[03:33] <Kilos> morning sleep heads
[03:52] <Kilos> Fetched 134 MB in 2min 43s (815 kB/s)           im sure this is cooking my modem'
[03:56] <Kilos> system restart needed after that fat upgrade
[04:00] <Kilos> back
[04:33] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[04:33] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[04:34] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[04:35] <mazal> Môre oom
[04:42] <Kilos> nice to wake up to rain
[04:42] <Kilos> makes you want to sleep more
[04:55] <barrydk> Much needed
[04:59] <Kilos> yeah
[05:10] <Padroni> mornign
[05:11] <Kilos> hello padr
[05:11] <Kilos> oi
[05:18] <Pad_a_way> hi
[05:18] <Kilos> padowan went away straight away
[05:18] <Pad_a_way> sorry - about to reboot
[05:18] <Kilos> np
[05:18] <Kilos> hehe
[05:18] <Pad_a_way> this kali install screwed up my win7 install
[05:18] <Pad_a_way> busy getting that fixed
[05:19] <Kilos> ai!
[05:19] <Pad_a_way> I keep windows for Adobe Master Suite and one game
[05:19] <Pad_a_way> brb
[05:19] <Kilos> k
[05:41] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[05:41] <mazal> What a mess !!!
[05:41] <Kilos> what?
[05:41] <mazal> inetpro: I signed Code of Conduct
[05:41] <Kilos> well done
[05:42] <mazal> There is no way a normal user will be able to do that
[05:42] <Kilos> no never
[05:42] <mazal> If they want more people to sign that they will have to implement an easier clearer procedure
[05:42] <mazal> I struggled my ^%#%$ off
[05:42] <Kilos> lol
[05:42] <mazal> barry gave it one look and said no way
[05:43] <Kilos> its that gpg key hey
[05:43] <mazal> And so will every normal user
[05:43] <SDCDev> Morning Kilos
[05:44] <mazal> Kilos: The whole process is a mess and confusing , the key , the sending to ubuntu server , the sending to key ring server , the fingerprint register on launchpad , the actual signing
[05:44] <Kilos> and i think from a different pc you have to do it again
[05:44] <mazal> It's crazy !!
[05:44] <mazal> I won't do it again
[05:44] <Kilos> lol
[05:44] <Kilos> then stay on the same pc
[05:44] <Kilos> did you do it on your external?
[05:46] <Kilos> haha
[05:46] <Kilos> imagine how i battled
[05:46] <Kilos> the fly had to help me in the end for this pc and pro helped me when i first signed on my old pc
[05:47] <Kilos> it recognizes the pc i think
[05:48] <Kilos> very serious security job that
[05:55] <mazal> I did the "backup" your keys process , won't I be abled to use that to import my keys in case of re-install ?
[05:56] <Kilos> i have no idea, thats all way above me
[05:58] <Kilos> its very involved, it even told me to open another app so it could complete the key
[06:02] <mazal> Yeah I also had to open apps and type in documents and stuff. But that was the easy part
[06:02] <Kilos> lol
[06:25] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:26] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[06:26] <Kilos> thatgraemeguy is a guest today
[06:26] <Kilos> hello Guest15282  
[06:27] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[06:27] <Guest15282> hrm
[06:28] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> ta
[06:30] <Kilos> mazal  all that effort is mainly for peeps serious about becoming ubuntu members i think but worth it in the long run
[06:30] <Kilos> you get a sjambok
[06:51] <Kilos> hi captine  
[06:51] <captine> hi Kilos 
[06:52] <captine> i keep getting "input output error" on my xubuntu machine.  cannot open firefox now... 
[06:52] <captine> very weird.  keeps telling me /tmp cannot be mounted etc... think something is a bit messed up
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> smells like dying hard disk
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> or bad cable or faulty SATA port
[06:53] <Kilos> eish
[06:53] <Jacques_Stry> ouch
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> 99% bad drive, 0.9% dodgy SATA port, 0.1% bad cable
[06:53] <captine> ThatGraemeGuy, i think the hard disk might be busting out... 2008 macbook
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> correct
[06:54] <captine> can gparted do a test?
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> back up important stuff as soon as you can, assuming you never back up regularly
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> most people don't until its too late
[06:54] <captine> dont have anything on this laptop
[06:54] <Kilos> captine  le3t me find a way to mark he bad blocks
[06:54] <captine> other than some bazaar stuff.
[06:55] <captine> main machine is a desktop.  just use this for IRC and fiddling.
[06:55] <Kilos> i have to find where i saved the commands
[06:55] <Kilos> fsck marks them and doesnt use them
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> replace the drive
[06:56] <Jacques_Stry> yes - the reason for bad blocks could be damaged head
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> drives are manufactured with spare blocks, and the firmware automatically handles mapping and re-allocation
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> by the time your O/S starts becoming aware of bad blocks, its because the disk has run out of spare blocks
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> backup your data, replace the drive
[06:57] <captine> ThatGraemeGuy, thanks.  no cash to replace.  will just use if for irc until it dies
[06:57] <Kilos> ai!
[07:00] <captine> let me be daring and upgrade to 15.04 beta...  nothing to lose really. :)
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> good idea, generate lots of I/O on a failing disk, that'll make it last longer
[07:01] <captine> :)
[07:01] <captine> if not why not
[07:01] <captine> rather it die when expected, and not by "surprise"
[07:01] <Kilos> captine  first find the bad area and dont use it
[07:02] <Kilos> you need to format to ext2 then run gparted and get it to check
[07:03] <Kilos> that marks the bad blocks
[07:03] <Kilos> im still looking for the command to run while in the os
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> ai
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> caaaaary on
[07:05] <inetpro> ai!
[07:05] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[07:05] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: peeps don't want to listen to you?
