[00:00] I don't think this can be worse [00:01] Assuming we got the tars two weeks https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports COULD be 5.2.1 [00:05] Quintasan: that is because I deleted the new release as it was obviously causing issues [00:06] Quintasan: something ius odd, when I was looking at the ppas earlier, the latest updates in the next ppa were from about the past 24 hours [00:06] right [00:06] sgclark: gotcha [00:06] I uploaded last night, but have sinse deleted [00:06] oops, have errors [00:07] Please don't do that again. IIRC the source packages remain and reuploading that is a pain but things might have changed [00:07] 5.2.1 is only vivid at this time [00:07] not sure how to get those to pastebin [00:07] claydoh, valorie: I think it would be better to scrap that and install vivid if you want to live on the edge [00:07] Quintasan: I still have in ninjas and can copy over [00:07] sgclark: Please do that [00:07] 17 broken, 5971 new [-1] [00:08] something went wrong, packages may not have been reverted [00:08] valorie, claydoh: hold on then. [00:08] Quintasan: err but everyone broke .. [00:08] sgclark: Bringing the packages back is not going to make even worse, will it? [00:08] And we could actually try debugging this [00:08] Quintasan: I have vivd on my daily driver, :p utopic is on my Kodi box, so it does not really matter, but gives me something to use as reference for those going that route [00:09] I would like to help others who are in the same boat [00:09] otherwise, vivid for me [00:09] I've been not doing it because of time issues [00:10] TBH I see little merit in debugging that since installing vivid would be faster. I'm not sure what's our policy on that PPA [00:10] If we said we support that then I'm willing to help debug this [00:11] as a Councillor, this is what I'm seeing: we need some higher-level planning, and we don't have the man-power atm [00:11] yah [00:11] Breaks: kde-workspace-data [00:11] so, tell me how I can best help now [00:11] is kubuntu-plasma5-desktop which led to your madness valorie [00:11] Currently I'm feeling like an outsider more than a developer since I have no effing idea how the infrastructure works now. [00:11] Quintasan: maybe that's a good thing [00:12] I am a current developer and I have no effing clue anymore [00:12] perhaps an outsider is needed [00:12] And it to me it feels like CI brings more trouble than it's worth [00:12] or two [00:12] :-) [00:12] And to me it feels* [00:12] Christ [00:13] * valorie passes around coffee and cookies [00:13] tea is on yon table [00:13] my brain hurts [00:13] sgclark: Truth be told this happened mostly because there was to testing from our side I believe. [00:14] medicine cabinet in the back bath [00:14] next to no* [00:14] I can't even type. [00:14] :-) [00:14] sgclark: Let me know when you're done with copying the magic [00:15] Quintasan: any use of the ppa-purge errors? [00:16] valorie: Not really, this chain or breakage results most likely form the version mixup [00:16] of* [00:16] ok [00:16] I can't type. [00:16] * valorie adds chocolate on the side-table [00:16] Quintasan: right, I asked where to put this so it can be tested as it is to be an SRU, and next was the place [00:16] that fixes most problems, IMO [00:16] sgclark: :DDDD [00:17] I really need to get back on track. [00:17] we need ya, man [00:17] plus I miss you [00:17] nice to see sgclark around again, too [00:17] I would have to start not going to lectures. [00:17] argh [00:18] no no [00:18] real life first [00:18] I really need to go for the first two weeks though, [00:18] this second [00:18] really, school is your foundation [00:18] no shorting on the school [00:19] I feel like I'm wasting time though. [00:19] Most of the stuff they teach is not even remotely useful [00:20] Quintasan: copy done, unfortunately I have no email as I was in the middle of working on my email server when this exploded [00:21] Alright, thanks [00:21] so i have no clue of failures [00:21] valorie: pft it is your fault for sending me to bcooksley for the sok project lol [00:22] hue [00:22] sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next/+packages [00:22] Look at dem errors [00:22] sgclark: blame accepted [00:22] not sorry though [00:23] fixing things upstream is where it's at [00:23] it's just that we need more high school kids with time on their hands to run *this* place [00:24] like it used to be [00:25] Quintasan: ick [00:25] did not quite work as I hoped [00:26] I feel like we should stop doing stuff like this (backporting new software stacks to older versions) unless it's really necessary. [00:27] yeah seems like something always goes wrong [00:27] I think it's