/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/26/#kubuntu-devel.txt

QuintasanI don't think this can be worse00:00
QuintasanAssuming we got the tars two weeks https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports COULD be 5.2.100:01
sgclarkQuintasan: that is because I deleted the new release as it was obviously causing issues00:05
claydohQuintasan: something ius odd, when I was looking at the ppas earlier, the latest updates in the next ppa were from about the past 24 hours00:06
sgclarkright00:06
claydohsgclark: gotcha00:06
sgclarkI uploaded last night, but have sinse deleted00:06
valorieoops, have errors00:06
QuintasanPlease don't do that again. IIRC the source packages remain and reuploading that is a pain but things might have changed00:07
sgclark5.2.1 is only vivid at this time00:07
valorienot sure how to get those to pastebin00:07
Quintasanclaydoh, valorie: I think it would be better to scrap that and install vivid if you want to live on the edge00:07
sgclarkQuintasan: I still have in ninjas and can copy over00:07
Quintasansgclark: Please do that00:07
valorie17 broken, 5971 new [-1]00:07
valoriesomething went wrong, packages may not have been reverted00:08
Quintasanvalorie, claydoh: hold on then.00:08
sgclarkQuintasan: err but everyone broke ..00:08
Quintasansgclark: Bringing the packages back is not going to make even worse, will it?00:08
QuintasanAnd we could actually try debugging this00:08
claydohQuintasan: I have vivd on my daily driver,  :p utopic is on my Kodi box, so it does not really matter, but gives me something to use as reference for those going that route00:08
valorieI would like to help others who are in the same boat00:09
valorieotherwise, vivid for me00:09
valorieI've been not doing it because of time issues00:09
QuintasanTBH I see little merit in debugging that since installing vivid would be faster. I'm not sure what's our policy on that PPA00:10
QuintasanIf we said we support that then I'm willing to help debug this00:10
valorieas a Councillor, this is what I'm seeing: we need some higher-level planning, and we don't have the man-power atm00:11
sgclarkyah00:11
sgclarkBreaks: kde-workspace-data00:11
valorieso, tell me how I can best help now00:11
sgclarkis kubuntu-plasma5-desktop which led to your madness valorie00:11
QuintasanCurrently I'm feeling like an outsider more than a developer since I have no effing idea how the infrastructure works now.00:11
valorieQuintasan: maybe that's a good thing00:11
sgclarkI am a current developer and I have no effing clue anymore00:12
valorieperhaps an outsider is needed00:12
QuintasanAnd it to me it feels like CI brings more trouble than it's worth00:12
valorieor two00:12
valorie:-)00:12
QuintasanAnd to me it feels*00:12
QuintasanChrist00:12
* valorie passes around coffee and cookies00:13
valorietea is on yon table00:13
sgclarkmy brain hurts00:13
Quintasansgclark: Truth be told this happened mostly because there was to testing from our side I believe.00:13
valoriemedicine cabinet in the back bath00:14
Quintasannext to no*00:14
QuintasanI can't even type.00:14
valorie:-)00:14
Quintasansgclark: Let me know when you're done with copying the magic00:14
valorieQuintasan: any use of the ppa-purge errors?00:15
Quintasanvalorie: Not really, this chain or breakage results most likely form the version mixup00:16
Quintasanof*00:16
valorieok00:16
QuintasanI can't type.00:16
* valorie adds chocolate on the side-table00:16
sgclarkQuintasan: right, I asked where to put this so it can be tested as it is to be an SRU, and next was the place00:16
valoriethat fixes most problems, IMO00:16
Quintasansgclark: :DDDD00:16
QuintasanI really need to get back on track.00:17
valoriewe need ya, man00:17
valorieplus I miss you00:17
valorienice to see sgclark around again, too00:17
QuintasanI would have to start not going to lectures.00:17
Quintasanargh00:17
valorieno no00:18
valoriereal life first00:18
QuintasanI really need to go for the first two weeks though,00:18
valoriethis second00:18
valoriereally, school is your foundation00:18
valorieno shorting on the school00:18
QuintasanI feel like I'm wasting time though.00:19
QuintasanMost of the stuff they teach is not even remotely useful00:19
sgclarkQuintasan: copy done, unfortunately I have no email as I was in the middle of working on my email server when this exploded00:20
QuintasanAlright, thanks00:21
sgclarkso i have no clue of failures00:21
sgclarkvalorie: pft it is your fault for sending me to bcooksley for the sok project lol00:21
Quintasanhue00:22
Quintasansgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next/+packages00:22
QuintasanLook at dem errors00:22
valoriesgclark: blame accepted00:22
valorienot sorry though00:22
valoriefixing things upstream is where it's at00:23
valorieit's just that we need more high school kids with time on their hands to run *this* place00:23
valorielike it used to be00:24
sgclarkQuintasan: ick00:25
sgclarkdid not quite work as I hoped00:25
QuintasanI feel like we should stop doing stuff like this (backporting new software stacks to older versions) unless it's really necessary.00:26
sgclarkyeah seems like something always goes wrong00:27
QuintasanI think it's mostly because we lack manpower to do everything and test stuff00:27
sgclarkI don't have time anymore to deal with it :(00:27
sgclarkyep00:27
sgclarkexactly00:27