[07:05] <inetpro> Kilos: please get the sjambok for captine
[07:05] <inetpro> captine: he's right man
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh, he must carry on, I said my 2c
[07:06] <captine> :)
[07:07] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:07] <Kilos> captine  http://slexy.org/view/s20CXqTsmW
[07:07] <Kilos> that will check and tell you if bad blocks is your prob
[07:07] <Kilos> inetpro  he cant replace it atm
[07:08] <Kilos> been there done that
[07:08] <Kilos> i forgot to use the new bin
[07:10] <inetpro> Kilos, captine: what ThatGraemeGuy is saying is, be ready for the big crash
[07:10] <inetpro> it's around the corner
[07:10] <captine> yip
[07:10] <captine> nothing nb on tismachine
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, stop giving false hope
[07:14] <mazal> ish
[07:14] <captine> lol
[07:15] <captine> ThatGraemeGuy, love your frankness :)
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> some don't digest it very well :-)
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> s/some/most :P
[07:15] <mazal> captine: You know drive is failing but don't want to replace it ? I don't understand
[07:16] <mazal> inetpro: You gave me big job this morning :P
[07:16] <captine> mazal, this is an old machine.  i dont have cash now.  second child on the way... just bought a printer, had to replace my entire lawn and waiting for refund from bad lawn company that wrecked my lawn with glass in their topsoil etc
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> drive is failing but Kilos is handing out some mumbo jumbo commands to supposedly rescue it
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> there is no rescue
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> captine: just sell the first child, you can make another one later again
[07:17]  * ThatGraemeGuy runs away
[07:17] <captine> lol
[07:17] <captine> unlikely to pass wa control
[07:18] <mazal> 3.5" Sata captine ?
[07:18] <Jacques_Stry> 2.5
[07:18] <Jacques_Stry> macbook
[07:18] <captine> 2.5
[07:18] <mazal> From where are you ?
[07:19] <captine> can only take up to 500gig.. apparently.  still have the old 160 gig that i took out, so can alway pop that one back in
[07:19] <captine> mazal, Jhb
[07:19] <mazal> oh ok
[07:19] <captine> I am not stressed. it is not my main machine.  might think about selling it and trying to get a lenova x220 second hand or something... when my ship comes in :)
[07:21] <mazal> If you were closer to me I could have helped with a 250 that I still have that was in my PS3
[07:23] <captine> mazal, thanks for the offer.  Don't stress.
[07:23] <Kilos> lol
[07:23] <captine> will revert to the 160 if/when needed
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> we just threw out dozens of old HDDs the other day
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> I didn't bother taking any because they were all 80GB-500GB
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> here and there a 1TB
[07:24] <captine> i am a hoarder... remember me when throwing the next round out :)
[07:25] <captine> ThatGraemeGuy, where do you work?  Cannot remember if I asked you before?
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> hetzner
[07:27] <Symmetria> morning
[07:27] <captine> ah yes.  i remember now.  u use proxmox etc there...
[07:27]  * Symmetria sighs
[07:27] <Symmetria> I am grumpy :P
[07:27] <Kilos> hi Symmetria  
[07:28] <Symmetria> I tried buying a gigabit network card (pcie) in Kenya
[07:28] <Symmetria> believe it or not, no one had one
[07:28] <Symmetria> they had plenty of 10/100 PCI cards.... but not pci-e gigabit capable cards....
[07:28] <Kilos> welcome to africa
[07:28] <Symmetria> who the fuck even makes 10/100 PCI cards anymore?
[07:30] <captine> crazy
[07:31] <captine> here in SA there are also lots of 10/100's in the stores.  i hunted for a gig nic on a weekend once.
[07:33] <captine> man. those hp micro servers are pricey now days...
[07:36] <Kilos> what isnt
[07:37] <Squirm> morning
[07:37] <captine> anyone see the articles about sybaritic closing down?  I ordered a hdd last year from them, but canceled as they took too long to confirm availability.  fortunately i didnt pay as may have struggled to get cash back
[07:37] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[07:38] <Kilos> lucky
[07:42] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[07:42] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  
[07:42] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos :)
[07:47] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[07:53] <clr> clr wondering where Kilos went.  Normally I would get a prompt 'wb clr'
[07:53] <Kilos> here
[07:53] <Kilos> sorry
[07:53] <clr> hehe
[07:53] <Kilos> hi clr  
[07:54] <clr> so after the meeting last night I joined the ubuntu-za on launchpad and signed the ubuntu code of conduct
[07:54] <Kilos> well done, big job that
[07:54] <clr> I now have an unsigned  pgp key.  Have you had any keysigning parties or what do you do to help out with that
[07:55] <Kilos> ask inetpro  
[07:55] <clr> Ok, inetpro, ^^
[07:55] <inetpro> ai!
[07:55] <Kilos> lol
[07:56] <Kilos> mazal  did it this morning
[07:57] <inetpro> if people see this as such a massive challenge, could someone please put together a simplified step by step documentation for those who haven't done it yet
[07:57]  * inetpro has forgotten about the process long ago
[07:58] <Kilos> big job maybe mazal  wrote it down
[07:59] <inetpro> Kilos: please use the sjambok to assign someone to do it on trello
[07:59] <Kilos> lol
[07:59] <Kilos> clr get trello
[08:00] <clr> intetpro, there is a good howto on ubuntu already.  I'm just saying, I created a pgp key but have not had it signed by anyone. So it is untrusted.  Surely we need to get keys signed to get it trusted  
[08:00] <Kilos> you put the key in something and thats your signature if i remember right
[08:00] <clr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[08:01] <mazal> That's the one I followed ^^
[08:02] <clr> Kilos, I will ge trello, just not now. I am in a meeting :/  Maybe tonight
[08:02] <Kilos> cool
[08:02] <mazal> Problem I found with that one , you don't know up to where is neccesary just for the code of cunduct as that one is a overall gpg one
[08:03] <mazal> Then ran into problems with launchpad and had some seperate steps with launchpad
[08:03] <Kilos> mazal  will you write up a how to for that key thing please
[08:03] <mazal> Then ran into problems again cos there were 1 step missing from the gpg one that wasn't done
[08:04] <clr> I can also help with the how-to
[08:04] <mazal> So my main struggle was that everything is documented somewhere , but not all in one place. I had to jump around to various sources to get 1 job done
[08:05] <mazal> That's just my perspective
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a pgp key listed on my launchpad, but NO idea how I got it there and NO idea what to use it for :-/
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <Kilos> painful experience getting that done
[08:06] <clr> haha ThatGraemeGuy do you still have the private key?
