KB/s...
[21:23] <Verc> I'm a genius o_O
[21:23] <mariogrip> I have faster, but for some reason dropbox is slow
[21:25] <mariogrip> Maybe i will try to apply to the job: https://ldd.tbe.taleo.net/ldd01/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=950 what do you say ogra_ should i?
[21:25] <ogra_> sure, asking is free :)
[21:25] <mariogrip> :)
[21:26] <ogra_> we dont charge for it (yet) :)
[21:26] <mariogrip> "yet" hehe :P
[21:26] <ogra_> ;)
[21:26] <ogra_> annyway ...
[21:26]  * ogra_ wanders off into the night ...
[21:26] <popey> o/
[21:27] <dobey> ogra_: if that guy comes back, i'm going to start charging
[21:27]  * ogra_ &
[21:27] <mariogrip> o/
[21:27] <dobey> night ogra_
[21:27] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> Night night ogra_
[21:27] <mariogrip> Robbyf2 Sup?
[21:27] <Robbyf2> hey
[21:27] <Robbyf2> get my hangouts msg?
[21:27] <Robbyf2> you get it going?
[21:28] <DonkeyHotei> mariogrip: you're my competition, i guess
[21:28] <Robbyf2> popey said he saw something
[21:28] <mariogrip> I have something to tell you :)
[21:28] <popey> \o/
[21:28]  * dobey writes an app to test in-app purchases by requiring people who ask questions to purchase credits
[21:28] <mariogrip> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qbft7g23wkea1tk/20150225_221827.jpg?dl=0
[21:29] <Robbyf2> love you man!
[21:29] <mariogrip> :)
[21:29] <Robbyf2> radios?
[21:30] <mariogrip> I haven't tested,
[21:30] <mariogrip> wifi no, camera no
[21:30] <Robbyf2> minor compared to what you've been doing
[21:31] <Robbyf2> you should make your own tree's
[21:31] <mariogrip> Oh man! have i done some hardcore c++ coding :)
[21:31] <popey> :)
[21:32] <popey> What a good day. mariogrip getting Ubuntu Touch on OnePlus One, and flexiondotorg has Ubuntu MATE Remix PowerPC running on an iBook G4 :)
[21:32] <popey> opposite ends of the scale
[21:32] <mariogrip> I had do do some changes to qcom display
[21:32] <mariogrip> popey :)
[21:32] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> I think its fake because the year isn't 1970 sooo... haha xD x3
[21:33] <popey> no, that makes it even more accurate
[21:33] <popey> a faker would put the date right
[21:33] <mariogrip> xD
[21:33] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> DOES THAT MEAN ALL THE BQ PHONES ARE FAKE? xD
[21:33] <popey> OMG!
[21:33] <mariogrip> Yes
[21:34] <DonkeyHotei> i held the bq phone in my hand and it was real, mhall119 was there
[21:34] <k1l> dobey: yes i saw him evading the ban, but i did hope he would have changed his agressive, annoying and demanding behaviour that lead to the ban in the first place. sadly he didnt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯	
[21:34] <Tassadar> yeah, they have just gallery app open, showing screenshots of Ubuntu and they waited a while so the status bar hid itself
[21:34] <mhall119> DonkeyHotei: oh? were you at SCaLE?
[21:34] <dobey> k1l: yeah, i only pinged you when i decided he wasn't going to :)
[21:35] <DonkeyHotei> mhall119: i was at scale 6, 7, 8, 9, and 13
[21:36] <mhall119> nice!
[21:36] <DonkeyHotei> mhall119: see /query
[21:36] <mhall119> I was at 7 & 8, then not again until 13
[21:36] <DonkeyHotei> yes, i met you at 7 & 8
[21:37] <Robbyf2> mariogrip: what made display work? caf sources?
[21:37] <cwayne> mariogrip: pretty sure you're my hero now.
[21:37] <mhall119> you did? Sorry man, my memory is awful
[21:37] <DonkeyHotei> i think it was 8 when you warned me not to eat all the Perky Jerky at once
[21:37] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> cwayne mariogrip  is my hero too x3
[21:37] <mhall119> either that or I do remember you, but not your nick
[21:38] <DonkeyHotei> i used to use the nick sn9
[21:38] <mariogrip> Robbyf2 caf does not work, and ubuntu is based around caf (cm)
[21:38] <mhall119> Perky Jerky? was that the caffinated slim jims?
[21:38] <DonkeyHotei> yep
[21:38] <mhall119> hmmm, sn9 rings a bell
[21:38]  * mariogrip feels special, I get so much nice feedback :)
[21:38] <mhall119> were you the one who had a friend in Florida that you introduced to our loco?
[21:38] <mhall119> mariogrip: nice feedback is the consequence of doing nice things :)
[21:39] <cwayne> mariogrip: which rootfs are you using?
[21:39] <DonkeyHotei> yep, i keep in touch with her by phone
[21:39] <mhall119> DonkeyHotei: ah ha! I *do* remember! :)
[21:39] <mhall119> this is kind of a big deal for me
[21:39] <mhall119> how is she doing? I haven't spoken with her in years
[21:39] <mariogrip> cwayne: using my own :) (vivid)
[21:40] <cwayne> mariogrip: phew, I was worried it was like saucy or something really old :P
[21:40] <DonkeyHotei> she has a job that keeps her a bit busy and typically during the hours she has available to use her phone :(
[21:40] <mariogrip> cwayne: Always you the new stuff :)
[21:43] <mariogrip> brb
[21:49] <adrian47> is possible to mount partition in 2 places? 1st with ro, 2nd rw
[21:49] <DonkeyHotei> possible but ill-advised
[21:52] <mariogrip> i'm back!