claydohIt is one thing with kde bits in the same  major version,  this is a bigger jump00:27
Quintasanclaydoh: Well, if it's an incremental update then no problem, but if you try backporting something that's backwards incompatible then you WILL run into problems00:28
* claydoh cheated and won... replaced the next-backports with ci-stable00:29
claydohnow thats the way to fix stuff muashahah00:29
sgclarkoh cool00:29
valorieci-stable?00:29
valorieinstead of vivid?00:29
QuintasanWhy is this even named stable?00:29
claydohvalorie: quicker, and woth the shot00:29
valoriemmm00:29
valoriewell, I think I'll wait for Quintasan or sgclark to suggest that00:30
valorieno offense00:30
QuintasanYou can try this to recover00:30
valorielol00:30
QuintasanBut it might get even worse00:30
sgclarkQuintasan: actually it usually is, they roll out CDs with that ci-stable branch. there is something sersiously mucked with this next branch00:30
claydohI will attempt an upgrade to vivd soon, the hd in the PC has been upgraded successfully since raring at least, wanna keep a run on that00:30
valoriethis is my bottom line today: I'd like to help out00:30
Quintasansgclark: I'll be frank, I think this whole backport effort is a waste of time00:30
valorieso whatever is helpful, I will do00:31
QuintasanIf you want stable then stick to stable00:31
Quintasanif you want to live on the edge then either use vivid or ci repos00:31
valorieI wanted to test, but at the time had only the one laptop00:31
claydohQuintasan: we have some poeple asking for plasma 5 for 14.04, so....00:31
Quintasanbackporting plasma 5 to 14.10 which is still running plasma 4 isn't a good idea IMO00:31
claydoh(not many)00:31
valorieso ppa next seemed the ticket00:31
sgclarkI was asked to.. I don't even use utopic :(00:31
valorieI used to do neon, but that's gone00:31
QuintasanI have no idea what's next even supposed to be00:32
Quintasanvalorie: neon is replaced by CI repos afair00:32
valorieperhaps the vision that created that is gone/muddled00:32
valorienot sure00:32
sgclarkit is not consistant that is for sure as folks have a mix of 4 and 5...00:32
Quintasanby https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable IIRC00:32
valoriebut for vivid, we should clean up and clarify00:32
QuintasanVivid is supposed to run Plasma 5 by default so there is nothing to clean up00:34
sgclarkvalorie: at this time if you want a stable plasma5 on utopic go with ci-stable. I don't see it happening with next until we get it cleaned up and some sort of plan...00:34
valorieok, so I should just upgrade to vivid00:34
valorieno reason to clean this mess up00:34
sgclarkeven better plan00:34
valorieright?00:34
sgclarkyeah00:35
Quintasanvalorie: Clean install seems like the best way out of this00:35
valorieoh, well00:35
Quintasanclaydoh: I'll take the forums then00:35
valoriewith my ssd and stuff it's rather complicated00:35
valorieI'd rather upgrade00:35
valorieeven if it takes time00:35
claydohQuintasan: cool00:36
valorieI have a split /home/, and windows, etc.00:36
valoriegads, upgrade from p5 not supported00:37
valorie:(00:37
valorieoff to dinner, dunno what to do00:50
valoriemaybe time to visit my son00:50
sgclarkupgrade from p5?00:51
valorienot supported, and there is such a mess now I dunno00:51
valoriemaybe after dinner I'll try00:51
sgclarkI dont understand sorry00:51
Quintasansgclark: http://pastebin.com/8CbfTcAG00:52
QuintasanLet me know if that summarizes the situation adequately00:53
sgclarkQuintasan: perfect, thank you00:53
sgclarkvalorie: where is exactly are you getting "not supported"00:54
Quintasanblah01:02
Quintasanbed time01:02
Quintasan4 hours of sleep01:02
Quintasanlol01:02
sgclarkeek, sleep well, thanks for the help01:02
valoriesgclark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu says not supported02:13
valorieI'm removing next also to see if I can boot and then upgrade02:13
valoriegrrrr, how do I list extras in apt-add-repository -r to remove it02:24
sgclarkvalorie: eck seems konversation stopped notifying me when highlighted. dunno that I have ever used that to remove repos. I open /etc/apt/sources.list directly02:47
sgclarkvalorie: ahh, I guess with the mess of qt4 and qt5 you have going it is probably good we don't support it.02:48
valorieyes02:48
valorieI'm going to download the beta, assuming that's the best to DL?02:49
valorieI ppa-purged ppa-next, but still couldn't boot02:49
valorieso screw that02:49
valoriehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/vivid/ only has the alphas02:50
valoriewhich is the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu has02:50
valorieI tried running kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade from the cli, but it said that wasn't supported or something02:52
sgclarkvalorie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds02:53
valorieoh excellent, thank you02:54
sgclarknp02:54
valoriebest of luck with your mail server02:58
sgclarkty03:01
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ovidiu-florinanyone here?06:51
valorieo/06:51
valoriehow are you, ovidiu-florin06:51
ovidiu-florinhey valorie06:52
ovidiu-florinI have a headake, but other than that quite happy06:52
ovidiu-florinthe Sprint was awesome and productive06:53
valorieexcellent06:53
valorieI logged in, but long after y'all were done06:53
valoriemy main computer did updates today and then lost the ability to login06:54
valorieinstalling vivid to it tomorrow06:54