[08:06] <mazal> indeed
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes I made a backup of it
[08:07] <clr> I have a key that is registered on the key server that I can't access cause I lost the private key, so can't even revoke it.  It's going to be stuck there forever
[08:08] <Jacques_Stry> I'm gonna cry or scream - been trying to get a dsl line installed for the last 2 weeks....
[08:08] <clr> eish, mine was up within 2 or three days
[08:09] <Kilos> telkom is very busy you know
[08:09] <Kilos> keeping my connection stable
[08:10] <Jacques_Stry> ATM they tell me that the line needs to verified, so I tried doing it on the site but it's not recognising my order nr. and the tech support line cut out and now i have been holding on for 35 min again...
[08:10] <Kilos> ai!
[08:11] <Jacques_Stry> What's the legal repercussions for burning down our only provider down?
[08:11] <Jacques_Stry> Just asking for in case...
[08:13] <Jacques_Stry> It seems I can't build proper sentences anymore - double down
[08:16] <Jacques_Stry> But lets be positive - So how's the Africa site progressing?
[08:16] <Kilos> ai!
[08:19] <Jacques_Stry> The trello says needs african theme, you guys need art?
[08:20] <Kilos> im not sure what the fly has planned. if you work in the twit branch it should look similar to our site
[08:21] <Kilos> i think
[08:22] <Kilos> maybe a map change or something but its a za initiative so we can be prominent there too
[08:23] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[08:23] <magellanic> heya
[08:25] <clr> Kilos, please paste the link to the trello board
[08:25] <magellanic> doesn't maaz know
[08:25] <magellanic> Maaz: trello?
[08:25] <Maaz> magellanic: What?
[08:26] <magellanic> Maaz: trello link
[08:26] <Maaz> magellanic: Excuse me?
[08:26] <Kilos> sec
[08:26] <Kilos> https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[08:27] <Kilos> ai!
[08:29] <magellanic> Maaz: trello is https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[08:29] <Maaz> magellanic: I'll remember that
[08:29] <magellanic> Maaz: trello?
[08:29] <Maaz> magellanic: trello is https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[08:29] <Kilos> haha
[08:29] <Kilos> Maaz  trello link
[08:29] <Maaz> https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[08:30] <clr> how do I get access to the board? I already signed up a trello account
[08:30] <Kilos> give pro your user name and he will add you
[08:31] <Kilos> or give it here
[08:31] <Kilos> ill ry add you
[08:31] <Kilos> try as well
[08:32] <Kilos> me needs to fix my keyboard
[08:40] <clr> done thanks
[08:43] <Kilos> welcome to our trello
[08:43] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[08:44] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[08:48] <magellanic> you fell for the trello trap huh
[08:48] <magellanic> :p
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[08:48] <Kilos> only you are playing hard to get magellanic  
[08:48] <magellanic> lol
[08:49] <magespawn> magellanic: i sorry, not following that
[08:49] <Kilos> but we understand if you think its too difficult for you
[08:49] <mazal> barrydk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Fun_On_Ubuntu
[08:49] <magellanic> fine add me, in read only mode for now :p hirenpatel8 on trello
[08:49] <Kilos> lol
[08:50] <magellanic> oh it's so pretty!
[08:51] <Kilos> are you added?
[08:51] <magellanic> aha
[08:51] <Kilos> add thing closed itself
[08:52]  * magellanic checks out the arrange events card
[09:04] <Kilos> hmm... are we load shedding agin
[09:04] <magellanic> ask maaz
[09:04] <Kilos> lol
[09:05] <magellanic> ;)
[09:05] <Kilos> see what you been missing out on
[09:06] <magellanic> me?
[09:06] <magellanic> oh
[09:06] <magellanic> ya
[09:07] <Kilos> :-D
[09:09] <mazal> Why am I not getting alerts of Kilos's replies on trello on the companies card ?
[09:09] <magellanic> are you assigned on the card?
[09:09] <Kilos> ?
[09:10] <mazal> magellanic: Nope I'm not , if I "subscribe" I will get alerts yes ?
[09:10] <magellanic> yes
[09:10] <Kilos> yes
[09:10] <mazal> Almost missed that response from Kilos there
[09:10] <mazal> I have so many tabs and pages open now I feel surrounded :P
[09:11] <Kilos> lol just like me
[09:12] <magespawn> not working on pages today but on multiple cli
[09:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:18] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry  
[09:18] <Kilos> i thought you were load shed
[09:23] <Jacques_Stry> Was disconnected while telkom was working on the line
[09:23] <Jacques_Stry> new dsl line up!
[09:23] <Kilos> yay
[09:23] <Kilos> see 2 weeks wasnt too bad
[09:24] <Jacques_Stry> haha but the telephone guys messed up the filter connection on switchboard...
[09:24] <Jacques_Stry> so have to wait for him to come fix
[09:24] <Kilos> ai!