mostly because we lack manpower to do everything and test stuff [00:27] I don't have time anymore to deal with it :( [00:27] yep [00:27] exactly [00:27] It is one thing with kde bits in the same major version, this is a bigger jump [00:28] claydoh: Well, if it's an incremental update then no problem, but if you try backporting something that's backwards incompatible then you WILL run into problems [00:29] * claydoh cheated and won... replaced the next-backports with ci-stable [00:29] now thats the way to fix stuff muashahah [00:29] oh cool [00:29] ci-stable? [00:29] instead of vivid? [00:29] Why is this even named stable? [00:29] valorie: quicker, and woth the shot [00:29] mmm [00:30] well, I think I'll wait for Quintasan or sgclark to suggest that [00:30] no offense [00:30] You can try this to recover [00:30] lol [00:30] But it might get even worse [00:30] Quintasan: actually it usually is, they roll out CDs with that ci-stable branch. there is something sersiously mucked with this next branch [00:30] I will attempt an upgrade to vivd soon, the hd in the PC has been upgraded successfully since raring at least, wanna keep a run on that [00:30] this is my bottom line today: I'd like to help out [00:30] sgclark: I'll be frank, I think this whole backport effort is a waste of time [00:31] so whatever is helpful, I will do [00:31] If you want stable then stick to stable [00:31] if you want to live on the edge then either use vivid or ci repos [00:31] I wanted to test, but at the time had only the one laptop [00:31] Quintasan: we have some poeple asking for plasma 5 for 14.04, so.... [00:31] backporting plasma 5 to 14.10 which is still running plasma 4 isn't a good idea IMO [00:31] (not many) [00:31] so ppa next seemed the ticket [00:31] I was asked to.. I don't even use utopic :( [00:31] I used to do neon, but that's gone [00:32] I have no idea what's next even supposed to be [00:32] valorie: neon is replaced by CI repos afair [00:32] perhaps the vision that created that is gone/muddled [00:32] not sure [00:32] it is not consistant that is for sure as folks have a mix of 4 and 5... [00:32] by https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable IIRC [00:32] but for vivid, we should clean up and clarify [00:34] Vivid is supposed to run Plasma 5 by default so there is nothing to clean up [00:34] valorie: at this time if you want a stable plasma5 on utopic go with ci-stable. I don't see it happening with next until we get it cleaned up and some sort of plan... [00:34] ok, so I should just upgrade to vivid [00:34] no reason to clean this mess up [00:34] even better plan [00:34] right? [00:35] yeah [00:35] valorie: Clean install seems like the best way out of this [00:35] oh, well [00:35] claydoh: I'll take the forums then [00:35] with my ssd and stuff it's rather complicated [00:35] I'd rather upgrade [00:35] even if it takes time [00:36] Quintasan: cool [00:36] I have a split /home/, and windows, etc. [00:37] gads, upgrade from p5 not supported [00:37] :( [00:50] off to dinner, dunno what to do [00:50] maybe time to visit my son [00:51] upgrade from p5? [00:51] not supported, and there is such a mess now I dunno [00:51] maybe after dinner I'll try [00:51] I dont understand sorry [00:52] sgclark: http://pastebin.com/8CbfTcAG [00:53] Let me know if that summarizes the situation adequately [00:53] Quintasan: perfect, thank you [00:54] valorie: where is exactly are you getting "not supported" [01:02] blah [01:02] bed time [01:02] 4 hours of sleep [01:02] lol [01:02] eek, sleep well, thanks for the help [02:13] sgclark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu says not supported [02:13] I'm removing next also to see if I can boot and then upgrade [02:24] grrrr, how do I list extras in apt-add-repository -r to remove it [02:47] valorie: eck seems konversation stopped notifying me when highlighted. dunno that I have ever used that to remove repos. I open /etc/apt/sources.list directly [02:48] valorie: ahh, I guess with the mess of qt4 and qt5 you have going it is probably good we don't support it. [02:48] yes [02:49] I'm going to download the beta, assuming that's the best to DL? [02:49] I ppa-purged ppa-next, but still couldn't boot [02:49] so screw that [02:50] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/vivid/ only has the alphas [02:50] which is the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu has [02:52] I tried running kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade from the cli, but it said that wasn't supported or something [02:53] valorie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds [02:54] oh excellent, thank you [02:54] np [02:58] best of luck with your mail server [03:01] ty === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [06:51] anyone here? [06:51] o/ [06:51] how are you, ovidiu-florin [06:52] hey valorie [06:52] I have a headake, but other than that quite happy [06:53] the Sprint was awesome and productive [06:53] excellent [06:53] I logged in, but long after y'all were done [06:54] my main computer did updates today and then lost the ability to login [06:54] installing vivid to it tomorrow [06:55] tonight, backing up /home if possible from console [06:56] valorie: do you know if I can post on planet kde my post about the kubuntu sprint? [06:56] since it's not KDE directly related [06:57] kubuntu IS kde-related [06:57] yes, but it's not even OS releated code [06:57] so yes, please do it [06:57] it's web [06:57] ok [06:57] thank you [06:57] KDE is a community [06:57] the kubuntu community is part of it [07:02] how can I make planetkde follow 2 feeds? the KDE-en tag and the Kubuntu-en tag? [07:38] just use #kde [07:38] although I tag quite freely, since people use tags in searches too [08:11] sitter: I just got querried by kubuntu-ci bot that I'm suggested to have broken vivid. Not cool! [08:22] mgraesslin: perhaps you have? :P [08:22] not cool to break vivid! [08:24] sitter: no, complete false positive [08:24] sitter: I got link to http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_plasma-desktop/96/ [08:24] interestingly enough I also got it [08:25] "jenkins - much brains" [08:25] mgraesslin: disabled [08:25] thanks [08:25] from using jenkins in the past: it notifies everybody who "contributed" to the failed build [08:26] and I think that's also the reason why KDE's jenkins doesn't send out mails [08:30] mgraesslin: yeah, chances are everyone who had a commit in the touchpad import is considered an offender [08:30] which interestingly enough I havn't had anything to do with [08:30] serves you people right... importing a pile of madness like that into plasma-desktop :S [08:30] it's like kde-workspace and kde-runtime had a lovechild [08:30] on that point I agree ;-) [08:31] ah, it's possible that the build that puleed touchpad in also had other changes from yesterday [08:31] * sitter just wished jenkins notification was more configurable [08:31] s/notification// actually [08:31] but I also cannot remember to have pushed to plasma-workspace recently... [08:31] sitter meant: "just wished jenkins was more configurable" [08:32] mgraesslin: desktop [08:32] that's what I meant [08:32] last commit on Dec, 2nd [08:32] hm [08:33] mgraesslin: looking thorugh it I really can't find anything that would make you a culprit of the break [08:33] jenkins... [08:33] moving on xD [08:34] :-D [08:37] btw. you got praise for your upcoming release from the one true expert on the world. Luckily your installer is to broken to have him make benchmarks [08:37] oh god no :O [08:39] ctrlf-f -> 'kde5' -> ctrl-w [09:36] sitter: jpwhiting says he's being queried by kubuntu-ci, is this your cunning plan to get him to become a kde developer? [09:36] see backlog [09:46] Good morning. [10:01] ooh beta tests mostly done, nice [10:01] Mamarok: can you remember how you were getting a crash with swiss german keyboards? was that during install? [10:06] Ah, the testing window is still open :) I'll fire up a testing VM in a bit. [10:07] great :) [10:07] and mparillo has made https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu [10:07] go go kubuntu team! [10:08] the link doesn't go to the beta however [10:14] thanks for the beta page mparillo :) [10:14] Riddell: My pleasure. [10:15] Riddell: Also I added comments to some test cases. I doubt bugs are really warranted unless you believe they are, and I will be happy to add them in that | those cases [10:30] mparillo: Did you start firefox in a live session of Vivid Beta1? [10:31] Parts of the home page are in arabic. [10:33] Screenshot: http://corellian.student.utwente.nl/files/VividBeta.png [10:34] funky, we're going multi-cultural [10:34] Sure looks like it ;) [10:35] I wonder if that's google using your ip address [10:35] Google: Hmm, he is coming from Holland. He'll probably speak Arabic :P [10:37] claydoh_: ping [10:37] claydoh_: bug 1424379 [10:37] bug 1424379 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Access forbidden to Kubuntu forums" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424379 [10:37] claydoh_: I don't really know whom to ping [10:38] lordievader: I know for certain that I ran FF in the installed version. [10:38] Never noticed the Arabic there. [10:39] But I am mostly running rekonq. [10:41] adjam promised (https://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/rekonq-2-4-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3911) a