[00:01] <diddledan> adverts: the universal indicator that it's time to use the toilet
[00:03] <daftykins> diddledan: that or the general scent to the room ;)
[00:10] <shauno> that always weirds me out a bit with modern cars
[00:10] <shauno> I'm used to, in my mini, the dash was like a wooden shelf.  and the rest was *space*
[00:11] <shauno> now when you get in a car it's this big plastic blob that tries to envelop you
[00:11] <shauno> I just don't find plastic hugs from a volvo reassuring
[00:30] <zmoylan-pi> of course the safety record of first mini wasn't great.  the stick out petrol spout caused the minis to catch fire if they rolled
[00:31] <zmoylan-pi> in a crash
[00:31] <shauno> then don't do that :)
[00:32] <shauno> that said, my first mini did lose a rather entertaining discussion with a tree
[00:36] <diddledan> was there ever a liklihood that it was going to win that conversation?
[00:38] <shauno> well, there was a large amount of luck involved.  it has mismatched wheels - they weren't all the same size.  so it had some fundamental instabilities when going backwards
[00:38] <zmoylan-pi> and by modern standards i doubt it would pass a modern safety test
[00:39] <shauno> "modern standards" are incredibly dull
[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> until you have the excitement of a crash in the next few seconds
[02:12] <diddledan> press
[02:12] <diddledan> err
[02:19] <diddledan> is it really 2 am already?!
[02:37] <shauno> no.
[02:38] <shauno> just ordered an optical-digital audiocard thing for the pi.  I can't believe people actually make this stuff
[05:56] <mapp> hi all
[08:31] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:40] <popey> anyone got a backup of the /topic before I changed it? (I did have but lost it) :)
[08:44] <diplo> popey, how long ago, I've been connected for days so can scroll up
[08:44] <popey> this week
[08:45] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/23/%23ubuntu-uk.txt
[08:46] <popey> thats when i did it
[08:46] <popey> ahh, found one
[08:46] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/12/02/%23ubuntu-uk.html
[08:46] <diplo> Topic for #ubuntu-uk is: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | IRC stats: http://tinyurl.com/uukstat | G+ Community: http://tinyurl.com/uukgplus | next meeting TBA | Beer Train! http://tinyurl.com/choochoo2015
[08:46] <popey> that'll do
[08:46] <diplo> :)
[08:46] <popey> yay!
[08:47] <popey> thanks diplo
[09:04] <ali1234> what's the cheapest thing on amazon? i'm 1p short for free delivery
[09:05] <popey> http://www.fillerchecker.co.uk/
[09:05] <ali1234> nice
[09:13] <ali1234> i think we crashed it
[09:14] <popey> yeah, slowwwww
[09:15] <ali1234> probably exceeded the api limit
[09:23] <Myrtti> ♥
[09:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy For Pete’s Sake Day! :-D
[10:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:38] <foobarry> found an easter egg in google hangouts today
[11:39] <popey> was it delicious?
[11:39] <foobarry> type woohoo in hangout conversation
[11:39] <foobarry> i had an important question about the hudl2 but i've forgotten it :(
[11:40] <foobarry> but i was wondering if anyone had measured data usage on android between chrome and firefox?
[11:40] <foobarry> chrome is killing my data plan
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> switch to opera, it compresses the data remotely.  it takes getting used to but saves a tonne on data
[11:42] <foobarry> in theory, does it work in practice?
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> i used it when i was in hospital for 6 weeks in 2008 and could make 50mb daily allowance last all day browsing on devices.
[11:43] <davmor2> foobarry: or get an unlimited data plan
[11:44] <foobarry> allegedly chrome is using compression
[11:44] <foobarry> "282MB vs 208 MB in last month"
[11:45] <davmor2> foobarry: just stop using the internet when you hear someone is wrong on it
[12:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: You've met Pete Cannon right, he's bigheaded enough without celebrating a day to his sake, and I mean what's his rice wine got that others don't ;)
[12:42] <JamesTait> davmor2, he's not big headed, he's just got no hair. :-P
[12:43]  * JamesTait adjusts his comb-over
[12:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: you really don't know him that well then do you ;)
[12:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: pete?  That's the scarey one right?