[09:25] <Jacques_Stry> if i had RJ11's on me would have done myself
[09:36] <Kilos> oi
[09:36] <Kilos> bb
[09:37] <Jacques_Clone> My phone - not gonna be in office allot today :-) 
[09:37] <Kilos> np
[09:42] <magespawn> gotta go, chat later
[09:58] <Jacques_Clone> Wanted to get a ubuntu mouse - shipping too expensive
[09:58] <Kilos> eish
[09:59] <Jacques_Clone> Ups wil cost 350 without custom taxes.
[10:00] <Jacques_Clone> So mouse will cost R700-750
[10:00] <Kilos> how much does customs add on
[10:01] <Kilos> that ups is cheaper than a ups battery here
[10:04] <Jacques_Clone> Haha customs should be about R80
[10:19] <Kilos> wb Padroni  sorted?
[10:19] <Padroni> hi Kilos
[10:19] <Padroni> Win is still slow but better
[10:19] <Padroni> spend the better part of 1Gb data on update/upgrade Kali
[10:19] <Kilos> what is this kali thing
[10:20] <Padroni> Linux
[10:20] <Padroni> or rather, the pentester / hacker's linux
[10:20] <Kilos> ah
[10:20] <Padroni> it's a linux distro with all the best hacktools built in
[10:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:21] <Padroni> https://www.kali.org/
[10:21] <Padroni> go look
[10:21] <Kilos> ok
[10:22] <Padroni> there are other tools as well though
[10:22] <Padroni> not part of kali
[10:22] <Padroni> that I use
[10:22] <Padroni> like a hardware searchengine
[10:22] <Padroni> which returns online devices as results
[10:22] <Padroni> for example
[10:23] <magellanic> are you a security engineer?
[10:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:23] <Padroni> I can search for a specific brand of D-Link router, currently online in South Africa
[10:23] <Padroni> Then I can run login attempts on those till I get access
[10:23] <Kilos> find a 157 and send it here
[10:23] <Padroni> From there...
[10:23] <Padroni> some printers for example
[10:24] <Padroni> store everything scanned on them
[10:24] <Padroni> in memory
[10:24] <Kilos> and you can see that?
[10:24] <Padroni> So I can access that as well by searching for that specific brand of printer
[10:24] <Padroni> yes dude
[10:24] <Kilos> wow
[10:24] <Kilos> im too old to be a dude
[10:24] <Padroni> you know how many security cameras I have dicked around with?
[10:24] <Padroni> pan/zoom and generally just freak the people out?
[10:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:25] <Padroni> I hacked a guy's Teevo last year and copied saved movies from him
[10:25] <Padroni> Some Gordon Ramsey series as well
[10:25] <Kilos> you naughty
[10:25] <Padroni> Teevo is like a PVR thing from the states 
[10:25] <Padroni> no 
[10:25] <Padroni> I am not
[10:26] <Padroni> I search for online devices
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah it sounds like you pretty much are
[10:26] <Padroni> and use the default login
[10:26] <Padroni> if the default login works
[10:26] <Padroni> i did not break in, I logged in
[10:26] <magellanic> interesting
[10:26] <Padroni> grey area, i know
[10:26] <Padroni> but still
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok if thats how you want to spin it
[10:26] <Padroni> lol
[10:26] <Padroni> I don't hack.  I look.
[10:27] <Kilos> i think you are naughty
[10:27]  * Padroni goes and stands in the corner
[10:27] <Kilos> need some sjambok
[10:27] <Kilos> lol
[10:27] <Padroni> let's not get kinky now
[10:27] <Padroni> to early for that
[10:28] <Kilos> see already after a month or two you have mellowed some
[10:28] <Padroni> mellowed some?
[10:28] <Kilos> ya it was you that said you not a people person wasnt it
[10:29] <Padroni> I still am not
[10:29] <Padroni> I am a keyboard person though
[10:29] <Kilos> you will mellow
[10:29] <Kilos> but still find it hard to mix with normal peeps that dont understand your way of thinking
[10:30] <Padroni> yeah - well
[10:30] <Padroni> my job has made me paranoid
[10:30] <Padroni> or rather, the extra-mural clubs I belong to
[10:31] <Kilos> lol
[10:35] <Padroni> so what is the conclusion of the meeting last night?
[10:35] <Kilos> i think we are all happy with progress made so far this year
[10:35] <Padroni> except that we need another meeting in March?
[10:35] <Padroni> oh ok
[10:36]  * Padroni is reminded that he has yet to contribute anything 
[10:36] <mazal> and it was requested that everyone a. Join the launchpad group and b. Sign the code of conduct
[10:36] <Kilos> haha
[10:37] <Padroni> I think I have done both
[10:37] <Padroni> not sure 
[10:37] <Kilos> he cant do that and remain anon
[10:37] <Padroni> oh but he can...?
[10:37] <mazal> And a link to the lp group has already been added on the web site (I think)
[10:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:38] <Padroni> https://launchpad.net/~localhosthero
[10:38] <Padroni> That's me
[10:38] <mazal> Padroni: you need to join the Ubuntu za group as well
[10:38] <Padroni> link?
[10:38] <mazal> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[10:39] <Padroni> ah wait
[10:39] <Padroni> I need to be in ubuntu for the code of conduct thing
[10:40] <mazal> and people were reminded to fill in their info on the memberlist
[10:40] <mazal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[10:40] <Kilos> hes bang of wiki pages
[10:40] <Padroni> ugh
[10:41] <Padroni> I looked at that wiki
[10:41] <Padroni> I am NOT gonna peck-type my way through that crap
[10:41] <Padroni> one of you will need to volunteer, and I will give the details.
[10:41] <Kilos> lol
[10:41] <Padroni> that is almost as bad as MS Word-generated HTML
[10:41] <Padroni> jeez
[10:42] <mazal> i will help with that
[10:42] <Kilos> wait till youve singned the code of conduct and got a gpg key
[10:42] <Padroni> ok
[10:43] <Kilos> then wikis are a breaze
[10:43] <Kilos> breeze too
[10:46] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd  
[10:46] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[10:47] <mazal> Kilos: I will add Padroni once info is received
[10:47] <Kilos> cool
[10:48] <mazal> hi andrewlsd
[10:50] <magellanic> heya andrewlsd 
[10:50] <Padroni>  mazal
[10:50] <Padroni> app date?
