[01:07] <ChloeWolfieGirl> just ctrl+q firefox by accident, what is life?
[01:22] <diddledan> oh boy that was fun
[01:39] <diddledan> WHEEEEE
[01:42] <diddledan> ok, who's fiddling with the cables?!
[02:13] <diddledan> no **** sherlock
[02:14] <diddledan> how to state the obvious, by evilmquin
[02:14] <diddledan> :-p
[02:15] <diddledan> I guess it's nice to acknowledge it
[02:16] <m0nkey_> boom, and now we have ubuntu installable from pxeboot
[02:16] <m0nkey_> heh, that's cool. booted ubuntu live over the network. no more USB media for me! :-D
[02:17] <diddledan> m0nkey_, \o/
[02:17] <diddledan> m0nkey_, freenas hosting the tftp?
[02:17] <m0nkey_> yup
[02:17] <m0nkey_> also nfs
[02:17] <diddledan> \o/
[02:17] <m0nkey_> have centos installable from it too
[02:19] <m0nkey_> also got clonezilla and memtest86+
[02:19] <m0nkey_> considering dban, but that will just rip apart any drive it sees
[05:17] <mapps> hi alll
[09:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:30] <awilkins> Oh joy, another software release from people who do not grok SSL
[09:30] <awilkins> http://www.ghacks.net/2015/02/23/privdog-is-superfish-all-over-again/
[09:36] <directhex> awilkins: that's the one from a major CA, no?
[09:36] <awilkins> I wonder if the WebSense thing does that too... yes, it's from Comodo
[09:37] <awilkins> THey had WebSense at my last place
[09:37] <awilkins> Snooped all SSL in a similar way, replacing certs
[09:38] <awilkins> With self-signed ones! Firefox complained
[09:38] <awilkins> It's just stupid really, training users to bypass security warnings
[09:40] <directhex> http://privdog.com/advisory.html
[09:45] <awilkins> At least that's the right way to handle it
[09:58] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Inconvenience Yourself Day! :-D
[09:59] <bashrc> how inconvenient
[10:00] <MooDoo> morning
[10:27] <NET||abuse> hey guys. anyone gone through 14.04 desktop upgrading to kernel 3.16.x?
[10:27] <NET||abuse> is it worth it?
[10:28] <NET||abuse> any major teething issues? Package support issues?
[10:28] <NET||abuse> especially the bumblebee type setups.
[10:40] <NET||abuse> quiet today, anyone in? :)
[10:40] <MooDoo> no i'm not here
[10:41] <NET||abuse> spooky! :)
[10:41] <bashrc> me neither
[10:41] <NET||abuse> so has anyone gone through installing linux-image-generic-lts-utopic on an existing 14.04 box?
[10:43] <popey> i have only one 14.04 box
[10:44] <popey> I should probably install that
[10:44] <JamesTait> NET||abuse, yes, several. I've noticed precisely zero difference. :)
[10:44] <JamesTait> Which is as it should be, I suppose.
[10:44] <NET||abuse> hehe, "Shuffling Zombie Juror"
[10:45] <NET||abuse> 80 changes and fixes to Btrfs filesystem
[10:45] <NET||abuse> that wins it for me.
[10:45] <popey> yeah
[10:45] <popey> thats why I'm doing it
[10:45] <popey> my server is on 3.13
[10:45] <NET||abuse> my home server is on 14.10
[10:46] <NET||abuse> and already on 3.16
[10:46] <NET||abuse> that's where my primary btrfs is. but..
[10:46] <NET||abuse> my main work lappy is 14.04
[10:47] <NET||abuse> and it's still on ext4
[10:51] <awilkins> Not really been tempted to use btrfs on my workstations yet
[11:01] <popey> i used it on my laptop for a while, but then switched back to ext4
[11:05] <awilkins> Possibly a mistake to chose a file system name that can be mistyped as "barfs" with jus tone error
[11:07] <NET||abuse> oh god guys, emergency convert dilema
[11:08] <NET||abuse> I convinced our scrum master to install 14.10 on his laptop yesterday, he's now experience some pretty aweful graphics performance, seems to be an open bug on this issue
[11:09] <NET||abuse> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1386721
[11:09] <NET||abuse> anyone else run into this?
[11:09] <NET||abuse> I have to fix this as i dont want my first convert in this office to fail .
[11:13] <awilkins> Is it Ubuntu GNOME you installed?
[11:13] <NET||abuse> no
[11:13] <NET||abuse> unity
[11:13] <NET||abuse> base install, no custom ppa's or anything
[11:13] <NET||abuse> he's using an xps 15, so you know, optimus.. but intel is the default driver
[11:13] <NET||abuse> so his intel performance is the issue here.