[12:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: http://www.cannon-linux.co.uk/ this one
[12:59] <MooDoo> yeah i know who he is :D
[13:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: I wouldn't say scary :)
[13:04] <MooDoo> :)
[13:30] <moreati> I'm trying to think of a name for a Tesco API client, without using any trademarks. Any ideas? Does Tesco have any harmless nick names?
[13:31] <foobarry> they used to have a slogan
[13:31] <foobarry> every little helps
[13:31] <foobarry> so you could call it
[13:31] <foobarry> littlehelper
[13:31] <moreati> probably also trademarked
[13:31] <foobarry> little helper is not though
[13:32] <moreati> oh, I see. A bit too generic
[13:32] <foobarry> or call it tesico
[13:32] <moreati> hmm, maybe 'ocset'
[13:32] <daftykins> wasn't there an ad campaign about saving pennies in some form or another 0o
[13:32] <daftykins> i don't really know English supermarkets :>
[13:33] <foobarry> supertes
[13:41] <davmor2> moreati: just take the last three letter that's pretty safe right?
[13:41] <awilkins> SCO ?
[13:42] <davmor2> awilkins: damn did I forget the sarcasm tags again
[13:42] <moreati> given those who've gone before me https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=tesco, I'll take the risk
[13:43] <daftykins> what about naming yourself Tess, then you're Tess Co.
[13:43] <moreati> https://github.com/encio/tesconnect heh
[13:46] <moreati> https://github.com/jrdnull/tesgo heh^2
[13:46] <intrbiz> moreati: what are you pulling from the Tesco API?
[13:48] <davmor2> intrbiz: Bunnys...no wait that's magicians and top hats
[13:48] <moreati> just product search/price lookup at the moment. mysupermarket.co.uk with cross-supermarket comparison is what I'd like, but they have no API
[13:49] <intrbiz> moreati: have you come across openfoodfacts? (they did a session at odcamp at the weekend)
[13:50] <moreati> yes, they have very few products though
[13:52] <intrbiz> sure, but open licensed
[13:58] <foobarry> is a video camera from a couple of years ago gonna be much better than my phone?
[13:58] <foobarry> e.g. toshiba x400, or panasonic hx dc3
[14:00] <daftykins> check out the recording resolutions, codecs and bitrates
[14:00] <daftykins> the lens is probably what'd have an edge though, being not constrained by the size of a phone
[14:01] <foobarry> mp4, hd1080
[14:03] <popey> will almost certainly be better in low light, and have optical zoom
[14:03] <popey> which your phone wont
[14:06] <davmor2> foobarry: horse for courses, camera still come with a lot of things that phones don't.  Phones are great I found for a quick video of something or a nice snapshot of something you spot while out and about, but cameras still leave phones in the dust when it comes to long videos or a more professional photo tool
[14:08] <foobarry> my missis wanted to do a few tutorials on youtubes
[14:09] <foobarry> won't be directly revenue generating, but linked to stuff she might sell
[14:09] <foobarry> but i'm not exaclt ymade of money so wonder if phone will suffice
[14:09] <foobarry> in good light
[14:10] <popey> also, proper cameras have a flip screen so you can see yourself
[14:10] <foobarry> i have an old school camcorder that records to digital tape, though i reckon that must be 480p max
[14:10] <popey> you dont want to record a whole video and find you chopped your head off
[14:10] <foobarry> the cheapo hd ones do too
[14:10] <popey> right
[14:11] <popey> my point was that phones dont
[14:11] <foobarry> i would record on a tripod
[14:11] <foobarry> i see :D
[14:11] <popey> you should watch techmoan
[14:11] <popey> he reviews cameras
[14:11] <foobarry> i am also a cheapskate
[14:11] <popey> grumpy, so i think you'd enjoy them
[14:11] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/user/techmoan
[14:11] <foobarry> i'm less grumpy nowadays?