[10:55] <Kilos> i go lie down a bit, you guys can greet joiners if you please
[10:55] <andrewlsd> Hi Mazal, Magellanic
[11:01] <Padroni> wow
[11:02] <Padroni> helo_name Windows7-PC.www.huaweimobilewifi.com @ 197.228.173.219.telkomadsl.co.za
[11:02] <Padroni> good lord
[11:02] <Padroni> what else do I need to rape this person?
[11:02] <Padroni> this all from a mail header
[11:03] <Padroni> 1. OS 2. Router 3. IP
[11:04] <Jacques_Stry> All of the above :)
[11:05] <Jacques_Stry> mazal: I see you allready added LP to ubuntu-za.org
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy>  you might try some more savory language, this is an official Ubuntu channel after all
[11:42] <Padroni> Noted.
[11:53] <Symmetria> heh
[11:53] <Symmetria> everyone ready for the rand to go to hell? :)
[11:55] <Webtricity> and for taxes to go up
[11:55] <Webtricity> i hope we dont get another ratings downgrade
[11:59] <Padroni> anyone here know about bluray players?
[11:59] <Padroni> I need one that offers network browsing
[12:02] <Symmetria> heh Webtricity honestly? for me living out of the country and being paid in dollars 
[12:02] <Symmetria> and with the forex market trades I just made
[12:02] <Symmetria> I have to say, don't shoot me, but I'm hoping the opposite
[12:03] <Symmetria> I just went short on the rand, and *HARD* 
[12:03] <andrewlsd> "a blue ray player that offers network browsing" << sounds like a laptop
[12:03] <andrewlsd> :-P
[12:03] <Webtricity> Symmetria, if you are living outside of SA earning USD, then yeah, capitalize on it
[12:04] <Webtricity> For those who for some odd reason still live in SA, well... One day we will wake up
[12:04] <Symmetria> Webtricity heh, well, I short sold a million dollars worth of rand currency in the hope it falls for when I buy back to cover the short 
[12:04] <Symmetria> so if the rand tanks 10% I'll make a quick 100 grand 
[12:04] <Symmetria> if it rises 10%, its gonna hurt like hell :)
[12:05] <Webtricity> What i'd suggest you do is make a list of upcoming events when Zuma will speak... You can bet that after every speech he makes, the rand will drop
[12:05] <magellanic> lol andrewlsd, indeed
[12:05] <magellanic> heya Symmetria 
[12:07] <Kilos> hi Webtricity  welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:07] <Kilos> never seen you before
[12:08] <Webtricity> Hey Kilos
[12:08] <Kilos> maybe i was asleep
[12:08] <Webtricity> I haven't been in here before...
[12:08] <Webtricity> Trying to track down .za IRC, so that brought me here
[12:08] <Kilos> Padroni  is that you?
[12:09] <Padroni> eh?
[12:10] <Kilos> Webtricity  share with us, what do you do and where are you
[12:10] <Kilos> we wlike seeing new faces here
[12:10]  * andrewlsd greets Webtricity
[12:12]  * Padroni waves
[12:19] <Webtricity> *waves*
[12:19] <Webtricity> I work in ICT, currently VoIP
[12:19] <Webtricity> in Jhb
[12:19]  * Padroni pays attention
[12:19] <Kilos> nice
[12:20] <Webtricity> What do you do Kilos?
[12:20] <Kilos> are you looking for a certain .za on irc i only know one
[12:20] <Kilos> i do as little as possible, im kinda retired
[12:20] <Webtricity> Not looking for anything specific, just noticed that IRC in .za is dying down, not many networks left, so trying to figure out where all the people went
[12:21]  * Padroni noticed as well
[12:21] <Padroni> people Whatsapp these days
[12:21] <Kilos> oh ya
[12:21] <Padroni> only us oldschool folks still IRC
[12:21] <Kilos> we went quiet for a wehile too
[12:21] <Kilos> busy reviving now
[12:21] <Padroni> but I guess this means us geeks got IRC back for ourselves?
[12:22] <Webtricity> Well, the .za userbase seems to have assimilated into channels on bigger networks, rather than forming nice .za networks
[12:22] <Symmetria> uhoh he hiked the budget deficit
[12:23] <Webtricity> In the late 90's and early 2000's, I was too young to have access to decent hosting, now I do and there is no big need for it
[12:23] <Kilos> lol
[12:23] <Symmetria> facebook killed the irc star
[12:23] <Symmetria> ;p
[12:23] <Symmetria> actually irc numbers have been declining for years 
[12:23] <Symmetria> trust me :) I still run a coupla efnet servers
[12:24] <Kilos> ya blame twitter as well
[12:24] <Padroni> I used to chat on irc.atrum.org
[12:24] <Padroni> years back
[12:25] <Symmetria> lol I was banned from most of the za networks for years
[12:25] <Symmetria> ;p
[12:25] <Webtricity> agreed, but facebook and twitter are where the new blood are going... What happened to the old blood? Folks must still be lurking somewhere
[12:25] <Webtricity> Symmetria... Well...
[12:25] <Symmetria> Webtricity, lol, maybe if I do this it will make more sense
[12:25]  * Vortexia grins
[12:25] <Kilos> hmm... old blood
[12:26] <Symmetria> lol I been on irc now since 1993 ;p
[12:26] <Webtricity> Symmetria, I know you used to go by Vortexia
[12:27] <Webtricity> Thats why I said Well... You did not always play very nicely with others if I recall correctly :P
[12:27] <Kilos> lol
[12:27] <Kilos> he still doesnt
[12:27] <Webtricity> haha
[12:27] <Kilos> Symmetria  hows the deb-delta plan coming along
[12:27] <Symmetria> Webtricity I dont believe in playing nicely with others :P I want what I want, and I generally get it 
[12:27] <Webtricity> Symmetria, remember darkness.blabber.net?