valorietonight, backing up /home if possible from console06:55
ovidiu-florinvalorie: do you know if I can post on planet kde my post about the kubuntu sprint?06:56
ovidiu-florinsince it's not KDE directly related06:56
valoriekubuntu IS kde-related06:57
ovidiu-florinyes, but it's not even OS releated code06:57
valorieso yes, please do it06:57
ovidiu-florinit's web06:57
ovidiu-florinok06:57
ovidiu-florinthank you06:57
valorieKDE is a community06:57
valoriethe kubuntu community is part of it06:57
ovidiu-florinhow can I make planetkde follow 2 feeds? the KDE-en tag and the Kubuntu-en tag?07:02
valoriejust use #kde07:38
valoriealthough I tag quite freely, since people use tags in searches too07:38
mgraesslinsitter: I just got querried by kubuntu-ci bot that I'm suggested to have broken vivid. Not cool!08:11
sittermgraesslin: perhaps you have? :P08:22
valorienot cool to break vivid!08:22
mgraesslinsitter: no, complete false positive08:24
mgraesslinsitter: I got link to http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_plasma-desktop/96/08:24
sitterinterestingly enough I also got it08:24
sitter"jenkins - much brains"08:25
sittermgraesslin: disabled08:25
mgraesslinthanks08:25
mgraesslinfrom using jenkins in the past: it notifies everybody who "contributed" to the failed build08:25
mgraesslinand I think that's also the reason why KDE's jenkins doesn't send out mails08:26
sittermgraesslin: yeah, chances are everyone who had a commit in the touchpad import is considered an offender08:30
mgraesslinwhich interestingly enough I havn't had anything to do with08:30
sitterserves you people right... importing a pile of madness like that into plasma-desktop :S08:30
sitterit's like kde-workspace and kde-runtime had a lovechild 08:30
mgraesslinon that point I agree ;-)08:30
sitterah, it's possible that the build that puleed touchpad in also had other changes from yesterday08:31
* sitter just wished jenkins notification was more configurable08:31
sitters/notification// actually08:31
mgraesslinbut I also cannot remember to have pushed to plasma-workspace recently...08:31
kubotusitter meant: "just wished jenkins  was more configurable"08:31
sittermgraesslin: desktop08:32
mgraesslinthat's what I meant08:32
mgraesslinlast commit on Dec, 2nd08:32
sitterhm08:32
sittermgraesslin: looking thorugh it I really can't find anything that would make you a culprit of the break08:33
sitterjenkins...08:33
sittermoving on xD08:33
mgraesslin:-D08:34
mgraesslinbtw. you got praise for your upcoming release from the one true expert on the world. Luckily your installer is to broken to have him make benchmarks08:37
sitteroh god no :O08:37
sitterctrlf-f -> 'kde5' -> ctrl-w08:39
Riddellsitter: jpwhiting says he's being queried by kubuntu-ci, is this your cunning plan to get him to become a kde developer?09:36
sittersee backlog09:36
lordievaderGood morning.09:46
Riddellooh beta tests mostly done, nice10:01
RiddellMamarok: can you remember how you were getting a crash with swiss german keyboards? was that during install?10:01
lordievaderAh, the testing window is still open :) I'll fire up a testing VM in a bit.10:06
Riddellgreat :)10:07
Riddelland mparillo has made https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu10:07
Riddellgo go kubuntu team!10:07
valoriethe link doesn't go to the beta however10:08
Riddellthanks for the beta page mparillo  :)10:14
mparilloRiddell: My pleasure.10:14
mparilloRiddell: Also I added comments to some test cases. I doubt bugs are really warranted unless you believe they are, and I will be happy to add them in that | those cases10:15
lordievadermparillo: Did you start firefox in a live session of Vivid Beta1?10:30
lordievaderParts of the home page are in arabic.10:31
lordievaderScreenshot: http://corellian.student.utwente.nl/files/VividBeta.png10:33
Riddellfunky, we're going multi-cultural10:34
lordievaderSure looks like it ;)10:34
RiddellI wonder if that's google using your ip address10:35
lordievaderGoogle: Hmm, he is coming from Holland. He'll probably speak Arabic :P10:35
shadeslayerclaydoh_: ping10:37
shadeslayerclaydoh_: bug 142437910:37
ubottubug 1424379 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Access forbidden to Kubuntu forums" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142437910:37
shadeslayerclaydoh_: I don't really know whom to ping10:37
mparillolordievader: I know for certain that I ran FF in the installed version.10:38
mparilloNever noticed the Arabic there.10:38
mparilloBut I am mostly running rekonq.10:39
mparilloadjam promised (https://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/rekonq-2-4-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3911) a preview version on KF5.10:41
Riddellooh exciting10:46
Riddellbut it'll probably need a lot of work to get qtwebengine working with it10:46
lordievaderIn the actual install FF doesn't display Arabic.10:56
lordievaderI cannot launch the partition manager from the start menu? Is this known?10:57
mparillolordievader: I still have my usb. I will test live mode10:59
lordievaderAlso, the OEM prepare for shipping ain't on the desktop, it is in the menu.11:00
lordievaderBut that menu entry does nothing.11:06
mparillolordievader: No Arabic on my 32-bit live USB. Only the standard Ubuntu box around a google search with Ubuntu help, shop, and community under and outside the box.11:06
lordievaderOdd.11:06