[14:11] <popey> reviews a lot of dashcams
[14:12] <popey> but he also does a lot of the cheaper go-pro like cameras
[14:12] <popey> which might be what you're after
[14:12] <foobarry> cool cheers
[14:12] <popey> because they are stupid easy to use, and record to a card
[14:12] <popey> and many work well in various lighting conditions
[14:12] <foobarry> which is ulmtately what i want
[14:12] <popey> check out the sj cam videos
[14:12] <popey> they're the go-pro knock-offs
[14:13] <foobarry> but you pay more for the portable/waterproofness i guess
[14:13] <popey> ya
[14:14] <popey> i use to like my kodak zi8
[14:14] <foobarry> oh, they are cheap
[14:14] <popey> but they dont make those anymore and sam busted the lens so it's permanently out of focus
[14:15] <foobarry> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SJ1000-1080P-H264-Video-Recorder-30M-Waterproof-Sport-Mini-DV-Bike-Helmet-WHITE/291306771193?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29316%26meid%3Ddfafcd33d9ca447c878cfd4a5faff6cb%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D111608096883&rt=nc
[14:15] <foobarry> wonder if sj1000 is worse than a phone though
[14:15] <daftykins> that URL - ze goggles, they do nussing! @_@
[14:15] <popey> jeez, look at all the mounting gear you get
[14:16] <popey> for 25 quid!
[14:16] <foobarry> i could mount it to my dog
[14:16] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QppW_0_DuiE
[14:16] <foobarry> techmoan burned his hand, or is it a scar
[14:17] <popey> the only problem with them is they have fisheye lenses
[14:17] <popey> thats the case for most action cams
[14:17] <foobarry> oh, shipping £20
[14:17] <popey> wifey wont want that
[14:17] <foobarry> good point
[14:18] <popey> i used to take the zi8 to the park to video my kids
[14:18] <popey> and sam really enjoyed using it too
[14:18] <popey> was very quick to setup and use.
[14:18] <foobarry> looking for reasons to get the sj1000 :P
[14:19] <popey> this tightwad thing doesn't really work out well usually.
[14:19] <foobarry> no
[14:19] <foobarry> shame
[14:19] <foobarry> part of it is not realyl having a compelling reason to buy it
[14:19] <foobarry> if there was a good reason i would spend prper munneh
[14:21] <popey> might have to take the kodak apart and find out why the focus is busted
[14:22] <foobarry> techmoan has it in his car
[14:22] <foobarry> dash kit would be handy
[14:22] <popey> i have a dash cam :)
[14:22] <foobarry> i've seen
[14:22] <popey> never watch the footage
[14:22] <popey> its dull :)
[14:22] <foobarry> i did
[14:22] <popey> other nice thing about zi8
[14:23] <popey> usb connector built in
[14:23] <popey> so just plug the camera into pc, drag video off it
[14:23] <popey> no faff
[14:23] <foobarry> kodak you say?
[14:24] <popey> ya
[14:24] <popey> there was one newer model than the zi8
[14:24] <foobarry> looks like a phone lens
[14:24] <popey> which was waterproof
[14:26] <popey> the next one was kodak playsport zx5 I think
[14:29] <foobarry> know about cisco flips?
[14:29] <foobarry> seem some cheap
[14:52] <ali1234> flip cameras are rubbish
[14:53] <ali1234> get a gopro
[15:58] <foobarry> or indeed a sj1000 :D
[16:00] <davmor2> popey: wifey made me chocolate chip cookies \o/
[16:00] <popey> \o/
[16:00] <popey> my wifey made me do the school run
[16:01] <daftykins> was a spade required to shoo them out the door? :D
[16:01] <davmor2> popey: that doesn't sound like it is quite as full of chocolate goodness
[16:01] <popey> No. very much so.
[16:02] <popey> lots of other parents were surprised to see me
[16:02] <popey> (I never do the school run)
[16:03] <foobarry> i did that yesterday while wife went to watch cats the musical
[16:03] <foobarry> daughter had a meltdown when mama didn't turn up to childmunder
[16:04] <davmor2> popey: my query is always the  same at this point how far do schools actually run
[16:14] <diddledan> sometimes the system (government) actually works - I just received a new disabled person's bus pass for myself \o/ (mental health counts as a disability. who knew?!)
[16:14] <daftykins> diddledan: you skiver!
[16:14] <daftykins> how'd you swing that one? :P
[16:14] <daftykins> provide a transcript of some of our late night chats in here? :)
[16:15] <diddledan> heh, I've been a diagnosed nutjob for years :-D
[16:16] <diddledan> since I was 17. I'm now 32 (in a few days)
[16:16] <daftykins> cor la
[16:16] <diddledan> \o/ binary age!