[12:28] <Symmetria> lol, blabber.net.... the network aragon managed to fuck up and kill 
[12:28] <Symmetria> timewiz and I built that network
[12:28] <Webtricity> Yeah I know
[12:28] <Symmetria> aragon screwed it up
[12:28] <Symmetria> does it still exist? ;p
[12:28] <Webtricity> You also stole my userbase of 500 users or so, so I can say I contributed to it
[12:29] <Webtricity> It has one server up now, no users though
[12:29] <Symmetria> heh I think I'm probably the longest standing irc user still using irc in the za context ;p
[12:29] <Webtricity> Gaspode is still around
[12:30] <Symmetria> lol only to increase his idle time
[12:30] <Symmetria> he hasnt done shit on irc in years 
[12:30] <Webtricity> Yeah, he is not active per se
[12:30] <Webtricity> Atrum is still going relatively strong
[12:30] <Webtricity> apart from that there isnt much else
[12:30] <Webtricity> Shadowfire is still around, but its a ghost town
[12:31] <Webtricity> Does irc.ac.za have a good .za userbase?
[12:31] <Symmetria> 500 connected at the moment
[12:32] <Symmetria> :) which is probably busier than any other entire za network ;p
[12:32] <Webtricity> 500 connected from .za?
[12:32] <Symmetria> no idea wtf they connect from :)
[12:33] <Webtricity> yeah doubt there are 500 .za users on efnet
[12:35] <Symmetria> irc.ac.za attracts a lot of users because its v6 is dead stable
[12:35] <Symmetria> I have considered moving irc.ac.za to my house in KE though
[12:35] <Symmetria> I have the bandwidth and redundancy *shrug*
[12:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh wow, Gaspode
[12:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> blast from the past
[12:47] <Kilos> here i was hoping Webtricity  will be an improvement on eskomtricity
[12:47] <Webtricity> Never think I would be an improvement of anything
[12:47] <Webtricity> :P
[12:47] <Webtricity> You will find yourself let down
[12:47] <Kilos> lol
[12:50] <Webtricity> Symmetria, what work are you doing nowadays?
[12:52] <Symmetria> Webtricity I head up IP strategy for Liquid Telecommunications group
[12:53] <Webtricity> Very nice
[13:00] <Symmetria> holy shit
[13:00] <Symmetria> they hiked the hell outta the petrol in the budget
[13:00] <Webtricity> How much?
[13:01] <Symmetria> 30.6c a litre
[13:01] <Webtricity> Thats mad
[13:01] <Symmetria> you pay slightly less tax if you earning under half a mil a year gross 
[13:01] <Webtricity> Oh wait, so tax went down for under half a mil earners?
[13:01] <Symmetria> rebates and medical aid shit make it a net drop
[13:02] <Symmetria> after the 1% increase 
[13:03] <Symmetria> lol cigarettes just went up by 82c a pack
[13:03] <Symmetria> whisky up by R3 a bottle
[13:03] <Symmetria> beer up by 15c a beer 
[13:04] <Symmetria> electricity going up by 2c per kilowatt hour
[13:06] <Webtricity> Okay, so on the cigarettes and whiskey, thats about an extra R80 a month
[13:09] <Symmetria> ok Im outta here
[13:09] <Webtricity> Personal income tax will be raised by one percentage point for all taxpayers earning more than R181 900 a year.
[13:09] <Webtricity> Not sure how that is tax going down for people earning under half a mil
[13:15] <Padroni> Thankfully, I drink less whisky than before
[13:15] <Padroni> And I make my own beer
[13:15] <Padroni> So that does not affect me by much.
[13:15] <Kilos> haha
[13:16]  * andrewlsd waves goodbye to y'all.
[13:17] <andrewlsd> I'm out for the rest of the afternoon. Cheers.
[13:17] <Kilos> cheers andrewlsd  
[13:17] <Kilos> go well
[13:17] <Webtricity> I drink lots of whiskey
[13:18] <Padroni> I'm out too
[13:19] <Padroni> I might be back later
[13:19]  * Padroni waves
[13:19] <Kilos> go well pad
[13:19] <Kilos> ai!
[14:05] <superfly> good evening
[14:11] <Kilos> hi superfly  
[14:11] <Kilos> hi drussell  
[14:11] <Kilos> oh my
[14:14] <drussell> yo Kilos 
[16:26] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[16:26] <magespawn> good evening
[16:26] <Kilos> ai!
[16:27] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[16:27] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[16:30] <Kilos> magespawn  go pm man
[16:32] <magespawn> Kilos i am there
[16:44]  * Padroni waves
[16:44] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[16:44] <magespawn> hi Padroni 
[16:46] <Padroni> hi magespawn / Kilos
[16:48] <Padroni> One at a time, folks.
[16:48] <Padroni> Don't speak at once...
[16:48] <Kilos> lol
[16:53] <magellanic> hi Padroni
[16:53] <magellanic> I waited
[16:54] <Kilos> oops
[16:54] <Kilos> sorry
[16:55] <Kilos> for years i been typing mag tab now its hard to break the habit
[16:55] <magespawn> how to freak a touch screen phone out, put a small drop of water on the screen
[16:56] <magellanic> eish Kilos I spoilt it hey
[16:56] <Kilos> lol
[16:56] <Kilos> i run on habit and subconscious so please forgive me
[16:57] <magellanic> noted
[16:57] <magellanic> you can't even type mage tab
[16:57] <magellanic> so I'll forgive
[16:57] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <Padroni>  working a double again
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <Padroni> hi magellanic
[16:59] <Kilos> sjoe Padroni  
[16:59] <Padroni> I am eating in front of my computers again
[16:59] <magespawn> is there anyother way?