[11:14] <awilkins> Hmm
[11:14] <NET||abuse> he's not setup any bumblebee stuff himself, unless there's something in 14.10 by default for optimus?
[11:14] <awilkins> I think in 14.10 if you visit the "additional drivers" tool there will be an option for you
[11:14] <NET||abuse> he enabled the additional drivers for nvidia from the standard software & sources stuff, but they're not really used by default as far as i can tell
[11:15] <awilkins> Stick the output of lsmod on a pastebin somewhere
[11:15] <NET||abuse> since it's optimus, intel and nvidia are there, but there's not an option in the bios to suppress the nvidia card,
[11:15] <NET||abuse> ok, one sec.
[11:16] <NET||abuse> here iit is
[11:16] <NET||abuse> http://dpaste.com/3WXP65E
[11:17] <awilkins> So definitely running on the Intel chip and not the nvisia
[11:17] <NET||abuse> yep
[11:17] <NET||abuse> same as my own laptop
[11:17] <awilkins> Oh, hold on
[11:17] <NET||abuse> i've 14.04 on the same hardware
[11:18] <awilkins> nvidia too
[11:18] <NET||abuse> oh, both drm are loaded.
[11:18] <NET||abuse> you think that's an issue?
[11:18] <awilkins> Dunno
[11:18] <awilkins> You could try blacklisting the nvidia module
[11:18] <NET||abuse> how do you find out what's driving the current render context?
[11:19] <NET||abuse> huh,, aparently that's what bumblebee does, (at least as far back as 2012,
[11:19] <awilkins> Have you tried installing bumblebee
[11:19] <NET||abuse> nope
[11:19] <NET||abuse> is it available in 14.10 default repo's?
[11:20] <awilkins> Apparently
[11:21] <awilkins> Yup, in universe
[11:21] <awilkins> (and for Trusty too)
[11:25] <NET||abuse> just had him install that and reboot (with added nvidia support) and it now seems to have fixed the issue.
[11:25] <NET||abuse> gonna post this experience on that bug
[11:36] <NET||abuse> some one else said they had bumble bee installed and still experienced issues.. i'll have to monitor the situation.
[11:36] <NET||abuse> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1386721/comments/30
[13:11] <bugfix> buongiorno, come faccio a settare la scheda audio cmi8738 di default  su ubuntu 14.04
[13:12] <bugfix> sorry my mystake
[13:16] <knightwise> hey bugfix
[13:19] <bugfix> GM, knightwise
[13:25] <diddledan> evening
[13:32] <SuperMatt> not quite
[13:33] <diddledan> so much hate in bug #1268257
[13:34] <diddledan> nobody is actually commenting with anything useful just with hatred saying "I'm gonna go debian, so poo on you!"
[13:35] <awilkins> It's a wee bit annoying
[13:35] <awilkins> But fixable with a 1 line workaround...
[13:35] <awilkins> (each time it occurs)
[13:36] <awilkins> They should just write that into the bug description TBH
[13:36] <awilkins> Hmm, I can edit it
[13:37] <awilkins> Dunno if I can save the edit
[14:33]  * Laney calls double glazing companies to get quotes
[14:33] <Laney> no moar cold office
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> they sign Laney up for triple glazing companies cold calling lists...
[14:34] <Laney> oh noes
[15:01] <knightwise> hmm... need to figure out hibernate on this Surface pro1
[15:02] <knightwise> rebooting is a little bit of a drag
[15:06] <davmor2> Laney: but cold coffee is the only way to drink it, 1: you're a coder so forget about it, 2: you work for Canonical so get pulled into meetings and forget about it, 3: you work at Canonical so get pulled into coding debates and forget it, 4: Buy a thermal Mug end of cold coffee :P
[15:11] <awilkins> Or just roll with it and make frappes
[15:11] <zmoylan-pi> get a usb heated mug... http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0016LE4HM?*Version*=1&*entries*=0
[15:12] <awilkins> really? What kind of thermal output can you get out of 500ma at 5V? And is it good for your motherboard?
[15:14] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't take much heat to really slow down your coffee going cold
[15:14] <intrbiz> USB 3, 2A @ 5V would be 20W, which would take about a minute to raise 250ml of water by 1 degree Kelvin based on my back of an envelope maths
[15:15] <awilkins> Yeah, but you also have to take into account the heat radiated from the cup and the surface of the coffee
[15:15] <intrbiz> awilkins: sure, would need good insulation
[15:16] <awilkins> I suppose that one is insulated and also has a lid
[15:16] <awilkins> Is it actually a USB mug?