preview version on KF5. [10:46] ooh exciting [10:46] but it'll probably need a lot of work to get qtwebengine working with it [10:56] In the actual install FF doesn't display Arabic. [10:57] I cannot launch the partition manager from the start menu? Is this known? [10:59] lordievader: I still have my usb. I will test live mode [11:00] Also, the OEM prepare for shipping ain't on the desktop, it is in the menu. [11:06] But that menu entry does nothing. [11:06] lordievader: No Arabic on my 32-bit live USB. Only the standard Ubuntu box around a google search with Ubuntu help, shop, and community under and outside the box. [11:06] Odd. [11:07] And my locale is en_US.UTF-8 [11:08] Seems to match yours. [11:08] I guess Google does something funky, indeed. [11:09] But that was well spotted...I could have easily missed those three iitems at the bottom. You are not using some kind of VPN that hides your location, are you? [11:18] mparillo: I'm natted behind my server. Perhaps that the University does something strange since they are an ISP. [11:23] today beta 1 should be released ? [11:26] yep [11:26] Quintasan: what's up with plasma 5 in utopic today? [11:30] Riddell: all isos are tested already ? [11:32] soee: looks like there's a few gaps in the tests still http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds [11:37] soee: Oem in 64bit. === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch [11:48] "Plasma 5, the next generation of KDE Software is still a work in progress, but is stable enough for everyday use and it keeps getting better as new versions drop frequently." this sounds a bit too pessimistic [11:48] I wonder what we can say which sounds more optimistic [11:48] mparillo: ^ [11:49] change the order [11:49] tell that it's stable and still getting better with frequent upgrades [11:50] now it likes "we're not done yet, but it works" [11:50] ...aha, maybe it exactly is that but word right there [11:58] How about I drop the work in progress part? I think today (and this may change with 5.2.1) it does not feel as stable as Plasma 4, and full feature parity will probably not happen until 5.3 or even 5.4, right? [11:59] mparillo: can the but be dropped too? [12:00] mparillo: I just rewrote it a bit, what do you think? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu [12:01] I like it, but to an American ear, "The second updates to Plasma 5" sounds a bit off. Perhaps "The second set of updates to Plasma 5"? Maybe the Commonwealth folks can opine. [12:02] you're right, nothing different over the atlantic there [12:02] * Riddell fixes [12:04] hmm, anyone tested upgrades for beta? I'm wondering if extras still needs to be removed [12:06] On my fully updated 14.10 box, /etc/apt/sources.list still has extras in it. [12:07] right but I think the upgrade tool is now fixed to remove it for you [12:07] hopefully [12:07] I'll install 14.10 and do a test upgrade [12:08] morning [12:08] Launchpad encountered an internal error during the following operation: copying a package. It was logged with id OOPS-6957e378859cd77e4b5b0bf47d34a072. Sorry for the inconvenience. [12:08] >.< [12:09] wgrant: I suppose you might be interested ^ [12:09] happend during mass async copy [12:09] hi sgclark [12:10] sgclark: claydoh_ and valorie are saying an update broke their utopic installs, do you know what happened there? [12:12] Riddell: yeah I was here last night. kf5 backprt happened. Utopic next users somehow have kde-workspace-bin that now requires kde-workspace-data which breaks kubuntu-plasma5-desktop [12:12] the real question is why would they have qt4 workspace... [12:13] I deleted the the backport till it is sorted, I just don't know where to start [12:13] sgclark: so you put kf5 5.7 into kubuntu-ppa/next (or kubuntu-ppa/next-backports) ? [12:14] next as suggested by yofel, niether of us expected it would breaks things this badly [12:15] in theory it should not have.. [12:15] I did not even know about next-backports.. [12:17] next-backports was for plasma and applications updates, but kf5 it due to go into vivid proper so kubuntu-ppa/next is probably the right place [12:17] tho in this case I don't think that would have been any better [12:18] sgclark: is kf5 5.7 still in a staging PPA somewhere? [12:18] * Riddell spots some bits in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging [12:18] do you also get random 2-3 seconds lags (i.e. plasma freezes for this amount of time) in Vivid? [12:19] kfunk: I don't [12:19] just started with the latest upgrade to 5.2.1, I'll keep an eye on it [12:21] Riddell: it is in ninjas [12:21] Riddell: did I mention that parts of .1 are in vivid and parts aren't? [12:21] or maybe I was imaging