[16:59] <Kilos> when you bored go read what i have revived of my blog
[16:59] <Padroni> link?
[17:00] <Kilos> Maaz  kilos.blog
[17:00] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/
[17:04] <Kilos> hi qwebirc71983  
[17:07] <qwebirc71983> Hello
[17:07] <qwebirc71983> How goes it?
[17:09] <magespawn> Padroni: how long is a double?
[17:10] <Kilos> qwebirc71983  good ty and you
[17:10] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:11] <Padroni> 18 hours
[17:11] <Padroni> From 08H00 to 02H00
[17:11] <magespawn> that is hectic, what happens after that? time off etc?
[17:11] <qwebirc71983> I am good, been on Ubuntu for a while but had no idea such a chat existed, so you are all in south africa and all run ubuntu or some form of Linux?
[17:11] <Padroni> I get tomorrow off
[17:12] <Padroni> correct, qwebirc71983
[17:12] <Padroni> I have Ubu 14.04 as my desktop OS
[17:12] <magespawn> oh wow, and that is about that?
[17:12] <Padroni> and Kali on my laptop
[17:12] <Padroni> yes
[17:12] <Padroni> once or twice a week, I work a double shift in lieue of the next day off
[17:12] <Padroni> then I get to go do shit in office hours
[17:12] <Kilos> some of us have moved to other countries after jobs qwebirc71983  but most of us here use ubuntu 
[17:12] <Padroni> i have two long weekends a month this way
[17:13] <magespawn> i see, flexi time sort of?
[17:13] <Kilos> some of our guys are in silicon valley usa
[17:14] <Kilos> ohers in uk UAE and so on
[17:14] <qwebirc71983> that os great, cool stuff. So what do we discuss etc.....is it striclty ubuntu or anything within reason?
[17:14] <Kilos> nope
[17:15] <Kilos> you start by telling us what you do and where you etc etc
[17:15] <Kilos> we discuss family matters and farming and mechanical and some times just junk
[17:16] <Kilos> pity you werent here last night. we had our monthly meeting
[17:16] <Kilos> if you need help with most things someone should be able to help
[17:16] <magespawn> or at least  pint you in the right direction
[17:17] <magespawn> s/pint/point
[17:17] <qwebirc71983> I am Sys Admin for a company in Florida, Roodepoort. Work mainly on windows but when i get home im too tired for windows so i break out the Fedora or Ubuntu on my laptop. Dig network security busy with CCNP Security and hoping to score a CISSP in the futre
[17:17] <Kilos> magespawn  do you have the link to last nights minutes for him/her to catch up on
[17:18] <qwebirc71983> I'm a dude
[17:18] <Kilos> thats nice qwebirc71983  
[17:18] <Kilos> lol
[17:18] <Kilos> dudes wear fancy clothes
[17:18] <Kilos> we have a lady here too
[17:19] <Kilos> so we watch our language
[17:19] <Kilos> ohi superfly  sorry i missed you earlier
[17:19] <Kilos> qwebirc71983  we have hands full of sysadmins here
[17:19] <magespawn> will this suffice https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150224
[17:19] <Kilos> you are in the right place
[17:20] <Kilos> i dont think that gives last nights minutes
[17:20] <Kilos> month before maybe
[17:20] <magespawn> has the summary and the log
[17:20] <Kilos> thew pro is slacking again
[17:21] <Kilos> oh good
[17:21] <Kilos> sorry pro
[17:21] <magespawn> looks like it is the right minutes
[17:21] <Kilos> qwebirc71983  im the greeter bot here
[17:24] <Kilos> ha
[17:25] <Padroni> wait
[17:25] <Padroni> WAIT!
[17:25] <magespawn> half way through the converstion too
[17:25] <Padroni> There is a lady here?
[17:25] <Kilos> lol
[17:25] <Padroni> WHO IS SHE?
[17:25] <Kilos> shes hiding
[17:25] <Padroni> WHO? TELL ME NOW!!!!!
[17:25] <Kilos> nono
[17:26] <Kilos> she is studying and you will distract her
[17:26] <Padroni>  so she is real?
[17:26]  * Padroni stands amazed
[17:26] <Kilos> yes
[17:26] <Padroni> wow
[17:26] <Padroni> who knew?
[17:28] <Kilos> maybe i upset him when i said dudes wear fancy clothes
[17:29] <magespawn> Padroni: stranger than fiction
[17:29] <Padroni> lol
[17:30] <Padroni> that is good though
[17:30] <Padroni> I would not mind having my kids switch to Ubuntu
[17:30]  * Padroni thinks he should maybe just force it onto them...
[17:30] <magespawn> what is holding them back?
[17:31] <Padroni> probably me, to be honest.
[17:31] <Padroni> but they are still learning now
[17:31] <Padroni> they are only 8 and 10 respectively
[17:31] <Padroni> and pretty pc literate for their age
[17:31] <Padroni> better than quite a few of their teachers, anyway
[17:31] <Kilos> they learn so fast
[17:31] <magespawn> mm mine are 8 and 12
[17:32] <Padroni> my boy is 4 months old today
[17:32] <Padroni> #proud
[17:32] <Kilos> lol
[17:32] <magespawn> thats 3
[17:33] <Padroni> yup
[17:33] <Padroni> 3 kids
[17:33] <Padroni> one my own
[17:33] <magespawn> now that is hectic
[17:37] <Padroni> which part?
[17:37] <Padroni> three kids, or that just one is mine?
[17:43] <magespawn> both
[17:43] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <Kilos> magespawn  maybe he saw we got trello and was scared hed get roped in
[17:46] <magespawn> yup maybe
[17:56] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[17:56] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[17:56] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_  
[18:00]  * mazal peaks in quickly
[18:00] <Kilos> naand mazal  
[18:00] <Kilos> why quickly
[18:00] <mazal> On my way to go rest
[18:00] <Kilos> ah
[18:00] <mazal> Gaming done , resting time :P
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <mazal> Padroni, I didn't receive anything , so I just added what I know
[18:01] <mazal> Kilos, yeah was some racing tonight , now I'm moeg
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:02]  * mazal goes for long bath
[18:03] <Padroni> odd
[18:03] <Padroni> I sent the mail
[18:03] <Padroni> or rather, Outlook.com did - eventually
[18:12] <Padroni> anyone got Android or iPhone
[18:12] <Padroni> then get the game Duet
[18:12] <Padroni> it's insane
[18:12] <Padroni> and the soundtrack is awesome
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:13] <Padroni> try it
[18:14] <Kilos> not me man
[18:14] <Kilos> at times freecell is too fast for me
[18:16] <Padroni> no man
[18:16] <Padroni> seriaaz?
[18:16] <Padroni> I am addicted to Warthunder
[18:16] <Padroni> if you are into WWII era planes and tanks
[18:16] <Padroni> you should get that game
[18:16] <Padroni> it's INSANE
[18:17] <Padroni> and the graphics is awesome
[18:17] <Padroni> WWII war game, with classical music as soundtrack
[18:17] <Padroni> sounds dumb - but it WORKS.
[18:17] <Kilos> oh i like war games
[18:18] <Kilos> only played 2 
[18:18] <Kilos> red alert1 and AOE2
[18:18] <Kilos> then pc was too slow to go further
[18:18] <Padroni> your current pc?
[18:18] <Kilos> nope
[18:19] <Padroni> oh
[18:19] <Padroni> AOE is good
[18:19] <Kilos> this one is for linux 
[18:19] <Padroni> I liked it
[18:19] <Padroni> specs?
[18:19] <Kilos> 3g dual core 4g ddr3
[18:19] <Padroni> ah ok
[18:19] <Padroni> graphics card?
[18:20] <Kilos> nvidia 210 i think
[18:20] <Kilos> bottom of the range
[18:20] <Padroni> nah that is fine
[18:20] <Padroni> you can play warthunder
[18:20] <Padroni> www.warthunder.com
[18:20] <Padroni> big download
[18:20] <Padroni> WORTH IT
[18:20] <Kilos> how big?
[18:20] <Padroni> you can add me and I will buddy up with you
[18:20] <Padroni> 9Gb
[18:20] <Kilos> wow
[18:21] <Kilos> n o man i go 2 months on an 8ta 2 + 1
[18:21] <magespawn> a little more than most people have on mobile data in one month
[18:21] <Padroni> eish...
[18:21] <Padroni> i forget you guys use mobile data
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:21] <Padroni> I average 300-340GB / month
[18:21] <Kilos> wow
[18:21] <Padroni> i do 5Gb before lunch
[18:22] <Kilos> doing what?
[18:22] <Padroni> work
[18:22] <Padroni> I manage a datacentre's worth of servers
[18:22] <Kilos> ah
[18:22] <Padroni> That includes downloads though
[18:23] <Padroni> but I do not download every day
[18:23] <Padroni> in fact, I download very little for someone with uncapped
[18:24] <magespawn> this month the company is edging towards 479 Gb, first month on a capped account so i am bit nervous
[18:24] <Kilos> whew
[18:24] <magellanic> cap of how much?
[18:24] <magespawn> 479 Gb
[18:25] <magespawn> at about 92% so far
[18:25] <magellanic> are you monitoring what is using up the data though
[18:26] <magespawn> not strictly, we also provide all the guests in the hotels with wifi
[18:27] <magellanic> oh okay
[18:27] <magellanic> would be interesting to see
[18:27] <magespawn> and the bosses two houses etc
[18:27] <magespawn> very spread out geographically
[18:28] <magespawn> you get the odd person who uses a lot of video type stuff like youtube, but by far the most is system updates
[18:29] <magellanic> good reason to proxy them I guess
[18:30] <Padroni> if you have mostly the same OS, I would create a update server
[18:31] <Padroni> where all machines requests updates from one specific machine in the network
[18:31] <Padroni> one updates, the rest update from there
[18:31] <Padroni> not always possible though
[18:32] <magespawn> i can do that for each property which will cut down on that traffic, they company machines all run the same os and antivirus
[18:32] <Padroni> there ya go then
[18:32] <Padroni> at least you update your machines
[18:32] <Padroni> most places don't
[18:33] <magespawn> when if comes to downloads though the ones that always sneek up on me are the guests phones, they all see to update when on wifi
[18:34] <magellanic> yeah, I've seen places block google play store etc
[18:35] <Padroni> I have noticed that as well
[18:35] <Padroni> people update the shit out of their stuff when on free wifi
[18:35] <Padroni> it's odd
[18:48] <Padroni> I am off
[18:48] <Padroni> later folks.
[18:58] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:01] <inetpro> mazal: playing lekker with the wiki :-) 
[19:01] <inetpro> good evening 
[19:04] <magespawn> i inetpro
[19:04] <magespawn> hi too
[19:18] <magellanic> heya inetpro 
[19:19]  * mazal is off to bed
[19:19] <inetpro> thanks for the efforts mazal 
[19:20] <mazal> That's why I learned , so that I can help ;) is plz inetpro 
[19:20] <mazal> Sleep well everyone , God bless
[19:21] <mazal> Night
[19:21] <magellanic> later Maaz 
[19:21] <magellanic> mazal even
[19:23] <qwebirc85984> my internet went drunk for a minute, what did i miss?
[19:25] <magellanic> nothing hey