[16:17] <foobarry> diddledan: i haz 40 on saturday
[16:17] <foobarry> will haz
[16:17] <foobarry> still have my own hair
[16:17] <foobarry> and it is still brown
[16:17] <diddledan> my hair is receding
[16:17] <foobarry> goign south for winter?
[16:17] <diddledan> aye
[16:18] <diddledan> at least I don't have a hole in the middle
[16:18] <foobarry> if i havem then nobody told me
[16:37] <awilkins> I want a shell script that   i) Accepts input pasted into it and then ii) runs it through sed normalizing it's whitespace and iii) then puts it in xclip so I can paste it to another window.... go!
[16:37]  * awilkins wouldn't mind some help with that :-)
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> hmmm, ok getting p'd off with you now, Chromium - stop randomly crashing when you're open but I'm looking elsewhere! You have been warned Chromium
[16:52] <awilkins> tr '\n' ' ' | sed -n 's/ \+/ /gp' - | xcliip # hooray
[17:08] <daftykins> i still have luscious long locks in a ponytail
[17:08] <daftykins> :P
[17:09] <diddledan> I've got long locks too :-p
[17:09] <diddledan> just not so much at the front :-D
[17:10] <daftykins> d'aww
[17:11] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, reverse your mirror - you'll never need to care about male pattern balding again ;)
[17:16] <NET||abuse> hey guys,
[17:17] <NET||abuse> i'm trying to debug a flood of apparmor messages that appeared just  now on a server
[17:17] <NET||abuse> anyone know how to read apparmor messages?
[17:17] <daftykins> throw it in a pastebin
[17:17] <NET||abuse> not sure it's going to break anything other that waste loads of log file space.
[17:17] <NET||abuse> http://dpaste.com/3E2FT2X
[17:18] <NET||abuse> and sensu(which i didn't setup) is giving out crap about the messages .
[17:19] <NET||abuse> i pushed out some config changes (using saltstack) to the machine, but i'm wondering if people hadn't run a highstate on it for ages
[17:20] <NET||abuse> never had reason to wonder about apparmor before.
[17:49] <SuperEngineer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10433064/  ... real life tale we can all learn from
[17:53] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, ouch
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> yup
[18:05] <MooDoo> SuperEngineer: well that sounded like fun :(
[18:11] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: ouch
[18:12] <davmor2> MooDoo: like you do really work, you play on your home servers all day and just pretend you can't blag us ;)
[18:13] <davmor2> s/really/real
[18:14] <MooDoo> lol thanks davmor2
[18:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: thought you'd like that :)
[18:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: you sir are a git ;)
[18:15] <MooDoo> now leave me to my nic bonding
[18:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: I am no I use bzr :P
[18:16] <davmor2> s/no/not
[18:16] <MooDoo> I'm ssh'd to the garage :) it's warmer in the kitchen
[18:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: see I said you just work on your own servers all day ;)
[18:22] <MooDoo> davmor2: shush you, it's a perk
[18:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahahaha
[18:28] <daftykins> hah
[18:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: you obviously need to put your servers under more stress to warm the garage up more ;)
[18:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: I have 3 servers, 1 desktop and a NS
[18:35] <MooDoo> NAS
[18:36] <davmor2> MooDoo: yes so stress test them all and the garage will be the warmest place in the building ;)
[18:36] <MooDoo> lol
[18:40] <dutchie> \o/ RAT tickets arrived
[18:40] <MooDoo> yay
[18:41] <popey> \o/
[18:42] <popey> mine are still on the wall
[18:46] <ChloeWolfieGirl> RAT tickets?
[18:46] <popey> !rat
[18:47] <MooDoo> it's a popular uk event :D
[18:47] <MooDoo> although /me is waiting for ubuntu uk podcast live
[18:47] <awilkins_> BEEEER
[18:47] <popey> yeah, bunch of us are going
[18:47] <awilkins_> Proper beer
[18:47] <popey> beer and games
[18:47] <popey> and silly chatter
[18:47] <awilkins_> Board games?
[18:47] <popey> and steam trains!
[18:47] <popey> card games
[18:48] <awilkins_> Traditional or collectible?