things [12:21] Riddell: next-staging failed because someone had put a version of in there in the past and deleted it, contents changed errors [12:22] gosh there's a new https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/frameworks but it's empty [12:23] why do we need that? [12:23] sitter: that's expeected there's a beta freeze on so not everything transitioned in time [12:23] yofel: I've no idea, I don't think we do [12:23] sgclark: hm, when I said that I assumed you had done at least a bit of testing on a default setup. [12:23] blame me for making assumtions I guess [12:24] now now, no blame needed [12:24] on a general note: never put untested updates into PPAs that people are using [12:24] (which is a bit time consuming :/) [12:24] I'll install kubuntu-plasma5 utopic and see what happens if I upgrade and add ninjas [12:24] thanks [12:24] yofel: I did not have said issues but I do not have bits of kf4 on mine either. I was not blaming.. [12:25] alright guys I am done screwing up here, sorry for all the trouble [12:25] don't be, it happens [12:26] yofel, Riddell: we need ppa:frameworks ppa:plasma ppa:applications ppa:misc [12:26] oh jings [12:26] to stage independently [12:26] FOSDEM 2015 videos are online: http://video.fosdem.org/ [12:26] yeah [12:26] sitter: right, but do we need that in frameworks? [12:26] hmm ignore that [12:26] sitter: right, but do we need that in ninjas? [12:27] unless we start working in ppa exclusively we need that in ninjas and ~kubuntu-ppa [12:28] kfunk: not 2-3 secons but liek 0,5-1 sec yes [12:29] kfunk: check https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40207 === soee_ is now known as soee [12:29] Hiyas all [12:30] Hooray: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kubuntu-1504-preview&num=1 === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik [13:01] fresh utopic kubuntu-plasma5 has no kde-workspace-bin or kde-workspace-data installed [13:02] Riddell: so it was successful right? [13:02] sgclark: that's me just installed the iso image I downloaded [13:03] updating now to whatever updates are in [13:03] Riddell: right, same here. [13:03] but they folks with issues had the above installed [13:03] for some reason [13:03] apt full-upgrade installs plasma 5.1.1 and no kde-workspace [13:04] next step is to add kubuntu-ninjas [13:05] nothing really bad happening in a chroot here either :/ [13:16] if I add kubuntu-ninjas and do apt full-upgrade it says these want to be removed kubuntu-plasma5-desktop plasma-desktop plasma-workspace [13:17] which seems quite important [13:18] I wonder if it's something like networkmanager-qt that's confusing it [13:19] that did not happen here for some reason o.O, maybe because I just used a debootstrap chroot [13:19] I was also in chroot : / [13:19] doh [13:20] guess I need to make a vm to test in, my bad [13:21] libkf5globalaccel-data : Breaks: plasma-workspace (< 4:5.2.0-0ubuntu2~) but 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 is to be installed [13:21] chroot's usually work fine [13:21] clearly you need to add backports? [13:21] yep libkf5globalaccel5 not happy [13:21] sitter: but this is intended for SRU so no backports allowed [13:22] ah vivid [13:22] Oo [13:22] no utopic [13:22] I am confused [13:22] Riddell: SRU kf5? [13:23] sitter: yes [13:23] in that case kglobalaccel needs to get adjusted [13:29] * Riddell adjusts [13:31] oh fwiw [13:31] plasma-workspace in next-backporst and vivid might need adjustments as well [13:32] oh no, nvermind [13:32] daemon is in an own package anyway [13:33] when can we get fix for this KDEInit cant run '/usr/bin/ksysguard' [13:33] when vivid unfreezes [13:33] actually [13:33] what [13:34] soee: how do you get that? [13:34] sitter: imply start ksysguard and close it [13:34] and you will get that warning message [13:39] soee: how do you start it [13:40] ah, got it [13:40] soee: did you file a bug about that? [13:43] sitter: no i did not, som people mentioned it here already so i thought it is known to devs :) [13:43] It's odd that some claim that systemd can't be used. Seems the ps -p 1 command must be mistaken, since it outputs systemd as in use. [13:43] soee: I'd file a bug [13:44] sitter: sure [13:44] sitter: against what component ? [13:45] ksysguard [13:45] its desktop file says it registers a dbus address, except it doesn't [13:49] sitter: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344595 [13:49] KDE bug 344595 in ksysguard "Closing ksysguard ends message KDEInit can't run /usr/bin/ksysguard" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [13:50] sitter: can you confirm in bug page ? [13:50] BluesKaj: maybe you to also ? [13:52] yes, soee I can confirm that here [13:52]