[21:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> Welcome back
[21:54] <dobey> adrian47: you can mount it rw, and then loopback/bind mount it as ro elsewhere. but you can't loopback/bind mount a ro partition as rw
[21:54] <dobey> (for obvioius reasons)
[21:56] <Verc> The Epic Story Of Switching To Devel On Mako vol 124384720894762829:
[21:56] <Verc> "AssertionError: Missing destination files: ['/var/lib/system-image/keyring.tar.xz', '/var/lib/system-image/keyring.tar.xz.asc']"
[21:56] <Verc> and LOTS of other stuff
[21:59] <dobey> Verc: well if you have devel mode enabled, you can switch with ubuntu-device-flash. but don't use --wipe or --bootstrap
[22:00] <Verc> Ok. My curiosity takes over my data. I'll flash it
[22:01] <dobey> just avoid --wipe and --bootstrap and your data should be fine
[22:15] <adrian47> when i unpacked boot.img in bin folder i see many files that has 1.1MB, it is real?
[22:17] <adrian47> have*
[22:17] <adrian47> i want copy they into internal memory, and they take about 100MB
[22:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> IDK if theres a bug already, but I was wondering where I'd post a bug about when choosing a picture for contacts, if you select an image, it selects the image as is and it doesn't give you an option to crop it to the face
[22:55] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl_: content-hub i guess
[22:56] <dobey> or gallery-app/camera-app more likely
[22:58] <mandel> robru, can you remind me, if possible, how to add the package number to a symbols file? there was a regexp that was later substituted
[22:59] <robru> mandel: yeah, put 0replaceme as the version number and the train will mangle that into the version it's building.
[22:59] <robru> mandel: also works in any other files under debian/ dir
[22:59] <mandel> robru, awesome, thx
[22:59] <robru> mandel: you're welcome
[23:00] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> dobey I was thinking gallery-app was most likely :P
[23:43] <Verc> after the entire day I've got 15.04 <3
[23:43] <Verc> thanks!
[23:45] <Elleo> mandel: retested that MR, still giving problems I'm afraid
[23:45] <Elleo> mandel: looks like the helper doesn't report the size correctly
[23:45] <Elleo> mandel: have added a comment to the MR
[23:45] <mandel> Elleo, really.. weird, unzip -Zh should work.. do you have the logs?
[23:46] <Elleo> mandel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10417307/
[23:46] <mandel> Elleo, thx
[23:47] <mandel> Elleo, hmm start /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ubuntu-download-manager/udm-extractor--unzip --path /home/phablet/.cache/com.ubuntu.music/HubIncoming/2/Anais Mitchell - Xoa.zip --size3
[23:47] <Elleo> mandel: two downloads there, the first one succeeds (but probably shouldn't have, since it only left enough space after having deleted the original zip which I don't think your code accounts for), the second one runs out of space while unpacking so ends up with the log being truncated
[23:47] <mandel> Elleo, I wonder what is that 3 at the end :-/
[23:48] <Elleo> mandel: that's the output of the command
[23:48] <Elleo> mandel: I already tried running it and it just gives "3" as its output
[23:48] <mandel> Elleo, I'm stupid then, there is a 3 missing, thx ;)
[23:48] <mandel> Elleo, so that is clearly an issue with unzip in there.. gosh it that is the case I'm going to hate my life, on the desktopm amd64 works
[23:49] <mandel> Elleo, thx for the feedback, you can go on holidays :)
[23:49] <Elleo> :/
[23:49] <Elleo> heh, no problem
[23:52] <Elleo> mandel: are you setting the locale before calling unzip -Zh? I've just tried running it and I see its output is human readable in the form "Zip file size: 25113 bytes" if that has a different number of words in spanish for example it might be parsing the output differently
[23:53] <RobbyF> mariogrip, ok, I'm back anything i can help with
[23:54] <mandel> Elleo, like 526 in the diff =>  QRegExp rx("(\\d+)");
[23:54] <mandel> Elleo, and then I grab the first match, which should be the number :)
[23:54] <mandel> no locale to deal with
[23:54] <mandel> I sometimes do smart things with regular expressions hehehe
[23:55] <Elleo> mandel: ah, okay :)
[23:55] <mariogrip> RobbyF wanna test it out?
[23:56] <RobbyF> tempted too :)
[23:56] <mariogrip> I can see if i get multirom working on it
[23:56] <mariogrip> with it**
[23:57] <RobbyF> I've done a full back up anyhow.
[23:57] <RobbyF> I won't use multirom
[23:57] <mariogrip> Okey
[23:57] <RobbyF> although i should consider it
[23:57] <mariogrip> :)
[23:58] <mariogrip> Here is boot.img: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95916177934534402
[23:58] <mariogrip> Waiting for system.img to upload
[23:59] <mariogrip> do you have vivid downloaded? (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz)