[00:01] adverts: the universal indicator that it's time to use the toilet [00:03] diddledan: that or the general scent to the room ;) [00:10] that always weirds me out a bit with modern cars [00:10] I'm used to, in my mini, the dash was like a wooden shelf. and the rest was *space* [00:11] now when you get in a car it's this big plastic blob that tries to envelop you [00:11] I just don't find plastic hugs from a volvo reassuring [00:30] of course the safety record of first mini wasn't great. the stick out petrol spout caused the minis to catch fire if they rolled [00:31] in a crash [00:31] then don't do that :) [00:32] that said, my first mini did lose a rather entertaining discussion with a tree [00:36] was there ever a liklihood that it was going to win that conversation? [00:38] well, there was a large amount of luck involved. it has mismatched wheels - they weren't all the same size. so it had some fundamental instabilities when going backwards [00:38] and by modern standards i doubt it would pass a modern safety test [00:39] "modern standards" are incredibly dull [00:42] until you have the excitement of a crash in the next few seconds [02:12] press [02:12] err [02:19] is it really 2 am already?! [02:37] no. [02:38] just ordered an optical-digital audiocard thing for the pi. I can't believe people actually make this stuff [05:56] hi all === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:31] morning all [08:40] anyone got a backup of the /topic before I changed it? (I did have but lost it) :) [08:44] popey, how long ago, I've been connected for days so can scroll up [08:44] this week [08:45] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/23/%23ubuntu-uk.txt [08:46] thats when i did it [08:46] ahh, found one [08:46] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/12/02/%23ubuntu-uk.html [08:46] Topic for #ubuntu-uk is: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | IRC stats: http://tinyurl.com/uukstat | G+ Community: http://tinyurl.com/uukgplus | next meeting TBA | Beer Train! http://tinyurl.com/choochoo2015 [08:46] that'll do [08:46] :) [08:46] yay! [08:47] thanks diplo === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport |IRC stats: http://tinyurl.com/uukstat | G+ Community: http://tinyurl.com/uukgplus | next meeting TBA | Beer Train! http://tinyurl.com/choochoo2015 [09:04] what's the cheapest thing on amazon? i'm 1p short for free delivery [09:05] http://www.fillerchecker.co.uk/ [09:05] nice [09:13] i think we crashed it [09:14] yeah, slowwwww [09:15] probably exceeded the api limit [09:23] ♥ [09:51] Good morning all; happy For Pete’s Sake Day! :-D === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [10:14] morning boys and girls. [11:38] found an easter egg in google hangouts today [11:39] was it delicious? [11:39] type woohoo in hangout conversation [11:39] i had an important question about the hudl2 but i've forgotten it :( [11:40] but i was wondering if anyone had measured data usage on android between chrome and firefox? [11:40] chrome is killing my data plan [11:41] switch to opera, it compresses the data remotely. it takes getting used to but saves a tonne on data [11:42] in theory, does it work in practice? [11:43] i used it when i was in hospital for 6 weeks in 2008 and could make 50mb daily allowance last all day browsing on devices. [11:43] foobarry: or get an unlimited data plan [11:44] allegedly chrome is using compression [11:44] "282MB vs 208 MB in last month" [11:45] foobarry: just stop using the internet when you hear someone is wrong on it === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:41] JamesTait: You've met Pete Cannon right, he's bigheaded enough without celebrating a day to his sake, and I mean what's his rice wine got that others don't ;) [12:42] davmor2, he's not big headed, he's just got no hair. :-P [12:43] * JamesTait adjusts his comb-over [12:43] JamesTait: you really don't know him that well then do you ;) [12:50] davmor2: pete? That's the scarey one right? [12:51] MooDoo: http://www.cannon-linux.co.uk/ this one [12:59] yeah i know who he is :D [13:00] MooDoo: I wouldn't say scary :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:04] :) [13:30] I'm trying to think of a name for a Tesco API client, without using any trademarks. Any ideas? Does Tesco have any harmless nick names? [13:31] they used to have a slogan [13:31] every little helps [13:31] so you could call it [13:31] littlehelper [13:31] probably also trademarked [13:31] little helper is not though [13:32] oh, I see. A bit too generic [13:32] or call it tesico [13:32] hmm, maybe 'ocset' [13:32] wasn't there an ad campaign about saving pennies in some form or another 0o [13:32] i don't really know English supermarkets :> [13:33] supertes [13:41] moreati: just take the last three letter that's pretty safe right? [13:41] SCO ? [13:42] awilkins: damn did I forget the sarcasm tags again [13:42] given those who've gone before me https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=tesco, I'll take the risk [13:43] what about naming yourself Tess, then you're Tess Co. [13:43] https://github.com/encio/tesconnect heh [13:46] https://github.com/jrdnull/tesgo heh^2 [13:46] moreati: what are you pulling from the Tesco API? [13:48] intrbiz: Bunnys...no wait that's magicians and top hats [13:48] just product search/price lookup at the moment. mysupermarket.co.uk with cross-supermarket comparison is what I'd like, but they have no API [13:49] moreati: have you come across openfoodfacts? (they did a session at odcamp at the weekend) [13:50] yes, they have very few products though [13:52] sure, but open licensed [13:58] is a video camera from a couple of years ago gonna be much better than my phone? [13:58] e.g. toshiba x400, or panasonic hx dc3 [14:00] check out the recording resolutions, codecs and bitrates [14:00] the lens is probably what'd have an edge though, being not constrained by the size of a phone [14:01] mp4, hd1080 [14:03] will almost certainly be better in low light, and have optical zoom [14:03] which your phone wont === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:06] foobarry: horse for courses, camera still come with a lot of things that phones don't. Phones are great I found for a quick video of something or a nice snapshot of something you spot while out and about, but cameras still leave phones in the dust when it comes to long videos or a more professional photo tool [14:08] my missis wanted to do a few tutorials on youtubes [14:09] won't be directly revenue generating, but linked to stuff she might sell [14:09] but i'm not exaclt ymade of money so wonder if phone will suffice [14:09] in good light [14:10] also, proper cameras have a flip screen so you can see yourself [14:10] i have an old school camcorder that records to digital tape, though i reckon that must be 480p max [14:10] you dont want to record a whole video and find you chopped your head off [14:10] the cheapo hd ones do too [14:10] right [14:11] my point was that phones dont [14:11] i would record on a tripod [14:11] i see :D [14:11] you should watch techmoan [14:11] he reviews cameras [14:11] i am also a cheapskate [14:11] grumpy, so i think you'd enjoy them [14:11] https://www.youtube.com/user/techmoan [14:11] i'm less grumpy nowadays? [14:11] reviews a lot of dashcams [14:12] but he also does a lot of the cheaper go-pro like cameras [14:12] which might be what you're after [14:12] cool cheers [14:12] because they are stupid easy to use, and record to a card [14:12] and many work well in various lighting conditions [14:12] which is ulmtately what i want [14:12] check out the sj cam videos [14:12] they're the go-pro knock-offs [14:13] but you pay more for the portable/waterproofness i guess [14:13] ya [14:14] i use to like my kodak zi8 [14:14] oh, they are cheap [14:14] but they dont make those anymore and sam busted the lens so it's permanently out of focus [14:15] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SJ1000-1080P-H264-Video-Recorder-30M-Waterproof-Sport-Mini-DV-Bike-Helmet-WHITE/291306771193?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29316%26meid%3Ddfafcd33d9ca447c878cfd4a5faff6cb%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D111608096883&rt=nc [14:15] wonder if sj1000 is worse than a phone though [14:15] that URL - ze goggles, they do nussing! @_@ [14:15] jeez, look at all the mounting gear you get [14:16] for 25 quid! [14:16] i could mount it to my dog [14:16] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QppW_0_DuiE [14:16] techmoan burned his hand, or is it a scar [14:17] the only problem with them is they have fisheye lenses [14:17] thats the case for most action cams [14:17] oh, shipping £20 [14:17] wifey wont want that [14:17] good point [14:18] i used to take the zi8 to the park to video my kids [14:18] and sam really enjoyed using it too [14:18] was very quick to setup and use. [14:18] looking for reasons to get the sj1000 :P [14:19] this tightwad thing doesn't really work out well usually. [14:19] no [14:19] shame [14:19] part of it is not realyl having a compelling reason to buy it [14:19] if there was a good reason i would spend prper munneh [14:21] might have to take the kodak apart and find out why the focus is busted [14:22] techmoan has it in his car [14:22] dash kit would be handy [14:22] i have a dash cam :) [14:22] i've seen [14:22] never watch the footage [14:22] its dull :) [14:22] i did [14:22] other nice thing about zi8 [14:23] usb connector built in [14:23] so just plug the camera into pc, drag video off it [14:23] no faff [14:23] kodak you say? [14:24] ya [14:24] there was one newer model than the zi8 [14:24] looks like a phone lens [14:24] which was waterproof [14:26] the next one was kodak playsport zx5 I think [14:29] know about cisco flips? [14:29] seem some cheap === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:52] flip cameras are rubbish [14:53] get a gopro [15:58] or indeed a sj1000 :D [16:00] popey: wifey made me chocolate chip cookies \o/ [16:00] \o/ [16:00] my wifey made me do the school run [16:01] was a spade required to shoo them out the door? :D [16:01] popey: that doesn't sound like it is quite as full of chocolate goodness [16:01] No. very much so. [16:02] lots of other parents were surprised to see me [16:02] (I never do the school run) [16:03] i did that yesterday while wife went to watch cats the musical [16:03] daughter had a meltdown when mama didn't turn up to childmunder [16:04] popey: my query is always the same at this point how far do schools actually run [16:14] sometimes the system (government) actually works - I just received a new disabled person's bus pass for myself \o/ (mental health counts as a disability. who knew?!) [16:14] diddledan: you skiver! [16:14] how'd you swing that one? :P [16:14] provide a transcript of some of our late night chats in here? :) [16:15] heh, I've been a diagnosed nutjob for years :-D [16:16] since I was 17. I'm now 32 (in a few days) [16:16] cor la [16:16] \o/ binary age! [16:17] diddledan: i haz 40 on saturday [16:17] will haz [16:17] still have my own hair [16:17] and it is still brown [16:17] my hair is receding [16:17] goign south for winter? [16:17] aye [16:18] at least I don't have a hole in the middle [16:18] if i havem then nobody told me [16:37] I want a shell script that i) Accepts input pasted into it and then ii) runs it through sed normalizing it's whitespace and iii) then puts it in xclip so I can paste it to another window.... go! [16:37] * awilkins wouldn't mind some help with that :-) [16:48] hmmm, ok getting p'd off with you now, Chromium - stop randomly crashing when you're open but I'm looking elsewhere! You have been warned Chromium [16:52] tr '\n' ' ' | sed -n 's/ \+/ /gp' - | xcliip # hooray [17:08] i still have luscious long locks in a ponytail [17:08] :P [17:09] I've got long locks too :-p [17:09] just not so much at the front :-D [17:10] d'aww [17:11] diddledan, reverse your mirror - you'll never need to care about male pattern balding again ;) [17:16] hey guys, [17:17] i'm trying to debug a flood of apparmor messages that appeared just now on a server [17:17] anyone know how to read apparmor messages? [17:17] throw it in a pastebin [17:17] not sure it's going to break anything other that waste loads of log file space. [17:17] http://dpaste.com/3E2FT2X [17:18] and sensu(which i didn't setup) is giving out crap about the messages . [17:19] i pushed out some config changes (using saltstack) to the machine, but i'm wondering if people hadn't run a highstate on it for ages [17:20] never had reason to wonder about apparmor before. [17:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10433064/ ... real life tale we can all learn from [17:53] SuperEngineer, ouch [17:55] yup [18:05] SuperEngineer: well that sounded like fun :( === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:11] SuperEngineer: ouch [18:12] MooDoo: like you do really work, you play on your home servers all day and just pretend you can't blag us ;) [18:13] s/really/real [18:14] lol thanks davmor2 [18:15] MooDoo: thought you'd like that :) [18:15] davmor2: you sir are a git ;) [18:15] now leave me to my nic bonding [18:16] MooDoo: I am no I use bzr :P [18:16] s/no/not [18:16] I'm ssh'd to the garage :) it's warmer in the kitchen [18:21] MooDoo: see I said you just work on your own servers all day ;) [18:22] davmor2: shush you, it's a perk [18:23] MooDoo: hahahaha [18:28] hah [18:31] MooDoo: you obviously need to put your servers under more stress to warm the