mparilloAnd my locale is en_US.UTF-811:07
mparilloSeems to match yours.11:08
lordievaderI guess Google does something funky, indeed.11:08
mparilloBut that was well spotted...I could have easily missed those three iitems at the bottom. You are not using some kind of VPN that hides your location, are you?11:09
lordievadermparillo: I'm natted behind my server. Perhaps that the University does something strange since they are an ISP.11:18
soeetoday beta 1 should be released ?11:23
Riddellyep11:26
RiddellQuintasan: what's up with plasma 5 in utopic today?11:26
soeeRiddell: all isos are tested already ?11:30
Riddellsoee: looks like there's a few gaps in the tests still http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds11:32
lordievadersoee: Oem in 64bit.11:37
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Riddell"Plasma 5, the next generation of KDE Software is still a work in progress, but is stable enough for everyday use and it keeps getting better as new versions drop frequently."  this sounds a bit too pessimistic11:48
RiddellI wonder what we can say which sounds more optimistic11:48
Riddellmparillo:  ^11:48
Tm_Tchange the order11:49
Tm_Ttell that it's stable and still getting better with frequent upgrades11:49
Tm_Tnow it likes "we're not done yet, but it works"11:50
Tm_T...aha, maybe it exactly is that but word right there11:50
mparilloHow about I drop the work in progress part? I think today (and this may change with 5.2.1) it does not feel as stable as Plasma 4, and full feature parity will probably not happen until 5.3 or even 5.4, right?11:58
Tm_Tmparillo: can the but be dropped too?11:59
Riddellmparillo: I just rewrote it a bit, what do you think? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu12:00
mparilloI like it, but to an American ear, "The second updates to Plasma 5" sounds a bit off. Perhaps "The second set of updates to Plasma 5"? Maybe the Commonwealth folks can opine.12:01
Riddellyou're right, nothing different over the atlantic there12:02
* Riddell fixes12:02
Riddellhmm, anyone tested upgrades for beta? I'm wondering if extras still needs to be removed12:04
mparilloOn my fully updated 14.10 box, /etc/apt/sources.list still has extras in it.12:06
Riddellright but I think the upgrade tool is now fixed to remove it for you12:07
Riddellhopefully12:07
RiddellI'll install 14.10 and do a test upgrade12:07
sgclarkmorning12:08
sitterLaunchpad encountered an internal error during the following operation: copying a package.  It was logged with id OOPS-6957e378859cd77e4b5b0bf47d34a072.  Sorry for the inconvenience.12:08
sitter>.<12:08
sitterwgrant: I suppose you might be interested ^12:09
sitterhappend during mass async copy12:09
Riddellhi sgclark12:09
Riddellsgclark: claydoh_ and valorie are saying an update broke their utopic installs, do you know what happened there?12:10
sgclarkRiddell: yeah I was here last night. kf5 backprt happened. Utopic next users somehow have kde-workspace-bin that now requires kde-workspace-data which breaks kubuntu-plasma5-desktop12:12
sgclarkthe real question is why would they have qt4 workspace...12:12
sgclarkI deleted the the backport till it is sorted, I just don't know where to start12:13
Riddellsgclark: so you put kf5 5.7 into kubuntu-ppa/next (or kubuntu-ppa/next-backports) ?12:13
sgclarknext as suggested by yofel, niether of us expected it would breaks things this badly12:14
sgclarkin theory it should not have..12:15
sgclarkI did not even know about next-backports..12:15
Riddellnext-backports was for plasma and applications updates, but kf5 it due to go into vivid proper so kubuntu-ppa/next is probably the right place12:17
sgclarktho in this case I don't think that would have been any better12:17
Riddellsgclark: is kf5 5.7 still in a staging PPA somewhere?12:18
* Riddell spots some bits in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging12:18
kfunkdo you also get random 2-3 seconds lags (i.e. plasma freezes for this amount of time) in Vivid?12:18
Riddellkfunk: I don't12:19
kfunkjust started with the latest upgrade to 5.2.1, I'll keep an eye on it12:19
sgclarkRiddell: it is in ninjas12:21
sitterRiddell: did I mention that parts of .1 are in vivid and parts aren't?12:21
sitteror maybe I was imaging things12:21
sgclarkRiddell: next-staging failed because someone had put a version of in there in the past and deleted it, contents changed errors12:21
Riddellgosh there's a new https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/frameworks but it's empty12:22
yofelwhy do we need that?12:23
Riddellsitter: that's expeected there's a beta freeze on so not everything transitioned in time12:23
Riddellyofel: I've no idea, I don't think we do12:23
yofelsgclark: hm, when I said that I assumed you had done at least a bit of testing on a default setup.12:23
yofelblame me for making assumtions I guess12:23
Riddellnow now, no blame needed12:24
yofelon a general note: never put untested updates into PPAs that people are using12:24
yofel(which is a bit time consuming :/)12:24
RiddellI'll install kubuntu-plasma5 utopic and see what happens if I upgrade and add ninjas12:24
yofelthanks12:24
sgclarkyofel: I did not have said issues but I do not have bits of kf4 on mine either. I was not blaming..12:24
sgclarkalright guys I am done screwing up here, sorry for all the trouble12:25
yofeldon't be, it happens12:25