[15:16] <awilkins> Or is that a USB form factor 12V connector - says it's a 12V mug
[15:17] <awilkins> It's probably Naughty to run 12V through a USB plug
[15:17] <zmoylan-pi> there are usb variants these days i've seen, that one just showed up on quick search
[15:18]  * zmoylan-pi remembers seeing a cpm computer that had 240v running through part of the motherboard after it was modified by engineer instead of the usual 12v
[15:18] <intrbiz> USB sockets seem to be rated for 30V
[15:20] <intrbiz> USB 3,1 is going to allow upto 100W of power
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> will have to make a cover to prevent babies sticking wet fingers in usb sockets...
[15:21] <ali1234> that's 20A...
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> s/babies/eejits/
[15:21] <popey> thems some fat cables
[15:22] <intrbiz> IIRC USB 3.1 neogates the voltages to reduce the current required
[15:22] <diddledan> err, neogates?
[15:22] <zmoylan-pi> close enough
[15:23] <intrbiz> diddledan: however you spell it
[15:24] <intrbiz> USB 3.1 can go upto 20V @ 5A
[15:24] <diddledan> intrbiz, I'm not sure what you mean so can't work out how it should be spelt :-p
[15:25] <moreati> USB 3.1 negotiates higher voltages/currents, before it delivers that power through the cable. Unless the infant can talk USB they'll get the default 5V/100 - 500 mA
[15:25] <intrbiz> diddledan: negotiates is what I mean :P
[15:25] <diddledan> aha
[15:26] <diddledan> moreati, kids are quite clever these days
[15:26] <diddledan> moreati, I used to be able to speak modem :-p
[16:35] <davmor2> popey: uu 58 is getting harder now, and mvm level 8 I'm pretty sure is impossible ;)
[16:36] <davmor2> level 8 on hard that is
[18:16] <leviathaan> is it possible to open an ost file under ubuntu?
[18:19] <knightwise> ost ...
[18:19] <knightwise> what kind of file is that ?
[18:20] <awilkins> Outlook store
[22:22] <mapps> hi all
[22:22] <mapps> ;]
[22:26] <zmoylan-pi> \o
[22:33] <shauno> o/
[22:42] <shauno> (that snowden docu is on 4 in a wee while (2305) if anyone's still feeling nerdy)
[22:47] <zmoylan-pi> i watched it yesterday, it's excellent
[22:49] <m0nkey_> i'm kinda hoping that the docu is libre
[22:50] <diddledan> shauno, citizenfour?
[22:50] <shauno> yeah
[22:57] <diddledan> custard causes obesity?
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> how many litres per day do you need to consume? :-)
[23:19] <diddledan> I'm not sure there's a custard RDA
[23:20] <shauno> there should be
[23:21] <shauno> but then, caffeine has an OD limit and it's all lies (we tried)
[23:21] <daftykins> hi gents
[23:22] <diddledan> lol
[23:22] <diddledan> allo daftykins
[23:22]  * daftykins is back from an 11hr funeral
[23:29] <daftykins> or rather there may've been a few pints afterward...
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> but when you've drank enough coffee doesn't the phasing ability it gives you prevent you from drinking any more? :-)
[23:37] <diddledan> yeah the bmw mini is twice the size of the original mini
[23:37] <diddledan> mini in name only
[23:37] <diddledan> the bmw mini is actually bigger than some other cars
[23:38] <diddledan> and ffs @ the proliferation of those gambling adverts
[23:38] <daftykins> it's all mapps fault
[23:38] <daftykins> :D
[23:38] <diddledan> teehee
[23:39] <diddledan> I swear they're all the same group just tax-broken separate company names
[23:39] <zmoylan-pi> their passangers are getting larger...
[23:39] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, it's all the custard
[23:39] <shauno> the germini isn't a mini, it's a MINI.
[23:40] <daftykins> i am the passenger ~
[23:41] <shauno> I ride, and I ride
[23:41] <daftykins> suddenly i want to play that
[23:42] <zmoylan-pi> the smart car is smaller than original mini even if it only seats 2
[23:44] <daftykins> ooh it is Iggy Pop
[23:47] <shauno> the original mini is a tardis
[23:48] <zmoylan-pi> my grandad used to take pigs to market in a mini
[23:49] <shauno> you sure you're a dub?  sounds more like waterford
[23:49] <zmoylan-pi> he lived in kildare
[23:50] <daftykins> i'd dare 'im to kil a pig whilst driving said mini
[23:52] <shauno> seriously though, the original mini is one of the bigger cars I've been in
[23:52] <shauno> I mean, it's no land rover
[23:54] <funkyHat> I drove the new mini clubman the other day. That's even *less* mini