[18:48] <popey> cards against humanity, we didn't playtest this at all, and this time, Exploding Kittens
[18:48] <awilkins_> Ah
[18:48] <awilkins_> What's teh ticket situation like
[18:49] <popey> i bought mine a week or so ago
[18:49] <popey> dunno if there's any left
[18:49] <popey> looks like they still have some
[18:50] <MooDoo> they sold out quite quickly last year iirc
[18:50] <popey> we announced later too
[18:51] <awilkins_> May try to enlist the GF
[18:53] <popey> they have ladybeer
[18:53] <MooDoo> lol
[18:53] <popey> they also have curry and chilli
[19:52] <diddledan> america's fcc succumbed and have enacted strong net neutrality goodness
[19:53] <diddledan> oh, it still needs to go through congress :-(
[19:56] <diddledan> the campaign site has more: https://www.battleforthenet.com
[20:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: I think popey knows about the ladybeer because it is what he drink just in a manly glass ;)
[20:07] <popey> drinking some right now :)
[20:26] <ging> does anyone know much about debian packaging maintainer scripts interacting with config from other packages?
[20:29] <ging> is it possible to do reliably without having a conf dir instead of a conf file?
[20:30] <diddledan> ging, I wouldn't like a package to fiddle with a file installed by a different package
[20:31] <shauno> what you're describing is pretty much why conf-dirs exist.  that's probably a clue
[20:32] <ging> shauno: yes, but i wonder how people tackle the problem without them
[20:32] <diddledan> they don't
[20:32] <diddledan> or at least they shouldn't
[20:33] <diddledan> it's bad behaviour
[20:33] <shauno> that just reminds me of the bad old days when we had to compile config files  (yes, looking at you sendmail)
[20:34] <diddledan> eww
[20:34] <shauno> but it's not an answer, just a proverbial 2cents
[20:34] <diddledan> sendmail was evil
[20:34] <diddledan> m4?! wtf!
[20:34] <diddledan> m4 was never intended for human consumption
[20:34] <diddledan> ever
[20:35] <diddledan> I think exim is another one that does programmatic config files
[20:36] <diddledan> .. just without the precompile step
[20:39] <shauno> iirc debian still have a list for deb/dpkg.  but if you do go that way, I'd make very clear to them whether or not you intend for this to land in a distro, etc
[20:40] <shauno> otherwise they're quite likely to maul you with best practices instead
[21:19] <ging> anyone know how to get to a reovery console on ubuntu 14.04 when you have encrypted harddrives?
[21:21] <diddledan> surely it's the same as when you don't?
[21:21] <ging> yeah it is
[21:21] <ging> i thought it would be a lot harder
[22:05] <m0nkey_> ging, unless you have the password or recovery key, you're kinda out of luck.
[22:41] <ging> m0nkey_: i had the key, it was fine, i just expected it to make me manually do something to decrypt, but it starts that for you anyway, just with a less fancy input box
[23:16] <mapp> grmpf work time
[23:28] <diddledan> mapp, is grmpf short for "grum pfuttock"?
[23:28] <diddledan> (that's a phrase my daddy likes)
[23:29] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mswx0dfqn4kj7ho/IMG_20150226_190501.jpg?dl=0
[23:29] <daftykins> Portal 2 on my HTPC, using Steam streaming from my desktop upstairs :o
[23:29] <diddledan> your steam stream is streaming steam?
[23:29] <ali1234> now stream it on twitch
[23:30] <daftykins> :P
[23:30] <daftykins> steam encodes it and throws it over the LAN, then directs input from the endpoint back to the host too
[23:30] <ali1234> they need to make that work on phones
[23:31] <ali1234> and tablets
[23:31] <ali1234> this would be an absolute killer feature
[23:31] <daftykins> Microsoft are with the xbox one :>
[23:31] <ali1234> yeah but microsoft sux and xbox sux
[23:31] <ali1234> and presumably it only works on microsoft phones that nobody uses or cares about except directhex :P
[23:31] <diddledan> ex bone
[23:32] <daftykins> nice 12 year old comments there
[23:32] <daftykins> no it's gonna be android and iOS
[23:32] <ali1234> that's slightly better then
[23:32] <ali1234> but i'm still not going to buy an xbox for that when i already have a PC
[23:33] <daftykins> mmhmm
[23:34] <daftykins> i'd want to throw a good £150+ at a newer graphics card if i really cared about PC gaming, which i don't
[23:34] <daftykins> my ol' core 2 quad is getting a bit ancient now though
[23:35] <daftykins> 7 years old now
[23:35] <daftykins> but has a GTX 560 Ti