garage up more ;) [18:35] davmor2: I have 3 servers, 1 desktop and a NS [18:35] NAS [18:36] MooDoo: yes so stress test them all and the garage will be the warmest place in the building ;) [18:36] lol [18:40] \o/ RAT tickets arrived [18:40] yay [18:41] \o/ [18:42] mine are still on the wall [18:46] RAT tickets? [18:46] !rat [18:46] rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 19th September 2015 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/3040-real-ale-train-2015/ [18:47] it's a popular uk event :D [18:47] although /me is waiting for ubuntu uk podcast live [18:47] BEEEER [18:47] yeah, bunch of us are going [18:47] Proper beer [18:47] beer and games [18:47] and silly chatter [18:47] Board games? [18:47] and steam trains! [18:47] card games [18:48] Traditional or collectible? [18:48] cards against humanity, we didn't playtest this at all, and this time, Exploding Kittens [18:48] Ah [18:48] What's teh ticket situation like [18:49] i bought mine a week or so ago [18:49] dunno if there's any left [18:49] looks like they still have some [18:50] they sold out quite quickly last year iirc [18:50] we announced later too [18:51] May try to enlist the GF [18:53] they have ladybeer [18:53] lol [18:53] they also have curry and chilli [19:52] america's fcc succumbed and have enacted strong net neutrality goodness [19:53] oh, it still needs to go through congress :-( [19:56] the campaign site has more: https://www.battleforthenet.com [20:06] MooDoo: I think popey knows about the ladybeer because it is what he drink just in a manly glass ;) [20:07] drinking some right now :) [20:26] does anyone know much about debian packaging maintainer scripts interacting with config from other packages? [20:29] is it possible to do reliably without having a conf dir instead of a conf file? [20:30] ging, I wouldn't like a package to fiddle with a file installed by a different package [20:31] what you're describing is pretty much why conf-dirs exist. that's probably a clue [20:32] shauno: yes, but i wonder how people tackle the problem without them [20:32] they don't [20:32] or at least they shouldn't [20:33] it's bad behaviour [20:33] that just reminds me of the bad old days when we had to compile config files (yes, looking at you sendmail) [20:34] eww [20:34] but it's not an answer, just a proverbial 2cents [20:34] sendmail was evil [20:34] m4?! wtf! [20:34] m4 was never intended for human consumption [20:34] ever [20:35] I think exim is another one that does programmatic config files [20:36] .. just without the precompile step [20:39] iirc debian still have a list for deb/dpkg. but if you do go that way, I'd make very clear to them whether or not you intend for this to land in a distro, etc [20:40] otherwise they're quite likely to maul you with best practices instead [21:19] anyone know how to get to a reovery console on ubuntu 14.04 when you have encrypted harddrives? [21:21] surely it's the same as when you don't? [21:21] yeah it is [21:21] i thought it would be a lot harder [22:05] ging, unless you have the password or recovery key, you're kinda out of luck. [22:41] m0nkey_: i had the key, it was fine, i just expected it to make me manually do something to decrypt, but it starts that for you anyway, just with a less fancy input box [23:16] grmpf work time [23:28] mapp, is grmpf short for "grum pfuttock"? [23:28] (that's a phrase my daddy likes) [23:29] https://www.dropbox.com/s/mswx0dfqn4kj7ho/IMG_20150226_190501.jpg?dl=0 [23:29] Portal 2 on my HTPC, using Steam streaming from my desktop upstairs :o [23:29] your steam stream is streaming steam? [23:29] now stream it on twitch [23:30] :P [23:30] steam encodes it and throws it over the LAN, then directs input from the endpoint back to the host too [23:30] they need to make that work on phones [23:31] and tablets [23:31] this would be an absolute killer feature [23:31] Microsoft are with the xbox one :> [23:31] yeah but microsoft sux and xbox sux [23:31] and presumably it only works on microsoft phones that nobody uses or cares about except directhex :P [23:31] ex bone [23:32] nice 12 year old comments there [23:32] no it's gonna be android and iOS [23:32] that's slightly better then [23:32] but i'm still not going to buy an xbox for that when i already have a PC [23:33] mmhmm [23:34] i'd want to throw a good £150+ at a newer graphics card if i really cared about PC gaming, which i don't [23:34] my ol' core 2 quad is getting a bit ancient now though [23:35] 7 years old now [23:35] but has a GTX 560 Ti