sitteryofel, Riddell: we need ppa:frameworks ppa:plasma ppa:applications ppa:misc12:26
Riddelloh jings12:26
sitterto stage independently12:26
lordievaderFOSDEM 2015 videos are online: http://video.fosdem.org/12:26
yofelyeah12:26
Riddellsitter: right, but do we need that in frameworks?12:26
Riddellhmm ignore that12:26
Riddellsitter: right, but do we need that in ninjas?12:26
sitterunless we start working in ppa exclusively we need that in ninjas and ~kubuntu-ppa12:27
soee_kfunk: not 2-3 secons but liek 0,5-1 sec yes12:28
soee_kfunk: check https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-4020712:29
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BluesKajHiyas all12:29
lordievaderHooray: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kubuntu-1504-preview&num=112:30
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Riddellfresh utopic kubuntu-plasma5 has no kde-workspace-bin or kde-workspace-data installed13:01
sgclarkRiddell: so it was successful right?13:02
Riddellsgclark: that's me just installed the iso image I downloaded13:02
Riddellupdating now to whatever updates are in13:03
sgclarkRiddell: right, same here.13:03
sgclarkbut they folks with issues had the above installed13:03
sgclarkfor some reason13:03
Riddellapt full-upgrade installs plasma 5.1.1 and no kde-workspace13:03
Riddellnext step is to add kubuntu-ninjas13:04
yofelnothing really bad happening in a chroot here either :/13:05
Riddellif I add kubuntu-ninjas and do apt full-upgrade it says these want to be removed kubuntu-plasma5-desktop plasma-desktop plasma-workspace13:16
Riddellwhich seems quite important13:17
RiddellI wonder if it's something like networkmanager-qt that's confusing it13:18
yofelthat did not happen here for some reason o.O, maybe because I just used a debootstrap chroot13:19
sgclarkI was also in chroot : /13:19
sgclarkdoh13:19
sgclarkguess I need to make a vm to test in, my bad13:20
Riddell libkf5globalaccel-data : Breaks: plasma-workspace (< 4:5.2.0-0ubuntu2~) but 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 is to be installed13:21
Riddellchroot's usually work fine13:21
sitterclearly you need to add backports?13:21
Riddellyep libkf5globalaccel5 not happy13:21
Riddellsitter: but this is intended for SRU so no backports allowed13:21
sitterah vivid13:22
sitterOo13:22
Riddellno utopic13:22
sitterI am confused13:22
sitterRiddell: SRU kf5?13:22
Riddellsitter: yes13:23
sitterin that case kglobalaccel needs to get adjusted13:23
* Riddell adjusts13:29
sitteroh fwiw13:31
sitterplasma-workspace in next-backporst and vivid might need adjustments as well13:31
sitteroh no, nvermind13:32
sitterdaemon is in an own package anyway13:32
soeewhen can we get fix for this KDEInit cant run '/usr/bin/ksysguard'13:33
sitterwhen vivid unfreezes13:33
sitteractually13:33
sitterwhat13:33
sittersoee: how do you get that?13:34
soeesitter: imply start ksysguard and close it13:34
soeeand you will get that warning message13:34
sittersoee: how do you start it13:39
sitterah, got it13:40
sittersoee: did you file a bug about that?13:40
soeesitter: no i did not, som people mentioned it here already so i thought it is known to devs :)13:43
BluesKajIt's odd that some claim that systemd can't be used. Seems the ps -p 1 command must be mistaken, since it outputs systemd as in use.13:43
sittersoee: I'd file a bug13:43
soeesitter: sure13:44
soeesitter: against what component ?13:44
sitterksysguard13:45
sitterits desktop file says it registers a dbus address, except it doesn't13:45
soeesitter: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34459513:49
ubottuKDE bug 344595 in ksysguard "Closing ksysguard ends message KDEInit can't run /usr/bin/ksysguard" [Normal,Unconfirmed]13:49
soeesitter: can you confirm in bug page ?13:50
soeeBluesKaj: maybe you to also ?13:50
BluesKajyes, soee I can confirm that here13:52
Riddellsitter: I just removed the overlapping files from kglobalaccel, do you think that's fine?13:52
soeeBluesKaj: comment please on bug report13:52
sitteroh wait13:54
sitterRiddell: actually, plasma-workspace needs adjusting, not globalaccel13:54
sitterit's why I complained about the way the move was done13:54
sitterkglobalaccel cannot be SRUd without also modifying plasma-workspace13:54
Riddellcan't it?13:54
sitterhow would you?13:56
Riddellby removing the overlapping files from kglobalaccept 5.713:57
Riddelland possibly having another kglobalaccel 5.7 in kubuntu-ppa/next-backports which adds them back13:57
sitterRiddell: then kglobalaccel needs to depend on plasma-workspace13:57
sitterit's not kglobalaccel 5.7 if it doesn't come with the daemon13:57
BluesKajsoee, I did comment , use dbus-launch kysysguard. That works and I put that in the  comment.13:58
soeeBluesKaj: cool, thank you13:58
BluesKajsoee, np13:58
BluesKajerr ksysguard btw13:59
Riddellsitter: that's what happened with kglobalaccel 5.3 no?14:00
sitterRiddell: yes, except you want to SRU kglobalaccel 5.714:00
sitterso here I am as developer... I find_package(globalaccel 5.7) because I know that otherwise I'd need plasma-workspace to be installed in some form or fashion which 5.7 fixes14:01
Riddellok, I'll add the depends14:01
sitterall is well, until a user complains that my app doesn't work on ubuntu14:01
sitterI go :O14:01
sitterand then I discover that what kubuntu claims is kglobalaccel 5.7 is not actually 5.7 compatible14:02
sitterand then I go and tell all my users to use opensuse instead14:02
sitterI complained about this kind of move for a reason :P14:02
sitterwith kde sc it'd have been fine14:03
sitterwith frameworks != plasma it isn't anymore14:03
Riddellnooo! not opensuse! (and besides isn't some Arch derivative more alite now?)14:03
sitteralas, I doubt it's going to be the last non-backwards compatible change we'll see14:03
soeeRiddell: i have added raport for amd64 oem http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89656/testcases14:05
soeecritical bug, same as for i38614:05
Riddelloem-config all broken, I'll have to look at that soon14:05
soeeif we run this iso, we should first see ubiquity or live desktop ?14:08
soeein testcases it is abut ubiquity but we have live session running by default and we can click on the icon to install kubuntu, than ubiquity shows up14:09
soeenew libre office http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/02/26/libreoffice-4-4-1-fresh-is-available-for-download/14:11
soeewill it land in Vivid ?14:11
mparillosoee: In my test results, I note this, but I actually prefer the live session by default.14:11
mparilloRiddell: "hmm, anyone tested upgrades for beta? I'm wondering if extras still needs to be removed" If you have not started, I am willing to test this.14:12
soeemparillo: ok but is this valid behaviour ?14:13
mparillosoee: In test driven development absolutely not.14:13
mparilloIf I felt strongly about it, I would have opened a bug.14:13
mparilloLike I said, I would prefer to change the test case, but, as I documented in the results,  I wonder how this works for a non-English user.14:14
Riddellmparillo: I'm just about to start on amd64, i386 would be good to test14:19
mparilloGood, I have a nice clean 14.10 32-bit ISO.14:24
Riddellmparillo: see if you can follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu but missing out the stuff about extras14:29
soeemparillo: can you confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1425968 ?14:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1425968 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 15.04 isos loads live session by default not ubiquity" [Undecided,New]14:30
Riddellsoee: yes, we havn't added back the ubiquity-dm stuff14:37
BluesKajoops, googlemaps on firefox caused a crash to the login 14:40
Riddellmparillo: meh if I run the upgrade it doesn't show the GUI but it does go ahead in the background (you can read logs at ~/.cache/upstart/startkde )14:40
BluesKajaltho it didn't drop my vpn connection14:41
Riddellfoo "can't load DistUpgradeViewKDE (unorderable types: str() >= int())"14:41
soeeRiddell: but this is a bug ?14:41
Riddellsoee: which?14:42
Riddellsoee: no ubiquity-dm is a bug yes, it's already reported somewhere14:43
mparillosoee: Confirmed, but as I say, I prefer going straight to a live session. It matches a frequent use case of mine, with is to run off a live USB for higher-risk activities, like on-line banking.14:43
MamarokRiddell: sorry, totally overlooked that. But no, I don't remember how that happened14:43
mparilloRiddell: Clean 32-Bit 14.10 loaded. Following the page, first step is to apply updates. Running now. Alas $work will start to take priority soon.14:44
soeeRiddell: oh, i created bug report, so please mark it as a duplicate if yuo have other14:44
mparilloCan somebody confirm: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34453814:51
ubottuKDE bug 344538 in general "Boot to sddm; immediately select power off; countdown goes negative and never powers off" [Normal,Unconfirmed]14:51
mparilloSecond, (perhaps with the new kwallet), has something changed with the network manager widget? I never could connect during install (something to do with it being WEP), but it used to be that once I connected using the widget in the System Tray, it would 'remember' my network and password. Do I need to do it in System Settings?14:54
Riddellok I worked out a fix for release-upgrader15:13
Riddellhmm no I didn't, further problems15:14
Riddellthis qt5 port is quite problematic :(15:14
Riddellbut at least it removes extras :)15:16
soee:)15:16
Riddellovidiu-florin: nice blog post :)16:24
RiddellI'm off out now, I'll be back in 3 or 4 hours17:02
mparilloRiddell: Started the 32-bit upgrade. No GUI for me either. Will look at the log later.17:02
mparillohttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34460017:03
Riddellmparillo: I think I worked out the problem and a fix is being uploaded17:03
ubottuKDE bug 344600 in System Tray "Network Manager Widget does not 'remember' to connect to previous WEP network" [Normal,Unconfirmed]17:03
Riddellmparillo: so infact if you can kill it (use ps auxf to work out which process) and restart once the new one is in the archive that would be great17:03
Riddellhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader needs 1:15.04.10 to get into vivid17:04
Riddellbeta 1 will probably come out in a couple of hours, if anyone fancies putting that on the website it would be lovely17:04
BluesKajhow to open system-settings as root?, kdesudo systemsettings doesn't launch from krunner or the terminal17:04
RiddellBluesKaj: whyever would you?17:05
BluesKajto setup the fonts for apps run as root on this big screen ..they're unreadable otherwis. Ive been doing it for yrs17:06
BluesKajerr otherwise17:07
BluesKajRiddell, I use our tv as a monitor and I'm 10ft away from the screen 17:08
mparilloRiddell: I can post to the website. Do I wait for the formal announcement?17:12
mparilloThe images are published!! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-vivid-beta-118:22
lordievader\o/18:26
soee:]18:36
soeeSo now when beta is released18:36
soeethe issing 5.2.1 packages can be released from proposed ?18:36
soeesgclark: ^18:36
soeeBluesKaj: the ksysguard bug has been already fixed :o18:37
soeemparillo: would be good idea to post some info  about beta 1 release on g+ and twitter18:40
BluesKajok soee installing the upgrades as we speak18:52
soeeBluesKaj: WHAT UPGRADES ?18:55
Riddellthanks mparillo18:59
soeeoh firefox 3619:04
BluesKajsoee, there's a fairly large upgrade and a small dis-upgrade available  http://pastebin.com/D6dUrAb719:04
soeeBluesKaj: yes, the missing 5.2.1 packages etc.19:05
BluesKajlooks like a reboot is needed19:07
Riddellyay, all of 5.2.1 is in19:08
sgclarkmissing packages?19:09
yofelwhat was still in -proposed19:10
Riddellplasma-workspace and the bits that need it19:10
sgclarkI dont have control over that do I ?19:10
yofelnope19:11
sgclarkk19:11
sgclarkback to my server 19:11
Riddellsgclark: no it's automated tests that need to pass before it can move from -proposed to release19:11
sgclarkgotcha19:11
Riddelland they've all passed now :)19:11
sgclarkwoot19:11
BluesKajhmm, KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/ksysguard' ...seems it's not fixed here yet, soee19:12
soeeBluesKaj: fix created but will be in 5.2.219:12
mparilloDoes anybody have info on how to post on g+ and twitter? I suppose I could e-mail distrowatch.19:17
mparilloe-mail distrowatch also.19:17
Riddellmparillo: I think none of the other flavours have announced yet so best hold off on wider announcements until they have19:18
Riddellmparillo: join #ubuntu-release to find the in-crowd19:18
Riddellmparillo: are you able to test the new release upgrader from 14.10 ?19:20
Riddellmparillo: if you give me your facebook account name and g+ account name I can make you admins on the kubuntu accounts19:20
soeegstreamer 1.0 - this is some new release or it was before ?19:23
yofelwe've been using 1.0 for a while19:24
yofelwhere while = a year or so19:25
Riddellshame qtmultimedia didn't get the memo19:27
mparilloRiddell: When I tried to replicate my release upgrader steps, muon-upgrade seemed to 'know' about Plasma 5. As if the apt sources had been updated. So, I could not really start at the beginning. Could that be the case. I would be happy to at the devel-upgrader script, or re-creaet the VM all over again.19:29
mparilloRiddel: Now I have a reason to go to FB: mparillo@yahoo.com. G+: maparillo19:30
Riddellmparillo: yes it could be the case19:30
mparilloGlad to know I am not totally clueless. Can I restart, or should I re-create a clean 14.10 VM, update 14.10, then run the script.19:32
Riddell"Vivid Vervet Beta 1 Released" it's out!19:36
Riddellmparillo: run the upgrade tool again if you want to finish it off, or reinstall 14.10 if you have time to test it from the start19:37
mparilloSorry for announcing as soon as I noticed the images hit /releases/ and I will try to finish it off this afternoon, and maybe end-to-end test tomorrow morning (UTC -5).19:38
Riddellmparillo: facebook can't see you, I think you'll need to like the https://www.facebook.com/kubuntu.org page first19:39
Riddellmparillo: what's your g+ page? there's a few marco parillos19:41
yofeljust post in the kubuntu community on g+ and you'll reach most people19:42
Riddellit does confuse me why we have two and that seems to be more popular19:43
mparillo(1) Liked; I am surprised there is more than one, but I am maparillo@gmail.com19:43
Riddellmparillo: invited your baby photo19:44
mparillo(2) https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MarcoParillo/posts19:44
mparilloYes, $work uses GMail / GDrive / Hangouts, so I have a different pic there. Makes it a bit easier to avoid wrong posts.19:44
yofelRiddell: I thought we only had one community? There is the Kubuntu account as well that you're using, but that and the community are different things19:45
Riddellyofel: right, and it confuses me that they're different19:46
Riddellbut I'm easily confused :)19:46
yofelthe user has posts from that person, the community is a collation of posts of different people19:46
Riddellfacebook is proving harder, I sent your a friend request mparillo maybe that'll help19:47
mparillokubuntu-devel-release-upgrade has a GUI.19:50
mparilloFB Confirmed. 19:51
Riddellmparillo: added to facebook, that's you with powers to all three social media networks, use them wisely :)19:52
Riddelland go forth and promote beta 119:52
Riddellmparillo: ooh you're testing 14.10 upgrade?19:52
mparilloThe 14.10 VM I created this morning, Got the 14.10 updates, Started the upgrader with no GUI and killed it. Now restarted the upgrader with a GUI. If successful today, tomorrow morning (before all the neighborhood starts streaming) I will try to test end-to-end.19:54
Riddellshouldn't be a need, if it works like so it'll work from the start too19:57
yofelI can try it too in a bit, I still have a utopic vm around19:58
Riddellsgclark, yofel: next seems to upgrade now, I'll try and move over the kf5 update again20:01
yofelk20:01
mparilloRiddell: OK, I restarted the upgrade, only 1300 files to fetch ;-) Believe it or not, that was my first FB post ever.20:05
Riddellmparillo: now you're down with the cool kids :)20:06
Riddelland mark zuckerburg has your soul20:06
mparilloHe does, but in an incognito window. Previously only in a guest session or live usb.20:07
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* yofel informed the g+ community20:13
mparillohttps://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts/KuxXz6RLwqp20:16
Riddellmparillo: lovely20:16
mparilloAnd that might have been my first public G+ post: rest only to family. What is the third evil empire? P.S. 800 files remain to be fetched on the upgrade.20:18
mparilloLinked In? No baby picture: https://www.linkedin.com/profile/public-profile-settings?trk=prof-edit-edit-public_profile20:21
Riddellmparillo: I msg'd you the twitter details20:21
Riddellsgclark, yofel: error when copying "Launchpad encountered an error during the following operation: copying a package.  frameworkintegration 5.7.0-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 in utopic (binaries conflicting with the existing ones)"20:25
Riddellwhich I'm confused about as that package isn't in kubuntu-ppa/next currently20:25
Riddellmeh, there's a reason I couldn't be bothered with these updates :(20:25
yofelo.O20:27
yofelLaunchpad loves making your life hard20:28
Riddellmm hmm20:28
yofelmeh, trying to upgrade in my VM aborts with BAD SIG from the archive, guess I'll wait20:32
mparilloTweeted.20:54
mparilloUpgrade finished fetching files. Now applying changes.20:54
mparilloI am ready to post to LinkedIn.20:55
soeepeoplel loves it https://jira.typo3.org/browse/NEOS-1043 :)20:59
soeehttps://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts/KuxXz6RLwqp21:00
soeeignore first link :)21:00
mparilloAnybody using WEP for [weak] wireless encryption. If so, can you confirm: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34460021:01
ubottuKDE bug 344600 in applet "Network Manager Widget does not 'remember' to connect to previous WEP network" [Normal,Unconfirmed]21:01
Riddellmparillo: the kubuntu linkedin page can't find you if I try to add an admin, maybe you haven't done whatever linkedin does for Like ?21:04
soeemparillo: thers is not post on community page https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/108139456908538054874 ?21:04
mparilloRiddell: I am now following Kubuntu on LinkedIn. Maybe that is what was needed. soee: Hmm, I posted on the individual G+. Maybe I need to post to the community separately. I will try.21:07
Riddellmparillo: are you "Consultant at Independence Blue Cross" ?21:09
mparilloThat is me, yes, thank you. Old postiion, as a condition of my new one was not to update LinkedIn.21:10
Riddellthat's a weird condition21:10
Riddellwait.. are you a GCHQ spy?21:10
mparillosoee: I joined the community on G+. Is it a breach of protocol to post as myself, but I can see if I can post as Kubuntu.21:11
mparilloRiddell: Contractor. Nothing special.21:11
Riddellmparillo: connected, maybe you need to respond21:11
Riddellmparillo: maybe you can share the g+ post on the kubuntu page to the kubuntu community?21:11
Riddellmparillo: ok you're now an admin on the linkedin page21:20
mparilloThe G+ post is shared with the Kubuntu community. It went out under my name. Next time, I will try to get it out under the Kubuntu name instead.21:26
mparilloThe upgrade died at the end. Something about invalid condition.21:28
soeeRiddell: ping21:29
Riddellhi soee 21:29
soeeRiddell: the package to have QtCurve theme for GTK2 apps is not installed by default ?21:30
yofelupgrade died here too :/21:32
_Groo_guys is there a ppa for calligra 2.9?21:33
_Groo_wanted to test it out21:33
yofelvivid has 2.8.90...21:34
yofelhm, baloo doesn't get replaced with baloo-kf5 on upgrade. kubuntu-desktop depends on baloo-kf5 and fails to configure21:35
Riddell_Groo_: I'm compiling it now21:36
Riddellsoee: no that's on the todo list to fix21:36
yofeloh great, now apport-kde crashes (thanks to the incomplete upgrade I guess)21:37
mparilloHmm, the upgrade did die with an error dialog box, but when I force-powered-off my VM, and restarted it, I got Vivid.21:39
yofeldpkg --configure -a runs without errors?21:39
Riddellwibble21:39
Riddellwhat's in /var/log/dist-upgrader/ ?21:40
yofelthe upgrade did pass mostly so the system should still run21:40
yofelRiddell: probably what I just posted21:40
yofelfiling a bug just now21:40
yofellp 142613221:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1426132 in baloo-kf5 (Ubuntu) "baloo is not replaced by baloo-kf5 on dist upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142613221:42
yofelvirtual packages are confusing :/21:44
mparilloyofel: baloo-kf5 is not installed21:44
soeewhat was the package name to get breeze look for gtk2 apps ?21:44
yofelmparillo: yeah, that's the problem21:44
mparilloLooks like I was two minutes late ;-)21:45
yofelnah, good to have confirmation :)21:45
yofelhm, didn't the iso tracker have upgrade testcases in the past...?21:47
Riddellyofel: I think whoever was running it forgot to add them for this beta21:48
yofelah ok21:48
Riddellyofel: but better would be to add it to the beta1 wiki page21:48
yofelgood point21:48
Riddellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu21:49
_Groo_Riddell: what ppa?22:06
Riddell_Groo_: not got that far yet22:07
Riddellstill working on it on my local machine22:07
_Groo_Riddell: ah ok :)22:10

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